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Lawmakers Want a Space Shuttle In New York City

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the eternal-city-or-500-years-whichever-comes-first dept.

NASA 246

Hugh Pickens writes "Bloomberg reports that New York Senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand and a bipartisan delegation of 17 US representatives from New York and New Jersey have sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden calling for the agency to place a shuttle aboard the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum in New York City. A former aircraft carrier, Intrepid served as one of NASA's recovery vehicles for early space flights. Intrepid officials have gathered almost 57,000 signatures on a petition to bring an orbiter to New York, and NASA is weighing 21 bids from visitors' centers, science museums and educational institutions eager to host one of the three aging space shuttles that will be retired this year. 'These are going to be like the Mona Lisa,' says space historian John Logsdon, referring to Leonardo da Vinci's iconic 1506 portrait of a woman in Florence that remains on display at the Louvre Museum in Paris. 'The primary criteria for the shuttles' location will be the stability of the site and whether the chosen institutions can exhibit them for the next 500 years.'"

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Europe (0)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950478)

Mona Lisa was made in Europe. How about bring one shuttle back here?

Re:Europe (4, Funny)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950520)

Sure, why the hell not? There are plenty of Intrepid Space cadets in NYC.

Re:Europe (-1, Troll)

flyneye (84093) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950938)

I think the idea of a space shuttle in NYC is a good idea. Most New Yorkers I've met are convinced that they are the cream of the Earths intellectuals. We could call it public transportation and start shuttling them into space. Then they could be the Cream of the Universe intellectuals. Of course one shuttle would not be enough so we could use a large cannon based on the potato gun to export the rest of them.
That would be a more liberal green economic solution to the lack of New Yorkers in space. Then we could facilitate Massachusetts.

Re:Europe (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951104)

For the past several years I've been mailing all my feces [slashdot.org] to Ron Paul. Every time I defecate, I do so in a zip lock bag, which I then send to Ron Paul's home address via USPS priority mail. Though I always clearly write my name and address on the return portion of the envelope, I have never received a reply, nor have any of my mailings been refused.

Re:Europe (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951532)

90% of the wealth in the USA is owned by 10% or less of the population. "They" want me to be politically correct. So for their benefit I say NIGGERS and believe it or not, I say that with no offense intended towards human beings with dark skin tone.

Re:Europe (0, Troll)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 4 years ago | (#31952078)

Yes take the example of a painting painted in Italy by and Italian, of an Italian woman in the Italian countryside ...Is now in the *French* national art gallery ...

Re:Europe (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950590)

Pick up one of the Buran models.

Not like they had as much mileage on them.

Re:Europe (0, Troll)

insufflate10mg (1711356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950740)

The Intrepid is an incredible aviation/military museum. I have a picture of me standing behind a giant torpedo and my buddy bending over at the tip of the torpedo. It was great, a lot of the other visitors were laughing and several were pissed, but we got the picture! It would be an honor for a Space Shuttle to be an exhibit on the giant decommissioned carrier.

Love,
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PS: I'm extremely high because tonight I insufflated far more than 10mg.

Re:Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951630)

Mona Lisa was made in Europe. How about bring one shuttle back here?

Wait what? The Mona Lisa is on display at the Louvre Museum in Paris. Wouldn't you think it fairer for the shuttle to stay (more-or-less) where it was made, just like the Mona Lisa did?

Error 503 Service Unavailable (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950480)

You have insulted Islam!

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (-1, Offtopic)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950702)

*sigh*

You are completely offtopic but I'm still fuming over the fact that Comedy Central has no balls and I can't watch the new South Park because a handful of nutjobs threatened to throw bombs. I want to go create a website that depicts the Prophet Mohammad in all manner of compromising poses. Not because I don't respect Islam, but because I regard free speech as sacrosanct. Free speech > your right not to be offended.

Besides, I'm in the United States. If one of the whack jobs comes after me I can find out how effective the .45 ACP really is as a man stopper.....

Fucking spineless cowards. The Europeans have the backbone [wikipedia.org] to stand up to this nonsense but we don't? When the hell did that happen?

