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The iPad As In-Car Entertainment System Killer

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the spreading-disruption-wherever-it-goes dept.

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theodp writes "Cars.com's David Thomas speculates that the iPad could prove to be a serious problem for automakers that charge a ransom for rear entertainment systems. The base iPad, Thomas notes, costs far less than most DVD options offered by automakers. Ford charges $1,995 for a dual-headrest-mounted DVD system in its Flex crossover. In the Acura MDX, its single-screen system, with three wireless headsets and a 9-inch screen, costs $1,900. At $500 a pop, giving two kids their own iPads would cost far less than what the automakers charge for an ICE system. The Cars.com article mentions some of the advantages of ICE, including being weather-tested to work from -5 to 160 degrees F (-20 to 71 C), and being far less prone to breakage."

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hmm (5, Insightful)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 4 years ago | (#31920996)

I thought mounted entertainment systems were killed by portable $100 DVD players already...

Re:hmm (0, Troll)

FunkyRider (1128099) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921014)

when i saw this article there was zero reply! you bastard, gimme my frosty piss back! give it back! give it back!

And, guess what? (2, Insightful)

msauve (701917) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921040)

Unlike the iPad, they too can play DVDs!

Re:hmm (1)

sjpadbury (169729) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921096)

I paid about $40 for the last one I got.
Before that I got a dual-screen one that was about $70, the player died, but the second screen still works and I use a video out cable for my iPod to play movies on it.

Re:hmm (2, Interesting)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921316)

they were. some people are stupid enough to buy the dvd systems in the car. I used to sell cars and seeing someone buy one of these meant a: they were stupid and b: you were making a major profit.

ps: the $2000 ish units? They cost around $300 including installation.

Re:hmm (1, Flamebait)

Eraesr (1629799) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921366)

Most people would probably not know how to rip their latest Disney DVD's to a format the iPad can play.
People buy DVD systems because it's as easy as just popping the disc in there and pushing the play button.

Re:hmm (2, Informative)

mysidia (191772) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921404)

It doesn't matter, as sometime in the future they will probably be able to re-buy their Disney DVDs for the iPad.

Subject to DRM, preventing them from taking the content anywhere other than their iPad (without buying again), of course.

Re:hmm (0, Offtopic)

acromosh (1645811) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921456)

I mounted an entertainment system once. Let me tell you, it was very impressed.

Sick and tired (2, Insightful)

vikingpower (768921) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921004)

Really. I am sick and tired of seeing posts on /. on the Ipad. It's a waste of our time. Wasn't /. supposed to be "news for nerds, stuff that matters"? Ipads are not news for nerds, nor are they stuff that matters. Yuck.

Re:Sick and tired (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921044)

Ipads are news for the USA's middle class conspicuous consumers. You know, being "cool".

It is not hard to go to a country that is not the USA and see editorial pieces in mainstream papers openly mocking people in their own country who buy Apple products. (I am in New Zealand, and the NZ Herald had a cartoon about this recently.)

Re:Sick and tired (0, Offtopic)

vikingpower (768921) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921082)

Holy shit - i got trolled ! One more accomplishment...

Re:Sick and tired (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921136)

To be trolled, it is you who needs to be responding to the troll, not the other way around.

No, you were not being trolled. Sorry.

plenty of people in the US too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921098)

laugh at Apple customers.

Re:Sick and tired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921124)

I am with you.

IPAD, because the average non-technical user wants to DECSS his DVD collection, rip down 1 movie (more if you buy the more expensive IPAD) and then struggle to copy / play it vs simply bringing the DVD collection and letting the kids watch what they want.

Enough with the IPAD ads disguised as "news".

Re:Sick and tired (2, Interesting)

OnlyJedi (709288) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921282)

Yes, bringing a collection of a hundred DVDs is far easier than storing those hundred on 64GB of flash memory.

