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Sega Giving Stock To Stop ISO Pirates?

CmdrTaco posted more than 13 years ago | from the never-heard-of-that-before dept.

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atheos acording to this story kalisto was given stop options to cease releasing ripped dreamcast ISOs. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I don't think I've ever heard of this. I mean, its a lot nicer then sending in the legal attack sharks (and the page proclaims that they will move on to the PSX) but something feels odd about this. Emulators and ISOs are very different things in my eyes. Anyway, take this whole story with a big old salt lick since we don't really have much to go on here, but I just found this odd.

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Stop Options (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 13 years ago | (#798744)

So they're given Stop Options to stock their ISO files?
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Netscape? (1)

mholve (1101) | more than 13 years ago | (#798745)

Is it just me or does that site crash Netscape under Linux? Every time I try to load the page... Kaboom!

Please, it's not real. (5)

toast- (72345) | more than 13 years ago | (#798746)

Jesus. Why do people buy into this shit?

Kalisto wanted out, and didn't have a witty thing to say. So they made something up. If you read their previous NFO's they were rather pissed off at the 'scene' and one would easily say they did want out.

Now the issue of Sega giving stock options is ludicrist. Sega would rather hand them some handcuffs rather than money or options. You better believe that sega still wants them in jail.

And finally, if the 'warez site' in question was more up to date, you'd notice a new group has formed (named echelon), right after kalisto has 'exited'. Seems a little suspicious to you, doesn't it?

Finally, here are some links that are comparibly better than the one provided in the story.

Isonews [isonews.com]

152.org [152.org]

You can see the 'nfos' from the new group 'echelon' and give youself a better picture of the dreamcast pirate world.

Bout time (1)

dolo666 (195584) | more than 13 years ago | (#798747)


Perfect move by Sony!

Now they can trump the guy with extortion charges!!!

He will do REAL time, cuz all judges hate h4x0r5.

First they get him to stop doing what he was doing -- ripping & distributing the DC ISOs. Sony can claim he forced them to give him stock, or else he wouldn't stop his dirty distribution ring!

I mean this is perfect! I think I saw it on Law & Order!!! :P

There is no question that kalisto was in the wrong, as far as any judge is concerned. Now Sony can really stick it to kalisto!

Sony offered the stock, and now they can claim duress, and then first get a conviction in kalisto's home state for extortion. Then they can bankrupt him by a civil suit.

Are these Sony guys Bony or what? :P /d

Re:Please, it's not real. (1)

Captain Derivative (182945) | more than 13 years ago | (#798748)

Of course it's real! Didn't you read the article?

Take note this is NOT a joke.

See? C'mon, these guys are fine, upstanding young men. You don't think they'd actually lie, do you?

</SARCASM>

First rule: if the person saying something explicitly tells you that it isn't a lie...it probably is.


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Re:It's cheaper than lawyers (1)

stx23 (14942) | more than 13 years ago | (#798749)

You can burn the file as an ISO-9660 compliant image, it's International Standards Organization, I think, and governs the file format of a CD.

No more penis birds (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#798750)

"Slashdot has offered me a Slashdot Cruiser to stop promoting Penis Birds, so this will be it, our last promotion. Thanks to all who have supported us throughout my stay in the PB scene. Take note this is NOT a joke. We are really stopping all PB operations with this release. We continue on with the PF. Bye."

Re:Sounds like Homer and his free motor boat. (1)

robman (142753) | more than 13 years ago | (#798751)

Up, up, and away-ay-ay!
In my beautiful, beautiful ... stock option!

Re:This is just a joke (1)

Fishstick (150821) | more than 13 years ago | (#798752)

>Issuing stock

Selling/giving stock or options is not always the same as issueing new stock. Companies keep a larder of their own stock for a lot of reasons (executive compensation, employeee options) plus it is very popular to 'buyback' your own stock when the price needs a little boost. Handing out 10,000 shares to a Sr. VP doesn't dilute the stock (create new issues without raising the capitlaization) and neither does giving 1000 options to a bunch of pirates.

Now, whether a sane company would even consider offering options in exchange for stopping pirating or if this ever happened...

Maybe a hoax, maybe the smell of blood (1)

64.28.67.48 (217783) | more than 13 years ago | (#798753)

It seems very possible that it isn't even true. The Aug 30 post on the site says: "Here's our last release before we take a little break from the DC scene. We are frankly tired of all of you ungrateful assholes out there who do nothing but whine about our releases. We will give you this game today, but we have chosen to keep our current rips of Ultimate Fighting Championship and Sega GT internal. We don't have to release to the public nor are we really interested in doing so right now with the attitude that most of the end-user base shows."

So this may be just a bit of a prank played on the "ungrateful" hordes who don't appreciate the work that they do...

But if the stock option thing is true, this may encourage the people who doing the same thing or even contemplating getting into ripping DC games. Either you get the thrill of being part of the "underground" scene, or you get recognition and money from Sega saying "you're too good for us, please stop, we surrender, here's some money." There isn't much of a downside.

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Kalisto. (1)

Jon Shaft (208648) | more than 13 years ago | (#798754)

Kalisto made a lot of improvments (I'm on the dcdev mailing list and dabble in some dreamcast programming via my stupid serial cable :)) but KALiSTO has done a lot of major enhancements to the Dreamcast programing scene.

I follow the iso scene a little bit (just for kicks, my cable modem caps would kill me) but the day after KALiSTO supposedly "quit" doing the Dreamcast a new group appeared called Echelon appeared on the scene. This group could do all the things KALiSTO could do, and now they're doing some more things (like being able to swap 2 cd's without booting the dreamcast again etc)..

