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Israel Blocks iPad Imports, Citing Wi-Fi Transmission Regulations

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the we're-looking-for-droids dept.

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unixcrab writes with this excerpt from The Mac Observer: "Apple's iPad is proving to be popular everywhere — except Israel. The country's Communication Ministry is refusing to let people bring the multimedia tablet into the country because it hasn't tested and approved the Wi-Fi technology used in the device, according to Haaretz. Ministry officials commented, 'The iPad device sold exclusively today in the United States operates at broadcast power levels [over its Wi-Fi modem] compatible with American standards. As the Israeli regulations in the area of Wi-Fi are similar to European standards, which are different from American standards, which permit broadcasting at lower power, therefore the broadcast levels of the device prevent approving its use in Israel.' The government seems serious about its iPad import ban. Customs officials have already confiscated ten iPads and told their owners to ship them overseas."

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Simple solution (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 4 years ago | (#31859984)

Wait till they ship a model to europe that has the wifi part limited to ETSI power and frequency limits.

Re:Simple solution (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860088)

> There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.

Fuck off. Starting now.

Re:Simple solution (4, Informative)

zero_out (1705074) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860246)

For those who are unaware, you can click on the Prefs button at the bottom of this page, and change your settings to not display signatures in comments. I know that the parent was just trolling, but I think this is a handy piece of information that some people don't know.

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860292)

Hmmm. I guess I was sort of trolling. However, I've been reading and posting here (mostly non-anonoymously) for 13 years, and sometimes the speciousness or pretension of the sig-files takes my breath away and I feel I have to respond. I might take you up on the sig-file idea, so cheers.

Re:Simple solution (0, Troll)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860940)

Yeah but like, what:

Apple's iPad is proving to be popular everywhere — except Israel.

It's only released in the US. How can it prove to be popular everywhere already?

Re:Simple solution (2, Insightful)

bell.colin (1720616) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861330)

Stop questioning the Apple religious movement propaganda, they don't like it.

Re:Simple solution (1)

ThreeE (786934) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860968)

What was specious or pretentious? Did I miss something?

Re:Simple solution (1)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860984)

13 years, and sometimes the speciousness or pretension of the sig-files takes my breath away and I feel I have to respond.

In case you were unaware, I've seen that sig many times on here since... probably as long as I can remember. At the very least, the last 1.5 years or so.

I find it hard to believe that, as a 13-year /. veteran, you'd only say something now and that you'd not post about it with your regular UID. I'm sure you can spare the karma, since you obviously care about it.

Re:Simple solution (2, Funny)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861068)

You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake!

THE CAKE IS A LIE!!!

For travelers (4, Insightful)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860122)

I think the concern is more about travelers coming from North America. As somebody who has brought tons of American bought laptops into Israel I find this very strange indeed.

In Israel... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860014)

...WI-FI transmissions are from right to left.

You will have to turn your routers and ipads upside down to make them work.

Why.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860034)

Does Israel hate the iPad???

Re:Why.... (0, Flamebait)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861028)

Perhaps they got tired of hating iPalestinians ?

Aw poor Apple (4, Insightful)

aztektum (170569) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860038)

Held to a countries regulations. Oh wait, they had to pass FCC testing here too. Big whoopie fucking do.

Nothing to do with Apple (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860162)

This is users bringing devices from overseas, having them confiscated. The ones Apple sells there would presumably meet whatever standard is required for the country.

So, I'd say poor users, being foolish enough to actually declare a device too small to really detect by customs. That'll learn 'em.

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (1)

nitio (825314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860210)

Unless, of course, they HAVE to declare or they face serious tax evasion penalties. Brazil may charge you 50% more of what is beyond the amazing, wait for it, US$500 tax-free you can import.

Something is better than nothing (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860548)

Unless, of course, they HAVE to declare or they face serious tax evasion penalties.

Face how? Remember how I said the device was just about un-detectable by security? It's super flat, if you just leave it under a laptop they wouldn't think much of in on an X-Ray.

I know Israel security is very tight, but I'm thinking incoming residents don't face much more scrutiny of luggage than in any other country I've been in - where you say you have nothing to declare, possibly get sniffed by a dog, and you are on your way.

