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Ireland May Be Next To Censor the Internet

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the sure-and-it's-a-good-man's-weakness dept.

Censorship 155

An anonymous reader writes "According to the Irish Times, the government of Ireland — the country that recently made blasphemy a criminal offense — has had extensive talks regarding the censorship of the Internet. Details are a little sketchy, as the documents requested under the Freedom of Information request were denied; however, '...the ongoing high level of discussion on the subject is indicated in the detailed description of each refused item in the list of materials returned by the [Department of Justice].' Ireland seems to be following the well-trodden path blazed by the Land Down Under, justifying censorship with 'won't somebody think of the children!' (and the copyright holders)."

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Goodbye Internet (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870648)

Goodbye Internet, it was nice knowing you.

Hello Web 3.0.

Re:Goodbye Internet (2, Insightful)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870704)

If the Web 3.0 is the censored Internet, may I stay at version 2.0 please? Or is it like Sony: "Your version of the Internet does not allow you to connect, so please update to 3.0?"

Re:Goodbye Internet (2, Insightful)

codegen (103601) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870728)

If you don't upgrade you are a terrorist (or a pedophile)!!

Re:Goodbye Internet (3, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870940)

If you don't upgrade you are a terrorist (or a pedophile)!!

What if he's just someone who terrorizes pedophiles?

Re:Goodbye Internet (3, Funny)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871008)

Or maybe he's a paedophile terrorist and he's planning on flying a plane into a nursery school complete with camera in one hand and penis in the other.

Re:Goodbye Internet (1)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871204)

Flying a plane with his knees should be entertaining ... (seeing as his hands are both busy)

Re:Goodbye Internet (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871300)

Eh - I've flown hands free for brief periods - it usually takes 2 hands to plot my position using VOR radials :). Just make sure the plane is properly trimmed and you're usually ok for a while in calm air.

Re:Goodbye Internet (0, Flamebait)

Darby (84953) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871316)

They headed that off by making blasphemy illegal. Supporting the rape of children: Good Catholic.
Oppose raping children even if only in words and well you're criminal scum.

Just the Catholic Church continuing to be the paragon of moral virtue they've always been.

Re:Goodbye Internet (3, Interesting)

john83 (923470) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870984)

Given our record [digitalrights.ie] on this sort of thing, the ISPs here will cheerfully comply.

Re:Goodbye Internet (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871918)

So tell me, Ireland, if I stand out in the middle of, say, Dublin's Victoria Quay, and yell out "Jesus sucks!", would I really get taken to jail?

Re:Goodbye Internet (3, Insightful)

martas (1439879) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871640)

Plato: “The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.” As true now as it has ever been.

Blasphemous! (2, Interesting)

spammeister (586331) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870694)

I think that FSM and other "religions" that rely on the internet to "spread the good word" would be in all rights able to get this law struck down on some sort of trumped-up blasphemy charge.

Re:Blasphemous! (2, Funny)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870808)

All religions are created equally, some more equal than others...
It will be fun for a laugh, but if they try they'll see how objective people really are around religion. FSM supporters might even get jail-time because the have invented a religion purely for blasphemous purposes in the judges eyes.

Re:Blasphemous! (0)

crashumbc (1221174) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870906)

All religions are created equally, some more equal than others...
It will be fun for a laugh, but if they try they'll see how objective people really are around religion. FSM supporters might even get jail-time because the have invented a religion purely for blasphemous purposes in the judges eyes.

It's SCARY how true this is...

My poor lord and savior FSM, is much maligned..

Re:Blasphemous! (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870964)

Keep the faith brother, Jesus was once an outcast and convicted criminal and look at him now!

Re:Blasphemous! (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871014)

Is he a sweat zombie, or do you think he has fully decomposed by now?