So it's most likely KALiSTO renaming themselves to either shut people up or they were taking heat from somewhere. I very much doubt SEGA would be giving them stock option for pirating their games, however weirder things have happened. But I just think it's very odd that another group appeared with the same capibiliteis as them. I mean hell, all the other groups releasing games on the DC scene aren't nearly as skilled as either of these groups. Just funny to see one appear out of nowhere... heh

Stocks these days (1)

mholve (1101) | more than 13 years ago | (#798755)

Sheesh, ya can't give 'em away to hackers, let alone offer them to new employees as part of the offer...

"Options, getcher options, heeya!"

Lame idea (1)

Frijoles (16015) | more than 13 years ago | (#798756)

This sort of reminds me of terrorism. If you give in to terrorists, then other terrorists will do the same thing knowing that you will.

If they are giving out stock options, how long will it take for every schmoe out there to start figuring out how to rip CDs and create ISOs just for the stock options.

Screw college, I can make more in stocks by stealing shit, plus its funner!

Editorial review (2)

Misch (158807) | more than 13 years ago | (#798757)

stop options

I think it's about time Slashdot started editing the stories that go on the main page. There are SO MANY grammatical and spelling errors seeping into thse posts that it is getting to be unbearable. We are the nerds, and it makes sense that we should be more intelligent than the average human being, but some of these mistakes are getting.

Face the truth. /. is now a commercial news organization (with a good community). Invoke a little common sense, a spell checker, and a grammar checker.

Re:hire them! (4)

toast- (72345) | more than 13 years ago | (#798758)

F.Y.I PSX2 games have been hackable for the same amount of time or longer than dream cast.

They come on DVD's and they simply apply the same ripping or downsampling procedures to get it to fit on a CD.

The dreamcast is tougher due to the custom 'data' format (gdrom), and the group 'utopia' was the first to break the protection.

Kalisto uses the same anti-protection that utopia created to break the games.

We need a new RFC (5)

Rombuu (22914) | more than 13 years ago | (#798759)

For the SBP (Slashdot Bullshit Protocol). Basically, you send a story out to 5 people before you publish it on the front page. If 5 of them go "Bullshit!", then you don't publish the story.

Re:MS Next (1)

extar-bags (161628) | more than 13 years ago | (#798760)

10,000 stock options, eh? Do they all have to be different prices, or what?

a "stock option" is the ability to buy stock at a fixed price as opposed to the trading price, not actual stock itself.

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Well this is reassuring. (1)

Victor Ng (18609) | more than 13 years ago | (#798761)

Well you know what they say: 'Nothing more reliable than a man whose loyalty you can buy.'

Re: stop option? (1)

DigitalCutie (201844) | more than 13 years ago | (#798762)

I think no matter what ppl or companies do there will be pirates (i.e. Warez, Radio, etc.) I mean if the company makes there products vulnerable enuff to be exploited and fucked wit ..then it's their fault!!@$~ No matter what ppl say or do FREEWAREZ, ISOZ and etc will thrive and go on. All this media is doing is attracting more ppl to burn iso's and now wit proggies that HELP you burn iso's this will never end.

.. (1)

vbrtrmn (62760) | more than 13 years ago | (#798763)

What's a "stop option"?

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you are not what you own

More plausible than you think... (1)

Nick Ives (317) | more than 13 years ago | (#798764)

...Although I am pretty skeptical about this particular case. Useually when a company offers to pay off game crackers/pirates/etc they useually ask for some form of NDA too, to stop these kinds of stories from getting out to the general public.

I remember from way back on the Atari ST a crew called "Pompeii Pirates". A friend of mine was actually involved in that group and they were given money/free stuff/etc by several games publishers on the understanding that they would leave their games alone and uncracked. That didnt stop them from taking the money and cracking the game on occasion, but still, thats the nature of the game =).

Nick

Not a bad idea (1)

kevin42 (161303) | more than 13 years ago | (#798765)

Even though they have a legal right to go after people and attempt to shut them down, if they gave out stock options in consideration for signing a contract saying "I agree not to distribute any games in the future", they have a lot better legal case, not to mention the PR value.

Hmm, make a pirate site, then take money to shut it down...maybe it's not such a great precedent after all. :)

not emulators (1)

heff (24452) | more than 13 years ago | (#798768)

I believe you could actually play the games on the dreamcast without using an emulator.

I can see it now (4)

Auckerman (223266) | more than 13 years ago | (#798769)

Sega: Hey, if you don't steal our stuff, we'll sell you this stock for really cheap.

Pirate: j00 m$t B k1dd1ng m3, b1tch, ur $t0cK 1$ g01ng t0 b w0rthl3s s00n. P$x2 0wnz all.

Sega: How about if we give it too you?

Pirate: n0 th4nx

Uhhh... (1)

TJ6581 (182825) | more than 13 years ago | (#798771)

The article reads Stock Options not "stop options", I don't even know what the hell a "Stop Option" is. But I think that Stock Options is a Much better topic for discussion. This seems almost like it could lead to blackmail.

Give us stock/food/caffine or we release all of your games for free...
"Freedom of speech has always been the abstract red-headed stepchild of the Constitution"

Re:.. (1)

Mr_Ceebs (60709) | more than 13 years ago | (#798773)

Two large Geezers who come round and say
'You have an option, stop or we break your legs'

busted (5)

austad (22163) | more than 13 years ago | (#798774)

Hi, we're Sega. We don't know who you really are, but if you stop pirating our games we'll give you stock options. Then when you go to collect on them we'll find out who you really are. Then, we'll duct tape your wrists to your ankles and our lawyers will take turns until you can no longer walk.