Remember the devices are being confiscated, and the people are being told they have to send them back overseas. So if you DON'T hide them you are out $500 for sure, instead of possibly being out a bit more.

Of course, I'd just wait until they ship there, but if you're bringing in something under $1k I see to reason to really declare it as it's probably more bother than it's worth, fines or no.

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (1)

mishehu (712452) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860708)

The gov't has stated that you can have your iPad held pending review by the Ministry of Communications for 50 NIS per day (roughly around $12-13). Otherwise, I think you'll lose custody and ownership of the iPad. I imagine you'll likely get fined if you try to go through the green line instead of the red line and get caught, on top of the prior two choices.

But... apparently this is newsworthy here because it's about Apple. What do I care even? I have no intention of jumping on the bandwagon. Sounds like a bunch of waaaambulances being dispatched to me...

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860496)

I'm guessing that Israeli customs guys are pretty jumpy about undeclared objects, especially ones that look funny on x-ray...

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (2, Informative)

delta98 (619010) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860604)

At least they are letting the owners ship them back out instead of keeping or destroying them.

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861152)

Destroying them like this?

http://lilysussman.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop-welcome-to-israel/ [wordpress.com]

What are the odds they charged her for the 3 bullets?

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31861274)

Well, yes.

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (2, Interesting)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861282)

What are the odds they charged her for the 3 bullets?

Not too high, considering they eventually reimbursed her for the computer.

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860836)

It would surprise me if apple built diffent hardware for different reigons. I know the company I work for builds one piece of hardware that can be certified in all the countries that are relevant. Its not worth it to develop multiple different piece of hardware and deal with all the warehousing and manufacturing issues that would result.

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (1)

gillbates (106458) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861040)

Ok, you don't declare a device you could have snuck past customs.

Now you have the problem that said device interferes with military radar, and now you have IDF at your door (if you're lucky. You might get Mr. Hellfire instead).

Me, I'd rather declare and be declined than deal with IDF. Of course, YMMV.

Re:Nothing to do with Apple (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861266)

too small to really detect by customs

I’ve never been through Israeli customs but from what I’ve heard I’m not sure I’d bank on that.

And if you don’t declare it and they do find it, they might just decide to shoot it [slashdot.org] ...

Re:Aw poor Apple (2, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860192)

Held to a countries regulations. Oh wait, they had to pass FCC testing here too. Big whoopie fucking do.

That's not exactly the issue. The iPad uses standard wifi 802.11, just like many other devices. If Apple wants to sell in a given country, they need to submit to approval from their version of the FCC but (and this is what is different) it's really weird to confiscate random wifi devices being carried into the country by individuals. A whole lot of laptops aren't sold directly in Israel and are not confiscated at the border when tourists bring them in.

Now probably the iPad is just high profile and looks different enough that customs people can tell at a glance what it is and know it is not approved, but it certainly does seem to be being singled out from all the other wifi hardware regularly carried into Israel.

Re:Aw poor Apple (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860832)

Or.... maybe the customs officials really wanted one. I mean, really, what can an average citizen do to stop them ?

Re:Aw poor Apple (1)

marcobat (1178909) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860988)

Oh, now i get it, you are saying that this is all just about Israel Communication Ministry being pist off because he didn't receive a complimentary iPad to test?

Re:Aw poor Apple (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860456)

Wasn't there another story earlier about how only the USA would be getting iPads for the foreseeable future? How much mre non-news could this story be?

Confiscation seems a bit much (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860040)

Declare nothing. Always answer, "Nope, didn't buy anything overseas"

And ship things like this home in a box.

Frist prost (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860046)

Its bullshit, its just typical kike behaviour, be suspicious of anything that lets the white man dominate the Jew.

A Cheaper Alternative To Shipping Overseas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860048)

is too simply BLEND [youtube.com] the i-Fill_In_This_Blank_With_Whatever_Apple_Dumps_Into_The_Market.

Enjoy.

Yours In Astrakhan,
Kilgore Trout

nope (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860062)

Israel's in with global tyranny. They don't plan for their plebiscite citizens having access to a device that could open their minds and expand their horizons, expecially the developer potential.
On the plus side, I can't wait to see the fat people being forced onto their bicycles. They deserve it!