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (0, Offtopic)

harley78 (746436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950802)

So, make a website that "sacriligiouses" Mohammad? I think they're pussies too(Matt, Trey and terrorists.) Like someone said, come to my house, I'll show you what a 7.62 does to a piece of meat.

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (-1, Offtopic)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950850)

I don't think the South Park guys are pussies, unless you think they should break their contract with Viacom and REALLY make a statement. I suppose they could -- they have enough money by now -- but they probably don't relish the idea of spending the next decade in court writing checks to lawyers. Viacom are the real pussies here. They allow the South Park guys to insult every religion under the sun, alienating powerful political figures and advertising partners, but fold like a cheap suit when confronted with a handful of Muslim extremists that don't even have a base of operations on American soil. Pathetic.

+1 on the 7.62. Freedom isn't free as they say. Try and force your religious beliefs on me with violence and you'll discover that violence is a two way street.

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (-1, Offtopic)

RoFLKOPTr (1294290) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950972)

I don't think the South Park guys are pussies, unless you think they should break their contract with Viacom and REALLY make a statement. I suppose they could -- they have enough money by now -- but they probably don't relish the idea of spending the next decade in court writing checks to lawyers. Viacom are the real pussies here. They allow the South Park guys to insult every religion under the sun, alienating powerful political figures and advertising partners, but fold like a cheap suit when confronted with a handful of Muslim extremists that don't even have a base of operations on American soil. Pathetic.

+1 on the 7.62. Freedom isn't free as they say. Try and force your religious beliefs on me with violence and you'll discover that violence is a two way street.

Well for starters, it was Comedy Central that inserted the bleeps. They didn't even tell the South Park crew to do it... they just did it before it went on air. Also, these Muslim extremists that posted the threats are based in New York. But... if [some major newspaper i dont remember] is right, the leader of this group was born Jewish by the name of Joseph Cohen before he converted to Islam and changed his name to some Muslim name. He also has pictures of himself with guns and bombs strapped to him on this site. Basically, he's a wannabe terrorist fuckhead and should not be taken seriously except in the case of throwing his stupid ass in jail.

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (0, Offtopic)

flyneye (84093) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950980)

You're both pussies unless you've sent your $30 to Bob.
The Xists will show you plenty of violence and don't care about your handguns as they slip a tentacle up your ass to put on a handpuppet show.
      You took God and turned him to clipart. We took clipart and turned it into God.
Get Slack Pink Boys!

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951766)

They allow the South Park guys to insult every religion under the sun, alienating powerful political figures and advertising partners, but fold like a cheap suit when confronted with a handful of Muslim extremists that don't even have a base of operations on American soil.

Han: But 'powerful political figures and advertising partners' don't rip peoples ARMS out of their SOCKETS when they LOSE.
C3PO: I suggest a new strategy: Let the Islam win.

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951066)

5 words (up to 8 depending on how you read the first), 2Prophets1Cup staring Jesus and Mohamed.

Is that sacrilegious enough for you?

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951290)

Will it include a deep-fisting Shiva or even Ganesh, and Xenu as a dominatrix?
Oh, and of course a very specific burning goat [bash.org] and a pterodactyl [pornotube.com] ! (Obviously NSFW!)

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (1)

colonelquesadilla (1693356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951540)

The one where Xenu gives Lao Tzu a golden shower while Jesus Mohammed Moses and Buddha watch and circle jerk is my favorite...

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950874)

Whoa! Settle down, Beavis.. Don't ruin the moment..

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951172)

Yu can still watch it, if you know the link:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/1405/ [southparkstudios.com]
http://www.southpark.de/alleEpisoden/1405/?lang=en [southpark.de] (German site)
http://btjunkie.org/search?q=south+park+S14E05 [btjunkie.org] (BitTorrent meta search)
You’re welcome. :)

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951566)

1406.

Re:Error 503 Service Unavailable (0, Offtopic)

Shompol (1690084) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951592)

Can we use the same methods? Fight terror with terror. Say, someone assassinating those who call for murder?
http://europenews.dk/en/node/14505

500 years? (1)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950494)

'The primary criteria for the shuttles' location will be the stability of the site and whether the chosen institutions can exhibit them for the next 500 years.'"

Are they serious? 500 years? Good night people.

