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Volcanic Ash Heading Towards North America

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the no-can-spell-check-that dept.

Canada 338

chocomilko writes "St. John's International Airport, the easternmost airport in Canada, has begun canceling flights due to worries of ash from Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano, leaving travelers stranded after the weekend's Juno awards festival. Early reports stated that there was a 30% chance ash would reach the island by early Monday; Air Canada has issued an all-day travel advisory. A thick blanket of fog currently covering the city isn't helping matters, either."

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Blame Canada! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894710)

This is all Saddam's fault, trying to escape from Hell and head back to Canada.

News Flash(es) (4, Informative)

TrisexualPuppy (976893) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895222)

Here's a good, up-to-date list of eruptions [wikipedia.org] in 2010. Updated fairly frequently, so it should give travelers a little insight before it hits the main media.

How long till the Tea partiers blame Obama? (-1, Troll)

yossarianuk (1402187) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894720)

I'm just waiting now for Fox/Glen Beck,etc to blame Obama in some way for this.....

Re:How long till the Tea partiers blame Obama? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894758)

Kind of like everyone blamed Bush for anything that happened in the previous 8 years? Including a few hurricanes?

Re:How long till the Tea partiers blame Obama? (5, Insightful)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895122)

Kind of like everyone blamed Bush for anything that happened in the previous 8 years? Including a few hurricanes?

No one blamed bush for Hurricane Katrina. Just for sitting on his ass when it hit, for appointing unqualified and flagrantly incompetent butt-buddies, excuse me, political henchmen to run FEMA, and for deliberately underfunding and eviscerating FEMA and nearly every other non-military federal agency in order to deliberately make them incapable of carrying out their mandate. Which worked brilliantly in his war against "big government", until we actually needed that government to rescue tens of thousands of people.

Then we got our act together, at many times the expense, and with many times the casualties, than it would have entailed if a competent president had appointed a competent leader of FEMA, and not gutted the agency of funds and logistical support.

And yes, everyone (except the hard-core right) quite correctly blames him for that. And the illegal war he started, and the financial implosion that was a direct result of Republican lassaiz-faire bank regulation (and which the Republicans are trying to continue today by filibustering any meaningful bank reform).

It's bad enough they do these things and then try to make us feel bad for pointing out the error of their ways. It's even more disburbing how utterly incapable of learning from their mistakes, and correcting their ways, these idealogues are. They'd rather be stubbornly wrong regardless of the evidence, than have a hint of flip-flopping on an issue(what most of the rest of us would call "correcting a mistake")

Re:How long till the Tea partiers blame Obama? (-1, Redundant)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894806)

Stopping flights, all over Europe? [guardian.co.uk] Pull the other one, mate. It's got bells on it. This is another dubious modeling outcome from the MET's GIGO simulations. [rumormillnews.com]

There was only one source that managed to stop the entire air-traffic in Europe. It was a mere computer simulation that came from the same jerks who are trying to convience the public of the CO2-scam since years.

The British MET-office took some data from the first hours(!)of the outbrak -- proceeded with their usual "gigo" (garbage in -- garbage out) -- and made one of their usual "predictions" -- that rarely turns out to be reality.

During all those next days this first data-set never got adapted, updated with actual data or even checked again.

Yesterday some European airline-managers were beginning to smell the rat and undertook first test-flights -- where they experienced no harm at all.

Re:How long till the Tea partiers blame Obama? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894976)

Last I seen turn about is still fair play.

In other words, stop acting like a jackass if you don't like being jackassed on.

Re:How long till the Tea partiers blame Obama? (1, Funny)

Trent Hawkins (1093109) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895266)

I'm just waiting now for Fox/Glen Beck,etc to blame Obama in some way for this.....

