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349 comments

This is good. (5, Funny)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844120)

I just pooped myself a little. It is awkward at work.

First post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844126)

Avenge me, Joss!

death penalty (-1, Offtopic)

Geoffrey.landis (926948) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844486)

I've long been an advocate of the death penalty for Hollywood directors and producers who remake movies or television shows from the 1960s and '70s.

I know it's tough, and may seem a little unfair sometimes, but it's really all for the good.

Sorry, Joss, it's been nice to have you, but no exceptions. We'll remember you for the good stuff you did.

Re:death penalty (0)

Geoffrey.landis (926948) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844562)

OOps, should have read the article, and not just posted before reading. This is Avengers, the Marvel Comic series, not The Avengers, the 1961-1969 British TV series.

Never mind. Joss, you're pardoned.

Re:death penalty (3, Insightful)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844714)

Never mind. Joss, you're pardoned.

Actually, I think Joss would have been an ideal candidate for remaking the UK Avengers. Summer Glau for the female sidekick? (More of a Purdy than a Mrs Peel, I think, but she can do a good bad English accent and beat people up, so what's not to like).

Could have been more fun than more fricking Marvel superheroes. Ho hum, I wonder if they'll deconstruct the superhero mythos (again).

Re:death penalty (4, Informative)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844564)

This is Marvel's Avengers not the UK Avengers.

The [real] Avengers had... (5, Informative)

Peter Simpson (112887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844132)

...Mrs Peel. 'nuf said.

Re:The [real] Avengers had... (4, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844222)

I like to think of Buffy as the love child of Emma Peel and Thor, so you see how it all ties together.

Re:The [real] Avengers had... (3, Funny)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844700)

I prefer to think of Buffy as the love child of Emma Peel and Charisma Carpenter. Over and over again I think of this.

Re:The [real] Avengers had... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844390)

How fitting, the last Avengers movie could be used to peel of the paint from the walls...

Re:The [real] Avengers had... (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844554)

I was also deeply disappointed after reading the first lines of TFA... plus there is a movie of The Avengers already, and it's pretty good even.

Cameos (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844136)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that Buffy or Firefly cameos would be horrible.

Re:Cameos (4, Funny)

bFusion (1433853) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844172)

DOCTOR horrible?

Re:Cameos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844310)

ACTOR horrible?

Re:Cameos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844254)

I had to google cameos but hoped it ment "horrible acting and sucky ininspired plots". I really never could get into Buffy and don't consider it geeky, maybe for "vampire geeks", or whatever.

Now Tron, my geeknipples get hard and tense because I fear it'll shatter my geeknostalgia but might give me a simular geekgasm.

Re:Cameos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844424)

If you had to google "cameos", you can't be all that bright.

Re:Cameos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844766)

If you had to google "cameos", you can't be all that bright.

Or 4.75-langual.

In Defense of Buffy Geekdom (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844594)

I used to feel the same way, and with newer things like Twilight around the entire "vampire" theme has a pretty negative image now. But Joss Whedon makes it all okay.

My Whedon experience started with Firefly, which was spectacular. I got into it because it was space cowboys, and I can't actually think of a cooler genre. Note here that Cowboy Bebop was my introduction to Anime.

Then I was tricked into watching Dr Horrible. That was good stuff. Really good. So I decided to give Buffy a chance.

And it wasn't great. It was hackneyed and corny and then my wife said: so is Star Trek. My wife rags on Star Trek and Star Wars all the time, and I say bad things about Buffy and Angel? This is a double standard we're playing on each other. So I got over it.

The writing is wonderful. The way they play with language, the way they play with humanity and inhumanity. This is what made Kirk better than Picard. The stories are mediocre, and the special effects are... well, on par with TOS. And it's really, really good stuff.

So, don't discount Whedon, and don't discount Buffy, just because you have preconceptions about what the medium should be. Seriously, let the work stand on its own merit.