Re:500 years? (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950536)

I'll give about as long as the Unisphere..

Re:500 years? (1)

grim4593 (947789) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950602)

If we develop wormhole travel we might not get around to developing space ships for a very long time.

Re:500 years? (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950594)

Those can't really be the primary criteria, can they? If so, put it inside the Yucca mountain nuclear waste storage site. It will be pretty safe there for a while.

Re:500 years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950596)

Hell, even at 100 years that would probably rule out displaying it on the Intrepid. Perhaps the Smithsonian, but it's really hard to say with certainty what place could store something that long. Really, they will probably just end up getting moved every century or so, even just to renovate the place they decide on. But nice to see people thinking in the long run, that's not something I ever really expect from the government.

Re:500 years? (3, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951122)

Yeah really, considering how long Canaveral had their Saturn V outside exposed to UV and Florida thunderstorms that's a bit presumptuous, the Saturn V was a MUCH more import vehicle and yet for ~40 years NASA themselves couldn't/wouldn't spend the money to preserve it to last even 100 years.

Re:500 years? (1)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951364)

Yeah; last time I checked, there aren't *ANY* structures in North America that have been around for 500 years. (Some Southwestern Native American pueblos have sections that have been continuously occupied for longer than that, but not the same physical structure the whole time.)

Re:500 years? (1)

Jupix (916634) | more than 4 years ago | (#31952070)

They would like the institution to last 500 years, not the structure. It's not good for the historical items if the organisation who takes care of it goes belly up.

Then again, you could also argue that a 20th/21st century building is more likely to withstand 500 years of use than one from the 15th/16th century. Castles excepted, of course.

Re:500 years? (1)

lxs (131946) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951918)

I'm all for it.
Stick a sign in front of it:

Follies of th 20th century #7344
The Great White Elephant

I LOLed (1)

xxyyxxzz (87887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950516)

At the explanation of the Mona Lisa. Because, frankly, that piece of cultural errata always escaped me.

Re:I LOLed (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950576)

I believe they brought it up to give the "500 years" comment a reasonable context.

Re:I LOLed (1)

Zordak (123132) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951036)

I know, what is it with the obscure art references? Next thing you know, they'll start talking about "Beethoven" (your classical music snobs will instantly recognize him as a composer who wrote a couple of mildly important symphonies, but has anybody outside of the fine arts building ever heard of him?) or "The Wizard of Oz" (some 20th century movie that apparently had some minor cultural impact for a couple of years after it came out).

Hot Properties (3, Interesting)

StefanJ (88986) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950530)

The Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinville, OR has a very nice collection of air and space exhibits. The "Spruce Goose," Howard Hughes' ill-fated wood composite transport plane, is on display there.

When the museum built a new hall, they designed it to hold a shuttle. The space isn't quite empty, but you can tell they really have a hole to fill.

I wonder what they'll do in what looks like the increasingly likely case that they won't get an orbiter? Maybe a Buran?

Re:Hot Properties (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950922)


The Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinville, OR has a very nice collection of air and space exhibits.

McMinville Oregon you say? Why not just put the thing in Bumfuck Egypt [onlineslan...ionary.com] ? It's slightly bigger than McMinville.

Re:Hot Properties (2)

coaxial (28297) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951164)

I wonder what they'll do in what looks like the increasingly likely case that they won't get an orbiter? Maybe a Buran?

Only if they have a lot of time to reconstruct one [bbc.co.uk] . While I do not know the ultimate fate of the Buran, but judging from the last [buran.ru] photos [buran.ru] , I suspect it's in a landfill. Such a shame.

I'm going to miss the shuttle. I watched the first one go up on television at five years old. I had a copy the local newspaper proclaiming the launch in my room for decades. It is/was not a rocket, but an actual honest to god space ship. Yes it has it's problem. Yes, the requirements were repeatedly changed and made more stupid. Yes, being able to return cargo from space wasn't really needed. It's a construction vehicle. And while I'm now critic of the manned space program[*], I'm going to miss it. It's like we've taken a big step backwards back 50 years. As someone said (and I really wish I could find the quote), "I always knew I'd see the first man step foot on the moon. I just never realized I'd see the last as well."

