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History Repeats Itself — Mac & the iPad

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the it's-all-just-a-matter-of-history-repeating dept.

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Keith found an interesting story telling a bit about how Steve Jobs operates. It involves small teams of young engineers willing to work 90-hour weeks in total secrecy, and a complete willingness to throw away bad ideas without flowery language. The iPad is surprisingly similar to the Mac."

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514 comments

First Post? (2, Funny)

Ornlu (1706502) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909110)

Does that mean it's about as useful as a BOAT ANCHOR!?

Re:First Post? (2, Informative)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909130)

The iPad definitely has its place...it's just a really pointless place, in my opinion.

Re:First Post? (2, Interesting)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909210)

I, too, was kind of disappointed with what it turned out to be. Its definitely cooler than any of the e-readers on the market right now, but it enough to make me want to buy one. What I've seen/heard of the features to be expected in the MS Courier device, that looks to be more like what I was hoping the iPad would be like -- something more akin to a digital notebook rather than a giant iPod Touch. Hopefully I won't get disappointed a second time, but I'm not holding my breath.

iPad... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909232)

...the name sounds like an Apple-created feminine product, sigh.

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909272)

This message directly caused me to LOL in my Depends(tm) Undergarmets. Bravo, sir, bravo!!

Re:iPad... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909554)

There are a lot of fanboys with sand in their vaginas, Apple had to do something

Re:First Post? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909604)

The iPad definitely has its place...it's just a really pointless place, in my opinion.

The iPad has it's place between my legs during my iPeriod.

90 Hour a week slackers. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909350)

A giant customized Starbucks in Cupertino California where lattes and no soy skim macchiatos are given out free to all employees. The background music involves a playlist of Nora Jones, David Matthews, John Mayer, and Bono on loop from an Ipod docked somewhere in the Apple/Starbucks facility. Hours are long but morale is surprising high as developers, hardware and software, are given 30 minute breaks to masturbate to the new itunes interface.

All developers sit at cafe type tables with a Mac Book Pro while their lord and master Steve Jobs stands deskless in his predictable attire of a turtleneck and jeans. In fact, this is the preferred (mandatory) dress code at Apple. Jobs walks around to each and every department, separated by latte and vegan preferences, and checks on the performance and efficiency of his developers. At any given point in the day one may see Mr Jobs yelling at a programmer for not implementing a button in the perfect shade of corn flower blue (#6495ED) and immediately sends him to the apple punitive chamber, consisting of a HP Compaq running Vista Basic.

There are 2 software development departments and 2 hardware development sections in Apple. For software there is the Apple core team, Apple Open Source team. In hardware there is the Apple systems and management team and the iDevice team. Since the OSX kernel consists of a BSD darwin kernel there is no real need for low level programmers and as such the entirety of the Apple core team consists of UI designers and photoshop junkies. All software churned out from the core team is designed in a program strikingly similar to Visual Studio's form designer but with Cocoa Objective C generated instead. The 16 hour day (Jobs demands 16 hour days since he himself never sleeps) of a core dev involves lining up the right shade of chrome with the latest photoshopped graphite button and maintaining the correct color scheme, not an easy job at all.

The Apple open source team involves a little bit more coding, which is mandated to be done in TextEdit or the option of a $80 third party mac text editor. The Apple open source team doesn't actually create much code but searches the internet for interesting BSD licensed software and modifies it as it's own through obfuscation and conversion to objective C. Many of the items a mac user sees comes from the open source world stamped by apple such as the ability to play music taken from 67 different originally linux based players, CD burning, and the overall ability to click a mouse. Apple's legal department has no qualms about this practice and has assured many that since most of the code is BSD and if any is GPLed many Linux hippies should be grateful that Apple fostered WebKit by using KHTML and adding some Gecko bloat. Perhaps one of the most important items that the open source team has done to date is use parts of the FreeBSD to keep the kernel up to date.

There's not much to say about the Apple systems and management team. I suppose they can be classified in to desktop and laptop systems. Because hardware work is beneath Apple in general and thought of being only worthy of Windows Users and as such can be found working on these beauties in the starbucks bathroom. Desktops are currently made by buying dell machines and putting them in Lian Li cases, where the majority of the costs goes to buying titanium Apple emblems to paste on the sides. Laptops consists of the rebranding of only the most silver and black Sony Viaos but talk has been going around about rebranding Asus EeePCs for a new Apple netbook but you didn't hear that from me, for fear of my life.