So... (1)

geekmansworld (950281) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860064)

Let me get this straight: Israel don't want the iPad in the country because its WiFi transmits at LOWER power than their standards?

Doesn't... lower power mean LESS interference?

Can someone with radio skillz please explain how this makes sense?

Re:So... (1)

geekmansworld (950281) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860106)

Okay, got that backwards. So the European standard "permits" broadcasting at lower power, but doesn't require?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860250)

They accidentally a 'only'. Europe does support a few more wifi channels though.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860314)

The European standard "permits" broadcasting at lower power - meaning that if your device is going to broadcast, the permit given is to do it at a lower power. The standard does not "require" broadcasting at lower power - meaning that your device does not have to broadcast at a lower power, or at all; you're perfectly fine making non-broadcasting devices.

Re:So... (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860520)

It's probably just worded oddly in TFA.

Best way to say it is that the maximum "permitted" power is lower in Europe than in the USA.

Re:So... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860236)

And more importantly, why are there different WiFi standards? Why doesn't everyone just use 802.11?

Re:So... (3, Interesting)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860290)

And more importantly, why are there different WiFi standards? Why doesn't everyone just use 802.11?

The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.

Re:So... (0, Offtopic)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860912)

The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.

That's not nice at all, it's confusing.

What we need is a standard on how to decide which one of the standards should be the standard.

Re:So... (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861042)

Don't get ahead of yourself. We need to standardise on a preliminary standard before we start standardising standard standards. Now once that standard has been settled, we can follow standard procedure for standardising standards to decide which standard should be standard.

Re:So... (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861142)

Don't get ahead of yourself. We need to standardise on a preliminary standard before we start standardising standard standards.

Who's "we"? We're gonna need a standard for that, first!

Re:So... (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860380)

Why are there different operating systems? Why doesn't everyone just use Microsoft Windows?

...

Not quite the same thing, but it's sort of related. Having standards compete just like businesses compete hopefully will lead to better standards. Having one standard only that everyone has to adhere to? Hm... SOMEONE is controlling the standard (or some group). Having one standard that everyone adheres to will lead to that one group being rather powerful. And people who work on standards are no more inherently ethical than those that don't.

Re:So... (3, Interesting)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860414)

And more importantly, why are there different WiFi standards? Why doesn't everyone just use 802.11?

802.11 a, b, g, or n? Currently the discrepancy may be 802.11a - y2008 variant that allows for 3.7 Ghz transmissions but is only approved by the FCC, not EU governments.

Re:So... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860472)

Surely you don't think that every place is the same, with exactly the same solutions applicable everywhere? (I'd hope so, if you are indeed behind attaining world peace, as your sig suggests)

For starters, it was probably clear, while drafting the standard, that Europe was bound to have rather high typical density of hotspots. Lower permitted power (and more channels available) probably helps in those circumstances.

Re:So... (2, Informative)

klapaucjusz (1167407) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860484)

There's just one series of 802.11 (WiFi) standards.

However, different countries have different power limits and different sets of allowed channels. For example, in the 802.11b/g band, most of Europe allows channels 1 through 13 at 100mW max, while the USA only allow channels 1 through 11, but with higher power limits (1W, IIRC).

Because of those regulatory differences, WiFi hardware is sold with slightly different firmware in different countries, and it may be illegal for you to use foreign WiFi hardware.

Re:So... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860540)

There are two interlocking issues here:

802.11(abgn) is the standard defining how wifi is supposed to work, interoperate, authentication, yadda, yadda.

However, since wi-fi involves radio transmission, a given wifi-based device is a radio transmitter, and must comply with the RF broadcast restrictions of whatever country it is operating in. Luckily, 2.4GHz is open spectrum in much of the world; but details about allowable power level and such do differ.

There aren't different wifi standards; but different countries have different limits on transmitter power and frequency.