Re:Blasphemous! (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871176)

Well, technically zombie would be the correct term... since you cannot kill what has already been killed. But still, he's the most loved zombie in the world, with statues of his dead corpse hanging in churches and houses around the world. And people eating pieces of zombie-flesh and drinking zombie-blood on a regular basis. And in light of recent events the photo's found of Jesus and the children are dubious: http://images.google.nl/images?q=jesus+children&safeui=off [google.nl]

Damn, Christianity is really morbid if you think about it.

Re:Blasphemous! (0, Redundant)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871282)

They claim they are eating and drinking of him, that isn't the same thing as actually doing it.

Re:Blasphemous! (2, Funny)

PakProtector (115173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871734)

They claim they are eating and drinking of him, that isn't the same thing as actually doing it.

To them it is. That's the point. They are necrophages — I don't know if cannibalism technically applies since, in their minds, while he was fully human he was also fully God. So all Catholics are at the very least necrophages, and at the most anthropophages.

So don't turn your back on the damn cannibals, for you are delicious in wafer form when served with wine.

Re:Blasphemous! (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31872118)

Deityphages is even more bizzare...

Not only Catholics BTW - also Orthodox (or Eastern churches generally), Anglicanism, also Lutheranism; yes, the mechanisms of what supposedly happens vary, but the essence remains the same.

Re:Blasphemous! (3, Funny)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870868)

"Think of the children!" would recently seem to be blaspheamous for too significant part of Irish religious "elite".

Though maybe not, taking various meanings of "think" into account...

Re:Blasphemous! (3, Insightful)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871060)

When you have religion dictating what to do with/for/about children I always think: these are the same people that are against planned parenthood, want children to go to church (and the risk of buggering is a bonus) and preach abstinence and other fables to children. There has been a shitstorm about catholic child-abuse, but it's only the tip of the iceberg because a lot of people still think they will betray their faith/god/pope when they talk about their pedo-priest... that's the saddest part: not that it happened but that religion is so involved people are scared for their soul while it should be the priests that fear the flames...

Re:Blasphemous! (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871498)

The push to control (well, "destabilise" would be a good word, too) sexuality of adolescents is probably a very usefull adaptation for a religion, I imagine. Perhaps if you're made to fight, supress such potent and integral force in you (and at formative years of your life), it increases the chances you will never escape it, bend yourself to value it for lack of options (what's done...), pass it further, etc.

Re:Blasphemous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871670)

Abstinence is not a fable - it is a way of life for computer geeks.

Internet isn't liquor... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870706)

Restricting it won't have impact in Ireland.

Re:Internet isn't liquor... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871752)

I use the internet to order liquor you insensitive clod !

FFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870712)

Now how the hell am I supposed to get me some Irish girl porn? =(

Re:FFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871036)

Now how the hell am I supposed to get me some Irish girl porn? =(

call your mum?

Re:FFS (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871350)

Where do you get it at present?

Punishment (2, Interesting)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870750)

And I suppose that the punishment to speaking against God will be stoning to death?
So what happens to all the citizens of Ireland that do not believe in God? I would guess that practicing any other religion is considered blasphemy...

Re:Punishment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870886)

Well quite obviously you cant mention the fact that you don't believe in god.

Anyway over in the Nordic countries there is special provision in the freedom of religion mentioning freedom to choose no religion as well. And that puts nonbelievers under same umbrella.

Re:Punishment (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871730)

There is no god.

Religions use fear and guilt to get their followers to behave in the way the religion wants. Much of the time, that behavior is good for society and the world as a whole, but when a religion tries to limit in any way the beliefs of others, then it needs to be stopped.

I saw a poll yesterday of Africans. It was split between Muslim and Christians and how they believed about their and other religions. The most telling to me was that 60% of Nigerian Muslims believe that a single world government ran by Muslims will happen within their lifetime. Scary, not just for Christians, but for atheists like me. Only 30% of Christians believed that Jesus would return during their lifetime - still too high.

Ignorant people are never good, but especially when they become involved in organized religion.