The iDevice team's job is to develop for the ipod, iphone, itouch, and many other portable electronics apple may release in the future. Their jobs are very interconnected with the open source team as well as the core dev team. Using firmware from random samsung devices and giving it an OSX skin the ipod stands as a shining example that infringement only applies to greasy file sharers and that the music player remains the best in market. The 16-24 hour day of an iDevice dev consists of partly implementing Zune security flaws and creating new novel ways to make the click wheel sounds, while a majority of the time is spend just playing with (read testing) products future and past.

And there you have it, the mystery of Apple unveiled. Also on a side note to those who are worried about Job's health. He is fine but is trying a new diet consisting of Soy Nuts and Anger.

Re:90 Hour a week slackers. (1)

TrisexualPuppy (976893) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909400)

Okay, okay, points well taken, but you missed one thing. Jobs *DID* sleep once when he got the liver transplant. The doctors refused to let him stay awake. Everything else that you bring up, admittedly, is about right.

the ipad isn't a computer (2, Interesting)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909114)

I think Grossman gets it right in the last paragraph of his Time article [time.com] .

Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909222)

The iPad has everything that any other computer has...so who is to say that it is not a computer? Apple can market it as a "media device" all they want, but if people want to use their iPads in other ways, they should be allowed to do so. Nobody, not Apple, and certainly not Steve Jobs, should be dictating what people are allowed to use their iPads for (except perhaps as a deadly weapon).

The iPad does not need to "mute" anyone, as the Time article puts it. Apple is dictating that it should, because of their desire to do business with book publishers.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (3, Interesting)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909306)

Is Apple supposed to make it easy for you to do anything you want with the device?

If you really want to run any program, just "jailbreak" it or sign up as a developer and you can install whatever app you please.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909394)

Is Apple supposed to make it easy for you to do anything you want with the device?

Yes. Duh. I mean, seriously, read that sentence again.

And because Apple doesn't, I'll go with a vendor who does.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909678)

"And because Apple doesn't, I'll go with a vendor who does."

Which is why no one needs to get their bytes out of order about any restrictions Apple or any other company puts on their devices. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT! So, whiners, STFU!

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909428)

"Is Apple supposed to make it easy for you to do anything you want with the device?"

If the definition of "making it easy" is "not imposing deliberate technical limitations that have no purpose other than restricting the user," then yes, Apple should be "making it easy." I am not saying that Apple needs to post guides or do anything to promote the use of the device in a manner that they do not "approve" of, but it is wrong for them to actively work to prevent people from using the iPad in "unapproved" ways.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909522)

but it is wrong for them to actively work to prevent people from using the iPad in "unapproved" ways.

Such as?

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (1)

Raffaello (230287) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909646)

but it is wrong for them to actively work to prevent people from using the iPad in "unapproved" ways.

Such as?

Installing software written in a language other than C/C++/Objective-C?

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909728)

So they want to maintain a certain level of quality in applications that get onto the device, nothing wrong with that.

You can still run applications not originally programmed in objective-c/c++/c, you just have to become an Apple Developer and pay $99, just don't expect your app to be approved on the app store.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909668)

Installing flash.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909574)

If you really want to run any program, just "jailbreak" it or sign up as a developer and you can install whatever app you please.

I have a dev cert and so far as i can tell you can only run apps as the OS intends them to be run, you can't actually alter anything else on the OS without jailbreaking. Many people don't want to run apps that Apple won't allow, they want to FIX the operating system in ways Apple refuses to do, for instance the pathetic Mail sound no one can actually hear, jailbreakers replace that with something louder quite often.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909320)

The iPad has everything that any other computer has...

You mean like USB ports, the ability to create and run your own software, the ability to chose your own OS, the freedom to download software from anywhere you chose, Flash support, the ability to export and import files at will, etc.?

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (0)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909376)

I mean in terms of hardware and technical capabilities. There is no technical reason that an iPad cannot be used to create and run your own software, there is no technical reason that you cannot install a different OS, and there is no technical reason for any of the limitations. My point was that Apple is dictating what the device should be used for.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (3, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909588)

A timeclock is often a computer as far as hardware goes. If I went up to your grandma and gave her a timeclock and told her it was a replacement for her computer/laptop, she wouldn't appreciate it very much.