Rush Limbaugh FTW [rawstory.com]

Affects on Europe (4, Informative)

Celt (125318) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894722)

Ireland's airspace as well as Englands, France, Germany, Finland etc all closed at present and has been since before the weekend, lots of people stuck in other countrys unable to get home and are trying any means available to try and get home. US/Canada will really feel it if the same thing happens. ....and people think we're not all connected in the world :)

Re:Affects on Europe (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894796)

..., lots of people stuck in other countrys unable to get home and are trying any means available to try and get home.

Exactly. Heard what John Cleese [brisbanetimes.com.au] did?

Re:Affects on Europe (4, Interesting)

Celt (125318) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894814)

Yeah heard that, these people had to buy bikes in order to board a ferry in france
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0418/breaking15.html?via=mr [irishtimes.com]

Re:Affects on Europe (1)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895256)

From the article:

One man, a British Airways gold card member, was riding a children's bicycle.

Now the real question is, did he pay the kid to give away its bike, or mug it?

In Belgium we get daily news about the grounded planes. People not being able to get back have gotten taxies from Poland to Belgium (1000km), are stuck for a week in Asia and consider a 7day-train ride back and all sorts of simular absurdities. It's been days and the people aren't refunded or offered alternative (like hotels to stay until the ashcloud clears up.)

I think people all around the world are getting creative to try to get it done, I thought the papers have started a column to collect these stories.

Re:Affects on Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894972)

He even made a film [wikipedia.org] about it (in 1986)!

Re:Affects on Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894812)

Though France has opened their airport, I believe Sweden has as well..

Re:Affects on Europe (3, Informative)

ddxexex (1664191) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894818)

Except the US's train system is nowhere as good as Europe's ... so this is going to be worse for the US if it reaches us.

Re:Affects on Europe (5, Funny)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894914)

The US train system is excellent if you are coal, or liquid polypropylene, or the like. For humans not so much.

Re:Affects on Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31895304)

Did you forget we all drive cars here?

Re:Affects on Europe (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895202)

and people think we're not all connected in the world :)

As a Mexican expat living in Germany, this made me think a bit about those Hollywood metheorite-EOW scenarios.

The thing is, if this comparatively small-scale volcanic eruption is creating all this disruption, I do not want to know what a meteorite impact will do!

So, the first thing we (humans a a whole) do is land all commercial air traffic. Then, I was thinking among the lines of (in the case of the EOW scenario) each country kicking out all of the non-citizens from the country...

Or, people (like me let's say) wanting to get to see to their family/loved ones in their home country...

That will mean a surge of demand for water transport... which anyway would take about 3 months IIRC to get from Europe to USA hoho.

Fortunately (I guess) communication channels won't be affected that much (due mainly to undersea cable) so I could always skype my Mamá!

So far, it has been funny to see the mess that the eruption has provoked. It *really* shows how all the politics/political correctness prevent things from going (some guy was reasonably whining on TV that it took 5 days to make the first agreements!). This shows how much do we still need to progress in global politics/agreements.

I ust wish this happened in ... (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894724)

the dogs days of Summer. It would have helped my A/C bill.

On another note: this must be giving the climatologists some awesome data!

That just sucks ash... eh? (4, Funny)

MeNotU (1362683) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894726)

That just sucks ash... eh?

Re:That just sucks ash... eh? (0, Redundant)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894934)

What would suck more is if it arrives on Wednesday. We'd have to call it ... wait for it ... Ash Wednesday!

There's probably a Mount St. Helens Thursday joke lurking in there too.

SIGH (2, Funny)

vikingpower (768921) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894738)

Finally. All Canucks & Americans who laughed at us Europeans now get to experience how nice it is: no hassle, quiet skies, no contrails, stay-at-home and work -- or be stranded in interesting cities at your bosses' expenses !

Re:SIGH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894780)

Finally. All Canucks & Americans who laughed at us Europeans now get to experience how nice it is: no hassle, quiet skies, no contrails, stay-at-home and work -- or be stranded in interesting cities at your bosses' expenses !