Re:Punishment (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871736)

Even better, such blasphemy laws (when in so called "civilised" word) are usually written in a neutral way, served as part of freedom of religion. Which is of course legal nonsense because virtually every single religion hurts feelings (that's how blasphemy law is worded at my place, I kid you not) of other religions...

That's just for show of course, such law applies in practise only to most entrenched (and wishing very much to stay that way) faith.

Not a major problem! (5, Interesting)

osullish (586626) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870776)

I'm Irish, and at the rate this country is falling apart, they'll be nobody left here to access the internet in a few years. This is typical of the current Irish government, faffing about with silly non-existant problems, while failing to tackle the major problems like the economy, the collapse of the banking sector, the arse falling out of the property market, the child abuse scandal involving the catholic church, the alcoholism of the country, the violent crime thats becoming more prevalent etc. We're €81,000,000,000 in the red due to the cronyism of the banking and construction sector and this is what we waste our time with!

Let's be clear (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870946)

The ultimate goal of censorship -- like every other expansion of government power -- is simply money. The idea of "moral standards", "hate speech", or "national security" are merely smokescreens for what they're really after: billions of dollars in revenue.

At the top of the power pyramid, as long as the money passes through your hands, you win. It doesn't matter where it goes, as long as it passes through your hands, giving you a chance to exploit it for personal gain.

Make no mistake, the primary effect of censorship will be to rake more tax dollars through the hands of the power elite. Every year government costs more, borrows more, and spends more, and yet (surprise) the quality of government only worsens over time. There's a reason why all governments cost more over time, and it sure ain't because governmets are getting better. It's because the more government costs to run, the more lucrative government is for the people who make their fortunes in the business of government.

I thought cutting taxes saved Ireland! (3, Interesting)

FatSean (18753) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871006)

Here in the USA I keep hearing about how the Irish economy boomed after taxes were cut to the bone to 'encourage business'. What say you?

Re:I thought cutting taxes saved Ireland! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871152)

That was a number of years ago. That time period was called the Celtic Tiger (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Tiger). It was a short-lived period of economic growth. But like osullish said, the arse is falling out of everything! :-)

Re:I thought cutting taxes saved Ireland! (4, Informative)

raddan (519638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871580)

Sadly, the idea that Ireland's boom was a result of cutting business tax is a myth, and was covered extensively in this On Point broadcast [onpointradio.org] . The real reason for Ireland's boom was easy credit, the same as everywhere else. Only their bubble was bigger-- partly because the Irish people had never before known a time of wealth, and also partly because Ireland became an attractive place to do business (comparatively low-wage, English-speaking labor)-- a property that disappeared around the same time as the crisis as emigration decreased and wages began to rise. What is true, though, is that the deep cutting of business tax had a detrimental effect on the ability of the government to actually do anything about the crisis-- they simply did not have the funds available to lessen its severity like we were able to in the U.S.

I have many friends who were affected deeply by this. The family of a good friend of mine was nearly employed in its entirety by Dell's Limerick plant. Dell left for cheaper labor in Poland, around the same time that the financial crisis hit. Nearly all of these folks, who, for the first time in generations, could afford to live in their own houses, and own their own cars, went bankrupt overnight. You can debate the wisdom of putting yourself in debt when your fate is tied to a fickle corporation, but the fact is that Dell was fully aware that this would be the result. Dell can kiss my ass if they think I'll ever buy or recommend their hardware again.

Re:I thought cutting taxes saved Ireland! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31872056)

While I agree with your points and sentiment, I would ask you one thing: What other for profit company wouldn't do the same thing Dell did? HP? In a heartbeat. IBM? You know it. Unfortunately, the push of profit for investors and C-level job holders causes this type of situation far more often than we'd like to see.

Re:Not a major problem! (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871154)

Why would any sensible person opt to tackle hard problems(especially hard problems that might involve saying upsetting things: for instance "the arse falling out of the property market" almost certainly means that past politicians, and lucky investors, rode a speculative wave, and you are the poor bastard who either has to say "Sorry suckers, it was all a bubble." and get ripped apart by people who believe that they have a natural right to ever-increasing property values, or try to prop up the bubble just a bit longer with some ridiculous tax-credit scheme.) when they could "tackle" easy but emotionally salient ones?