A computer in the common sense is a combination of hardware and software. The iPad's limitations in both hardware and software keep it from being considered a computer.

That being said, I'd buy one at $200, just not $500.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909634)

If I want to take a timeclock and use it for something other than telling time, why should I be prevented from doing so?

What if your clock had a more complete display on it (1024x768 LCD), and you wanted to use it to do something the manufacturer did not think it should be used for -- would it be OK for the manufacturer to actively prevent you from doing so?

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (0, Troll)

drolli (522659) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909366)

Its not a computer like any other. Its not turing complete, not even within the limits imposed by the memory. The designer chose to restrict the set of algorithms to be executed to a miniscule subset of all possible ones.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (-1, Troll)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909482)

"Its not turing complete, not even within the limits imposed by the memory."

This is not true. Give me an unrestricted iPad, and in a few minutes I'll give you a TM simulator on that device.

"The designer chose to restrict the set of algorithms to be executed to a miniscule subset of all possible ones."

Which was exactly my point, and which is immoral on the part of Apple.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (0, Troll)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909406)

It's not a computer because it's not Turing complete. And the reason it's not Turing complete, is that it can't run any program. And the reason it can't run any program is the app store moderation.

It has a lot of properties from a Turing machine, but the tape is bounded by people accepting and rejecting certain patterns.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (2, Informative)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909572)

just to undercut you with a technicality, the ipad can run javascript and any and all javascript, apple doesnt (yet) force you through their proxy. Javascript is generally considered to be turing complete.

Which brings us back full circle back to the iphone launch, when you want to run any and all code on the i*, the web is your sdk...

i will happily agree though, that the ipad in its current state isnt a computer, not because of any hardware limitation (which also would have been apple imposed), but rather because of apple's "if you dont play by my rules, i'll take the ball and go home" attitude, even though users have bought the ball, the goalposts and the frickin courtyard

I/O and efficiency (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909702)

the ipad can run javascript and any and all javascript

Can JavaScript on the iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad access all the I/O, including audio in and out? Can JavaScript run a video decoder efficiently? Turing completeness isn't enough; the ability to put things on the tape and get things off the tape in a way that suits the user is also needed, as is reasonable time efficiency.

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909650)

It has a tape unit?

Re:Who gets to decide what the iPad is? (1)

Entropy98 (1340659) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909664)

The iPad has everything that any other computer has...so who is to say that it is not a computer?

The PS3 and Xbox 360 have everything any other computer has...so who is to say they are not computers?

Re:the ipad isn't a computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909288)

Cars have had computers controlling just about everything for years. Are they not computers now that apple cult members can't control their latest toy so start making feeble excuses for the brand?

Re:the ipad isn't a computer (1)

DMiax (915735) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909416)

Do you mean where he fails to note that multitouch is not patented?

Re:the ipad isn't a computer (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909468)

I agree with that, but I think that the negative spin, saying that the iPad robs the user of the ability to crate content, is unjustified. The iPad is built to be a device to access content on the move. The iMac and MacBooks are strongly oriented towards content creation. Why bother complaining when a device does exactly what it is intended to do and does it well? (I choose to complain about the price and lack of flexibility that surrounds The Church of Jobs instead.)

Re:the ipad isn't a computer (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909548)

"Why bother complaining when a device does exactly what it is intended to do and does it well?"

Because it is designed to railroad people into only using it in that manner, as dictated by Apple. Why should Apple decide how I use an iPad? What if I want to use it for something it does not do well -- is that an unreasonable thing for me to want to do, or is it unreasonable of Apple to actively work against me doing so? Maybe you have a different outlook on the world, but when Apple starts actively working to restrict what I can do, I call foul.

Re:the ipad isn't a computer (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909670)

What if I want to use it for something it does not do well

Then you bought the wrong device. If you want to create content, don't buy something that has no useful input device.

Re:the ipad isn't a computer (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909706)

So what? Why should Apple actively prevent me from using my iPad in the "wrong way?" What if I have a really good way to use the iPad for content creation, but it requires me to install some "unapproved" software?

Re:the ipad isn't a computer (5, Informative)

PineHall (206441) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909666)

If I have a beef with the iPad, it's that while it's a lovely device for consuming content, it doesn't do much to facilitate its creation.