Tis no laughing matter on this side of the Atlantic, but I see your point otherwise :-)

Who laughed? (2, Informative)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894846)

I didn't laugh. I was actually a little envious because you Europeans can get on a train and get home - if home is on the continent.

If we in the US have this problem, it's means renting a car to get home and all the hassles with dealing with that - our passenger rail is a complete joke outside of the North East corridor.

Re:Who laughed? (4, Funny)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894978)

We have passenger rail outside the northeast. You just rent a car, drive 90 miles to the depot, arrive near your destination, rent another car to drive 90 miles to your home. What could be easier? ;)

Re:Who laughed? (2, Insightful)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895260)

We have passenger rail outside the northeast. You just rent a car, drive 90 miles to the depot, arrive near your destination, rent another car to drive 90 miles to your home. What could be easier? ;)

You forgot the one hour plus lay overs like in Atlanta and other parts while the freight trains roll past and you wait for a connecting train.

I guess it beats walking.

Re:SIGH (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894910)

No laughing here, just a bunch of "that really sucks" type comments. We have been seeing a number of stories about Americans stuck in Europe and how the locals have been extremely welcoming and helping while they hang out, in limbo.

I'm in the midwest, though. We're use to dust clouds from the farmers prepping their fields. My car stays clean for about 2 hours after I wash it before it has a thin lair of dust covering it. I was smart this time and bought a dust colored vehicle.

Re:SIGH (5, Insightful)

sizzzzlerz (714878) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894946)

I think we here in the US have had that experience not too long ago. Not to be overly grim here, but the week after 9/11, there were no planes flying in the skies above the US. Not hearing the planes landing and taking off at a near-by major airport nor seeing them high in the sky flying into other airports in the region was pretty odd.

Re:SIGH (5, Interesting)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895178)

What is so odd to me is that many Europeans thought that Americans were laughing at them because the volcano interupted their air travel. I don't know anyone who thought that was funny at all. Do Europeans really think that we are that petty?

Re:SIGH (1, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894952)

Finally. All Canucks & Americans who laughed at us Europeans now get to experience how nice it is: no hassle, quiet skies, no contrails, stay-at-home and work -- or be stranded in interesting cities at your bosses' expenses !

We remember that all too well from nine and a half years ago. - 2001/09/11

Re:SIGH (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895012)

Or maybe they will do their homework and instead of having a knee-jerk reaction actually measure the ash density and determine if it's dangerous or not

I'm guessing the dangerous area is about 1/10 of what the British VAAG is saying

Re:SIGH (4, Insightful)

Tweezer (83980) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895096)

All aircraft engine manufacturers call for zero ash. I'm guessing that they figured that was the easiest thing to do as opposed to doing actual testing. Since it's never been tested properly, I wouldn't blame the governments for following the written specifications. I also doubt that any engine company is going to be willing to take on the lilability of publishing updated specifications allowing some ash.

Re:SIGH (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895154)

What's interesting is that airliners face similar conditions in the Middle East, that is, very fine SiO2 particles. And they go there every day and cope with it.

And the requirement for zero ash is fine, what's not fine is putting a blanket over all Europe saying 'there may be ash there'

Re:SIGH (4, Insightful)

varcher (156670) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895282)

determine if it's dangerous or not

Actually, the danger isn't that planes will fall out of the sky or somesuch because they've encountered some ash. The problem comes from the glass/ash mixture having a rather big effect on engines and airframes' wear-and-tear. Flying thru the ash plume probably causes 10 or more times the normal wear on engines. However, the maintenance schedules are rather inflexible on planes.

Net result? The flights won't be dangerous now. They'll be in a couple weeks/months, when you have 90% of your airplane fleet that has engine problems early, the civil aviation inspectors can't inspect them all, and the average european company becomes no more reliable than the lowliest north-african charter plane company.

Sure, they could replace all those engines earlier. If they can find some outside of the counterfeit market at reasonable prices, that is.