Am I expecting a great classic film out of this? Well, no. I'm expecting something on par with a better Alan Moore adaptation: an enjoyable movie, but probably completely missing the point. And let's be honest, we're not starting with Alan Moore level base material here.

Now I only need to convince my wife to give Star Trek a chance...

Re:Cameos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844622)

"vampire geeks", aka fat chicks.

maybe nerds pretended to like that show just to get into some pair of size XXXL pants.

Doubt it will ever get made (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844146)

I personally don't think this movie will ever get made. The first clue that this is not a serious project is the fact that the studio is talking about Robert Downey, Jr. playing Iron Man. There is no way that a) Downey is going to agree to doing an ensemble picture as a bit player after headlining 2+ Iron Man movies, or b) That the studio is going to spring for the big money it would take to hire him, just for an ensemble role in a risky new franchise.

As far as Whedon goes, he's one of these guys that studios often bring in to write/rewrite scripts just to test the waters on early projects. His name generates some buzz, and the studio may or may not get an interesting script out of him. He also works cheap (an important consideration these days in an era of "tentpole" movies with exploding FX budgets, and multitudes of comic book franchises in the works). Though geeks think of him as an A-lister, Hollywood doesn't. If you look at the guy's financial track record, you'll see he's very small-time by Hollywood standards and has had WAY more failures than successes. At the risk of committing geek blashemy, I personally he's overrated, though he did do excellent work with the characters and dialogue in "Alien Resurrection" and "Firefly" (essentially the same set of characters, but well played with depth and wit on both counts).

I suspect the studio is just looking for a little PR. The "Robert Downey is going to play Iron Man in the Avengers" thing is probably just to get some PR for "Iron Man 2." They know that's not going to happen. Hiring Joss Whedon may be a good way to get some geek buzz, but it doesn't indicate in any way that the studio is serious about actually making this movie. Until the real money starts to flow (i.e. when they actually start filming with the A-list talent), it's just another "Superman Lives"/"Green Lantern"/"Captain America" project that could spend decades in limbo and go through many directors/writers before it actually amounts to anything (if ever).

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844184)

I personally YOU are overrated!

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844224)

No, I'm unrated, with bonus footage not seen in the theatrical release.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (3, Interesting)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844188)

I've always had similar opinions of Whedon - how often has he had series (Firefly, Dollhouse) that should have gone straight to SciFi for 3-5-7 seasons and instead floundered on networks for 1-2? He's had his run with Buffy/Angel to be sure, but needs to make sure of his venues better.

That being said, I applaud this pick. Whedon tends to actually care about Geek-genre characters.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844296)

He paced Dollhouse too slow in the beginning, but if you think he did anything wrong with Firefly, you just weren't paying attention. That was FOX's mistake in handling it badly.

So to answer your question: once. He had one show that should have gone straight to SciFi. Another that was handled badly by FOX, and two that were quite successful. Not bad in my book.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844436)

The Dollhouse pilot actually covered most of the events in Season 1. Fox rejected that in favor of the inane "imprint of the week" formula.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (2, Insightful)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844616)

Buffy started off with a "monster of the week" formula as well, the first season at least, I don't remember exactly how long they kept that up but many many episodes had a "monster of the week". Similar concept. Worked out very well for that show.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (4, Insightful)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844752)

It was generally monster of the week with 5 minutes each episode dedicated to monster of the season. Monster of the season got 2 to 4 dedicated episodes, usually one at the beginning, two at the end and one in the middle where it demonstrates that Buffy is to weak to defeat him/her/it. But with the power of (heart/friendship/hot lesbian witches) they defeat the big bad after all.

Even so, it was entertaining.

A punne, or a play on words... (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844646)

So that's why that show is so retarded...