[*] Until there's a reason to send humans into space, why bother? It's far, inhospitable, and boring [boingboing.net] , and colonization is nigh-impossible [antipope.org] and driven by pulp fiction fantasies and crass appeals to emotion, not reason. Astroid mining? Come back when iron and nickel are rare, or they find a solid gold nugget.

Re:Hot Properties (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951340)

I seem to recall an intact (maybe not every flying, just a sample/trial) buran got shipped to a museum in germany a couple years back.

link [life.com]

Don't suppose you could get them to give it up though.

Re:Hot Properties (1)

coaxial (28297) | more than 4 years ago | (#31952092)

Actually, that one flew, albeit only for landing tests [buran.ru] . (in Russian [buran.ru] , but with better pictures) It's pretty much the Soviet Enterprise, only unlike ours, that one had four turbojets mounted on the back so it could take off.

Which Mona Lisa? (5, Funny)

ChinggisK (1133009) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950532)

These are going to be like the Mona Lisa,' says space historian John Logsdon, referring to Leonardo da Vinci's iconic 1506 portrait of a woman in Florence that remains on display at the Louvre Museum in Paris

I'm glad he specified that. I wasn't sure what he was talking about with just a simple "Mona Lisa".

Get a book to see the Mona Lisa (1)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950822)

If you go all the way to Paris to see it, you might be disappointed. It is behind 3 inches of plastic and 20 feet of oriental tourists.

Meh... maybe I am jaded, but half of these [google.com] more than give you the gist of what it is... being in front of it adds nothing.

Re:Get a book to see the Mona Lisa (3, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950864)

From my research, it's not even the Mona Lisa that is the important painting in that hall. Rather it is the painting on the opposite wall that holds a clue to finding the Sangreal.

Re:Get a book to see the Mona Lisa (2, Funny)

Zordak (123132) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951050)

Also, the naked dead guy.

Re:Get a book to see the Mona Lisa (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951772)

Meh... maybe I am jaded, but half of these more than give you the gist of what it is... being in front of it adds nothing.

While I agree with the gist of the point you're making, I don't think you see realise the irony of pointing to a source with so many altered versions.

Anyone got a good link to a high res image of the original?

Re:Get a book to see the Mona Lisa (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951838)

Just to answer my own question, Wikipedia to the rescue. High res original Mona Lisa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mona_Lisa.jpg [wikipedia.org]

Re:Which Mona Lisa? (3, Insightful)

junglee_iitk (651040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950964)

These are going to be like the Mona Lisa,' says space historian John Logsdon, referring to Leonardo da Vinci's iconic 1506 portrait of a woman in Florence that remains on display at the Louvre Museum in Paris

I'm glad he specified that. I wasn't sure what he was talking about with just a simple "Mona Lisa".

Little known fact: the name of that "woman" is also - Mona Lisa. What are the chances!

Re:Which Mona Lisa? (1)

gringer (252588) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951396)

referring to Leonardo da Vinci's iconic 1506 portrait of a woman in Florence that remains on display at the Louvre Museum in Paris

How do you know that the displayed shuttle is not a cheap copy made to save on the expense of displaying a real shuttle?

Re:Which Mona Lisa? (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951564)

Actually, I had 5 copies made. Now I just have to steal the original. /obscure

Re:Which Mona Lisa? (1)

bartwol (117819) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951604)

How do you know that the displayed shuttle is not a cheap copy made to save on the expense of displaying a real shuttle?

Easy...you press the "BLAST OFF" button to test.

Old news (4, Interesting)

djupedal (584558) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950552)

Several cities and domestic air museums have already made their bids, etc. more than a year ago. From Disney to Evergreen, everyone wanted either an airframe or an engine. Evergreen had billboards up for more than a year that have been taken down long since.

No one was interested when they saw the cost to transport, sanitize and decommission just one shuttle.

So what's happening now? Lawmakers= lobbiests for the NYC tourism board begging with the expectation the tax payers will foot the bill? A shuttle wouldn't last one year exposed to the elements on the deck of the Intrepid Sea. Might as well put them on Antiques Roadshow.

If anyone can afford it these days, it will be either Dubai or Shanghai.