Seriously though, if you know what software to use (Handbrake has built-in presets for ipod and Apple TV; iPad is only a matter of time if those don't work) it is a piece of cake to DeCSS a movie and convert it to H.264. From there, just drag into iTunes and sync. For a one-time viewing, a portable DVD player may be more convenient. But if you plan ahead or have movies that your kids want to watch often in the back seat, storing a substantial portion of your movie library on the iPad wouldn't be so hard.

The biggest hurdle to this that I can see is one of security. How do you keep your kids out of your private documents/email? I've seen this mentioned elsewhere; unlike the iPhone which is a more personal device, the iPad is much more geared as a shared entertainment device that also happens to do email and documents. Without some sort of user login to differentiate between family members may cause problems. But none of that has anything to do with the ease of getting DVDs onto the device.

Blu-ray now; that's another story. But find me a portable Blu-ray player first...

Re:Sick and tired (3, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921570)

Yes, bringing a collection of a hundred DVDs is far easier than storing those hundred on 64GB of flash memory.

Pray tell what kind of quality you'd have to rip down to to get 100 movies onto 64gb of flash memory, some of which is already used by the OS and apps.

I think most people would rather keep their cheap, rather small, perfectly portable DVD wallets [google.co.uk] and not end up with abysmal quality, and have to spend hours and hours and hours for the privalage I'm afraid.

I could understand your argument if anyone actually carried their DVDs around in their original standard DVD sized cases, or if anyone owned an automatic disc loading and ripping device, or had the will to literally spend days manually loading, unloading, and ripping their DVDs. But right now, it's far too time consuming and dull a job, for most, particularly when you can just buy a cheap DVD wallet to carry the lot around with you.

Your sarcasm was misplaced- carrying a hundred DVDs around really is easier than ripping them to flash memory, and you wont have to try and destroy the quality to squeeze them into 64gb of storage either.

Re:Sick and tired (4, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921196)

Well, the stories that appear on slashdot are submitted by slashdot readers, so clearly some people are interested.

They're obviously news for someone. Might I suggest submitting stories that *are* news for nerds if you think the iPad is not worth it to you.

Or just turn off the "Apple" section in your preferences, which is much more effective than moaning about it on the actual story, as many people seem to do.

Re:Sick and tired (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921244)

Well, the stories that appear on slashdot are submitted by slashdot readers, so clearly some people are interested.

Sorry, did you mean "Apple shills" or "readers" in that sentence?

Re:Sick and tired (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921292)

I meant "readers", as I stated in the post.

Re:Sick and tired (1)

bit01 (644603) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921624)

I meant "readers", as I stated in the post.

Then you are being deliberately dishonest. You know full well almost all product stories are being spammed at the editors by marketing parasites until one gets through, not ordinary readers. Apple is one of the worst.

---

You're a fool if you think advertising or insurance pays for anything at all.

Re:Sick and tired (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921448)

To be fair, the stories that appear on slashdot are submitted by brazillians of "promoters" looking to get coverage. Slashdot is well read after all. It used to be the majority of stories were submitted by regular readers. But now that almost every f***ing web page has a "share on facebook|twitter|del.icio.us|slashdot|reddit|digg|stumbleupon|etc." button on it I think it's fair to say stories on all kinds of irrelevant topics are submitted to slashdot daily (if not hourly) and it's the editors who so clearly are interested.

Probably because they know all the inevitable frothing at the mouth amongst the "GOD I F***ING HATE APPLE!!!!eleven!!!1!" and "PLEASE CAN I SUCK STEVE JOBS OFF?!?!?!" crowds make for a lot of comments and page hits.

Apple Marketing Spammers Can't Save This Turd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921542)

The marketplace failure of this turd of an Apple product, the iPad, is making the Apple TV failure look tame in comparison.

Apple, and the marketing drone working for them, are getting more and more desperate trying to salvage this piece of unwanted junk.

The more these Apple SPAM stories get posted, the worse it gets for Apple and its piece of crap tablet. The iPad has become synonymous with 'overpriced and useless piece of technology' just like the Edsel was for the automotive industry.