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (3, Insightful)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844522)

I disagree. I do not blame Fox for the early demise of Firefly. I blame Joss or whoever decided to pitch it to one of the big networks. The show would have failed on ABC, NBC, FOX, etc. While the geek crowd rants and raves about it, it lacked the ability to interest the population at large for any length of time. Had Firefly started on a pay-to-view channel or Sci-Fi it would have ran much longer.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (4, Interesting)

Chardish (529780) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844610)

And killing off Arrested Development, Futurama, and back-when-it-was-funny-Family-Guy aren't further proofs of Fox's incompetence as a network? Cancelling Firefly may be their biggest sin, but it's far from their only one.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (5, Insightful)

tweak13 (1171627) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844694)

I have introduced many people to firefly over the years, and everyone I've shown it to has liked it.

Every. Single. One.

Hell, even my parents liked it so much that they showed it to their friends, many of whom went on to buy the DVDs. If that show has appeal from college students to boomers, I'd say it would have been pretty damn successful had anybody actually been able to watch it when it was on FOX.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844774)

Thank you for your anecdotal evidence.

However a LOT of shows perform much better in DVD sales than they do while aired and that's simply a fact of the method by which you watch it. Some shows just do better when you can watch multiple episodes at once rather than waiting a week between. Firefly is no exception to this.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1)

Creepy (93888) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844702)

Well I don't think it helped that Fox airs all of his shows on Friday night, which is generally considered the "death" night for shows. The only reason I saw Dollhouse at all was because of a DVR, and that show was underwhelming - a nice idea, but poorly named (IMO, "dollhouse" is a turn off for boys) and executed. I didn't see Firefly in its initial run (caught it on scifi later) or Buffy at all due to the Friday time slot.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844308)

Im not sure that is a good example.

SciFi these days tends to have better series than Fox.

Still I think Whedon is a bit over rated and I worry about what he might do with Avengers. His dialog is often good but his plots are all over the place. I'm not sure what he will be like if he is just directing.

Whatever, I'm going to end up seeing the movie anyway.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1)

someone1234 (830754) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844418)

I don't think he is responsible for Firefly's failure. Whoever killed Firefly, should rot in hell or an equivalent place.
Dollhouse isn't that great, i don't mourn it.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844556)

I don't think he is responsible for Firefly's failure. Whoever killed Firefly, should rot in hell or an equivalent place. Dollhouse isn't that great, i don't mourn it.

Dollhouse would have been better had it not been done with Fox. Those fuckers know how to kill a show.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844824)

It should have been on FX (cable) where they could have done more risque story lines rather than being held to the standard of broadcast television.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844782)

Actually, I think that Dollhouse *was* great (outside of the first 3 episodes), mostly because it was only two seasons long; short, sharp, to the point, wrapped everything up and didn't drag on past its time.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844318)

Robert Downey Jr. is working a franchise; that means he will most likely agree to do the movie since he is an established character. He did a cameo in The Incredible Hulk, helping to set up the Avenger initiative storyline. Besides; you don't know what his Iron Man contract has him obligated into.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (2, Interesting)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844800)

> Besides; you don't know what his Iron Man contract has him obligated into.

Didn't the LotR people sign up for all 3 movies? Same for Matrix 2 & 3, or Empire and RotJ, IIRC.

More difficult would be DC's Justice League, with Batman and Superman as big, independent stars. Ok, the Superman guy would probably sign on in a heartbeat, let's be honest.

For this, more difficult than Iron Man would be producing a Thor that wasn't completely idiotic. He'd have to be a real person, and even some 7' football lineman won't measure up much to the CGI Hulk. And that's the greatly reduced Hulk from Hulk 2.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (3, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844362)

Bingo. Hollywood Chatterati like to think they've got the inside scoop, but the real decisions are made by a cabal of dead-eyed accountants and lawyers who regard comic books, movies, and their own consumers [*] with - at best - a detached contempt.

They don't get excited, or swayed by passion, they just decide how much money they're going to make from the rubes, and add up the 'value' of their 'talent' until it meets the required number.