Re:Not a major problem! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31872140)

That is the longest effing sentence I have ever read!

Re:Not a major problem! (2, Insightful)

Nathrael (1251426) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871208)

Well - your country's ruling party is called Fianna Fail for a reason :P .

The Irish fear Nigerian scammers (3, Funny)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870788)

They're always trying to steal their Lucky Charms.

Enough. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870802)

It is the duty of all those who value freedom of speech online to oppose censorship, however well intentioned it may be.

Re:Enough. (1)

troll8901 (1397145) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871500)

One day, somebody's got to make a stand. One day, somebody's got to say, enough.

Asinine... (3, Insightful)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870824)

Each religion blasphemes the deities of the others, even in subtle ways. Muslims blaspheme Jesus Christ by denying his divinity to Christians. Christians blaspheme Yaweh in the eyes of the Jews by calling Jesus his son. Both blaspheme Allah in the eyes of the Muslim by most of their beliefs about Mohamed and their religious texts.

Re:Asinine... (5, Interesting)

john83 (923470) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871004)

Each religion blasphemes the deities of the others, even in subtle ways. Muslims blaspheme Jesus Christ by denying his divinity to Christians. Christians blaspheme Yaweh in the eyes of the Jews by calling Jesus his son. Both blaspheme Allah in the eyes of the Muslim by most of their beliefs about Mohamed and their religious texts.

Yeah, we know [atheist.ie] .

Re:Asinine... (2, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871104)

A little thing called "truth" gets in the way of a lot of this.

For instance, if you examine the truthful historical record, Mohammed was a rapist, murderer, pedophile, and habitual liar. In other words, one hell of a politician. He also REDUCED, rather than enhanced, womens' rights in the region (they never fess up to the fact that his first wife was a "MILF" widow who owned and ran her own business, was more than a decade his senior, and basically married him because she was tired of not gettin' any and wanted a boytoy... when he was done it's lucky if a woman gets $10 and isn't beaten to a bloody pulp when she gets "divorced" by her Muslim Hubby).

LDS/Mormon "prophet" Joseph Smith? Yeah. Saw himself as a "prophet" similar to Jesus, but when the angry villagers were at his door, he whipped out a "pepperbox" gun and started blasting. How jesuslike.

L. Ron Hubbard? The term "delusional psychopath" seems to apply quite well. The lies told about him by his follower can easily fill at least one book [wikipedia.org] if not many, many more [amazon.com] .

7th day Adventists? How many times have you freaks predicted the end of the world only to realize your "prophets" are a load of hooey, anyways? Great scam to get donations, though, get people to sell everything off and donate you the money figuring they won't need it after the Rapture anyways...

Re:Asinine... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871570)

You know, for full picture you should include at the least Jesus or deity from Old Testament...why you chose not to?

Re:Asinine... (3, Informative)

koiransuklaa (1502579) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871862)

Your post stands generally speaking but referring to "the truthful historical record" with regards to Muhammad is a bit weird. Historical records from the pre-Islamic period are rare and quite unreliable: they mostly give us insight on what was considered a somewhat plausible story at the time. Records from the islamic time are better (although still fairly few) but as Muhammad was such a hot topic, their reliability is quite suspect as well.

Re:Asinine... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871646)

Ahh, I missed good old MAD ;>

(well, won't really happen...most religions seem to be recently in informal cease fire; most survivable state given the circumstances)

Ireland is a banana republic (3, Interesting)

Handbrewer (817519) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870838)

And I'm not kidding, I live here at the moment, although I come from mainland Europe. This country is backwards. Think 1940es style, backwards.