Apple really needs to cut their losses with the iPad fiasco. Move on. There's nothing they can do to save the turd of a product.

Death and Taxes (3, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921406)

Quit bitching or go somewhere else. Lots of Apple fans read _and contribute to_ Slashdot. There are a variety of subjects I don't care about but I know numerous Slashdot readers are passionate about them so I know I'll continue to see those subjects in submissions. I just skip them. The content I want to read is interesting enough that I can just skip over the content I'm "sick and tired" of seeing. So, seriously, you have a choice - quit bitching about it or go read your geek news somewhere else. It isn't going to change so you might as well complain about death and taxes while you're at it.

Re:Death and Taxes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921554)

Apple fans aren't nerds, apple fans are just plain idiots, go and take your religion somewhere else. Whats next? Articles about the benefits of Scientology?

Re:Sick and tired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921422)

If 'nerds' are writing software for the iPad and making lots of money doing it then I think this is newsworthy.

Re:Sick and tired (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921434)

I will grant they are not news at this point. But "nor are they stuff that matters" is not true.

Of course they matter. They are the latest product of one of the largest, well-known computer manufacturers.

Re:Sick and tired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921486)

Typical /. response.
The /. crowd wants embedded devices to run UNIX. Apple delivers an iPhone and iPad than run UNIX. Consumers go *CRAZY* over these devices. They are the most functional and easiest devices to use ever!

The /. crowd complains that the devices aren't "open" enough or that Apple is a bad company despite Apple putting UNIX in to the mainstream and really making a dent in the Win32 market.

Yeesh, can't make some people happy.

Re:Sick and tired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921544)

Like it or not, iPad is still a significant topic. Personally, I don't care for a super-sized iPod. But it is of great consumer interest and is causing changes and controversies in the workplace, playspace and learnspace.

I do not get it... (2, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921020)

Can someone explain the appeal of these "in car entertainment" systems? Seriously, this sounds like another way to not pay attention to your kids, even while you are within 2 feet of them.

Re:I do not get it... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921052)

Best use is for long journeys.

Granted, if you're not driving far they're pretty needless, but I've got portable 2 screen system that I hook up when we're going long ways.

Just a few weeks ago we drove about 12 hours, 3 times. Kids would have gone nuts without being able to watch some stuff now and again.

Re:I do not get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921478)

When I was a kid on a long road trip there were these things called BOOKs. With all the in car entertainment systems one would think they quit making them, but both of my kids seem to like them as they are more reliable than anything electronic.

Then again, as the eldest now has a learner's permit... The youngest and I sat on the back seat watching Hannibal Lecter movies on the laptop on the last road trip. Laptops have an added bonus over ipads and portable DVD players, run the wireless in AP mode and pretend to be a free wireless provider at gas stations and rest areas...

Re:I do not get it... (4, Insightful)

wiredog (43288) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921064)

No, you get it. That's the purpose.

Re:I do not get it... (3, Funny)

Parlett316 (112473) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921070)

Dick waving contest. I always love driving behind a car that has two tvs in the headrests that are on and no one in the backseat.

Re:I do not get it... (1)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921076)

it takes a few minutes for kids to get sick of their parents and start screaming for entertainment

Re:I do not get it... (3, Interesting)

xgr3gx (1068984) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921454)

What we need to do is stop bombarding kids with constant streams of electronic entertainment.
If a kid always has a screen with moving pictures (be it a dvd player, game or whatever) in front of his face, how do you expect them to sit still when you take it away. It like digital crack.
Yes, kids can be a pain - but part of being a parent is dealing with those situations by interacting with them in a positive way.
I'm not saying no TV ever, but people wonder why kids have attention deficit disorder. I'm sure most of those kids can hold their attention perfectly fine when it's focused on a TV. How is a teacher supposed to teach a class when most of the kids are used to constant electronic entertainment?

Re:I do not get it... (5, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921090)

Damn right!

Kids these days with their "in car entertainment" and their "iPods" and whatnot; when I was their age all we had to do in the back of the station wagon was fight with our brothers and sisters and make faces at the cars behind us! And we were damn glad to do it!