Whedon's last movie was 5 years ago, and bombed [imdb.com] . His TV work since then has been small beer. Nobody wants to make a movie that 'only' grosses twenty five or even fifty million; I don't see this panning out any time soon.

[*] Plus their 'creative partners', from which I draw my knowledge of their charming ways.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844496)

Actually, I'm sure that it will get made....and with a few A and B+ listers just like the X-Men. Robert D. and Sam Jackson will both be in it. Marvel and it's new owner has a lot of clout these days. It's nice when you can pinpoint a list of movies that have several who's grossed more than 300 million, and a lot them of 150 mill.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (3, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844502)

There is no way that a) Downey is going to agree to doing an ensemble picture as a bit player after headlining 2+ Iron Man movies, or b) That the studio is going to spring for the big money it would take to hire him, just for an ensemble role in a risky new franchise.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0942385/ [imdb.com]

Hmmmmm. Maybe you don't know what you're talking about, in the least. I suspect he's more than willing to do an ensemble piece.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (2, Informative)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844506)

here is no way that a) Downey is going to agree to doing an ensemble picture as a bit player after headlining 2+ Iron Man movies, or b) That the studio is going to spring for the big money it would take to hire him, just for an ensemble role in a risky new franchise.

Don't be too sure about that.

We don't know what kind of deal he has going with the studios. Nor do we know what his intentions are. I've seen big name actors take bit parts due to: favors, desire to work, or wanting to work with someone that they've always wanted to work with.

Eddie Murphy did Bowfinger because he is a fan of Steve Martin. Tom Cruise worked for scale on Rainman to work with Hoffman. Sean Bean shows up in weird places with different sized parts all the time. And Downey did do a cameo in Hulk - granted it was part of a grander plan for some future super hero movies, but never the less, he did it.

There are countless times where you see a big name in credited and uncredited appearances in movies doing small parts.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844538)

I dunno, I like a lot of the Jos Whedon characters and shows. Firefly was one of my favorites, as was BtVS and Angel. I enjoy the dialogue more than anything, and certainly don't equate revenues with "success". I rarely feel any empathy towards any characters, but the characters in Firefly and BtVS resonated with me.

Oh crud.

Actually I just watched for Bad Willow and Bad Fred and Saffron. And Eve. Oh Eve.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844618)

There is no way that a) Downey is going to agree to doing an ensemble picture as a bit player after headlining 2+ Iron Man movies, or b) That the studio is going to spring for the big money it would take to hire him, just for an ensemble role in a risky new franchise.

No way? a) Iron Man is the Leader of the Avengers. Downey gets to boss around the other stars, and stare down Jackson, who will only have one eye to stare with. b) Maybe it's part of his contract that he'll play Iron Man in three movies, like McGuire got stuck for Six Spiderman movies.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (4, Funny)

spookymonster (238226) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844746)

Except the studio has already factored in RDj's inevitable self-destruction after Iron Man 2. By the time The Avenger's starts shooting, they'll have him down to a box of crackers and a prepaid Starbucks card.

Re:Doubt it will ever get made (4, Insightful)

sjanich (431789) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844820)

It is my understanding that as they have signed actors to do the standalone movies (e.g. Iron Man, Captain America, etc...) that the contracts included 2 Avengers movies.

Abandon all Hope ye who enter here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844154)

It will suck because of Joss Whedon and the script there is no hope.

Hooray for Ziodberg! (1)

NetNinja (469346) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844160)

I love seeing my comic book heroes come to life!

The last Batman was phenomenal!

The Watchman was quintessential comic book deliciousness!

More comic book goodness!

"in final negotiations" (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844176)

Read: his agent's secretary has pencilled in a possible lunch with the studio's deputy assistant producer's cousin's personal shopper.

Pants: unmoistened. Wait for the Tweet before the nerdgasm.