Yes, Grossman does get it right. That is my disappointment too. The iPad is all about consuming content, being a consumer. It is unlike a PC which can be used to create content. The iPad is a passive device.

Paranoid hippie leader and all (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909124)

"a tiny group of intensely-focussed young people working in extreme secrecy . . . sets them to work for '90 hours a week and loving it.'"

You mean like a cult?

Re:Paranoid hippie leader and all (2, Funny)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909264)

When burned out all they get a non-compete clause and a life of poverty.
With a cult you get the reality of a UFO, a real boarding pass and the applesauce works for everybody.

Re:Paranoid hippie leader and all (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909566)

I dunno about the burnout part. You're assuming (at least I think you are) that the 90 hour weeks continue on in perpetuity. At my current job, we moved locations. Built everything and I do mean everything from the ground up. (I'm a network/security/voip guy by trade) Our data center had nothing in it. ACs, UPS, all the racks, the frigging floor needed paint, everything was done by 3 of us. Towards the end of the move, we worked in excess of 200 hours over the final 2 week period, and for several months leading up to that point we were averaging 12-14 hours days 6 days a week. After the move was completed and everything was running ok, we rotated off the clock for some well earned rest (paid comp time) for several weeks, and a very nice maxed out MacBook Pro for our efforts.

A death march? Nah. Just the type of thing you do when you work for a small company and enjoy what you're doing.

So I would take the other stance, but that's because I'm naive, as I'm sure someone will point out. During the cycle for this product, they work a butt-ton (not quite a metric ass-ton) of hours, but then receive some sort of compensation be it monetary or time off for their efforts. If they don't, then they have every right to sue the company since they're more than likely in Cupertino and California tends to frown on things like that.

Re:Paranoid hippie leader and all (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909526)

"a tiny group of intensely-focussed young people working in extreme secrecy . . . sets them to work for '90 hours a week and loving it.'"

You mean like a cult?

"like" seems somewhat redundant.

Re:Paranoid hippie leader and all (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909530)

Exactly, just like Google.

Re:Paranoid hippie leader and all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909614)

Exactly like almost any company does. Companies are smart, they know they can get the best work out of people their first five years of so in the work force. After that, they get married and have kids. That means more family time and less work time.

Oh please (1)

gx5000 (863863) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909136)

Oh please, Apple has come out with some Spiffy stuff. The I-Pad is a Vanilla offering undeserving of the apple moniker.. And no, I'm no Mac Fan.

Re:Oh please (3, Insightful)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909184)

Oh please, Apple has come out with some Spiffy stuff.
The I-Pad is a Vanilla offering undeserving of the apple moniker..
And no, I'm no Mac Fan.

If you are no mac fan, why do you use the phrase "undeserving of the apple moniker"?

Re:Oh please (1)

viking099 (70446) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909292)

Not being a fan of something doesn't mean you can't have respect for that thing or show an appreciation for the things that it does right.

I don't like Apple products very much, but they do a great job of being accessible computers and devices that people want to own. They just don't interest me very much.

Re:Oh please (1)

mapinguari (110030) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909302)

Maybe he likes their socks [apple.com] .

Re:Oh please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909270)

What is it with people writing I-Pad and I-Pod? It is iPad and iPod.

Once a dick, always a dick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909138)

No other comment is necessary if you've ever met the man.

LOVE ME, I AM Ipad !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909144)

Love me, please, I am in need for Steve has forsaken me.

It's a freaking arm-based MID. Get on with interesting things already !!

the ipad is not a success (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909148)

I have yet to see people use it. I don't ever intend to buy it. The iphone/ipod touch, yes, people use that because its somewhat practical, but the ipad is a toy. You can say its great and everything but everyone knows its trash so stop with the viral marketing

Re:the ipad is not a success (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909226)

I use my iPad at home, you probably won't see me walking around with it.

Re:the ipad is not a success (5, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909392)

I use my iPad at home, you probably won't see me walking around with it.

I'd be ashamed too.

You could paint it orange and pretend it's a brick.

Or glue some hair to it, a rope, and pretend you're walking a chihuahua.

Re:the ipad is not a success (1)

Manfre (631065) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909686)

lol. I really wish I had some mod points left.

