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Fraud Fighter "Bobbear" To Close Up Shop

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the one-of-the-good-guys dept.

Crime 61

Krebsonsecurity.com has a writeup on the decision of UK anti-fraud activist site bobbear.co.uk to retire from the fray. The 66-year-old fraud fighter said he was getting too old for the work, which takes him about 15 hours a day. "We had so many messages of thanks, and congratulations on the site, but it is so stressful and takes so much out of you, and there is always the worry of litigation hanging over your head." "The owner and curator of bobbear.co.uk, a site that specializes in exposing Internet fraud scams and phantom online companies, announced Saturday that he will be shuttering the site at the end of April. Bobbear and its companion site bobbear.com are creations of [the pseudonomous] Bob Harrison, a 66-year-old UK resident who for the last four years has tirelessly chronicled and exposed a myriad of fraud and scam Web sites. The sites, which are well-indexed by Google and other search engines and receive about 2,000 hits per day, often are among the first results returned in a search for the names of fly-by-night corporations advertised in spam and aimed at swindling the unsuspecting or duping the unwitting." Any ideas on who might want to take over the domains and carry on the work would be appreciated by the Internet community at large.

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Go wiki (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31883934)

Any ideas on who might want to take over the domains and carry on the work would be appreciated by the Internet community at large.

Turn it into a moderated wiki. Allow interested parties to post, and a queue of submissions from forwarded emails to be reviewed. Like the slashdot of the spam underworld. :|

Re:Go wiki (4, Funny)

dmomo (256005) | more than 4 years ago | (#31883968)

> Like the slashdot of the spam underworld.
Wait. Don't you want to encourage people to actually review the proposed scam site before posting their opinions?

--- I didn't rtfa

Re:Go wiki (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884020)

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Re:Go wiki (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884134)

Fuckin' awesome!! Where do I sign up?

That's some funny shit..

Re:Go wiki (1)

Philip_the_physicist (1536015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31885664)

You know, this might be one of those rare occasions where GNAA copypasta is actually almost relevant. If the parent had posted his comment in reply to the GGP instead of the GP, and had left off the bottom half, he might have got himself a +2 or +3 Funny. OTOH, I suppose if he was intelligent, he wouldn't be in the GNAA.

Re:Go wiki (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31890976)

Any ideas on who might want to take over the domains and carry on the work would be appreciated by the Internet community at large.

Turn it into a moderated wiki. Allow interested parties to post, and a queue of submissions from forwarded emails to be reviewed. Like the slashdot of the spam underworld. :|

There is a company that may be interested since is working on the Web Veracity project. http://veraciousentropy.com/solutions.html

Consumers Union (4, Interesting)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#31883958)

Any ideas on who might want to take over the domains and carry on the work would be appreciated by the Internet community at large.

Sounds like something that the Consumers Union [consumersunion.org] might want to take a look at.
They publish Consumer Reports and recently acquired The Consumerist website. [consumerist.com]

Uh? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31883986)

Does a bobbear shit in the woods?

Re:Uh? (4, Funny)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884854)

Does a bobbear shit in the woods?

I'm not sure. But if you're a scammer he will happily pee in your revenue stream...

Re:Uh? (1)

plover (150551) | more than 4 years ago | (#31889272)

Does a bobbear shit in the woods?

I'm not sure. But if you're a scammer he will happily pee in your revenue stream...

Remind me not to phish in that stream!

2000 hits a day (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884028)

Not that I'm trying to run this guy down but 2000 hits a day is pretty small site. The /b/tards on 4chan have probably done more to combat online scams.

Re:2000 hits a day (2)

Redlazer (786403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884060)

But it is still a respectable amount of traffic.

Re:2000 hits a day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884144)

2000 hits a day is nothing. 2000 page views a day is a successful hobby site. ("Hits" counts every file, "page views" only counts HTML files.)

Re:2000 hits a day (1)

Nasajin (967925) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884290)

Given that,

The fraud fighter said he plans to spend his upcoming free time finishing a house he started building in 1999, and spending more time with his wife and family, which includes two cats and three geese.

he seems to be doing pretty well for a man that has been living in a half complete house for over a decade, especially considering he must spend a fair amount of time separating the constant warner-bros-esque geese/cat fights that must constantly break out.