Re:So... (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860884)

It is 802.11, but different countries have different radio restrictions. The protocols and general operation are identical, it's just the frequency bands and power levels that change.

sounds like someone in iCon Group has friends (3, Interesting)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860114)

Apple doesn't sell their own products directly in Israel, they have a distributor there. Every iPad brought in represents a lost sale for them. Sounds like they're angry about not getting the device quickly enough and losing early sales.

http://www.apple.com/il/buy/ [apple.com]

Re:sounds like someone in iCon Group has friends (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860342)

Exactly - the stated reason is complete horseshit, as the iPad uses an identical WiFi stack to both the iPhone 3GS and IPod Touch. This is entirely down to somebody having political connections.

But then again, would you expect anything different from a country that is currently deciding whether to become an apartheid regime or just commit ethnic cleansinginvoluntary relocation on a sizable chunk of it's population?

Re:sounds like someone in iCon Group has friends (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860930)

Edgy, I like it.

I mostly think the customs officer(s) wanted a free iPad.

Re:sounds like someone in iCon Group has friends (0, Troll)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860980)

Honestly I have no problem with Israel relocating/segregating the Palestinians. The hatred they have for each other is ingrained from birth an cannot be resolved. Separation, forced if need be, seems like a better solution to me than simply wiping out the Palestinians, or they can continue killing each other on a daily basis.

Confiscation of someone's iDevice is not comparable on any level to the above.

Re:sounds like someone in iCon Group has friends (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860638)

Wow...

iCon is a really really good name for an Apple reseller.

Re:sounds like someone in iCon Group has friends (1)

firewort (180062) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860928)

Shimon Peres' son is the owner of iDigital, the authorized reseller/importer.

You'd think the son of a former Prime Minister might be able to make a few phone calls, wouldn't you?

Re:sounds like someone in iCon Group has friends (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861080)

Depends. Was his iPhone confiscated?

Coincidence? (5, Funny)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860132)

Is it coincidence that iPads are being "confiscated" shortly after Apple announced the international launch of the iPad was being delayed? I think not! :)

Re:Coincidence? (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860474)

Israeli Customs Agents: Proud new iPad owners!

Re:Coincidence? (0, Troll)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860580)

No, the problem is they read slashdot and saw in the comments to the earlier Apple/iPad story:

Except Apple is gradually adding multitasking. OS 4 is getting much closer to a final solution.

There's no way this is just a coincidence.

Yee-hah! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860142)

Let the anti-semetism begin!

Re:Yee-hah! (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860956)

Let the anti-semetism begin!

I don't know that many people have anything against SeMet [wikipedia.org] , but whatever...

So the take away is: don't bring your iPad (1)

zero_out (1705074) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860184)

This isn't really "news" so much as a PSA. To everyone who bought an iPad and is going to travel to Israel, don't bring your iPad with you.

Re:So the take away is: don't bring your iPad (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860952)

Or hide it where the sun don't shine ?

Re:So the take away is: don't bring your iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31861132)

Or hide it where the sun don't shine ?

Apple users are used to having things crammed in there.

This should not be news! (4, Interesting)

stm2 (141831) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860232)

That is pretty common in a lot of countries.
In Argentina, if you import a device with a plug different from our official plug (in size and shape), the import can be rejected.
Even if you could buy a cheap adapter in order to make it work (provided that the voltage is compatible), you are banner for importing until you request a device with the right plug.
So some people end up paying bribes to enter such a devices.

Re:This should not be news! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860556)

Countries never to visit due to STUPID customs laws:

Israel

Argentina

Brazil

Re:This should not be news! (1)

digitalchinky (650880) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860692)

Lucky you I say - here in the Philippines there are about 6 common plug types you might randomly end up with no matter what you buy. Voltage at the outlet is 220, but some appliances require 110. As for the wiring, I don't think anyone in this country actually knows what the third prong is for so they never run a wire for it. (grounding conductor connection / earth connection)

All in all it keeps the private fire brigades in business.

Re:This should not be news! (1)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861130)

The third prong is for cutting off, di ba ?

Re:This should not be news! (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861046)

What if you cut off the plug? Surely you can buy a compatible plug later...