Re:Old news (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950686)

Dubai is broke too. Had to borrow billions from Abu Dhabi.

I'd go back to NYC just to see it (3, Interesting)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950572)

If they set it up as well as they did the Concorde on the Pier next to the Intrepid. I was in NYC this summer and the Intrepid was one of the top highlights of the trip for me. I'll never get to fly on a Concorde - or a Space Shuttle - but at the Intrepid I could walk into and through one. While I couldn't sit in the all-first-class seating, I could at least see the inside in person. For me, that alone was worth the cost of admission. And if I could walk through a Space Shuttle, and see the controls and the loading bay, that would be worth twice that to me.

The two are in the top echelon of most important aircraft of the latter half of the 20th century. I think it should be a no-brainer to put them in the same museum.

And for those who haven't been there yet - the Concorde does not sit on the deck of the Intrepid, it is on the Pier next to it. I don't know if there is room on the Pier for a Space Shuttle, but I suspect the staff there would find room for something of that importance.

Re:I'd go back to NYC just to see it (3, Interesting)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950844)

If the goal is to make it last 500 years -- or even 100 -- it can't be outdoors, and you DEFINITELY won't be able to crawl around inside.

It seems to me that the Intrepid museum is a very poor choice for museum-quality long-term preservation. It doesn't have any real indoor climate-controlled space, does it?

Of the museums I've seen, the best choice I can think of would be the the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. The Chicago museum has more available indoor floorspace than any other museum of its kind I've seen. Just move one of their full-sized locomotives, or the 707, into the corner where the John Deere combines are.

Re:I'd go back to NYC just to see it (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951726)

The National Museum of the USAF [af.mil] , located in Dayton, OH, seems like just as good of a choice.

It's about the same size (both claim to be about 1,000,000 square feet) as the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. And there's a request for petitioners (and money for another 200,000 square feet to house a shuttle) here [af.mil] .

The shuttle, like other Air Force projects, belongs in a building next to the SR-71, F117A, an Apollo command module, a Mercury, a Gemini, and other fun stuff of that ilk. Placing it next to a John Deere is demeaning to both exhibits. :)

Also: Admission to the Air Force museum is free, whereas the Chicago museum wants your money before they let you in. And traffic and parking is so much more pleasant in Dayton than Chicago...

You Fa1l It!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950582)

Ironic.... (1, Insightful)

Halster (34667) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950584)

So it seems that the public and some elected representatives still have an enthusiasm for Space and NASA, even if legislators at the federal level don't.

L8r.
 

Note quite (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950954)

More likely it's a combination of NYC hubris and the tourist dollar signs flashing before their eyes.

Re:Ironic.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951774)

So it seems that the public and some elected representatives still have an enthusiasm for Space and NASA, even if legislators at the federal level don't.

"So it seems that the NYC tourism lobby and some bribed representatives still have an enthusiasm for Space and NASA, even if legislators at the federal level don't."

Fixed that for you.

Why Not? (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950614)

From the summary:

[...] calling for the agency to place a shuttle aboard the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum in New York City.

Hell, if they'll just land the thing on deck, not only would I be for it, I'd pay good money to watch.

Headline... (-1, Offtopic)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950630)

I think you guys probably could have come up with a better headline than

Lawmakers Want a Space Shuttle In New York City

A headline that vague leaves wide open to the reader what the lawmakers want to do with the shuttle. Are they asking for a working shuttle, or a decommissioned one? Do they want a launch pad for the next generation fo billionaires, or do they want a museum? Do they want the current shuttle, or do they actually want the vehicle that will replace it?

It's too bad slashdot doesn't employ anyone with journalism or editing experience, they would have caught that and come up with a more meaningful headline.

Re:Headline... (2, Insightful)

beakerMeep (716990) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950698)

Headline provoked questions in your mind, you read on. I don't see the problem. Only thing a professional copy editor may have done is removed the word "a". Or, maybe something like NY Lawmakers vie for Space Shuttle.

Headlines are often supposed to leave a bit of mystery. Whether you like that or not is up to you, but it's unlikely to ever change as long as there are headlines.

Re:Headline... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950878)

The headline would have been much more informative if it said "Lawmakers Want Space Shuttle in New York City museum".