Re:2000 hits a day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884300)

The /b/tards on 4chan have probably done more to combat online scams.

God, don't encourage them, please.
They'll all cream their pants at the thought of being mentioned on here.

Re:2000 hits a day (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884460)

Meh, 4chan was better when it was a secret internet club-house, and Anonymous was better when it was my personal army. That's why I prefer fchan [fchan.us] .

Re:2000 hits a day (1)

Cjstone (1144829) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884606)

The above is most definitely a troll. However, if you don't know what fchan is by now, you deserve the horror that lies on the other end of that link.

Re:2000 hits a day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31886460)

Hardly a horrific site. Rather gentle and dainty, in fact, compared to e.g. Ogrish back in the day.

I have an idea! (2, Funny)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884034)

I'll buy the domain and build up a business on it. I have a great way to get potential new employees too. I'll simply find 5 people and tell them about this awesome opportunity to do good for the general world. They can each pay me $50 to be part of this opportunity, but don't worry they can quickly recoup their costs. All they need to do is go out and find 10 more employees each and get them all to sign up for $50. They can keep 5% of whatever joining fee that gets paid. Then those people can each find another 10 people.... Soon I shall use my newly recuirted army to fight fraud!

Re:I have an idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884090)

I would like to join. Sincerely yours, Ida Dumbass

Obvious answer ... (2, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884036)

Any ideas on who might want to take over the domains

"Hello, I represent Mr. Kopyambi, who died recently and left $28 million unclaimed. If you wish to claim a portion of this amount as a handling fee, just set the domain name administrator to Pytor Molotov, Russian Business Network, St. Petersburg"

Any of the following.... (5, Informative)

reverendbeer (1496637) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884042)

...could take it over: www.scamwarners.com, www.scamorama.com, www.419eater.com, or www.aa419.org. They've already proven their worth on the anti-scam front and have people that can keep it current.

Re:Any of the following.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884130)

419eater is a poor excuse for racism: a photo gallery of blacks in a culture completely apart from our own being humiliated for our amusement. This is about as effective in stopping scam e-mails as the odd characters at perverted-justice are at stopping "grooming" of kids.

Re:Any of the following.... (1)

spedrosa (44674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884310)

419eater is a poor excuse for racism: a photo gallery of blacks in a culture completely apart from our own being humiliated for our amusement. This is about as effective in stopping scam e-mails as the odd characters at perverted-justice are at stopping "grooming" of kids.

Just because most of these scams originate from Nigeria and other african countries. People from the african subcontinent tend do be... black. You do the math.

What, you expected to see a gallery of busty nordic women?

Re:Any of the following.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884704)

Just because most of these scams originate from Nigeria and other african countries. People from the african subcontinent tend do be... black. You do the math.

What, you expected to see a gallery of busty nordic women?

A guy can dream, can't he?

Re:Any of the following.... (1)

Philip_the_physicist (1536015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31885674)

african subcontinent

ITYmightM sub-Saharan Africa, or the African continent (in which case, why not just say Africa?)

I don't normally pick on people for small errors like that, but sometimes one has to wonder what the logic behind it was.

Re:Any of the following.... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884742)

You are a real douche. When you look at a line up of Euro faces, all charged and/or convicted of crime, do you think "racism"? If you see a page on a Chinese site that lists the crimes of a bunch of Chinamen, do you think "racism"? In the case of 419 scams, the huge majority of perpetrators happen to be black people. So - they get their pics on the internet, along with a description of their crimes. Racism?

Douche bag. Get a life. They are posted online, not because they are black, but because they are scammers.

Re:Any of the following.... (1)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 4 years ago | (#31885376)

Also, Dude..."Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

Re:Any of the following.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31885430)

Ok... How about Chinese, since he did specify criminals in China... or is everyone automagically a hyphenated American?

Re:Any of the following.... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#31885558)

Well, maybe I should have said "Chinese" rather than "Chinaman". But, the term "French man" seems to be alright. Bleahh. Whatever.

But, I WAS specifically referring to Chinese people, and not to "Chinese-Americans". How did you get the idea that I was referring to immigrants to America? No hyphenations needed for people who live on their own hereditary lands, right?

Re:Any of the following.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31885648)

This PC bullshit has gotten out of hand.