Now get off my lawn!

Re:I do not get it... (2, Informative)

sharkey (16670) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921472)

You're forgetting the semis! Anyone who could make an unsuspecting dad shit his pants by getting a trucker to blow their horn at the right moment was the clear winner.

Re:I do not get it... (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921100)

Have you ever tried to survive a 10 hour car ride as a kid? Unless you have entertainment (and no, talking to your parents doesn't count for more than 15 minutes), you will get extremely bored before you're even halfway through.

Re:I do not get it... (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921170)

Actually, I survived many such trips as an only child in a one parent home, and the only electronic entertainment was music. It was not that bad, I did not get bored speaking to my mom and looking at the various oddities in the rural regions between New York City and Toronto.

It was not just my own mother; I have seen plenty of parents who are able to keep their children engaged, even on very long trips.

Re:I do not get it... (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921226)

So the kids listen to the iPod built into it, or the built in audio part of the car entertainment system. Or read a book.

I think it's a huge (and totally disingenuous) leap to go from "has ICE" to "does not pay attention or know how to engage their kids". It is just one of several options available to parents, or even as a perk for adult passengers on a long road trip.

Just because they have a system like this does not make them bad parents, which seems to be the inference here.

Re:I do not get it... (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921268)

Well keep in mind that the "music" I was referring was a radio, which actually led to a lot of fun in the rural areas (at least for city folk like us).

In any case, it really depends on how people use these systems. Someone mentioned that his wife sits in the back seat with the kids watching a movie -- not such a bad use case. On the other hand, people seem to be talking about giving each kid an iPad, which sounds like "leave them alone with their electronic toys."

Re:I do not get it... (5, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921500)

As any parent with a kid will (or should!) tell you, giving them access to things like that is all part of a managed activity schedule, much like access to TV or the computer. You can set aside times when your children can use these things, and for how long, and various other rules. In car entertainment is just another medium where this occurs.

in the same way that multiple TV sets in homes added more flexibility for families where someone wants to watch channel A while others watch channel B, the in car systems mean not everyone has to listen to the radio, which can be a total blessing if your kids really want to listen to the high school musical soundtrack *again*, or the Bob the Builder greatest hits.

Like anything involving parenting though, not everyone makes good parents, but allowing kids access to things like this doesn't automatically put people into that category.

Re:I do not get it... (1)

danerthomas (1633403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921320)

Our kids are 15 and 12 and have traveled as with us by plane, train, automobile and ship both domestically and internationally for all of their lives. When traveling by car they like to have their iPods and a Nintendo DS, but we also like to listen to books (started with tapes, then CD's, now an iPod played through the car's sound system). On our trip from Stockholm to Northern Norway and back a few years ago we also got the kids interested in following our progress on the road maps so they could understand where we were, see what was coming up and make suggestions on what they were interested in seeing, where we might want to stop for lunch and so on. The same would work with a GPS. Make them an active part of the trip, not just baggage to be transported. Everybody gets more out of it that way.

Re:I do not get it... (1)

Calinous (985536) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921336)

I can't dedicate much attention span to anything else while I drive. As such, keeping a child entertained during even a couple of hours drive is very difficult for me. My solution? Drive at night, when the kid sleeps

Re:I do not get it... (1)

jittles (1613415) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921530)

I'm pretty sure most people on here were children at some point and probably are quite familiar with the situation you are describing. If our parents survived without in-car entertainment systems surely modern day parents can as well?

Re:I do not get it... (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921594)

Have you ever tried to survive a 10 hour car ride as a kid? Unless you have entertainment (and no, talking to your parents doesn't count for more than 15 minutes), you will get extremely bored before you're even halfway through.

Once upon a time, many years ago when I was a kid, we used to use books for our in-car entertainment. Worked quite well, really.