Book of the Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909152)

So which chapter is this in the Apple book of marketing?

Re:Book of the Jobs (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909202)

So which chapter is this in the Apple book of marketing?

The "How To Use Quasi-Geek Fanboi Discussion Forum Websites To Keep The Focus On Me" chapter. And naturally CmdrTaco takes the bait once again.

Re:Book of the Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909266)

It's an apologia for forcing interface design to your own terms instead of following the market herds. To break away from old software conventions you need to get the end users to demand it uncritically. There is also the developers developers developers route which requires less showmanship and more business leverage. Jobs is just going with his core competency here - reality distortion.

Ambiguous patterns are easy to apply. (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909154)

Small teams of young engineers willing to work 90 hour weeks in total secrecy, and a complete willingness to throw away bad ideas without flowery language.

How small? How young?

I'm sure a nice chunk of R+D projects fall under a pattern defined by:

"Some engineers willing to work a lot, secretly, with a boss."

Re:Ambiguous patterns are easy to apply. (1)

DMiax (915735) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909488)

But at Apple they do it shinierly! They even patented the word "shinierly", "shiny", "shinier", and "wowcool!!!" for good measure.

It could also be said (4, Interesting)

arcite (661011) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909162)

That the state of consumer technology has caught up to Steve's ambition. Could it be that we are on now finally able to realize the 'magical' devices that Steve has had knocking around in his head these past few decades? Perhaps. Or maybe Steve is just a really lucky guy. ---or he is just a genius.

Re:It could also be said (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909538)

Xerox Parc studied the 1970's US child and imparted Steve with a magical ability to understand the US consumers needs at the birth of the computer age.
Xerox Parc took the US consumer back to a safe child like state of pressing one big mouse button.
Xerox Parc will take the adult US consumer to a safe child like state of tapping one big screen.
Understand what Xerox Parc spent its cash on and you will know why Steve can always get your inner child to spend cash too.

Re:It could also be said (1)

DMiax (915735) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909560)

It could also be said that the state of consumer technology has caught up with Bill Gates original vision of a tablet PC in 2000. Steve Jobs has a praeternatural ability in creating a demand for his products and/or understanding the market needs, but is hardly a visionary.

Re:It could also be said (1)

EvilNTUser (573674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909644)

I'd be more likely to guess that normal computers simply got boring, and he turned his attention to portable devices. Why would a really creative mind stick to polishing the same product over and over again?

flame suit on... (2, Insightful)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909170)

From TFA: "It was Steve's vision that if you made every single computer with the same exact OS and the same amount of memory, developers would always have a fixed platform for which to develop, making their jobs easier."

I've always been of the opinion that this is one the 'advantages' of the dominance of Windows. If you're a small development house cranking out applications, you only need to make a Windows version and you've got a big chunk of the market - The dominance of windows makes "the job easier."

Article premise is completely wrong (4, Insightful)

gatkinso (15975) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909172)

Let's conveniently leave out any mention of OS 9, NeXT Step, and the fact that for a while it looked like Apple was going the way of the Dodo.

Re:Article premise is completely wrong (1)

dingen (958134) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909342)

Apple was dying when Steve Jobs wasn't around. Once he took back control of the company, it boomed like never before.

Re:Article premise is completely wrong (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909402)

And, of course, let's not forget the greatest example of Jobs' clever vision, the Apple Lisa [wikipedia.org] . And, lest we forget, more modern successes like the revolutionary AppleTV [wikipedia.org] . I don't begrudge the author his respect for Jobs and his successes, but you're right, this guy seriously whitewashes over the many times where Jobs' smug "vision" has failed miserably.

Re:Article premise is completely wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909472)

You're wrong. Steve Jobs' greatest vision was the G4 Cube!

Re:Article premise is completely wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909694)

The iPad has everything that any other computer has...so who is to say that it is not a computer? Apple can market it as a "media device" all they want, but if people want to use their iPads in other ways, they should be allowed to do so. Nobody, not Apple, and certainly not Steve Jobs, should be dictating what people are allowed to use their iPads for (except perhaps as a deadly weapon).