I dont know why that is, perhaps its the general repression during British rule, the famine, the isolation from europe, and the dominance of the catholic church, but its so conservative you wouldnt believe it. Women have to go on special ferries to get abortions in the UK - and they risk all kinds of hell if anyone reports it back home. I see teenage mothers all over the place and every day theres new details about the catholic church raping (literally) the entire society. And on top of that, the last 3 taoiseachs has been openly corrupt, and probably longer back than that.

Oh well, atleast the pubs are OK.

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870864)

I guess the USA is banana republic as well... you can't get a legal abortion there either.

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870910)

I am pretty sure that is wrong, at least for some parts of the US.
I was just watching a new show showing a group of Catholics saying they would have to stage a civil war to stop the abortions.

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871260)

Let's just rephrase that statement and see if it still passes muster:

"I guess the USA is banana republic as well... you can't legally murder infants there either."

And sadly, you are completely wrong. Try thinking about your beliefs for a change, and ask yourself every once in a while if they actually correspond with the observable world. Some of us find it appalling that a so-called civilized society would sanction the wholesale slaughter of poor minority or handicapped children. It is you who are backwards in your thinking, sir - still clinging to the failed ideas of the American Eugenics movement (from which Adolf Hitler ironically found "expert" support for his ideological filth on racial purity).

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871346)

Not true at all, fortunately.

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (1)

Krahar (1655029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870968)

every day theres new details about the catholic church raping (literally) the entire society.

No.

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870972)

I'm confused... i could have sworn that women got regular ferries, or more commonly flew. (not many abortion clinics in holyhead)

Also... none of the Taoiseachs were openly corrupt, just secretly corrupt like every other head of state.

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (1)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870996)

That's global warming for you!

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871172)

And I'm not kidding, I live here at the moment, although I come from mainland Europe. This country is backwards. Think 1940es style, backwards.

I dont know why that is, perhaps its the general repression during British rule, the famine, the isolation from europe, and the dominance of the catholic church, but its so conservative you wouldnt believe it. Women have to go on special ferries to get abortions in the UK - and they risk all kinds of hell if anyone reports it back home. I see teenage mothers all over the place and every day theres new details about the catholic church raping (literally) the entire society. And on top of that, the last 3 taoiseachs has been openly corrupt, and probably longer back than that.

Oh well, atleast the pubs are OK.

Special ferries? They're regular ferries you tit, it's the easiest way to get to England from certain places. And "all kinds of hell"? No one cares if they get an abortion, it's there own business. The laws on abortion are going to changed in the near future. The Catholic church paedophilia thing is bad in Ireland, but it's just as bad in other countries, Germany for example.

Our politicians are corrupt though, which sucks ass.

Long story short, our country's doing shit, but saying it's like the 1940's is ridiculous.

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (1)

Kamien (1561193) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871816)

Special ferries? They're regular ferries you tit, it's the easiest way to get to England from certain places. And "all kinds of hell"? No one cares if they get an abortion, it's there own business.

No one cares? Sure... Just one case from top of my head: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/mhausnojmhey/ [irishexaminer.com] http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0501/abortion.html [www.rte.ie] 1940s? Hell yeah - more often than you think. Unfortunately.. :( Regards

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871232)

Where to begin, you're not kidding, you're misinformed or openly lying/ flaming.
1940es where exactly?
the isolation from Europe... since the volcano?
The teeenage mothers are either protesting the dominance of the catholic church, or simply can't find the special ferries.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/literally/ [wiktionary.org]
You're a tool

Re:Ireland is a banana republic (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871340)

the last 3 taoiseachs has been openly corrupt

that'll teach you guys not to mess with higher order dimensionality. its NOT to be messed with, I tell you! 3 dimensions should be enough for anyone.

as an american (-1, Troll)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870844)

with all the censor-happy news from australia, ireland, etc:

its just nice to know we are not the only country plagued by social conservative morons who wish to police our thoughts

social conservatives: you are a bunch of low iq hypocrites who don't understand human nature. this is unilaterally true no matter what religion or nationality you are. all human societies would improve were you to just fucking disappear somehow

social conservatives are the back end of the bell curve of human social intelligence and while i am a believer in freedom of expression and as a nonhypocrite i cannot support censoring you even though my complete lack of respect for you and high levels of disgust for social conservativism is off the charts, i can still express my withering hatred for social conservatism (since i live in a liberal western democracy that is not dominated by you retards): eat a bag of dicks and die you fucking twatstains