KALiSTO did this already... (1)

TrpyNuSCK (230507) | more than 13 years ago | (#798775)

KALiSTO "quit" the scene before only to return, this time they look to have switched names to ECHELON or HOOLIGANS or some other name. This is an unconfirmed rumor and should never have been posted on /.

Incorrect. (1)

Auckerman (223266) | more than 13 years ago | (#798776)

Re-read it slowly. It says: "atheos acording to this story kalisto was given stop options to cease releasing ripped dreamcast ISOs"

If only they went one step further. (1)

Orclover (228413) | more than 13 years ago | (#798777)

A simple way this could have been far more interesting.
1: sega gives these guys X amount of stock for not messing with thier games any more.
2: Sega then gives them X amount of more stock for picking on Sony/nintendo.

Ahh let the hacker mercenaries draw forth.

Re:Netscape? (1)

rrogers (48345) | more than 13 years ago | (#798778)

Is it just me or does that site crash Netscape under Linux? Every time I try to load the page... Kaboom!

I was just about to mention that. You have to turn off Java/JavaScript (I turned them both off so I don't know which one fixed it)

This is actually the first page I've ever been to that crashed Netscape. I've had it lock up before, but never just die.

Re:KALiSTO did this already... (1)

toast- (72345) | more than 13 years ago | (#798779)

I firmly believe they ARE echelon.

Or echelon consist of most of the old members.

One or the other.

And it's almost guaranteed to be true.. this is not a rumour, it's an observed fact.

I am very skeptical about all this (5)

x mani x (21412) | more than 13 years ago | (#798788)

I think this is all a stupid prank, or a Kalisto inside joke/coverup on why they're not releasing anymore.

Why am I skeptical?

1-I'm unsure about the legality of this in the first place. Basically, Sega is bribing these people with stock options, and I'll eat my own shorts if there isn't some law out there that prohibits this.

2-Let's say bribing people with stock is actually legal. Don't you think Sega would make them sign some agreement that they may not disclose this transaction publicly? If I was running a big corporation, I would sure want my bribes to criminals kept secret ... maybe Sega of America has a different philosophy about this?

3-Continuing with #2's assumption, what are Sega's stockholders going to think, when they find out that the people who may possibly cripple the Dreamcast console are getting free stocks? Would Sega really be so bold/stupid? How would they explain these actions at stockholder meetings?

4-Just before their announcement, Kalisto had briefly stopped releasing Dreamcast ISOs because they think the Dreamcast ISO "scene" is ungrateful. Shortly thereafter, they released about 4-5 games, then stated that they are no longer releasing anything because Sega is bribing them. This all stinks of trying to find reasons to stop releasing. They could have easily stopped releasing due to the first reason, rather than publicly announcing that they are being paid the "ransom".

5-Just after Kalisto stops releasing, a "new" group called Echelon emerges and immediately starts releasing games using fairly advanced ripping/booting techniques, as if they've been doing it for ages. Looks like Kalisto, smells like Kalisto. Hmmm, maybe this is all just a big name change for a piracy group?

Re:Euro Sinks Again (1)

Auckerman (223266) | more than 13 years ago | (#798789)

It's people like you who make people like me set my limits at 1 instead of 0. Personally, over half AC's have something worthy of saying and those who don't get moderated down, I read. Then you come along post and Off Topic reply to my post, it gets moderated down, then you post it again.

Don't be a dick. There is a time and place for everything.

Re:hire them! (2)

MillMan (85400) | more than 13 years ago | (#798790)

It just goes to prove that copyright protection in the modern era is an oxymoron. I suppose they could do some big brother thing like divx did, but that failed too...

Bummer, I feel so bad for the big corporations...

They ARE stop options (1)

rellort (146793) | more than 13 years ago | (#798797)

Sillies -- Sega gives them options if they promise to stop. Hence "stop options".

"I am the dot in .duh"

Sounds like Homer and his free motor boat. (5)

bob_jordan (39836) | more than 13 years ago | (#798798)

"Hi, I'm Calisto, I'm here for my stock options"

Bob.

Metallica could use this business model (1)

not_cub (133206) | more than 13 years ago | (#798799)

Metallica could really learn from this. Let's call it the "if you're being stolen from, give up some cash" model.

Sega is paying off the guys who have ripped off their games. Similarly, Metallica could give everyone who has been ripping off their music, say $10. Then we could all afford to go down to the record store and buy the records, and actually buy the CD, since it would be cheaper after this subsidy. After all, how many times have people bitched here that they are into mp3s because of overpriced CDs.

not_cub

Re:.. (1)

Score 0 (215860) | more than 13 years ago | (#798800)

What's a "stop option"?

It's a quick, easy way to tell if someone actually read the article before posting.

its a cheaper deal for Sega (1)

schatten (163083) | more than 13 years ago | (#798801)

sounds definately cheaper than hiring out a legal staff, and no negative press against Sega that would blow up in their faces, such as some (Metallica).

thats normal (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 13 years ago | (#798802)

Some people say to disable javascript, css, and images and its stable. Then whats the point of using a graphical browser?

Precedent....almost (2)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | more than 13 years ago | (#798803)

Phone companies have offered free long distance to people that show them new ways to steal long distance service. In this case, they figure that once they know how it's being done, they can keep anyone else from doing it. The people that they're giving free service to were getting free service anyway, so it's no loss to the phone company.
Having said that, this story smells funny to me.