"Asian American" OK, except "Asian" and "American" (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 4 years ago | (#31886836)

Also, Dude..."Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

It's hard to tell which parts of this comments are tongue-in-cheek and which are sincere.

Given this, I'll point out that many- well, actually the vast majority of- "chinamen" (whether that's an acceptable term or not) are not and have never been "American" in any sense.

It reminds me of this article [everything2.com] .

Also, while it might be *your* (i.e. Americans') socially accepted term, it's still pretty stupid- such usage of "Asian" is neither accurate nor universal. Asia is a large continent with many different peoples, and I don't see how "Asian" referring specifically to East Asians is helpful. At least the now-disliked term "oriental" was more specific in that respect.

Also, in Britain, "Asian" typically means South Asian ethnicity, i.e. from the Indian subcontinent. No more inclusive, but no less valid than the American usage- while being totally different.

It's not even like the nitpicky discussions over the term "American" that erupt periodically on Slashdot- English usage has standardised on that (cf. "North America"/"North American" and "The Americas"), which just isn't the case with "Asian".

Re:Any of the following.... (1)

eXFeLoN (954179) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884940)

I'll have to agree that it isn't racism. I was a 419eater for about a year, but it took so much time to scam the scammers. There are some really good people on that site that believe in what they are doing. Yes sometimes they are misguided, but if you can eat up the time of people who prey on the non-internet savy, the old, and yes, the stupid, you aren't a racist. All in all, I wouldn't say they are overly effective, but they are doing it for the right reasons. I just checked my email address (one of them) that I used with 419eater. It's a gmail account that I haven't looked at in almost a year. It's full. Of scams.

How about the Government? (5, Insightful)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884056)

Any ideas on who might want to take over the domains and carry on the work would be appreciated

If one man can be acknowledged by the cyber-community to make a difference, (and, in passing, hats off to him), imagine what Government could do with a well-financed team of, say, ten people?

Cyber-crime costs a hugh, and increasing, amount of money, (see comments here on /. about the true cost of spam). Unfortunately, Governments do not seem to take it seriously enough. Maybe because it rarely hits to headlines, and so is perceived as less of an issue, (i.e. vote winner). Shame.

Re:How about the Government? (5, Funny)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884098)

If one man can be acknowledged by the cyber-community to make a difference, (and, in passing, hats off to him), imagine what Government could do with a well-financed team of, say, ten people?

Hahahaha! Oh, man. You're killing me.

Re:How about the Government? (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884120)

Unfortunately, I see your point...

Re:How about the Government? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884944)

If one man can be acknowledged by the cyber-community to make a difference, (and, in passing, hats off to him), imagine what Government could do with a well-financed team of, say, ten people?

Hahahaha! Oh, man. You're killing me.

sure..

Re:How about the Government? (3, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884166)

I've noticed a lot of people don't seem to care about scammers because when they hear about it, it's presented in a way that makes the person being scammed look stupid. And a lot of times the person would have been able to avoid it if they hadn't been so greedy (especially common in 419 scams). So it's easy for people to think, "Oh, I will never fall for that trick."

And when a problem doesn't affect a person, they are less likely to want the government to do something about it.

Re:How about the Government? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884446)

As many times its not that they are 'stupid'. It is that they are greedy. There are some out there that prey on people being nice. But I would be willing to bet 99% of the scams out there are people scamming on peoples greed. People seem to turn off their 'there is something wrong here' when large sums of money are involved and they could get some. People want to get rich quick with little effort.

Now the ones who prey on someone who 'wants to help'. Well those are a different story. However I do need to ask if you are just turning over some sum of money to someone else what sort of accountability do you hold them to? If you are unwilling to make them go thru with what they said they will do or have no way to make them do it why do you give them money? It is why in many cases I do not even give to 'reputable' clearing houses such as united way. I give directly to the organization they would give the money too. The end organization gets more money and less hassle. 'but you can designate' give me a break it all ends up in some large pile of money with percentages going to different places plus some taken for 'overhead'... People who prey on my guilt are nothing more than salesmen using a sales technique that is well understood.

Re:How about the Government? (1)

Phoghat (1288088) | more than 4 years ago | (#31886246)

"to con someone they have to have a bit of larceny in their soul"

Re:How about the Government? (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 4 years ago | (#31886678)

it's presented in a way that makes the person being scammed look stupid.