So there will be musical numbers? (-1, Offtopic)

cprincipe (100684) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844238)

Can't wait until Steed and Peel break into song in the middle of a pursuit.

Re:So there will be musical numbers? (1)

plsander (30907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844422)

I was sooo hoping this was about a revival of the Avengers...

Now I have the theme song stuck in my head.

I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (3, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844332)

...but am I the only nerd that can't stand Firefly?

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (5, Funny)

Troy Baer (1395) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844392)

Yes, yes you are. Go and sin no more.

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844394)

I doubt it, just like I'm not the only one who can't stand BSG.

We nerdy types are not a homogenous mass of identical drones, we just have a common set of interests.

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844658)

We nerdy types are not a homogenous mass of identical drones, we just have a common set of interests.

Unit 470073 has become removed from the collective. Schedule for immediate reintroduction or termination.

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844458)

Yes. Yes, you are. I didn't like Firefly until I actually watched several of the episodes.

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844544)

My situation was the opposite. I thought I would like it...until I watched a couple of episodes.

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (1)

DikSeaCup (767041) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844526)

Well, I loved Firefly, but I really don't see the appeal of Buffy. Just didn't grab me. Dr. Horrible was cool for a web thing, but, as much as I admire Wheadon's creativity, I sometimes feel like telling the fanatics, "Okay, back off, he's pretty good but he has yet to walk on water or write four out of five seasons of a show. All I said was 'I liked "Firefly".' I don't want to join your Buffy discussion group."

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (3, Insightful)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844648)

No, you're not. I don't know when this geek law went into effect that says we must all love Firefly, but I've been breaking it all along and frankly, I'm not sorry. I watched it beginning to end, and the movie as well, and I don't think there was a single idea in it that hadn't been done better somewhere else. Ship of outlaws on the run from an overwhelmingly powerful government? Farscape. Space western? Cowboy Bebop. Telepaths/psychics trying to elude capture and subsequent scientific experimentation? Babylon 5. Badguy who will do anything to get what he wants, ethics be damned? Farscape again. Strong, capable, confident female characters? Farscape trifecta, and present in a lot of other series as well - take your pick from BSG's female cast, and there's Ivanova in B5, Caroline in ReGenesis, Scully in the X Files, the list goes on and on. Whedon hardly has a monopoly on sci-fi female empowerment, and what he does offer isn't even that good.

And yet even now, 8 years after its demise, I still hear people clamoring to have Firefly brought back. Makes no sense to me either.

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (1)

Canar (46407) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844652)

I don't really like anything Joss Whedon has had significant creative input into. You're not the only one.

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844686)

Well then you gotta give us reason to believe you are in fact a nerd. You can't just say "I don't like Firefly" and "I'm a nerd" in the same sentence and Expect us to believe you.

And no, an account on Slashdot does not get you any closer.

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844742)

Does the fact that I have a website whose name is Living With a Nerd work for you? :-)

Re:I'll probably got modded into oblivion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844786)

I found both Firefly and Buffy to be bland and childish. To this day I don't understand the fan following these shows have.

James Marsters? (2, Insightful)

ReneeJade (1649107) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844346)

If we can have a Spike cameo, nothing else matters. I don't care if it makes no sense.

Sucker (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844494)

Who ever makes a cameo will die. He can't kill any Avengers, so he has got to be looking for a red shirt.

Re:James Marsters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844550)

He could get in a fight with Steed i suppose. Umbrellas at dawn!

Re:James Marsters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844634)

Why wouldn't it make sense? He is a superhero after all. Isn't the joy of this movie supposed to come from seeing a lot of super heroes who are all quite different working together?

MTV.com... seriously? (1)

celticryan (887773) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844374)

Is no one else extremely annoyed that the link was to an MTV site? Slashdot linking to MTV... my whole day is going to be all out of whack now. Was there really no other news agency carrying this information?

Re:MTV.com... seriously? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844460)

You do realize that MTV owns GameTrailers and SpikeTV, amongst a number of other things...right?