Not the soup Nazi (1, Funny)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860234)

A spokesperson for the Israeli Communications Ministry said the Israeli Government had fully investigated the import ban, and found that Israel had at all times operated in accordance with international law. Israeli customs officers maintained a high professional and moral level while facing an enemy that aimed to terrorize Israeli civilians by broadcasting wifi at American power levels. Next time we see one of those iPads, the spokesperson said, we'll probably just shoot it [wordpress.com] .

Re:Not the soup Nazi (1)

e065c8515d206cb0e190 (1785896) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860478)

I call Godwin

Re:Not the soup Nazi (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860830)

An iPad might actually be an interesting device to convert into a covert explosive...

Tiny motherboard(with low current requirements, particularly if you turn off wireless and sound, and turn down volume) and a huge volume of battery.

Replace the iPad battery with a much smaller one(you don't need 10 hours, 10-15 minutes to pass the "show us that it isn't a bomb by turning it on" test will be fine) and fill the rest of the former battery volume with the explosive of your choice(for extra credit, take advantage of Apple's peripheral support, and tap the appropriate dock-connector pins, then have an iMartyr app to use for detonating).

Additional tricks(like scoring the inside of the aluminum backplate to make it break up in a more even shrapnel distribution, or replacing the backplate with a steel one in the hopes of getting a directional spray of glass fragments from the front of the device) are left as an exercise for the reader.

Re:Not the soup Nazi (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860914)

What about the JooJoo tablet? Doesn't the Antisemitic League find that not kosher at all?

Ipad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860334)

Not kosher.

802.11a - 5.5Ghz and up is no go in Israel (4, Informative)

RichMan (8097) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860378)

5Ghz is where a lot of military radar like stuff operates. In particular Israel has specific 802.11a restrictions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels

5.5Gz up is a not supposed to be used in Israel, but is open for use in US, Japan and Europe.

Here is a good, but not current, discussion of the various issues around wifi.
http://wifinetnews.com/archives/2007/01/5_ghz_or_bust.html

it's not a base station (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860498)

I don't think it does ad hoc networking. If there are no 5.8GHz base stations, then the iPad won't use 5.8GHz Wi-Fi. If there are 5.8GHz base stations, then it isn't really the iPad that's creating the problem, is it?

Re:it's not a base station (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860750)

If there are no 5.8GHz base stations, then the iPad won't use 5.8GHz Wi-Fi

Don't wireless devices look on the given frequencies? Possibly send out signals asking who is around? I didn't think connecting to a network was entirely passive, even in the discovery stage...

Re:it's not a base station (1)

somenickname (1270442) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860920)

Most wireless cards that you find in a laptop do absolutely nothing on the 5Ghz channels unless they first hear a beacon on one of those channels. They specifically do this so that they can conform to world regulations on what channels can be used. So the Israeli claim is completely bogus unless Apple went out of their way to hardcode the wifi region directly into the firmware instead of the normal "world roaming" region that most cards have (which is possible, I suppose). Having said that, for some cards it's not a hardware or firmware restriction that prevents the transmission on whatever channel you want but instead a software one. For example, you can use an atheros wireless card that normally has the 5Ghz channels closed as a full on access point by simply hacking the driver to remove the restriction.

Re:it's not a base station (1)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860982)

Well, you're wrong. Current wifi chips which come loaded with "world" firmware will never broadcast on 5GHz channels unless they first see beacons from an AP on that channel. These channels are marked for passive scanning only. When a device sees a beacon on that channel then it assumes that local regulations allow wifi on that channel, and the chip will enable it. The chips used in access points, by contrast, generally are shipped with locale-specific firmware, or at least locale-specific black box operating systems.

This is why the wifi card out of your laptop can't really be used as a decent access point. You can't get them to ever broadcast beacons on the 5GHz band.

Nooooooo! No more iPad 'news' items, please. (0, Troll)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860388)

That's enough now, Timmy.
Now go away and do your damn job - find something interesting.
Try Ars Tech, or something. Anything....
Hell, maybe even CNN or the BBC

Re:Nooooooo! No more iPad 'news' items, please. (2, Funny)

godrik (1287354) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860786)

please mod parent "+10 damn right". I am getting tired of 2 maxipad news a day

FUCK THE IPAD! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860426)

iPad this, iPad that, iPad there, iPad here. Life is possible without Apple products. If you want one, buy one and SHUT THE FUCK UP about it. Goddamn superficial consumer whores!