Re:I do not get it... (2, Insightful)

mungtor (306258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921110)

They're awesome ways to keep kids entertained when you're on an 8-hour road trip to take them to visit family and stuff. It's not a matter of "not paying attention" to them since they only come out in preparation for a long trip (at least in our case). They're not necessary, but it makes a trip much more enjoyable for everybody and significantly cheaper than flying. Often it's my wife and the kids in the back watching a movie together, talking, and basically hanging out while I'm driving.

Re:I do not get it... (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921156)

Didn't you see Homer's concept car? Nobody wants to deal with their kids!

Re:I do not get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921246)

Should've thought of that before you made 'em.

Re:I do not get it... (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921306)

I agree. I think portable DVD players, gameboys (I know they're DS/DSi/DSiXXXL and PSPs now, but still), etc. have their place on long car trips...but it is a shame how many parents pop in the DVD for their kid when they're just running to the store for milk, etc. These are the times to engage your child. Long trips are the times when you pop in the movie or whatever to keep them from getting into fights.

Re:I do not get it... (1)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921326)

You don't have kids, do you? We bought our kids portable DVD players for our trip to Florida a couple of years ago. Well worth the money. This year, we'll be bringing the iPad along for the ride. Wife and I need some entertainment for the road too.

Re:I do not get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921494)

It depends on how they are used. Our senna has a built in system, but we only allow our kids to use it for trips over 45 minutes, short trips around town we talk. For longer trips getting kids to keep still and not get bored is a challenge. With the in car entertainment system it turns the longer trips into a fun peaceful experience. Our girls watch the built in system in the second row and our son uses a portable on in the third row. Sometimes they watch shows the entire trip, other times they watch a little and then talk. Seeing my son munching on Va diner peanuts and laughing his head off at the 3 stooges or little rascals is priceless.

That said trips around town the kids are not allowed to use the entertainment systems. Because we reserve them for long trips they retain the novelty and keep traditional family interaction when driving around town.

It works well for us. My wife and I had many discussions on how best to use these before we introduced them to the kids.

Re:I do not get it... (5, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921532)

Sure. I have a just-turned-2 year old. Legally he cannot be placed in the front seat (even with a proper carrier), so his car seat is in the row of seats behind me, where I cannot even physically touch him. I cannot read to him, or play with him, or do anything but say words out of my mouth. Last week we made a 14 hour round trip (and Mom couldn't go), and I was very, very thankful that he enjoys watching Curious George and Elmo on the integrated entertainment system, because otherwise he would have been miserable - bored out of his mind, screaming his head off, and stressing me out and taking my concentration away from driving.

We stopped and grabbed a couple DVDs out of a RedBox for a buck a piece, and returned them the next day at our local RedBox when we got home.

We even have a TV and DVD player at our house too. More than one, believe it or not.

Re:I do not get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921592)

Seriously, this sounds like another way to not pay attention to your kids, even while you are within 2 feet of them.

When operating an automobile, you should be paying attention to:

A) Your iPad

B) Your kids

C) The road

D) Cowboy Neal

Re:I do not get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921612)

Try a 6 hour trip with 4 kids under the age of 9 and let me know how it works out for you.

People are less like to smash your car windows... (4, Insightful)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921024)

...to steal the factory installed DVD system than they are to grab the two iPads in your back seat.

Re:People are less like to smash your car windows. (5, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921172)

...to steal the factory installed DVD system than they are to grab the two iPads in your back seat.

Maybe one day Apple will develop an iPad which is portable so that it can be removed from the vehicle? One can only hope!

Re:People are less like to smash your car windows. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921332)

So the kids are going to bring their iPad into the store/mall/whatever every damn time it parks?

Re:People are less like to smash your car windows. (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921450)

So the kids are going to bring their iPad into the store/mall/whatever every damn time it parks?

No, the parents are or they can take the risk of locking it out of sight such as in the trunk. Further, the kids don't need it for short trips to the mall and can leave it at home. Do you start playing a DVD on the in-car entertainment system for 10 minute drives?