Re:Article premise is completely wrong (1)

cabjf (710106) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909698)

I'm not sure you're making the argument you think you are. OS 9 was an unavoidable step on the way to creating OS X; Apple had to release something while all that work was going on behind the scenes. NeXT was formed with a small group of hand picked individuals that Steve put together. Steve had nothing to do with what Apple did from the mid 80s to the mid 90s. So we have one thing that was probably not a high priority project for Steve, another that actually supports the premise of the article, and a situation that had nothing to do with Steve.

Either this is wrong, or it's wrong. (0)

onion2k (203094) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909174)

The article states, with a distinct air of knowledge and authority, that the working conditions of an Apple engineer on the core iPad team are this and that. Take the "90 hours a week" claim as an example. The author then goes on to state that they work in total secrecy. Well, which is it? Either it's known to be, for example, 90 hours a week, and therefore Apple isn't working in complete secrecy, or it is completely secret and noone knows what the conditions are like.

It can't be both.

Re:Either this is wrong, or it's wrong. (1)

Drethon (1445051) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909248)

Stop with the logic! You are runining this fine piece of storytelling!

Re:Either this is wrong, or it's wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909298)

This statement is false.

Re:Either this is wrong, or it's wrong. (2, Informative)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909312)

You don't get it.

They work 90 hours and then they work a totally secret amount of extra hours.

Re:Either this is wrong, or it's wrong. (2, Insightful)

andy1307 (656570) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909458)

Why can't it be both. Why can't the 90hr work week be common knowledge while the details of what they're actually working on be a tightly help secret?

Sort of Like Jesus and the Apostles (1)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909198)

Those guys started a religion.

Hey, come to think of it, so did Jobs...

no it's not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909254)

The original mac blew everyone away, it was among the first computers with a clean, mouse-driven GUI. It could do everything and do it snappy with just 128k of RAM to boot. by the time the mac classic came out it was an icon of creativity and productivity. The ipad does not even have all of the features of the original mac much less the mac classic. the Ipad is basically a big ipod touch. It is not even a paradigm shift.

The Mac? (3, Funny)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909278)

No, no, no...

You went one generation too far.

The iPad is surprisingly similar to the Lisa.

Closed Developer ecosystem, !"Closed system" (4, Insightful)

derinax (93566) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909282)

The fact that Company X makes a closed system is nothing new, nor is it noteworthy. Closed systems are a dime a dozen.

What the blogs are on fire about, and what we ALL should be worried about, is a closed developer ecosystem. It's Apple's new focus, and if it's allowed to propagate to the open platform we're all screwed.

Re:Closed Developer ecosystem, !"Closed system" (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909544)

Closed systems are a dime a dozen.

While I dislike Apple as a company, let's be fair. Not only are their products quite good (from both a technical and aesthetic standpoint), but they're able to continually change their game. Of the big companies out there, they're the only ones doing truly "different" things during the depression.

Oh, as for "dime a dozen"... seriously? There are how many open systems out there? Debian, Fedora, RedHat, CentOS, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, OpenSolaris - and all their derivatives. Maybe if you were talking hardware, I'd understand, but c'mon: that, if anything, differentiates Apple from the pack.

- Caimlas (I would never buy their products)

Re:Closed Developer ecosystem, !"Closed system" (4, Insightful)

derinax (93566) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909648)

The end does not justify the means. Anything that restricts developer and user freedom in a mass-market channel should be argued against.

And anything NOT open source can be considered a "closed system". Windows is a closed system. What Apple did was to extend the closure to the developer channel, such that it provides a single, monolithic, commercial gateway to the system, which has been very rare in the industry. Not even Microsoft at their most abusive would have attempted that kind of developer lockout.

Re:Closed Developer ecosystem, !"Closed system" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909676)

Of the big companies out there, they're the only ones doing truly "different" things during the depression.

Really? No love for Asus who created a whole class of computers custom fit for a bad economy?

Re:Closed Developer ecosystem, !"Closed system" (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909712)

...and if it's allowed to propagate to the open platform we're all screwed.

Forgive me if I write you off for spouting hyperbole. I think there is a VERY long list of things that are significantly more likely to result in us all being screwed than Apple's choice of a closed system for developers...

Hyperbole.

I just wished I'd patented my idea back in '84 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909296)

I'd be rolling in the dough, as the portable, digital media player, was my idea.

Re:I just wished I'd patented my idea back in '84 (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909626)

You and everyone else. [wondermark.com]

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909336)

MAC = LISA ?
IPAD = MAC ?