(short: Resuming flights before we can figure out the length of the emergency is short-term good, long-term bad)

Re:SIGH (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895132)

I don't think anybody's laughing, except the slashdot moderators.

Spellcheck fail (5, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894740)

It's Eyjafjallajökull. I barely knew which volcano you were talking about.

Re:Spellcheck fail (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894834)

It's Eyjafjallajökull. I barely knew which volcano you were talking about.


Eyjafjallajokull
Eyjafjallajökull

I barely consider the diff to be 1 letter. It actually is just two little cute dots. Stop trollin'.

And back on topic, the Brit. Navy is actually sending two warships over to the US to pick up people. I think that's pretty impressive.

Re:Spellcheck fail (4, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894966)

And back on topic, the Brit. Navy is actually sending two warships over to the US to pick up people. I think that's pretty impressive.

That's what you say now. Just wait until you hear about the "passengers" having to swab the poop deck and service the engines. Worst.cruise.ever!

Re:Spellcheck fail (3, Funny)

berashith (222128) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895204)

nice sig, but , 8)Fixed that for you ... there, fixed that for you

Re:Spellcheck fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31895226)

Just wait until you hear about the "passengers" having to swab the poop deck and service the engines.

They have a whole deck for that?!?!?

Re:Spellcheck fail (4, Funny)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894992)

And back on topic, the Brit. Navy is actually sending two warships over to the US to pick up people. I think that's pretty impressive.

After all the news about the Tea Party rallies, I'm pretty nervous about the Brits sending over warships...

Re:Spellcheck fail (1)

stjobe (78285) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895160)

And back on topic, the Brit. Navy is actually sending two warships over to the US to pick up people. I think that's pretty impressive.

"Pick up people" - yeah, right. Prepare boarding parties! Man the cannons!

Anne? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894840)

Uumellmahaye ?

Re:Spellcheck fail (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31895140)

Damn, now I have to change my email password

No surprise (0)

blai (1380673) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894746)

Looks far on a map. Actually pretty close.

Ahh, at last (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894752)

it's their turn.

bankers take on the grounded flights (4, Funny)

Xemu (50595) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894754)

This was overheard in London:

The English Banker to the Icelandic representative for Kaupthing Bank:

We said we wanted CASH... not ash!

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (5, Funny)

flex941 (521675) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894886)

Longer version:

--

Dear Iceland,

We said "send CASH".

Yours sincerely,
United Kingdom

--

Dear United Kingdom,

You should have stopped to consider that there is no letter "C" in the
Icelandic alphabet [wikipedia.org] before issuing your demand.

With best,
Iceland

--

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (4, Funny)

tpheiska (1145505) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894990)

Dear Iceland,

We said "send HASH".

Yours sincerely,
The Netherlands

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (5, Funny)

Sylver Dragon (445237) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895298)

Dear UK, You should trust our files implicitly, but here's the hash anyway:
76D08CAB8B28C5F447D47519454F0D94

Yours sincerely,
The Netherlands

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895088)

Yet it seems there is on their keyboard [wikipedia.org]

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31895274)

Well, they too have to write Computer now and then, when talking to foreigners. However it's not used in their language.

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (2, Interesting)

magnus.ahlberg (1211924) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895166)

However, it does contain the letter "Æ". Which coincidentally is called "Ash" [wikipedia.org] in English.

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (1)

codeButcher (223668) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894904)

The other part of the joke is that there is no C in the Icelandic alphabet.

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (3, Funny)

jamesh (87723) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895146)

No C? What a load of silly bunts.

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (5, Funny)

Wolvenhaven (1521217) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894906)

The economy of Iceland's last request was to have its ashes spread across Europe.

Re:bankers take on the grounded flights (1)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895172)

It is a completely understandable mistake. The Icelandic alphabet does not have the letter c.

follow up joke: (2, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895196)

the iceland economy, that died in 2008, stipulated in its last wishes that its ashes be spread over europe

The ash is getting thicker (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894760)

And Leon's getting laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarger!