Re:FUCK THE IPAD! (4, Funny)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860768)

Have you considered moving to Israel?

Non sequitir (3, Interesting)

RandCraw (1047302) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860564)

If Israel's WiFi standard is like Europe's, this begs several questions:

0) Isn't it likely that Apple has already explored this ground? If not prior to the iPad's rollout, then after introducing the same technology in the iPhone when they introduced it over a year ago throughout europe and Israel?

1) Why haven't european regulators also rejected the iPad? Since they apparently have not, they must have tested the iPad (or grandfathered it as comparable iPhone tech) and accepted it.

2) Since the europeans tested and accepted the iPad, why haven't the Israelis accepted the european test results since they're supposedly equivalent?

Sounds like the Israelis are waving a red herring. Either they're protecting an in-country product or license, or they're punishing Apple for something. Either way, this kind of pissy petulence makes them sound like a snotty child.

"I'll take my ball away and play with myself."

Re:Non sequitir (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860926)

Begging the question [wikipedia.org] ...

Re:Non sequitir (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861294)

You're making the naive assumption that the European models of iPhone / iPad are identical to the North American versions.

Hint: They aren't.

Do they keep laptops too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860592)

This is non sense... an iPad is nothing more than a computer with WiFi...

Maybe I`m wrong or i just dont get it....

Wifi what? (1)

yoshi_mon (172895) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860740)

What exactly is the issue with the Wifi?

I could have read this story on any news feed.

Re:Wifi what? (1)

dlgeek (1065796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861304)

The exact issue is that it doesn't comply with Israel's regulations on transmission power in the 2.4 GHz spectrum.

To expand a little: every country has similar-but-not-identical standards regarding the use of radio spectrum. This is a very limited resource, and there are all kinds of laws and standards to ensure that I can't use a really powerful wifi radio in my laptop that would prevent any other wifi radio in the surrounding mile from working. The standards in the US allow for higher power usage than those in Israel or Europe.

These regulations apply not only to manufacturing of devices, but to possession and use of them. Thus, it's illegal for me to modify my laptop to exceed these standards or for someone to use such a laptop. It would also be illegal for me to import such a laptop...or iPad. This is what's happening in Israel.

So how much power does the IPad have? (1)

kj4gxu (1602865) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860748)

So the question I have is does anyone know what the WI-FI transmit power is on the IPAD? I didn't see it on Apple's site and don't seem to be finding it anywhere? Are we talking a full 1 watt?

In Other Words (1)

MrTripps (1306469) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860792)

Mossad doesn't have an easy way to crack into it yet. Shouldn't take long.

its just (2, Funny)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860798)

NOT KOSHER!!!

Freebies (1)

dadioflex (854298) | more than 4 years ago | (#31860802)

Sounds like somebody is angling for some free samples to "test".

ISRAELI CUSTOMS ARE BASTARDS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31860916)

For all the hype about being so high-tech, Israel in my experience has a god-awful and low-tech customs agency.

My favorite: The first fella who had his iPad confiscated learned it was being held in a depot...and he was paying for each day it was in customs.

They are a goofball organization and charge outrageous fees- just try smuggling a Wii or something along those lines into Israel.

Hopefully this will shame them a bit, but not bloody likely.

iPads are dirty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31861104)

According to Orthodox Jewish law, iPads are dirty and must be submerged in a Mikvah to be cleansed.

Re:iPads are dirty (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861368)

It’s a simple mistake, really... they had “mac’s iPad” confused with “maxi pad”, which is a feminine hygiene product used to stop the flow of menstrual blood. And, as all good Orthodox Jews know, anything which has touched menstrual blood is unclean.

HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31861108)

All you iPad is belonging to US!

its that they are confiscating them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31861194)

The issue here is not that the Israeli Government hasn't approved the IPad. It is that the customs officials are actively conviscating the Ipad from tourists and other visitors.

This is good to know. I wouldn't want to bring my new Ipad and have it confiscated at the Border.

its furbies all over again (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 4 years ago | (#31861342)

Banned in households of US intelligence agents because they reputedly recorded sounds.
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