Erin Go Blech! (1)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870850)

Ireland's new national campaign sticker:


The Internet: Not Magically Delicious

Dear Ireland, (5, Insightful)

idontgno (624372) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870880)

God doesn't need your help. He's a big God, and can take care of Himself. If someone insults Him online, don't you think He can deal with the offender as he pleases without your worthless help?

This is why, IMHO, one of the strongest tenets of true faith truly held is separation of church and state.

If someone insults Him online, don't you think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871492)

Smite me! Almighty Smiter!

Slipping in to another dark ages (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870894)

Anyone see the world slipping in to another dark ages, one country at a time? Sure, censoring the internet itself isn't worth getting that worked up over, but the motivation behind it and the goals that they home to achieve are nothing short of distressing.

How long before certain books are outlawed?

Re:Slipping in to another dark ages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870978)

Because prior to the public availability of the internet we lived in a world without electricity and and no other forms of publically accessable non-religious media.

Re:Slipping in to another dark ages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871766)

Absolutely, it's happened before, no reason it can't happen again.

When the government pays stupid people to produce more stupid people, they're going to be happy to do so.

The problem with filtering is that it does nothing (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870908)

The problem is that no filtering system in use (or suggested by) any government anywhere in the world will stop the hardcore pedophiles from accessing their encrypted dark-nets and p2p networks where they get all their child porn from.

Show me a filtering system that even attempts to block the real sources of Child Pornography and maybe I will listen to governments trying to push it.
Until then, forget about it :)

Re:The problem with filtering is that it does noth (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871938)

The problem is the principle. The lack of ineffectiveness is only one of the jewels in that crown of total failure.

Re:The problem with filtering is that it does noth (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871980)

lack of ineffectiveness

Note to self: proof-reading is not for chumps.

hilerious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870928)

obviously censoring the internet helps keep
citizens dumb.
obviously EDUCATING children is a bad thing.

Re:hilerious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871512)

obviously EDUCATING children is a bad thing.

Ummm, this is a little awkward, but you might want to spell check your subject line...

Responsibility (1)

Derosian (943622) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870938)

Is anyone else totally not surprised that Ireland parent's don't want the responsibility of taking care of their children themselves and would rather have the government do it. This very type of legislature made me think Australians have no sense of personal responsibility for their children, and would rather have the government just fix the problem instead of actually using parenting skills.

Joe Biden the cheapskate... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31870950)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/15/obamas-earned-55-million-2009b/ [washingtontimes.com]

LOL, pathetic. I made less than a third of what the Bidens did, yet I gave more than double what they did to charity. Why give to charity when you're busy remaking the government into a charity and making its citizens too poor to give their money away, eh?

A Little Primer on Ireland (4, Interesting)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870958)

There is one thing people from other countries--especially the US--really need to understand about Ireland.

In Ireland, we do not really have laws. What we have are more like customs.

Now, it's customary for the Dail (Parliment) to pass the odd few reasonable laws, and its customary for the population to--more or less--abide by them. It's also customary at times, for the sake of appearances or to placate foreign interests, for the Dail to pass unreasonable, unpopular or at times ludicrous laws (e.g. blasphemy). On such occasions, it's customary for the population(and indeed the State) to completely ignore the laws as they are passed.

If you want an example of this, there's a story in the same newspaper about Ireland's oldest gay bar [irishtimes.com] , which opened while homosexuality was still actually illegal in the country. While it may have been illegal, no one was actually going to waste their time dealing with it.

Despite this however, I imagine that internet censorship will eventually be implemented in Ireland as it has been in the UK and Australia, and in Saudi Arabia and China. The technologies developed by the west to oppress those in other countries are being turned back on its own apathetic populations. We've only ourselves to blame.