A word of advice (4, Insightful)

lammy (1557325) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894762)

If this situation unfolds for Canada / North America as it has done for Europe, they may wish to revise their means of communicating cancellations to passengers. The 'marker pen on a whiteboard' technique may be suitable for a handful of flights at a small regional airport but doesn't scale very well once an entire continent's airspace has been closed. Also, the hand-drawn "Sorry" with a sad face next to each flight number will start to take on a somewhat patronising tone.

Re:A word of advice (4, Funny)

yotto (590067) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894912)

This is Canada. The "Sorry" and the frowny face are actually dictated by law.

Re:A word of advice (4, Funny)

JamesP (688957) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895054)

And don't forget the 'Desolé' since everything has to be in french. I assume they should draw a frowny face with a french hat and a cigarette as well...

Re:A word of advice (2, Funny)

epiphani (254981) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895164)

Also, the hand-drawn "Sorry" with a sad face next to each flight number will start to take on a somewhat patronising tone.

Patronizing? Really? I can't see how that would be patronizing at all. But then again, I'm a Canadian, and I'd just find that being apologetic in a friendly tone.

BBC fluoride warning (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894778)

"The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8629241.stm [bbc.co.uk]

I'm Tired of Living in Harmony with Nature (4, Funny)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894786)

How 'bout you?

Bet you're feeling real good about driving that Prius designed to be oh-so-gentle on Mother Gaia, ain'tcha?

Meanwhile, the belch from one unpronounceable volcano wipes out the cumulative effort from all of mankind over the past hundred years to purify the water and soil, and dwarfs all of our species' feeble, amateurish efforts to pollute them in the first place.

Gimme a rainforest, a chainsaw, and a case of Red Bull. It's Payback Time!

Re:I'm Tired of Living in Harmony with Nature (4, Interesting)

Marcika (1003625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894850)

How 'bout you?

Bet you're feeling real good about driving that Prius designed to be oh-so-gentle on Mother Gaia, ain'tcha?

Meanwhile, the belch from one unpronounceable volcano wipes out the cumulative effort from all of mankind over the past hundred years to purify the water and soil, and dwarfs all of our species' feeble, amateurish efforts to pollute them in the first place.

Gimme a rainforest, a chainsaw, and a case of Red Bull. It's Payback Time!

Bollocks. You overestimate the volcano. The cancelled planes would have belched out 14 times [informatio...utiful.net] more CO2 and SO2 than one pesky little volcano. Nature? Feeble, I say, bah!

Re:I'm Tired of Living in Harmony with Nature (4, Informative)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895114)

Even the comments for that link indicate that others think it is bogus, as it doesn't account for methane (a MAJOR greenhouse gas that volcanos emit) and other gases, and it has already been corrected many times. While interesting, you would have to be insane to use that data for anything important, like all Slashdot links.

Re:I'm Tired of Living in Harmony with Nature (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895188)

The planes would probably have created a lot less particulate ash, however.

Re:I'm Tired of Living in Harmony with Nature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31895112)

I say we blow up the volcanos! That'll show her!

UK MET-OFFICE (0, Flamebait)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894794)

Stopping flights, all over Europe? [guardian.co.uk] Pull the other one, mate. It's got bells on it. This is another dubious modeling outcome from the MET's GIGO simulations. [rumormillnews.com]

There was only one source that managed to stop the entire air-traffic in Europe. It was a mere computer simulation that came from the same jerks who are trying to convience the public of the CO2-scam since years.

The British MET-office took some data from the first hours(!)of the outbrak -- proceeded with their usual "gigo" (garbage in -- garbage out) -- and made one of their usual "predictions" -- that rarely turns out to be reality.

During all those next days this first data-set never got adapted, updated with actual data or even checked again.