It's definitely possible to push an "interesting" headline too far to the point where it becomes sensationalistic. Like "Are Video Games Turning Our Kids into Trained Assassins?" It doesn't matter if the next line says "Experts say no", because the headline has a bigger impact than the story, which not everyone will even read.

Re:Headline... (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950710)

It's too bad slashdot doesn't employ anyone with journalism or editing experience...

Hooah!

Re:Headline... (1)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950934)

It's too bad slashdot doesn't employ anyone with journalism or editing experience, they would have caught that and come up with a more meaningful headline.

I'm more concerned about readers who fail at context recognition. Context recognition is one thing humans do very well but AI apparently do poorly. I'm concerned that you may be an evil AI. Bad jokes aside, there was exactly one reasonable interpretation of this headline. That interpretation fit exactly with what was actually happening. Just because the headline could mean other things that have very different meanings and simply wouldn't make sense in the world we live in is not a big deal.

Re:Headline... (1)

coaxial (28297) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951186)

A headline that vague leaves wide open to the reader what the lawmakers want to do with the shuttle. Are they asking for a working shuttle, or a decommissioned one? Do they want a launch pad for the next generation fo billionaires, or do they want a museum? Do they want the current shuttle, or do they actually want the vehicle that will replace it?

To someone with even a barely passing familiarity of the situation regarding the space shuttle program the answer to all these questions would be perfectly obvious.

Oh wait. I get it it. You were trolling. Sorry.

Re:Headline... (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951988)

If Slashdot employed journalists with real professional headline-writing experience, the headline would've been something like: Schumer Shoots to Snag Shutdown Shuttle for NY Ship

No... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950664)

'These are going to be like the Mona Lisa,' says space historian John Logsdon

Not really. Despite how much we like to think that we've advanced since 1969, we really haven't. I think the shuttle will be remembered like the Pentium 4, interesting, useful, but a technological dead end. Perhaps things would be different if America actually had a vision of space, but since the cold war ended we've had the worst of all worlds. Lack of willingness for the government to fund public spaceflights and lack of government cooperation for private spaceflight. Apollo will be remembered like the Mona Lisa, it was a large achievement in spaceflight. The shuttle? Unless something -major- comes out of the development of it, I think we will remember it more for Challenger and Columbia than anything else.

Re:No... (2, Interesting)

ProdigyPuNk (614140) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951272)

The shuttle program formed the basis of our endeavor with low earth orbit. LEO is of vast importance. Without the shuttle we wouldn't have near the experience that we do today with low earth orbit, and we wouldn't have the knowledge necessary to go towards the next step in space flight. While the shuttle program was not as earth-shattering as landing man on the moon, it is far from something that will be forgotten anytime soon.

Re:No... (2, Insightful)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951350)

I agree with you except for this:

I think the shuttle will be remembered like the Pentium 4, interesting, useful, but a technological dead end.

Except that when Intel dropped the P4 they had something much better to replace it with. It was a planned and thought-out transition. The shuttle? No better replacement, no real plan.

I also don't see why you'd call the vehicle itself a dead end. Why can't the design be expanded and improved?

I think a better comparison could be between the shuttle and the Pentium 3. It too was interesting and useful, but while it was phased out the architecture was later revived in a new and improved fashion. There's no need to completely scrap something which works well.

Re:No... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951794)

In my opinion he's right; on the grounds that anything can be like the Mona Lisa. It's not really about a crowning achievement. That painting is just one of many good, old ones. The only reason she's so special is marketing, hype and delusional artist hogwash.

The only real reason the space shuttle won't survive long enough to benefit from the same amount of marketing is because it's too big to conserve 100s of years; and the fact that there are 3 of it.

Barak Hussain Obama .... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950676)

the dick-sucking fucked-up bastard who managed to kill the United States Space Program.

What a cunt this Obama.

HG

NYC will be a bay in 500 years (2, Insightful)

SpudB0y (617458) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950706)

Why not put it somewhere that isn't nuclear terrorist target #1?

Re:NYC will be a bay in 500 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951792)

Good idea. We could mount it in the middle of the Great Glass Plain of Arabia at ground zero in Mecca.