Things the iPad needs (3, Interesting)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909374)

For content creation:

  - an ePub authoring program (given Pages.app v1's execrable html export I'd like to see someone other than Apple create this)

  - AppleScript Studio --- let's take HyperCard to the next level and let's use computers as more than glorified memory typewriters

  - both of the above could be merged into a tool to create iTunes LP format files for eBooks w/ interactivity

  - ArtRage / Autodesk Sketchbook / Corel Painter (and a stylus)

  - FutureWave SmartSketch (the program now known as Flash was originally a vector drawing program written for Go Corporation's PenPoint) or some other vector drawing program suited for use w/ just a stylus

  - Infty Reader or some other sort of handwriting recognition software which encompasses not just multiple languages but also mathematical equations (naturally this too needs a stylus)

  - a free-form database / spreadsheet which can be queried in a graphical fashion and have formulas calculated from it, where they formulas are natural expressions --- something like Lotus Improv plus sBook5

But above all, the option of a stylus --- we're no longer Pythagoras reduced to drawing figures in the sand w/ our fingers --- people are the tool using animal, let's provide the most natural possible tool for drawing, writing and calculating.

William

Re:Things the iPad needs (1)

iammani (1392285) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909680)

Jobs *is* Pythagoras you insensitive clod!!

Accidentally intentional (1)

sjonke (457707) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909382)

Anyone who thinks the lost 4G iPhone was an accident is fooling themselves. Talk about a free marketing windfall.

Why 1st gen. Apple products lack "features" (4, Insightful)

Gallamine (610774) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909414)

For those that didn't RTFA, this paragraph, on the small team approach, is golden:

It is this small-team approach that, of necessity, results in important capabilities being left out of the first release. The payoff, though, is that Steve ends up with a central core of perfectly-integrated functionality instead of a rambling labyrinth of disjointed “features.” This design framework is so well conceived that it can be built upon for years, even decades, without being stripped out and restarted. Compare that with the history of Windows, with false start after false start, resulting in their repeatedly beginning design anew.

Re:Why 1st gen. Apple products lack "features" (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909682)

Wow...

that is just.... mindboggling

The iPad definitely has its place...it's just a re (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909438)

The iPad definitely has its place...it's just a really pointless place, in my opinion.

could we just all agree ... (1)

sammyF70 (1154563) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909464)

... that Apple released a tablet called the iPad, which is white, has mutitouch and runs iPhoneOS, and just move on? In the meantime, Endgadget received a JooJoo board [engadget.com] and made a quick video preview of it, there were news about the Notion Ink Adams [gizmodo.com] (along with a nice video too), the HP Slate [engadget.com] , the Gemini [engadget.com] , and probably a slew of other tablets nobody even heard of, because they were drowned by the Big Apple Marketing Monster.

History really does repeat itself... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909594)

Charging you 5-10 times more than what it cost to build the device...
Locking down software/apps from working on anything else...
Pissing off developers from the start.

Crash differently.

Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers. Developers.

- Life without walls. PC

Google "cloning"? (1)

rwade (131726) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909602)

From the article:

Word on the street is that Google has already powered up its copiers, and will be chunking out an iPad clone.

This characterization of google as "chunking out" clones is unfair. Google is going to enter the pad computer market with its own line of products; if anyone that enters a device market is cloning, the 99% of the tech business is engaged in "cloning."

Throw away bad ideas? (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909628)

They were willing to throw away bad ideas, but kept the name iPad? What names did they throw away that were worse? iColonoscopyBag?

Done before Apple by Data General (1)

Jeff1946 (944062) | more than 4 years ago | (#31909640)

Read Soul of a New Machine about a team at Data General developing a computer to compete with the brand new VAX computer. Similar stategy of getting group of young engineers to work long hours on a project. Personally I think Job's genius is producing a product when the technology is ready that really appeals to people. He also has the dictatorial power to push back the release date if he feels that some aspect of the product is unacceptable to him and must be changed.

Finally one quirk of his design for the Mac that I dislike is the one button mouse. I much prefer the way the two button mouse use has evolved for most Windows stuff namely right button=show options and left button=perform something.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31909700)

...they got it right when they said the iPad is similar tot he Mac, what with both having the exact same capabilities and specifications.
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