Re:People are less like to smash your car windows. (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921388)

I was going to say the same thing. ICE systems are less nickable and harder to resell than the iPad. Also it's harder to accidentally leave it in a hotel room or forget to bring it with you. Not that I'd pay for an ICE system anyway. A cheap portable DVD seems like a better bet.

Why would this be different from navsystems? (5, Insightful)

TomHandy (578620) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921026)

Automakers still seem to charge ridiculous amounts for integrated navigation systems - the fact that you can pick up a GPS unit for under $100 doesn't seem to prevent them from charging $500-2000 for nav systems. Somehow I doubt they'll change anything here either. I figure that the thinking is they can charge a huge premium for the benefit of having a system integrated vs. just a separate device.

Re:Why would this be different from navsystems? (1, Interesting)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921056)

less than $100 for the TomTom and Navigon apps in the app store. New Android phones ship with the same capability built in. some people would rather pay the higher car payment than get a smartphone and pay the $30 a month data charge.

Re:Why would this be different from navsystems? (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921126)

The worst thing about the integrated sat-navs is that they are often worse in every way(except the awkward cigarette-lighter-for-power and suction cup mount aspect) than even substantially cheaper discrete units.

Standalone GPS units live in a brutal darwinian hell-world, where only the strong or the super-cheap survive. Integrated units live sheltered lives; bundled with much more expensive objects. The difference shows.

duh (5, Insightful)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921028)

i figured that out when the iPad was first announced. $2000 for a glorified $300 DVD system vs $500 for a dumbed down computer that can play movies and games and you don't need to take shiny discs with you that scratch easily

and you can use the ipad outside the car as well. and if you're an IT geek with kids, the App Store has tons of IT management apps to give you console and any kind of remote access to almost any platform from anywhere. just in case you get a call while on vacation that something is wrong

Re:duh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921118)

If you're an IT geek you probably aren't buying Apple products.

Re:duh (5, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921186)

If you're an IT geek you probably aren't buying Apple products.

No, but if IT geeks work for you, you probably are. :(

Well played, sir! (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921304)

Now that's funny. Too bad I'm fresh out of mod points.

Re:Well played, sir! (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921330)

I'm not sayin' I'm happy about it, I'm just sayin' that the way it seems to be.

Re:duh (1)

supssa (1789172) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921558)

I develop on linux, usually daemon code for network services, and I enjoy my macbooks, iMac and iPhone. I have no need for an iPad but I think its a cool device. Fortunately for me $99/year to sign my own code and sign other peoples code isn't exactly that bad.

Re:duh (1)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921608)

great support - check
OS is built on Open Source - check
good build quality - check
works with MS Exchange out of the box - check
tons of server/network management apps available - check
gives me console/RDP access to any server i manage - check
OS 3 is up to 176 apps and OS 4 will max it to over 2000 apps on an iphone. Android and blackberry are crippled in the amount of apps you can install on them
plenty of games available for the train ride
my son loves it and tons of kids games on it
i can teach my son to code on it

what exactly can you do with an android phone other than gmail and internet?

Re:duh (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921270)

$2000 for a glorified $300 DVD system vs $500 for a dumbed down computer that can play movies and games and you don't need to take shiny discs with you that scratch easily

To add: The history of quality with Apple is pretty good; whereas the history of quality with Ford is?

Re:duh (0)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921386)

and you can use the ipad outside the car as well

only in your home, or office not outside, based on Apple's other products; Only If your in Southern California or it's not winter or Summer will you want to use them outside, and you better not leave them in a hot/cold car. The temperature/weatherproofing of apple laptop type products are about the worst in the industry.

Re:duh (0)

DCheesi (150068) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921512)

i figured that out when the iPad was first announced. $2000 for a glorified $300 DVD system vs $500 for a dumbed down computer that can play movies and games and you don't need to take shiny discs with you that scratch easily

Nope, instead you just take your one shiny $500 device that scratches easily...

DVD Entertainment System?..sans the DVD. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921054)

Though it doesn't have a key element for kids: A DVD drive or a suitable ability to play the same movies they watch at home.