Yesterday some European airline-managers were beginning to smell the rat and undertook first test-flights -- where they experienced no harm at all.

Re:UK MET-OFFICE (2, Funny)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895070)

"Stopping flights, all over Europe? [guardian.co.uk] Pull the other one, mate."

It's an International Railway Conspiracy.

Re:UK MET-OFFICE (3, Insightful)

TheCowSaysMooNotBoo (997535) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895078)

How do the Finnish airplanes [flightglobal.com] fit in? It's all nice and dinky until an airplane experiences motor failure and it plummets down an urban center, right?

Re:UK MET-OFFICE (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895292)

That's why we call his sort "denialists" - they'll angrily deny anything that conflicts with their world-view.

Quite distinct from skeptics.

Re:UK MET-OFFICE (1)

Xelios (822510) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895246)

Isn't this a case of "better safe than sorry"? Even if 99% of flights could resume with no problems at all, who's responsible for the 1% that run into serious trouble? Given that we're talking about tens of thousands of flights per day, even a 1/10,000 chance of disaster translates to a handful of planes per day that could simply fall out of the sky.

plane crashing preferable to slow suffocation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31894798)

send in (up) the clowns. nowhere to go really, or to hide.

Its going to get much worse... (5, Informative)

antonyb (913324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894800)

Re:Its going to get much worse... (0)

MokuMokuRyoushi (1701196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894930)

At first, I read your post as "Kayla's getting ready to blow", and thought, 'He has a girlfriend named Kayla too? Weird.' I'll leave that open to translation...

Re:Its going to get much worse... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31895208)

First they run the country down and go bankrupt, then they set the place on fire... I'm wondering if this is somekind of insurance fraud?

so is it... (1)

TehClaws (1785656) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894844)

..chance or risk?

First global warming, now this!? (-1, Flamebait)

bunratty (545641) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894926)

As if the global warming fiasco wasn't bad enough, now there's this! Don't people know that volcanoes have been erupting for millions of years? This is purely a natural phenomenon, so shouldn't be of any concern whatsoever. A few hundred parts per million of a substance added to the atmosphere couldn't possibly have any effect. How could it? Just fly the darn airplanes already, and stop trying to create a one-world government where all travel is regulated. The fact that they've been making test flights through the ash prove that it's perfectly safe. Sheesh!

Iceland Invasion (1)

djdevon3 (947872) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894962)

I say we invade Iceland under an illegal carbon emissions pretext. They are obviously trying to import their toxic culture to the rest of the world.

Take off and nuke them from orbit (1)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895024)

It's the only way to be sure.

Just don't try to take off from the UK, western Europe, or (soon) Eastern Canada.

Re:Iceland Invasion (1)

rla3rd (596810) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895244)

I say we invade Iceland under an illegal carbon emissions pretext. They are obviously trying to export their toxic culture to the rest of the world.

there, fixed that for ya

st. john's weather is scizophrenic (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#31894984)

driving into st. johns from mainland newfoundland (st. johns is on a peninsula) you experience, in the span of about 15 minutes time: downpour of hard rain, then blissful sunshine, then deep fog, then heavy snow, then overcast clouds

the deeper observation is that weather is so fickle in the north atlantic latitudes, that the wind can and will shift back and forth from canada/ europe plenty of times throughout the weeks that this volcanoe blows

the downside is that you never know what will be canceled when or for how long

the upside is that you are still going to get to travel somewhere after a smallish delay (as opposed to canceled flights for weeks on end)

Maple Leaf = North America? (1, Informative)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895016)

Since when is the Maple Leaf the symbol of North America? Does it have something to do with the value of the dollar? The country with the highest valued dollar has its flag tagged as North American symbol?

Or is it simply that the title of the story should have been "Volcanic Ash Heading Towards New Foundland, Canada"?