-B

BullSh*t! (2)

Benjamin Shniper (24107) | more than 13 years ago | (#798804)

I call it. Maybe, just maybe, sega hired these guys with a stock option policy. But as stated, no corporation on earth would give such a reward to bootleggers of their products.

-Be

Even if it was true (2)

jfedor (27894) | more than 13 years ago | (#798805)

I mean, its a lot nicer then sending in the legal attack sharks

Why the hell should Sega be nice to pirates? Especially in the console market where most of the income is from selling games, not hardware.

-jfedor

BullSh*t! (2)

Benjamin Shniper (24107) | more than 13 years ago | (#798813)

I call it. Maybe, just maybe, sega hired these guys with a stock option policy. But as stated, no corporation on earth would give such a reward to bootleggers of their products.

-Ben

Sounds bogus but... (2)

sterno (16320) | more than 13 years ago | (#798814)

That sounds like a rather interesting approach to the problem. By giving stock options Sega would accomplish three things:

1) Buy off the pirate for a cost much lower than lawyer fees

2) Establishes a motivation for the pirate to want Sega to make money (and thus reducing the motivation to undercut them through piracy)

3) Sets up a nice legal argument should he ever reneg. Basically they can include in the contact under which the Options are given a clause that makes it very easy to prosecute for huge penalties (relying on contract law rather than the vaugeries of current copyright law).

Now having said that, this seems a lot like paying terrorists to give back hostages. This creates an incentive for people to be pirates because if they do so, they can get some options. If this became a common practice, everybody and their grandmother would be distributing ISO's just to get some options.

It will be interesting to see if this turns out to be legit...

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DC vs. PS2 (2)

yerricde (125198) | more than 13 years ago | (#798815)

And with the PS2 being released soon - holding Sega shares would properly not be a wise idea.

PlayStation 2 is a fighting game platform. (Coincidentally, fighting is one of the four arcade genres, the others being racing, shooting at a movie, and pinball.) It doesn't have enough texture RAM to hold detailed textures for more than about four characters, and this is coincidentally the number of players in some fighting games (trying to show up Nintendo's Smash Bros. [smashbros.com] ?).

Dreamcast, OTOH, seems more balanced in its technical capabilities.


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link crashes netscape (1)

XaXXon (202882) | more than 13 years ago | (#798816)

Just a little warning.. it appears that this link crashes netscape under linux (redhat 6.2)..

The knights who say "Nih!" (1)

franksbiyatch (227234) | more than 13 years ago | (#798817)

say "Oh, let's be nice to him." www.ridiculopathy.com [ridiculopathy.com]

Re:Editorial review (2)

SgtPepper (5548) | more than 13 years ago | (#798818)

I think it's about time Slashdot started editing the stories that go on the main page. There are SO MANY grammatical and spelling errors seeping into thse posts that it is getting to be unbearable.

thse posts no grammer have, nor speeeling, /. this is, use to it you are not, get use you must. speel checker for post not bad idea might not be

Re:Please, it's not real. (1)

Pharaoh_B (181945) | more than 13 years ago | (#798819)

I agree. Besides, what moron at Sony would actually see this as a good idea?

Just think of all the kiddies out there that think 'Hey - if I can succesfully pirate enough Sony warez, I'LL GET FREE SONY STOCK!!!'. Not a very smart move.

Re:shouldn't (1)

Eric Gibson (166760) | more than 13 years ago | (#798820)

No sh!t, seems like such a bunch of conspiracy theorists like the Slashdot crew would be a little more careful about which information they post in a quasi-journalistic forum such as this. Especially considering that the information on this site reaches most of the technically inclined population some way or another. Considering Slashdot would be the perfect forum to distribute false information, I think it would be in proper form if they verfied there sources *before* they post content. To optimize the amount of verified information that reaches the masses of people, who will believe anything they are told, by what they consider to be a reliable source.

That's just me though, I don't want to be a pawn of the element which trickles this sort of information thru supposedly reliable sources to get everyone to believe it. ::looks around suspiciously::

You know how you see those "updates" at the bottom of stories. A better solution to help maximize the amount of correct information posted might be to have that update system done internally before it was dissiminated. Heck, you might even want to take some classes on Journalism, er read a book about it or something to improve your technique. No offense...

Uhm, riiiiight. (2)

Erik Fish (106896) | more than 13 years ago | (#798821)


This has got to be the most ridiculously improbable story I have ever read on Slashdot.

  1. Warez is a competitive sport. If one group stops releasing another will immediatly take their place. Will Sega then buy the next group off as well? The stock won't be worth much if this keeps happening -- who wants shares in a company that knuckles under to pirates?
  2. How is Sega going to stop ALL the members of this (likely large) group of (likely anonymous) people from changing nyms and joining some other group? Do they ALL get stock options? Maybe they get tickets to Disneyland too? Free lollypops? Give me a fucking break.

How can this not be painfully obvious?

Re:I am very skeptical about all this (2)

toast- (72345) | more than 13 years ago | (#798822)

5-Just after Kalisto stops releasing, a "new" group called Echelon emerges and immediately starts releasing games using fairly advanced ripping/booting techniques, as if they've been doing it for ages. Looks like Kalisto, smells like Kalisto. Hmmm, maybe this is all just a big name change for a piracy group?

Bingo.

Kalisto has a long history... (1)

aderusha (32235) | more than 13 years ago | (#798823)

...of being completely full of shit.