Anyone who has a kid knows if they like their kids movies then there's got to be a easy way for them to watch it. Most parents aren't going to be ripping their kid's whole collection of DVDs and putting them on an iPad. There needs to be a connection here for this to be even semi-viable for parents. That or iTunes is going to have to try to get some more kid's videos than I believe it has.

I don't think Jr is really going to be all that excited about all the apps.

Re:DVD Entertainment System?..sans the DVD. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921188)

I don't think Jr is really going to be all that excited about all the apps.

Yeah, I don't think I've met a kid yet who is interested in video games.

MPAA lawsuits (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921254)

Most parents aren't going to be ripping their kid's whole collection of DVDs and putting them on an iPad.

That's assuming they know how. And, I wonder if the MPAA will go after said parents who do rip DVDs for their iPads? That was a dumb question: sure they will.

Re:DVD Entertainment System?..sans the DVD. (5, Interesting)

Lectoid (891115) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921584)

I don't know, my 3.5 year old daughter and 1.5 year old son love daddy's "omputer" far more than TV right now. They can draw and color wherever they touch, then send the picture to grandma. Play animal sounds by touching the picture. They can watch an awesome animated Toy Story book as it reads to them (I read to my kids everyday, but try as I might I can't make books animated). She can watch cartoons on netflix anywhere in the house. And that's just in the first few weeks, Who knows what they'll come up with months from now. I went on a trip a few weeks ago and took my iPad and my laptop. My laptop is still in it's bag.

Now I am like some of you in that your against apple's walled garden, but it's a big damn garden and I've yet to find something I need that's not in here.

Re:DVD Entertainment System?..sans the DVD. (1)

microcars (708223) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921622)

My 3 Grandkids are always playing App Store games on our iPhones and iPod Touches when we travel.
They play against each other too. And if there are only 2 devices they will actually "share" (!)
They don't "watch" anything. (movies)

Is there any way to filter Apple CRAP news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921068)

Really... its starting to be annoying.

Re:Is there any way to filter Apple CRAP news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921368)

Why yes; make an account, and uncheck the Apple stories.

good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921072)

ICEs and GPSs are overpriced and have horrible UI. Factory headunits too. Fucking ugly, overpriced, and lacking in options. Worst of all, they sometimes are integrated to the point that you can't remove it.

iPAD vs. ICE ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921092)

I did not notice that this toy has a DVD player...

How bout this? (1)

allaunjsilverfox2 (882195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921194)

I know some mini-itx boards support quad cores. That would be enough to do just about anything you can think of. Emulators, movies, etc. And if your worried about bumps boot from a usb stick. Or if your hard core about storage, SSD.

laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921154)

I always used laptops in car. They have a DVD player (which is the #1, if not the only function of car entertainment systems), and the screen holds vertically by itself while on your lap. Two criteria that makes any $500 laptop better than an Ipad for in-car usage. I also setup an ad-hoc wireless network to play games or stream the movie to a second laptop.

iPad for GPS and Music (4, Interesting)

Go_Ask_Alex (459685) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921202)

As soon as I heard about the iPad 3G, the first thing I though of was velcro-attaching it to the dashboard to use as a GPS unit, with full true Google Maps functionality ("My Maps"). A couple of 3m Command Jumbo Hook "velcro" strips should hold an iPad on the dash just fine, until some company makes a decent suction mount.

Re:iPad for GPS and Music (1)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921324)

There's got to be a mount (or you could probably unscrew two of them and put them together) with suction cups on both sides.

That'd get the job done.

Re:iPad for GPS and Music (1)

Targon (17348) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921390)

I use an air conditioner vent mount for my GPS, no need for a suction cup.

Laptop (1, Interesting)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921232)

For the price of an iPad you could just buy a laptop, with a bigger screen, an actual keyboard, a decent non-restricted OS and maybe even an optical drive.