That's because they are.

Re:How about the Government? (0)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884168)

Government? Ten people? My god! That would be like almost having a whole person!

Re:How about the Government? (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884254)

I see what you're saying and it sounds like:

How fucking dare anyone out there make fun of the free market after all she has been through.!

She lost her banks, she went through a crash. She has $12 billion of debt.

China turned out to be a user, a cheater, and now she's going through a custody battle. All you people care about is.. iPods and making money off of her.

SHE’S A HUMAN! (ah! ooh!) What you don’t realize is that the free market is making you all this money and all you do is write a bunch of crap about her.

She hasn’t increased employment in years. Her mantra is called “greed is good” for a reason because all you people want is MORE! MORE-MORE, MORE: MORE!.

LEAVE HER ALONE! You are lucky she even performed for you BASTARDS!
LEAVE THE FREE MARKET ALONE!..Please.

Karl Marx talked about the fall of capitalism and said if workers unite they would’ve pulled it off no matter what.

Speaking of communism, when is it communist to publicly bash someone who is going through a hard time.

Leave The Free Market Alone Please. !
Leave The Free Market alone!right now!.I mean it.!

Anyone that has a problem with her you deal with me, because she is not well right now.

LEAVE HER ALONE!

Re:How about the Government? (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884358)

No, actually I was just stereotyping the average person's impression of government bureaucrats. There's a moderator out there who felt insulted. Pfft..

Re:How about the Government? (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884424)

And I was stereotyping the average person's response to government bureaucrats... or was I?

We could team up: I could cut my hair and wear a drab suit to represent the ruthless businessman, and you could cut your hair and wear a smart suit to represent government bureaucracy. We could call ourselves... the Confusing Uniform & Motive twins. People would see us accelerating through the sky on our privately built flying car running over state owned highways and shout, "CUM, again?"

Re:How about the Government? (1)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884674)

What I'd like to see is a PenTesting-style team of white hats. These guys could set up the scams and, when they get a bite, take funds for, say, 24 hours. Then, contact the user and let them know what happened, how they did it, and what the use can do to not get taken in the future.

The system would be funded with a small percentage of the funds they take from people, say 1%. Basically, a fine; similar to a speeding ticket.

Re:How about the Government? (1)

AlphaCentauri4 (1115313) | more than 4 years ago | (#31885450)

I think every country in the world has an agency that would be an appropriate choice to take over for Bobbear's role in catologing and publicizing scams. It's called "law enforcement." Bobbear has done an invaluable service cataloging and publicizing these scams. But these are crimes that take advantage of the interconnectedness of modern banks, and the only way to effectively fight them is through cooperation of banks and law enforcement agencies around the world. They should be baiting these guys -- not to get embarrassing pictures of the scammers, but to gain intelligence on their upcoming thefts. A banking-law enforcement liaison team could set up dummy bank accounts which would sound an early warning as soon as money was transferred in. By alerting a victim's bank immediately, the scam can be aborted and the money returned before the mules' banks opened in the morning. The scammers recruit mules through spam sent to millions of recipients. It would be an easy thing to flood them with responses, so there are so many responses from undercover investigators that the scammers are unlikely to indentify real mules.

Re:How about the Government? (1)

mpe (36238) | more than 4 years ago | (#31885898)

If one man can be acknowledged by the cyber-community to make a difference, (and, in passing, hats off to him), imagine what Government could do with a well-financed team of, say, ten people?

Which would cost considerably less than the amount governments are willing to spend on "anti-terrorist" for very questionable "results".

Cyber-crime costs a hugh, and increasing, amount of money, (see comments here on /. about the true cost of spam). Unfortunately, Governments do not seem to take it seriously enough. Maybe because it rarely hits to headlines, and so is perceived as less of an issue, (i.e. vote winner).

Indeed anti spam/scam would make a lot more sense to be in the ACTA treaty than lots of the stuff currently in there which has nothing much to do with "Counterfeiting".