That's cool. (0, Flamebait)

FatSean (18753) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871044)

Sadly, it doesn't work this way in the US. Once the absurd laws are passed, the fat and stupid "salt of the earth" enjoy trying to get victims prosecuted under those laws. While they bitch about the taxes they pay.

Re:A Little Primer on Ireland (1)

imakemusic (1164993) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871122)

Unless I've missed something UK internet isn't censored, just monitored and recorded.

They don't stop you doing bad things, they just watch you do it.

The perverts.

Re:A Little Primer on Ireland (2, Interesting)

garyok (218493) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871374)

Not yet - wait until the Digital Economy Bill kicks in in about a year and all sorts of sites start falling off the net because they enabled 'copyright infringement'. And that's forgetting the efforts by the Internet Watch Foundation trying to get sites blocked for teh kiddehs. Damn, I'm thinking of starting a Stay the Fuck Out of Other People's Business Party. That's change you can believe in.

Re:A Little Primer on Ireland (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871634)

Actually the UK internet is censored by some ISP's. There is a voluntary scheme where ISP's block sites on the IWF [iwf.org.uk] list (Internet Watch Foundation). Only the IWF and the Home Secretary know the contents of the IWF list. I believe even elected Members of Parliament are not allowed to look at the list.

IWF does NOT have a license to look at kiddy porn, but by some strange magic they manage to work out the sites to block. Oh and the Home Secretary can add any other sites he/she desires.

Re:A Little Primer on Ireland (3, Informative)

bigdaisy (30400) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871344)

for the sake of appearances or to placate foreign interests

The blasphemy law was passed because the constitution prohibits blasphemy and requires that laws be passed to enforce that prohibition. Nothing had been done about this for decades and nobody cared. The government suddenly decided that someone might take a case against them for failure to legislate for blasphemy, so we got this law that was described as being a trivial law to tie up a few constitutional loose ends and sure the fine is only E100,000! Of course, the proper solution would have been to change the constitution, but...well...down with that sort of thing!

mokery (1)

kikito (971480) | more than 4 years ago | (#31870986)

Irish people, consider yourself mocked by me.

Re:mokery (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871124)

They're censored, and cannot see your mockery.

This be good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871054)

There be too much content on the internet that doesn't involve drunken brawling.

It's about time the government did something about this.

The Blasphemy law isn't a real law (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871080)

The blasphemy law wasn't passed because we're against blasphemy, it's because we're lazy.

Someone in the Dail(parliament) read the constitution, saw that blasphemy was a crime but there was no punishment associated with it, this meant our constitution wasn't valid, so we needed to come up with a law quick.

Why didnt they just scrap the law? Because that would involve a re-evaluation of the constitution, which would mean we'd have to take out/re-word all the bits that's involve God, who is practically a main character in the irish constitution. Ireland isnt a purely Catholic country anymore and that stuff is incredibly outdated and often times non-sensical, so it would have to go. This would take forever to do and we're far too lazy to do it, so in the end they just made a BS law.

It's impossible to get fined/arrested based on it, you could wheel around a statue of Moses made out of bacon while dressed as the one true, homoerotic Christ and nothing would happen, apart from a few funny looks.

In essence, the blasphemy law is a dirty hack to make the Irish constitution work.

Re:The Blasphemy law isn't a real law (2, Insightful)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871438)

Why didn't they make the maximum penalty a severe telling off?

Re:The Blasphemy law isn't a real law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871718)

That's what they want you to think. The reality is that most governments work hard to get enough laws so that they have something on everyone. That's how they keep the powah, man.