Re:Maple Leaf = North America? (3, Informative)

rotide (1015173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895130)

Just an FYI, North America is _not_ only the United States nor does it only mean Canada, Mexico, etc. Whatever you think the title of the story should have been, it appears there is a threat of ash to North America and thus using any North American flag, especially the flag of the first country to potentially be disrupted, seems appropriate.

Re:Maple Leaf = North America? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31895218)

Not only USA/Canada/Mexico? Why of course, North America includes "St. Pierre and Miquelon" also!

Re:Maple Leaf = North America? (1)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895200)

Last time I looked at a map Canada was in North America as opposed to the South American bits.

The country you're thinking is called United States of America, not North America or just America.

Re:Maple Leaf = North America? (1)

Heed00 (1473203) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895242)

Since when is the Maple Leaf the symbol of North America? Does it have something to do with the value of the dollar? The country with the highest valued dollar has its flag tagged as North American symbol? Or is it simply that the title of the story should have been "Volcanic Ash Heading Towards New Foundland, Canada"?

Newfoundland Canada is in North America, so the story title is perfectly accurate -- the cloud is moving towards a Canadian part of North America.

Also, the originating news source is from a Canadian newspaper, so the use of flag seems appropriate as well..

While you're at it (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895248)

And while you're at it, stop using "America" to refer to only one country within America!

it symbolizes civilized north america (0)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895316)

the 2 other major countries in north america are currently in pandemonium, experiencing

1. insurrection by narcoterrorist drug mafia and

2. insurrection by antigovernment mindless zealots, respectively

(to seriously answer your question, the maple leaf symbolizes canada, which is affected by the volcano, not the usa)

Re:Maple Leaf = North America? (2, Funny)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895320)

There is a graphic of a tire there as well, and I am offended.

Since when does North America have a monopoly on tires? They don't. I was born in rural Angola, Africa and we even had tires there. When I was in Japan I saw tires. And in Iraq. And France and Italy and Belgium and Brasil and New Zealand. So how then can anyone place a graphic of a tire next to a story with "North America" in the title, as if tires are solely possessed by North America?

This is an obvious infringement of my rights.

Are you sure about that? (3, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895060)

A volcano, in ICELAND? Tell me another one. Everybody knows that volcanoes are only in warm places like Hawaii.

Jet stream doesn't go that way. (1, Informative)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895064)

Hmmm, nope. The jet stream goes west to east in the northern hemisphere.

Re:Jet stream doesn't go that way. (4, Informative)

actionbastard (1206160) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895300)

Generally, yes. However, you need to look at this: http://wxmaps.org/pix/NHanim.html [wxmaps.org] , to understand why it's possible for this to occur.

On the bright side.... (5, Funny)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895082)

A few more strong eruptions like this in different regions around the world, and there'll be enough ash in the sky to knock the temperature down a little bit. Global Warming is solved!

Doesn't anyone read the @#%#@$ article?? (3, Insightful)

skidisk (994551) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895214)

The first sentence: "Fears receded Monday that the fallout from Iceland’s volcanic eruption would disrupt flights within North America."

Interesting Animation of Dispersal (4, Interesting)

DieByWire (744043) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895230)

Here's an interesting animation of the dispersal from Denmarks's weather service: island_vulcano6000.gif [www.dmi.dk]

No planes, trains and automobiles (2, Interesting)

malloryweis (1786850) | more than 4 years ago | (#31895336)

I've just got home (Monday 14:00 GMT) having left a conference (the international liver forum) in Vienna on Saturday 15:00 GMT. A train to Munich, folllowed by a overnight train to amsterdam, Ferry from Amsterdam to Newcastle (England), Train from Newcastle to Glasgow (Scotland). 7,500 people at the conference and major difficulties for those from the states (about 700) trying to get home - some bussed south to Rome, which subsequently also closed. If this hits the US significantly expect major disruption, Bummer is I'm supposed to be flying to Houston on Saturday to visit a friend.
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