Not 12 hours before this release, they released another game wherein they claimed it would also be their last release. Obviously it wasn't. They've made similiar claims in the past, all unsubstantiated. Kalisto seems to like nothing more than being the subject of conversation. They released somewhere around %90 or more of the Dreamcast games available for download, so there was a lot of speculation as to whether the DC warez scene was going to continue without new releases.

As always, nature abhors a vacuum. ECHELON and others have immediately started releasing self-booting DC games in the absence of Kalisto.

Good riddance to another stupid warez group.

If you have too much time on your hands, you can read all the apropos .NFOs and watch the forums on http://www.isonews.com

Is this an attempt to get options out of Sony?? (1)

candiid (215052) | more than 13 years ago | (#798824)

They stated they would continue to release PSX games. Perhaps this is a blackmale attempt with the upcoming PSX2 release. Then again this is typical bait and switch for the cops. Get Kallisto to give up the names in exchange for 'stock' then arrest them for copyright infringement. The tactic is used regularly to entice people with warrents. "You've won a new TV! Just stop by NNN Anywhere Blvd to claim your prize." Once the criminals come in and verify their identity, they all get arrested.

Re:Not a bad idea (2)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 13 years ago | (#798825)

? What better legal stance do they need than a bunch of guys with nice web pages *openly* spreading DC iso images around? There is no 'grey area' here as far as copyright goes....

Perhaps the stock options are cheaper than the court battle?

Re: stop option? (1)

Frizzle Fry (149026) | more than 13 years ago | (#798826)

>but on the other hand, if they SIGN
> A LEGAL DOC saying they won't
>do it again...

It was illegal in the first place. They're not allowed to do it again whether they sign something or not.

Care about freedom?

There is NO way this is true... (1)

Majestik (101669) | more than 13 years ago | (#798827)

Could you imagine, no company would do anything to legitamize the piracy of there IP. If they started its just inviting more people to join in; wouldn't you like to rip software games for fun and profit ;) Come on, this is obviously BS

Re: stop option? (1)

jbridge21 (90597) | more than 13 years ago | (#798828)

I believe that's "stock option".

Now, while this may be a noble thing for Sega to try out for once...

Man, it's such a weird concept that I can't say whether I like it or not yet. I mean, those guys should be PUNISHED for bad behavior, but on the other hand, if they SIGN A LEGAL DOC saying they won't do it again...

Well, first off, as one person pointed out, it IS kind of a bad precedent. What Sega then needs to be sure and do is not give this treatment to everybody, and only give it at their discression. Yeah. That makes more sense.

Whatever Sega wants to try to stop the pirates, hey! A first try of something new is always worth a shot. Novel concepts included.

Have a nice day.

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It's cheaper than lawyers (1)

Blackwulf (34848) | more than 13 years ago | (#798831)

Since I'm sure that Kalisto members are all around the globe, it's probably a better idea to say "Hey, you got us, we admit it. We'll call off the dogs if you'll accept these stock options."

Look at it this way, for those who think that they won't accept the options - if they absolutely hated the Dreamcast do you think they'd be making the ISO's in the first place? It takes TIME to rip a Dreamcast game. (It's not cut and dry due to the GD-ROM encoding.)

But, don't worry, other groups have stepped up to the plate to keep the scene alive.

This is just a joke (2)

Hougaard (163563) | more than 13 years ago | (#798833)

1. A company would never pay a ransom to a cracker group. This would just give 10 other groups the signal to try to do the same. 2. A "Stock Option" is the right to buy stock in a company to a fixed price (Hopefully below the current trading price :-) So this requires that they actuallly have some money to invest in stocks? 3. If they have money to buy options it would be great for Sega to sell them the stocks (And thereby getting the revenue from the pirate copies) - And with the PS2 being released soon - holding Sega shares would properly not be a wise idea.

(OT)Which is why I use w3m. (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 13 years ago | (#798838)

w3m [yamagata-u.ac.jp] is a full-featured character-cell web browser. Unlike Lynx [browser.org] , w3m supports tables, making web site layout look more like what the designers intended.
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Re:Editorial review (1)

Misch (158807) | more than 13 years ago | (#798839)

thse posts no grammer have, nor speeeling, /. this is, use to it you are not, get use you must. speel checker for post not bad idea might not be

Is this what happens when you cross JarJar with Yoda? Please do not let those two breed!

Fake. (1)

drwiii (434) | more than 13 years ago | (#798840)

It's Kalisto's exit strategy. Just like the still-unproven rumors of Utopia getting busted by Sega.

Right (1)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 13 years ago | (#798841)

Who believes that?
Try to guess what would happen when you show up to claim your stocks.

BTW. If you believe that, then I have a old tower that I want to sell to you. It's located in Paris and you can get it for cheap. I'll even ship it to you!!!

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Re:hire them! (3)

.pentai. (37595) | more than 13 years ago | (#798842)

GDRoms are just more "dense" that CDroms, and can be read by a standard cdrom with some modifications. And, they didn't make the boot disk OR figure out how to rip the GDroms, they took someone elses work, called it there own, and tried to play it off and claimed others stole it from them.

Wow, with those skills, maybe they SHOULD work for a corporation.

Re:This is just a joke (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 13 years ago | (#798843)

If they have money to buy options it would be great for Sega to sell them the stocks (And thereby getting the revenue from the pirate copies)

Hehe, at the same time diluting their stock with new issues. Issuing stock is never considered revenue in the traditional sense.
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(OT)K5 does this. (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 13 years ago | (#798844)

kuro5hin.org coming soon: Mass moderation of stories. There's a "front page" and a "back page" for each section; the community votes to move stories from the back page to either the front page or /dev/null.
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Re:Sounds bogus but... (1)

rarose (36450) | more than 13 years ago | (#798845)

Forgot one thing: I haven't seen the GDROM format documented anywhere, so it's probably not patented but rather a trade secret. If a trade secret gets exposed, it's no longer a secret and has no legal protection. So if they got Kalisto under an agreement, they could now prevent him from sharing his knowledge of the trade secret GDROM format

Hey. (3)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 13 years ago | (#798846)

Just a thought.. but..
Couldn't Sega be doing this?