Re:MTV.com... seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844512)

...so? What's your point? If Slashdot linked to one of those I'd be surprised too.

Re:MTV.com... seriously? (1)

Plastic Pencil (1258364) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844656)

I didn't. If I take your word for it, it kinda explains why Spike had that God of War fanboy commercial that was thinly veiled as a 'competition'.

Re:MTV.com... seriously? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844770)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV [wikipedia.org]

Scroll down to the very bottom of the page, and in the lavender-ish box that says "MTV Networks", click show, then scroll down and you will see everything they own.

Keep in mind, MTV is owned by Viacom...so even though there is a LOT that MTV directly owns, Viacom owns MTV

I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844378)

Perhaps Joss will resurrect the Ms. Marvel Date Rape story line (Issue 200 of the Avengers) and make it more feminist friendly.

Nathan Fillion in Castle (1)

Darth Sdlavrot (1614139) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844400)

Wearing Mal Reynolds's costume was a bit silly IMO.

Re:Nathan Fillion in Castle (1)

Danse (1026) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844608)

Wearing Mal Reynolds's costume was a bit silly IMO.

I think it was supposed to be. It's not exactly a serious show.

Re:Nathan Fillion in Castle (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844798)

As opposed to the deadly serious tone it usually takes...

Sarah Michelle Gellar as the Wasp (1)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844414)

...maybe David Boreanz as Henry Pym, her husband, Ant-Man....

Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (3, Interesting)

NormHome (99305) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844456)

While I thought that Robert Downey Jr. did a really great job as Iron Man (in the first movie) the thing that made the movie was that the script was reasonably good. The second Fantastic Four movie was a total disaster because the script was absolutely the worst I think I've ever seen filmed and I was thinking all the way through the movie "Did the writer's ever actually read the original Jack Kirby, Stan Lee comic that this was based on?". The problem with the Avengers, besides needing a really good script is that the casting has to be good. To my mind the hardest problem here is trying to find someone to play Thor. You need a six foot two plus guy built like Hulk Hogan in his younger days that can do a credible Nordic accent and I think that is next to impossible.

Re:Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844518)

they could find an actual 6'2 nordic guy.

Re:Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (4, Interesting)

GuruBuckaroo (833982) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844598)

You're thinking much too locally. Go rent "The 13th Warrior" and check out the guy who plays Bulywif, Vladimir Kulich. Would make an *excellent* Thor.

Re:Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (1)

NormHome (99305) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844814)

I've never seen that but I'll take your word for it. I suppose they could have an open casting call in Norway and Germany to see what they can come up with. But really what good is someone who physically fits the part but can't act to save their life and whose English may be nonexistent. I remember seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger in Conan The Barbarian and thinking, he really fits the role physically but wow he's a terrible actor. That's not to say that he didn't improve over time as I think that he was terrific in True Lies, but whoever they pick has to be able to act and speak English reasonably well or do the correct accent. My friends and I have this conversation frequently about actors who take parts that require an accent and they just can't do it. Kevin Costner in Robin Hood is one of my favorite examples where he just flat out doesn't even try to do an English accent and it's just laughable.

Re:Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844630)

Couldn't you get an actor like that from say ... Norway? Maybe Sweden?

Re:Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (1)

ShadowRangerRIT (1301549) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844642)

You're saying there are no Nordic bodybuilders out there that can act with any credibility?

Re:Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (1)

clickety6 (141178) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844662)

Dolph Lundgren? :)

Re:Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (1)

Zumbs (1241138) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844664)

According to TFA they found a Chris Hemsworth [imdb.com] , who played George Kirk in the recent Star Trek movie. According to IMDB he is currently filming the Thor movie.

Re:Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (2, Informative)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844688)

So far the movies actually made by Marvel studios [wikipedia.org] rather than just co-produced by them do seem to be better than what they were initially licensing their characters to (the Fantastic Four sequel being a perfect example of the latter).