New York City won't be around in 500 years (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950758)

It will be under water. Then again, they do propose putting it on a big boat.

You want it to last 500 years? (1)

voss (52565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950774)

Seal it up in transparent lucite panels. The smithsonian could probably do it and still make the vast majority of the ship viewable by visitors.

Re:You want it to last 500 years? (1)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950872)

I think there's no question the Smithsonian is getting one: the question is, where should the other two go?

Re:You want it to last 500 years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950926)

the smithsonian already has one though, they have the prototype, Enterprise

Re:You want it to last 500 years? (1)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951516)

The Enterprise doesn't count. It's more of a mockup than a prototype. Slightly more sophisticated than writing SPACE SHIP on the side of a cardboard box with Sharpie, but it ain't launchable hardware.

500 years? You kidding me? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950792)

I'd worry more about the country lasting that long. It's not really in immediate danger, but hell, we've only been a country for 230 years.

Re:500 years? You kidding me? (1)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950976)

I'd worry more about the country lasting that long

Just like the Mona Lisa has outlived the Duchy of Milan, hopefully early space-age artifacts will outlive the nations which created them...

but that's not gonna happen if they're sitting outdoors on a rusting aircraft carrier.

Re:500 years? You kidding me? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951132)

History will decide what is important. We need to focus on the future. I'd rather leave my great-great-grandkids a moonbase than a shuttle.

Mona Lisa- a good comparison or a bad one? (1)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950810)

I'm not sure what I think about the Mona Lisa comparison. On the one hand, the shuttles are amazing work of engineering even with all their flaws. On the other hand, it isn't like they were the first method of sending people into space. In that regard, the various space capsules matter more (and the Apollo ones especially so for allowing humans to first step foot on another planet). The shuttle's claim is merely that of being the first reusable method of space travel. That's important, but the shuttle isn't even fully reusable. That said, arguably the shuttle is a far more important accomplishment than the Mona Lisa. The Mona Lisa is considered great art by a single human being. That's very different than space travel which has been one of the greatest achievements of humans, demonstrating what we can do when we cooperate with each other and use science. So arguably, as a symbol of human success, the shuttle is far more important than the Mona Lisa.

Re:Mona Lisa- a good comparison or a bad one? (1)

colonelquesadilla (1693356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951610)

Well the mona lisa wasn't the first example of a painting either, so I don't understand that point, otherwise yes. I think it's really a case of apples to oranges, engineering and technical challenges are judged differently than fine art, even if they both contain beauty and history in their own ways.

Re:Mona Lisa- a good comparison or a bad one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951864)

The main difference in my opinion is that technologically inclined people don't value old things. They are just old and useless; maybe slightly interesting but that's it.

Art on the other hand becomes priceless and vintage. It's also more accessible. Even the simplest mind can pretend to savour art. Old technology is just black-boxed junk.

Art is also made to be preserved. Technology is made to be replaced by something better.

Add to that the fact that it's simply impossible to conserve all those technological achievements. Where and how would you store all those "first airplane", "first airplane with two propellers", "first single, dual, triple, quadruple jet engine plane", "first naval destroyer capable of hunting subs", "first aircraft carrier with a nuclear reactor", "first plane capable of flying around the world without refueling", "first ..."; you get the point.

These things are too unwieldy to conserve compared to a small painting or sculpture. Even in arts, the bigger something is, the less likely it is to survive centuries, and pieces of art are smaller by several orders of magnitude.

What makes the Mona Lisa so special IMHO isn't the painting but the fact it survived so long.

Not NTC: KSC, Houston And The Smithsonian Instead (5, Insightful)

ausoleil (322752) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950812)

I really cannot think of why New York deserves one, the city made little to no real contribution to the Shuttle program. They are simply leveraging politics to get another tourist draw for nothing. That's not a good enough reason.

Instead of making one of the retiring orbiters a political kewpie doll, they should instead go to the following cities:

1) Kennedy Space Center.
It's where the launches and a large number of landings occurred, and that puts the spacecraft into context -- especially because there's a restored Saturn V hanging in the Apollo Center, the VAB and the launch pads are there, and a visitor will be able to see the launch site...not to mention ongoing space activities, whatever they are.