Re:How about the Government? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31887574)

Governments take it seriously. You hear people in the US government going on all the time about how they need warrantless tapping of communications, retention of records of all communications, the right to monitor everyone anyone is doing online all the time... Oh, yeah, you meant something to actually help people avoid being victimized instead of just ways to victimize them and violate their rights. Hmm, yeah, I don't think the US government is actually interested in that.
I think part of the problem is that the US government automatically sides with any entity with the appearance of some sort of corporate authority. The business of America is Business and all that. So computer-virus producing racketeers like the winantivirus (and the thousands of other names they go by) people get to accept credit card transactions through US-based credit card companies rather than having all their assets frozen and being aggressively hunted down. This despite the fact that they produce one of the biggest virus products out there, infect peoples systems, and then charge them to buy a bogus antivirus product to "remove" itself. So, because they pretend to be a legitimate company and dress themselves up with professional looking logos and graphics, etc. they aren't prosecuted for the existing laws they're breaking. Instead, the US wants to create all kinds of new laws criminalizing all kinds of things that have never been crimes before to go after individuals.

Re:How about the Government? (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 4 years ago | (#31888272)

imagine what Government could do with a well-financed team of, say, ten people?

Ten government employees wouldn't even be enough to keep the coffeemaker going.

How about Google (4, Insightful)

Herkum01 (592704) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884100)

Since these sites keep turning up high in the search results, it would be to their benefit if there was someone to help cleanup the mess.

'experts' differ on health risk of volcanic ash (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884122)

the 'experts' should be prompted to inhale some sulfur dioxide to get a more accurate take on any risks.

you have the right to remain silent.

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The greatest fighter of scams... (3, Funny)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884174)

...that I never heard of.

If We Had Tort Reform... (2, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884222)

If we had lawsuit protection and a loser pays rule it would be a lot harder to threaten these sites with frivolous lawsuits. Especially if a judge ruled that you had to put up a bond to pay in the event you lost before you were allowed to file. You can argue the other way that this denies the poor justice, but the current system is crap to innocent defendants.

Re:If We Had Tort Reform... (2, Interesting)

Philip_the_physicist (1536015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31885720)

Maybe a reasonable small step towards such a system would be to provide a public defender for anyone who wants one if they are sued, whom you only have to pay if you lose. The problem with loser pays without some fairness rules is that a big business could hire a large team of expensive barristers, safe in the knowledge that if they win, they won;t have to pay them, and any poor defendant won't risk a trial even if the actual damages sought are tiny, because they would get hammered by the lawyers fees. To make it fair, the legal costs should be limited to, say, the same as the damages sought, or perhaps some sub-linear function of the damages, with some minimum value to make small claims still worthwhile.

Google? (1)

nickdwaters (1452675) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884296)

I suppose it wouldn't make sense for Google to take some responsibility for essentially aiding and abetting this activity. Turning a blind eye to abuse would be akin to that.

Re:Google? (2, Insightful)

troll8901 (1397145) | more than 4 years ago | (#31885586)

I'm pretty sure Google has an anti-fraud team behind the scenes.

1. Search for, e.g., "Healthcare Payments Inc", and the first few search results link to anti-fraud pages (Bobbear). There's no link to the scam's website.

2. Granted, it can do better with "Harper Logistic", but there's still no link to the scam's website.

3. "This site may harm your computer."

4. Red and grey page in Firefox, with a huge warning. (Thanks, Mozilla!)

5. Others that we don't see.

The efforts may mostly be done by other people (domain registries, browser developers, fighters like "Bob Harrison", etc.), but that doesn't mean Google doesn't do anything.

Nice layout. (1)

Akira Kogami (1566305) | more than 4 years ago | (#31884400)

That site sure as hell was designed by a 66 year old.

fagorZ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31884656)

users. Surpr1se ARGUED BY ERIC includes where you

I'll take the domain over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31885116)

I'm probably too lazy to continue the fine work this guy's been doing, but I promise not to put up pictures of women being raped a la Ask Jeeves' retirement domain. That's gotta be worth something, right?

Consumers Union (1)

clint999 (1277046) | more than 4 years ago | (#31885616)

What I'd like to see is a PenTesting-style team of white hats. These guys could set up the scams and, when they get a bite, take funds for, say, 24 hours. Then, contact the user and let them know what happened, how they did it, and what the use can do to not get taken in the future.The system would be funded with a small percentage of the funds they take from people, say 1%. Basically, a fine; similar to a speeding ticket.
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