They still fall squarely in the 'high budget Hollywood superhero movie' category, and they're not exactly highbrow, but I found both Iron Man and Ed Norton's version of The Incredible Hulk to be good entertainment. I'm interested to see how they do with Iron Man 2, and I still hold out fairly high hopes for The Avengers.

Re:Seriously, this is a casting nightmare (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844706)

"Did the writer's ever actually read the original Jack Kirby, Stan Lee comic that this was based on?"

Of course they did. They also read the Ultimate (FF,Galactus) series of comics, and introduced some of those ideas because their superiors at Marvel forced them to. The result was the mess you watched in the theater.

He's rewriting it too... (1)

aitikin (909209) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844476)

Apparently, from another article on the same site [mtv.com] , Whedon is rewriting it too.

"According to Variety [variety.com] , Whedon will also rewrite the script for "The Avengers"

Yeah...No. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844488)

His movie's aren't very good. He is great at long arches, great at TV plots. Not so good at getting all he does great into a movie. IT's not...tight.

Serenity is a great example of that. Without the series as a primer, if you will, the movie doesn't really make that much sense.

Plus marvel will never let him kill one of the Avengers. That means he needs to add a character to kill. This will distract from the movie.

I hope I am wrong.

Re:Yeah...No. (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844570)

HAHAHA You simple mortal! He will kill off Captain Hammer!

Of course, it will be in an epic fight between The good captain and Thor!

Re:Yeah...No. (1)

Danse (1026) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844636)

Without the series as a primer, if you will, the movie doesn't really make that much sense.

I don't think the movie was truly intended to stand alone. It was more of a payback to fans for buying Firefly DVDs and a way to wrap up the series after Fox fucked everyone over so badly.

Re:Yeah...No. (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844762)

His movie's aren't very good.

Serenity is a great example of that.

Serenity is one of the 5 movies he's written that actually made it to the screen, and it's the only movie he has directed. You might as easily say that he was too constrained by the TV show to really make it work--that he was too close to the original material.

As far as the rest of his feature film writing credits, he had success with Toy Story as writer. Titan AE and Alien Resurrection weren't bad, they just weren't great. Buffy...well it wasn't the story he wanted, but I'm not sure who's to blame for that.

There's a great body of work for the Avengers, too, but whoever ends up writing the final script also has a large precedent to muck around in the universe. Just about every comic book-turned-movie that was in any way successful has deviated significantly from the canon of the books. With Serenity, I could very easily see Whedon being unwilling to retcon anything.

One last thing to note is that The Avengers will be drawing heavily from the other movies in that universe. That means that creative control is likely to be pretty restricted. It's likely that we won't see any of Joss come through with the script or direction, if he ends up being selected.

Let me predict the Whedon deaths... (1)

Kirin Fenrir (1001780) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844580)

- At some point, a beloved character will have a "perfect moment" where he saves the day...then suddenly die in the next scene.

- At another point, two romantically-interested characters will finally divulge their feelings, be happy for all of ten minutes, then one will meet a horrible and sudden end.

There will also be at least implied lesbianism at some point. Whedon has his moments, but his bags of tricks is fairly small.

Re:Let me predict the Whedon deaths... (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844684)

So, is that last point a complaint, or......? I mean come on, who didnt love all that Willow and dark-haired Slayer trainee action?

Is it gonna be about "feelings?" (1)

Plastic Pencil (1258364) | more than 4 years ago | (#31844602)

Will we find out that Thor harbors a deep man love for Captain America, that will never be accepted?

Will there be lots of slow montages with 'chick' bands playing in the background?

I'm just kidding. Hope you knock this one out of the park Joss!

Especially for your sake, or you'll be doomed to a future of angry fanboys at convention forums asking you stupid questions.

Can someone explain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31844626)

How does "Buffy" appeal to nerds, supposedly clever people? Seriously...

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