2) Houston
For many of the same reasons as KSC, Houston deserves an orbiter because it was the site of the bulk of training facilities, because it is the ongoing center for American manned space operations and because it too has a restored Saturn V to complement the orbiter.

3) The Smithsonian Air & Space Museum
This is the final resting place for most all of America's flighted space hardware, and an orbiter simply must join Apollo 11's capsule, the Mercury capsules, along with the other important space and aerospace artifacts. Yes, the Smithsonian currently has a flight-test body, but it could give that up in exchange for an orbiter.

Which in turn leads me to say that the Enterprise could go to New York, although I would prefer to see it go to the west coast to a museum there so that Shuttle hardware is located across the geography of the country.

Re:Not NTC: KSC, Houston And The Smithsonian Inste (5, Interesting)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950956)

I agree that New York is a piss-poor choice: as I've posted elsewhere, the Intrepid is a lousy place to preserve historically-significant machinery. Outdoors in the salt air? No.

No argument about the Smithsonian either: it's *the* federal museum.

But I'm not sure about KSC and Space Center Houston. They've got a lot of great stuff, but I consider their mission to be primarily the business of spaceflight, with tourism and museum projects second. Also, I'd like to see key space artifacts spread around the country, both so they can inspire a wider range of people, and so that a really nasty hurricane can't wipe out *all* of our space artifacts in one go.

Me, I'm voting for the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, which does a great job of preserving and displaying really big machinery, gets a *ton* of visitors, and could use a centerpiece like this.

Re:Not NTC: KSC, Houston And The Smithsonian Inste (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951212)

Me, I'm voting for the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, which does a great job of preserving and displaying really big machinery, gets a *ton* of visitors, and could use a centerpiece like this.

You know what, that's probably the best answer I've seen after the Smithsonian.

Smithsonian already has one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951436)

The Smithsonian already has the Enterprise: http://www.nasm.si.edu/museum/udvarhazy/

Re:Not NTC: KSC, Houston And The Smithsonian Inste (1)

Trapezium Artist (919330) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951764)

I'm 100% with your first and last choices. As far as I know, Discovery is already allocated to the NASM Udvar-Hazy Annex at Dulles, presumably to replace Enterprise (which could then be moved elsewhere). KSC is a complete no-brainer, IMHO: one of them must be there, where they spent so very much of their lives. I had a VIP tour through the Orbiter Processing Facility a few weeks ago and was almost in tears when I got to see Endeavour at extremely close quarters (and to actually touch it), thinking that this will all be over soon. End of an era.

As for the third, well, Houston sounds like a very good idea for the reasons you've cited, but I've not visited its space museum to know how good it is and how much of a tourist draw it is.

New York is a truly bad idea.

For those who don't consider this a priority, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950818)

Russia has one of its own shuttles in the middle of Moscow. So you can consider it "keeping up appearances" with the Russians.

Re:For those who don't consider this a priority, (1)

masdog (794316) | more than 4 years ago | (#31950856)

To keep up appearances, we'd need to put one in the Smithsonian.

Michel Bloomberg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950948)

is a self serving douchebag. He also would like a foundation along the douchebag lines as the "Rockefeller Foundation", the "Koche Foundation" et all. I hope he gets it; run straight up his ass.

mod d03n (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950950)

to kkep up as

Let Sully land it in the river. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31950986)

I think he's checked out on the approach.

500 years from now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951004)

Cockroaches will marvel at the winged monolith left by a previous and more advanced race of insects.

former? (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951258)

A former aircraft carrier, Intrepid...

Former aircraft carrier? I am pretty sure it is still carrying aircraft. I guess you could say it is a "former aircraft" carrier, as the planes on her no longer fly.

Some assembly required (-1, Flamebait)

rossdee (243626) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951348)

Let them have Challenger or Columbia

Re:Some assembly required (1)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31951634)

Reminds me of the exploded 747 hanging from someone's ceiling in Neal Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon".

Careful of what you wish for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31951508)

Doesn't anyone else think this request could empower a couple of well-placed astronaut-trained Jihadists to place a space shuttle right smack in the middle of New York City?

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