1) Offer them all stock options.
2) This means they all have to sign contracts, and be *identified*. (You can't anonymously get options, I don't think).
3) Now, Sega is legally bound to give them these options; however....
4) Now Sega knows who each and every member is, so they can proceed to sue them for copyright infringement *anyway*!

Hypothetically.. the fact that sega would agree to pay them to stop is not the same as saying sega is not going to press charges for their past actions.

here's the .nfo (1)

Mean_Mr_Moustache (195194) | more than 13 years ago | (#798847)

Here's the .nfo file from their last release that spells it out. Also - not sure where that emu reference came from - there's no emulation involved here. The formatting is trashed but I don't want to link to where this is ;) Title: Ganbare Nippon Olympics 2000 Url: n/a Group: Kalisto Released: Saturday September 2nd, 2000 Size: xx/07 NFO: Viewing plain text [switch to java mode ] [save .nfo ] Proudly Presents Game : Ganbare Nippon Olympics 2000 (C) Konami Sports Origin : JAPAN - NTSC Filename : KAL-GO2K.001 Released : September 2nd, 2000 CDs / Rars : 1 CD / 7 RARS Platform : Sega Dreamcast (DC) Format : CDI (DiscJuggler Sega has offered us stock options to stop releasing DC, so this will be it, our last release. Thanks to all who have supported us throughout our stay in the DC scene. Take note this is NOT a joke. We are really stopping all DC operations with this release. We will continue on with the PSX. Bye Game Info: Ganbare Nippon Olympics 2000 is the successor of the previous Track and Field games on the PSX. Check out a whole lot of 12 events such as Pole Vaultor and the compulsory 100m dash. Be impressed by the superb motion captures of the Athletes and the true 3D environment. Music and sound matching perfectly to the Olympic Atmosphere Nice to see console stories on /. but this is from Saturday, and you guys should maybe take time out from those FPSs sometime ;)

Re:Euro Sinks Again (1)

kermit the fraud (223850) | more than 13 years ago | (#798848)

That'll learn 'em!

Bet (s)he doesn't do that again... whoops, already did!

Keep on feedin!

Re:I am very skeptical about all this (1)

update() (217397) | more than 13 years ago | (#798849)

I'm reminded of the recent Slashdot article [slashdot.org] on an HNN story about crackers complaining that their criminal record was keeping them from getting computer security jobs. Sounded to me like a bunch of worried skript kiddies who bought into the "Yeah, and even if you do get arrested, you'll get a high-paying job out of it!" myth and found that it's a lot easier to get arrested than it is to get rich. I'm envisioning Kalisto copycats winding up with more trouble than stock.

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Re:hire them! (3)

Frizzle Fry (149026) | more than 13 years ago | (#798850)

they took someone elses work, called it there own, and tried to play it off and claimed others stole it from them.

Huh, imagine that. Pirates trying to benefit from someone else's work.

Care about freedom?

Re:Not a bad idea (1)

Taco Prophet (133700) | more than 13 years ago | (#798851)

> Perhaps the stock options are cheaper than the court battle?

That was my first reaction, too, but I keep coming back around to the thought that it just wouldn't be as effective in the long run as making an object lesson out of them. Stopping these guys isn't the only issue, right? Sega would also want to prevent other folks from carrying on the torch, so to speak... and it seems to me that handing out stock options to offenders just isn't a good way to deter the masses. It seems more likely to me that they'd show up with an army of lawyers, just to make sure the rest of us don't get any bright ideas.

That's just me, though. *shrug*

Consider This... (1)

Nater (15229) | more than 13 years ago | (#798852)

Perhaps Sony is the first major corporate interest to realize that recent court actions, regardless of who's right and who's wrong, are as futile as damming the ocean. When the industry fights, it's like sqeezing a chunk of jello, it doesn't collapse under the pressure like rubber, it comes out from between your fingers on all sides and makes a mess. So this time, instead of fighting it, they offer some hush money to keep the know-how of ripping these games from spreading. Honestly, if this is true, it's much more sinister than legal action. Legal action makes a scene and everyone stops to look. This will just shut people up.

Re:This is just a joke (1)

BrK (39585) | more than 13 years ago | (#798853)

A "Stock Option" is the right to buy stock in a company to a fixed price (Hopefully below the curent trading price :-) So this requires that they actuallly have some money to invest in stocks?
No, you don't need any money to exercise (or own) a granted stock option. Ex: Company X gives you a grant of 10,000 shares at Price Y. Their stock price is now Y+25 and you want to exercise some of your options. You call you broker and say "Sell 2,000 of my options at price Y+25 or better". Your broker sells the shares, and you have an accout worth (Y+25)*2000. However, you have to _buy_ a stock in order to sell it. You just sold short (sold shares you don't own), so you now have to buy 2000 shares at price Y. Where do you get $2000(Y)? From your recent exercise. So, now you're left with (Y+25)2000-(Y)2000, or 2000*25, or $50,000. This is how probably 99% of all the Silicon Valley options get exercised.