Typical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871120)

Well it's not really that surprising. When the free state was founded there was a serious attempt to ban foreign music in this country, currently internet and phone records can be seized by the Gardi(Irish police) and the Army without a warrant and we have a long and vibrant history of censorship. They don't even keep a record of how many times the army seizes records. In the first year of having these powers the Gardi seized 10,000 records yet not a single case was forwarded to the DPP as a result. This latest proposal is just what I'd expect from the idiots running this country. By extension most of this country are idiots because they keep voting them back in no matter how corrupt, incompetent (nobody does incompetent like the Irish government) or plain stupid they are.

This latest measure comes from a minister for justice who doesn't live in that place we like to call planet earth and spends most of his time holidaying in fairyland, he has enacted a number of knee jerk laws and measures simply to appeal to public opinion in the most reckless and ethically bankrupt manner.

One might say, ah well at least he's not flying around in the state helicopter to open off licenses in small towns. No he's not, that'd be the minister for health.

We need to dissolve our entire government and start again.

Goddamn, now they take mah Internets! christ. (4, Funny)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871136)

So I would basically last about 3 minutes in Ireland before being locked up. Look, I had a lovely dinner, and all I said was "that piece of halibut was fit for Jehova."

Re:Goddamn, now they take mah Internets! christ. (1)

troll8901 (1397145) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871708)

Blasphemy! Lock him up! Look, he even admitted it!

(And stop bothering me with these "movie" and "Monty Python" nonsense!)

Blasphemy a crime? (1, Redundant)

SAN1701 (537455) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871214)

But all I said to my wife was "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!"

Re:Blasphemy a crime? (1)

koiransuklaa (1502579) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871966)

You said Jehovah again! Stone him!

Fuck the pope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871390)

Fuck the pope! Let's see you censor that, you Fenian bastards!

Play them all against each other (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31871422)

So many governments want to censor. What interests me, though, is that most of them want to censor differerent things.

I think one great way to handle this, would be to complain loudly about other countries' censorship (*something has to be done!") and be discretely silent about your own. We need to set things up so that those other counties' censorship has no chance of working and that there are not any possible means for it for be enforced, even with court orders. The fact that this could work both ways .. well, let's not talk about that until after it's implemented and too late to stop. ;-)

The opposite approach is for governments with really different outlooks and goals, to band together against all the people of the world. (We see a form of this with ACTA, but with limited (or is it?) scope.) The U.S. might not want to back Saudi Arabia's censorship policies and Germany might not want to back Ireland's, but they would have to do so in order to lock down speech enough to enforce their own censorship policy. If they go that way, then the thing for the people to do, is loudly rail on how their own government is implementing that other policy. Australians might be fanatically anti-sex, but the people ought to be talking about how their government is fighting blasphemy (Ireland's values). Ireland might be fanatically anti-religious-freedom, but they ought to be talking about how their government is fighting political expression (Germany's values). And so on. Keep using the other guy's weirdo hangups to show the absurdity of your own guy's hangups, because your own guy's hangups seem so reasonable and popular, locally. Don't let 'em get away with it.

So, as a US guy, I say, "go Ireland!" My government will either now have to help us build an uncensorable internet, or else they are violating the 1st amendment by backing Ireland. Thank you, Ireland.

Shards and Fardles! (1)

PSandusky (740962) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871448)

Anne McCaffrey wasn't happy enough with sending out Jay Katz just to hound the fans that posted dragonrider drawings...! Moreta save us all!

Doing the Vatican Rag (1)

JThaddeus (531998) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871626)

Blasphemy?! What next, burning witches? These people call themselves a modern, western society? Primitive, superstitious a**holes is more like it. I guess Tom Lehrer is gonna be banned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0 [youtube.com]

Ireland May Be Next To Censor the Internet (1)

obyom (999186) | more than 4 years ago | (#31871872)

"the documents requested under the Freedom of Information were denied"

Isn't that phrase kind of an oxymoron? Or do oxymora have to be nouns?

Censorship is a global problem... in SlashDot too. (0, Offtopic)

viraltus (1102365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31872054)

There are always self-righteous people setting their moral standards above everyone else and punishing those that disagree with them... This site is no exception with its despicable Taliban censors modding anyone they dislike or disagree with.

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