Re:Laptop (1)

aicrules (819392) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921506)

and ensure that your kids don't have that pesky ability to reproduce. Regular laptops are not actually laptops but notebooks with fiery death awaiting the poor little laps of the kids who watch a two hour movie with them. Plus a laptop playing a DVD probably won't have enough power to last that long.

Old news - very old news (1)

urdak (457938) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921288)

This is ridiculous. Why say that the Ipad will kill the $2000 DVD player when.... The $100 DVD player has already killed it????

After all, for $100-$200 you can get a fine portable player which can: 1. Connect to car or home electricity (with Ipad you need to buy more power supplies). 2. Play physical dvd's and/or movies on flash disk or memory cards (Ipad only has internal memory), 3. hang on the front sit's head rest (the ipad doesn't come with any solution for that), 4. Sit comfortably on your horizontal lap while the display is tilted (you can't do this on the flat ipad).

So what is so new with the ipad in this sense?

Re:Old news - very old news (3, Funny)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921392)

So what is so new with the ipad in this sense?

When you really want to buy an ipad for yourself, and you tell the wife its actually for the kids.

Re:Old news - very old news (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921470)

So what is so new with the ipad in this sense?

It's from Apple and people are desperately trying to come up with a reason why people who aren't into the Apple "cool" factor would buy one.

-5 to 160 degrees? What about the kids? (3, Funny)

Shag (3737) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921342)

The Cars.com article mentions some of the advantages of ICE, including being weather-tested to work from -5 to 160 degrees F (-20 to 71 C)

Great! Glad to know the ridiculously expensive option allows the little tikes to enjoy their Disney fare while dying of hypothermia or heatstroke.

Devil's in the details (4, Interesting)

Dan East (318230) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921398)

We have two vehicles - one with an integrated dual-screen entertainment system (screens fold down from the ceiling), and another vehicle with a $100 DVD player strapped to the back of the seat (actually came with two screens, but the wires going between them got in the way too much so we only use one screen).

Let me say there is no comparison. Having an integrated system is so much better it's not even funny. There are audio IR blasters integrated into the ceiling which allow 4 people to listen to the movie simultaneously via wireless headphones. If the movie is piped through the car's sound system then it is in full surround through the Bose audio system. My HTC Touch Pro 2 has video out, so I can plug it into the car and play Youtube, encoded videos, etc, right through the integrated system. Wired headphone jacks throughout, DVD controls on the ceiling in addition to standard IR remote.
And the best part is the screens fold flat into the ceiling and totally disappear. Out of sight, out of mind, can't be stolen, scratched or have crap spilled on them.

The BEST option, if money was no object, would be to purchase a vehicle with a fully integrated entertainment system, then add an "automotive" PC that can play back through that system as a secondary display (with the primary display being a touch screen in the front).

Find something else to do with the kids in the car (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31921402)

I play cube roots with my 5 year old and spelling with my 3 year old. My 1 year old can not talk very well at the moment, but he listens to classical music.

For $2000 (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921492)

It seems you could buy 4 iPads.

That allows you 3 spares in case they do break.

Most likely, the $500 price will go down in the future, also.

However, until you can insert your existing DVDs into an iPad and play them or Apple provides an alternative, the iPads are likely not a huge threat against DVD player systems.

Re:For $2000 (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921564)

And imagine how many etch-a-sketch could you get for that price!

Are we still trying to... (1)

f0rk (1328921) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921566)

Are we still trying to figure out what this thing is for ?

So far the only, day to day, use case i'we heard people going on about, is to use it as a portable emailer and wordprocessor. I think that's very naive, cuz once youwe had it in your hands, and tried doing some actual typeing, you quickly realize that thats never going to happen.

My Adblocker must not be working. (1)

singingjim1 (1070652) | more than 4 years ago | (#31921618)

Because I just came across a blatant advertisement on Slashdot trying to convince me that buying an iPad instead of an in-car entertainment option was something I would be stupid not to do. I'm guessing the convenience factor of an ICE system is one of the big selling points and the fact that the components are generally designed for a decent amount of abuse. Did Steve Jobs leave this story laying on a bar somewhere?
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