3. If they have money to buy options it would be great for Sega to sell them the stocks (And thereby getting the revenue from the pirate copies)
From the above example, it's now clear that they don't have to give Sega _any_ money at this point. However, most any stock option grant will have an expiration date, typically 5-8 years. If they didn't exercise the stock for some reason, then there is usually a clause that the granting company retains the right to the option, which then allows then to buy-back their own stock at a price that is often well below the current market price. This is a Good Thing for most any company.

Anyway, the whole story is most likely bullshit, but at least now you know more about stock options :)

Re:I can see it now (1)

kc0dxh (115594) | more than 13 years ago | (#798854)

Ummm... What? Not only does that not make any sence, it doesn't make any sense!

Interesting approach (1)

A_Roche (184284) | more than 13 years ago | (#798855)

If this is true, then surely Sega is going to have to split their stock 2000:1 just to get ahead of the people who rip the games. I wonder if I should start this, it could be a money making deal, I think.

How To Make Money: The Lazy Man's Guide (2)

KingJawa (65904) | more than 13 years ago | (#798856)

Route 1: Government Subsidies
(a) Buy land. Lots of it.
(b) Threaten to grow corn. Or peanuts. Or something.
(c) Wait for corn growers lobby to talk to congressman.
(d) Get nice fat check to not grow corn.

Route 2: Stop ... er, Stock Option Hijacking
(a) Buy domain names. Lots of them.
(b) Threaten to steal games. Or other programs. Or something.
(c) Wait for game developers to complain to bosses.
(d) Get nice fat stock options for not stealing stuff.

Route 3: Tin Cup
(a) Buy tin cup.
(b) Threaten to wallow in your own filth outside of a nice department store.
(c) Wait for department store to smell you.
(d) Get nice fat wad of $100s for not scaring the customers.

hire them! (5)

eries (71365) | more than 13 years ago | (#798857)

Have you guys seen the specs on how these games were ripped? Dreamcast GD-ROMs are supposed to be incompatible with CDRs a hundred different ways. For one, they hold more data. These hackers managed to rip the games, edit them down to CD-size and then create a boot disk for the dreamcast that disables all the country-code checking. These are some serious 3l33t HaX0rZ. Sega should hire them immediately. Hell, maybe even pay them to start whacking the PSX2 :)

Good move... (1)

HiQ (159108) | more than 13 years ago | (#798858)

Losing money on a court case or losing money by offering stock options sort of cancel each other out. Now add to this the benefit of more piracy actions targeted towards *other* platforms, means that they sell more games that would otherwise be obtained through piracy. All in all not too stupid a move!
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Stock Options (2)

e-matt (158558) | more than 13 years ago | (#798859)

Following this logic
Record Companies will be giving out stock to Napster and all it users, so they will stop "sharing" mp3's

Imagine that ?

The rationale: (2)

FascDot Killed My Pr (24021) | more than 13 years ago | (#798860)

When I was little and and lived at home, I didn't always remember to turn off lights when I left a room. My mother would say "we don't own stock in the electric company" which meant "we are losing, not making, money by leaving lights on".

Maybe Sega gives stocks to pirates to turn them into people that want to stop piracy.
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Re:shouldn't (3)

Mechno (181128) | more than 13 years ago | (#798861)

heh heh, this story is not actually true. The person who writes the .NFO files for Kalisto is leaving the group and played a prank. That's the story.

what is it worth (1)

snoogans (201142) | more than 13 years ago | (#798865)

i thought that the dreamcast was going to be the last game console sega was going to produce because of increased competition. if they don't put out another console the stock is going to be worthless when it matures

Is it April 1st? (1)

Ergo2000 (203269) | more than 13 years ago | (#798866)

Who the hell thought this has even the slightest ounce of credibility??? The idea of Sega giving these clowns stock options is absolutely ridiculous, and the idea that it would be considered anything more than a pathetic prank is unbelievable. If Sega knew who these guys were and could find them they'd have some serious civil suits on their hard.

This is the most absurd story I've seen posted on here...beating even the little kid who worked for Microsoft prank. Can't the stories themselves be moderated into oblivion?

Malda, What the hell are you smoking? (1)

Watts (3033) | more than 13 years ago | (#798867)

How the hell does crap like this make it through the story queue and not useful stuff? Holy shit. And it's CmdrTaco, the originator of the site who posts it. You'd think *he* would have developed the ability to filter through articles by now.

Not only was this news A WEEK AGO, but it's a colossal joke. kallisto, a group that releases dreamcast isos, claimed Sega gave them stock options to stop pirating games. Think about that one for more than two seconds and tell me it's more than a work of pure, hilarious fiction.

Good god, I pity the slashzealots who take everything on slashdot as pure truth.

Re:not emulators (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 13 years ago | (#798868)

That is correct, they released ISOs that, when burned, were bootable DC games.

Often wrong but never in doubt.
I am Jack9.

Re:Kalisto has a long history... (1)

Watts (3033) | more than 13 years ago | (#798869)

ECHELON == kallisto. Same group, different name.

Get a bullshit detector people. I hear they sell them at Wal-Mart now. :)

They were tricked! (1)

webslacker (15723) | more than 13 years ago | (#798870)

See, Sega didn't give them stock options, they gave them stop options

Re:hire them! (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 13 years ago | (#798871)

They incorporated Utopia's work into the ISOs to make them bootable which Utopia was unable to do. I hardly call this "taking someone else's work and making it their own"

Often wrong but never in doubt.
I am Jack9.

Communicator 4.51 on Windows dies as well (2)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 13 years ago | (#798872)

I tried several times as Netscape's fine browser crashes relatively frequently for me. After restarting Netscape more than once, I'm forced to the conclusion that whatever the linked page looks like, it makes Communicator blow chunks in a rather messy manner

stupid people with their stupid lame rumors (2)

2MuchC0ffeeMan (201987) | more than 13 years ago | (#798873)

okay... i'm gonna go for some informative karma here i know this is fake, this (a story on a highly respected forum) is what they wanted... here are some things from the kalisto .nfo's when they release their games.. here's the first one, from sydney olympics-8/30 "Here's our last release before we take a little break from the DC scene. We are frankly tired of all of you ungrateful assholes there who do nothing but whine about our releases. We will give this game today, but we have chosen to keep our current rips Ultimate Fighting Championship and Sega GT internal. We don't have to release to the public nor are we really interested in doing so now with the attitude that most of the end-user base shows. This game has been forced to display at 60HZ for PAL users, and it fits on 74 Minute Blank. Adios, we're off to play UFC." okay, their next release, 16 hours later ... ultimate fighting championship - 9/1/00 "Ok, Back from our 16 hour break. Really funny to see most of whiner's reactions. Did you guys ever sit down and wonder which group has given you 95% of the DC releases out there? To those of you who think we're arrogant/childish, all I can say put your money where your mouth is, and do something about it, don't download any of our releases. Simple as that. And to the people who can't get DJ working, do you really think we give a fuck about your shitty burner's problem? Take what you and if you dont like it, FUCK OFF and do it yourself. Never bite the hand that feeds you folks, otherwise you'd be stuck playing lame NES emulators on your wonderful 128bit machines. But its not all negative here, we'd like to say thanks to all our and supporters, and this game is dedicated to you." note: DJ is discjuggler, the only program they use to burn their releases of their games ... alot of people whine about how they can't get dj to work with their burner, and want releases in another format (like nero, or a .iso image) next releases:virtual athlete 2k & Sega GT, nothing our of the ordinary next release:Ganbare Nippon Olympics 2000 8/2/00 "Sega has offered us stock options to stop releasing DC, so this will be it, our last release. Thanks to all who have supported us throughout our stay in the DC scene. Take note this is NOT a joke. We are really stopping all DC operations with this release. We will continue on with the PSX. Bye." granted, this is just crap, anyone who is given stock options to stop what they are doing, don't do it anymore .... just wouldn't release this one ... granted, the irc channel on efnet, #kalisto is invite only... i think it's just cuase they don't want to be bothered... no company would PAY someone to stop doing what has hurt their company so badly other release groups have learned from kalisto, and still release games... good, self booting, quick loading, games ... sega wouldn't be so stupid to PAY pirates, when they can simple just put them in jail, free of charge ... another rumor: is that echelon, a new release group that appeared 1-2 days after kalisto quit, and has released most of the games since, including 3 in one day (which only kalisto has been able to do) is now thought of to be refugees of kalisto just a rumor ... i get most of my info from the http://www.dcisos.com forum and the http://www.isonews.com forum but, if you go there, be warned, there's thousands more lamers, just like atheos, who is just another idiot speading rumors use common sense when thinking people

Taco has lost his mind (1)

bguilliams (68934) | more than 13 years ago | (#798874)

atheos acording to this story kalisto was given stop options to cease...

What the hell does this mean? Let's see, in half a sentence, we've misspelled 'according', thrown grammar and punctuation out the window, and gotten the story wrong. Stop options? Are those anything like stock options?

I preview my comments, why can't you do the same?

If it's unconfirmed why post it? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#798875)

If I wanted fake news, I would go to Segfault.org [segfault.org] and get it there. I come to Slashdot to get quick, reliable, updates.

Furthermore, how could CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] even possibly believe this story is true? Why would a company give you their stock to stop pirating their games? Isn't that like paying you to stop? Why not just prosecute you if they have actually found out who you are and what you are doing?

"If I had a stock option for every game I pirated..."

Assuming this is true... (1)

milkman1 (139222) | more than 13 years ago | (#798876)

It doesn't seem like a terribly bad idea from SEGA's point of view.

Option 1: Fight the pirates (who they may not be able to identify) with expensive lawyers and no hope of winning any signifant monitary reward (the pirates are most likely broke anyhow).
Result: Pirates continue because they are even more broke and have even less incentive to stop, SEGA is out >$50k for legal costs.

Option 2: Give the broke pirates a financial incentive to not pirate your games. Additionally, if the pirates accept stock options, they are no longer anonymous, if they continue to pirate SEGA's games they will almost certainly be punished.
Result: Sega is out maybe $10k for stock options, can hit pirates next time if they don't behave, and are guanteed to win atleast what they gave the pirates should it be nesscary to sue.

On the whole, this system (except for naughty ideas it may give some pirates) probably has a band for the buck of atleast 10 times what legal action would cost.

Re:There is NO way this is true... (2)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 13 years ago | (#798877)

**Adam Sandler's Crazy Mode On**


Hi Bill Gates! I'm CRAZY WINDOWS PIRATE MAN...I am a Pirate and I steal Window's Software...I'm soooooooo Crazzzzzzzy.

Now GIMME SOME STock Options!

Paying off pirates? (1)

not_cub (133206) | more than 13 years ago | (#798878)

Hey guys, over here... Yeah, I'll make sure I don't release any pirate ISOs if you give me some stock options too...

Actually, I'm not really an ISO pirate, just a bored geek trying to illustrate why if they pay one set of thieves off, they'll have to pay them all off. All in all, I think we can say this is bogus then.

not_cub

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