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Open Source Router To Replace WRT54GL?

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the need-a-beamer dept.

Wireless Networking 344

jeremyz writes "With the inclusion of 802.11n in more and more Wi-Fi devices, the WRT54GL is losing its usefulness, even though it's still the de-facto standard for open source, Linux-running wireless routers. I've been looking around for a 802.11n router to replace the WRT54GL, but haven't really found anything besides the Netgear's WNR3500L. At first look, the WNR3500L looked great, but after some further investigation, I found that Netgear hasn't released all of the source, as they should have to comply with the GPL. Are there any good 802.11n routers to replace my aging WRT54GL?"

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Sorry, but.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970354)

No.

ALIX (4, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970356)

PC Engines' ALIX routers are my favorite: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix.htm [pcengines.ch]

(no I don't work for them, I'm not even from Europe)

They have all kind of configuration options, removable storage, lots of case options, they're reliable and they're pretty fast. They run a few distros, including OpenWRT, so you can choose what your favorite Linux or BSD router distro is and have at it.

NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of them (2, Informative)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970378)

NO gig-e low number of ports and pci bus for most of them and most of them don't even have more then 1 pci slot.

to make a one that can use gig-e and n wifi pci-e is better.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (4, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970392)

You realize it's a router, not a switch, right? This is going to be hooking up to your ISP... which probably isn't anywhere near fast ethernet, let alone gigabit. If you want gigabit, hook it up to a gigabit switch. If your network edge is gigabit, get real networking hardware because nothing netgear (or PC Engines) sells is going to handle that extremely well.

As far as wifi, it's mini-pci, so you can choose whatever hardware you want. Want a really nice high watt atheros N card? You can use it and you can easily use any antenna you want as well.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (2, Informative)

raju1kabir (251972) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970496)

More and more ISPs are offering consumer connections that would require gigE. Would be a bummer to get a gigabit connection for $25 a month and then have to lay out several hundred dollars to actually get that speed routed around my house.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970620)

Whether the GigE switch is integrated into the router or in a separate box, you'll still need to pay for that piece of hardware one way or the other.

Routing GigE traffic would need ASIC assisted or server class CPU if you want to do it in software.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (2, Insightful)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970672)

Where can you get a gig-e connection at home?

Seriously, that's total bullshit. I don't think I've heard of a consumer connection that does over 100mbps let alone 1000mbps. Hell, even the new VDSL2+ that was reported a few days ago maxed out at around 250mbps.

If you're going to make claims like this, at least have the sense to back it up.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (3, Insightful)

neumayr (819083) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970766)

It's news to me too, but that 250 Mbps you're talking about indeed does require gigabit ethernet.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970858)

M or m, little b is bit and big B is byte. 250Mb 1000Mb

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (2, Interesting)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970818)

    I think there was one provider overseas who stated that they intended to offer 100Mb/s to the customer. Since most of us are in the US, we aren't going to see those kinds of speeds any time soon.

    I had a quick look at the Verizon FiOS site. 50Mb/20Mb was the fastest residential line they offer. For business customers, they offer a 35Mb/35Mb account if (for those serving or uploading), or the 50Mb/20Mb which would be more targeted towards offices who are downloading more than uploading.

    I know businesses can buy GigE loops. It costs a fortune to get installed, and you have to have your equipment on each end. They may offer GigE service, but I'm sure that costs a larger fortune. If you're sending or receiving a 1Gb/s of traffic, you'd be peering with a Tier 1 provider. That's an OC24 circuit.

    Several years ago, it was most economical for my offices to have their own T1 loops (no data service included), and stick our own routers on each end. I was very content doing a wireless link from my house to the office, and using their T1 at night. That went straight to our datacenter, so I had the luxury of assigning myself an IP from the datacenter at my house. :) I was in charge of all of that stuff, so there were no real problems doing it. I offered it to anyone in that office who had clear line of sight to the office, but no one else did.

    More recently one place I worked was in a building that served as a tower for a wireless provider and they had a GigE loop in the building, and we were provided a 100Mb/s connection from them down to our suite, and paid at 95th percentile for the bandwidth. It was a good deal, but it wasn't anywhere near residential rates.

    We tried to get a GigE loop from our office to a Tier 1 provider less than a mile away, and we were handed a 5 figure price tag for the install. Just the loop, no data services at all. We were going to stick our own equipment on each end.

    Nope, unless you're somewhere weird, you're not going to get those kinds of speeds any time in the near future.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (3, Informative)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970922)

One of my local ISPs in Portugal is offering a home connection of 1gpbs (up and down), plus HD TV for 250E / month. Yes, it's expensive, but it's not a 5 figure, not by a long shot.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (1)

kanguro (1237830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970820)

Google?

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970906)

The important piece is that 250Mb/s won't fit on a 100Mb/s pipe, but it will fit on a 1000Mb/s pipe. So, if you don't have gigabit ethernet, you won't get the full bandwidth.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (4, Informative)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970908)

Real 100mbps do require gigabit. If a router is rated for 100mbps, that's its theoretical limit. It won't actually support constant 100mbps.

I don't think I've heard of a consumer connection that does over 100mbps let alone 1000mbps. Hell, even the new VDSL2+ that was reported a few days ago maxed out at around 250mbps.

Not everyone is from the US, you insentivide clod. We have fiber to home [google.com] up to 1Gbps.
200mbps + 116 HD channels + Phone w/ unlimited calls = 100E/month.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (1)

Ekuryua (940558) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970990)

Uh... What about if you want your box to do good 802.11n? That's faster than 100FE. Considering the OP talks of a router to replace his wrt54GL one can safely assume he intends to use wifi devices. And reasonably one can expect ether devices too, possibly on GbE. So sure internet<->router requiring GbE is rare, but device<-GbE ether->router<-wifi->device is hardly uncommon.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (3, Funny)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971146)

"Where can you get a gig-e connection at home?"

Sweden, where an old lady has a 40Gbps connection. [slashdot.org]

You must be new here.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970772)

and most NAT routers can only transfer ~60Mbps

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970790)

Most...

There are some charts for various dsl modems showing bandwidth and connection capabilities. The units which can handle a significant amount of traffic are not in the low range regarding cost.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (1)

rjr3 (658693) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970898)

Really ? Can you name me 3 ? And if you got gigE Internet you would be running on home-made wireless devices ? I get 60Mb business Internet on a 100Mb fiber, it costs my company about $4000/month. And how much is the gigE going to cost a month ?

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31971132)

Japan, Sweden, Australia (Melbourne), quite a bit of Europe. All places where speeds over 100Mbit are residentially available.

Don't assume that everyone is from the United States.

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (3, Informative)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970862)

    You're absolutely right. Several years ago, we were looking at firewall solutions for our GigE pipes. Lots of people had GigE copper inputs, but when we pushed for details it always came down to the simple fact that their hardware couldn't push that kind of traffic.

    We looked at building our own PC based boxes to do it. It all came down to the fact that the cards couldn't really push the speeds.

    The only solution for GigE that can achieve full line speed is the proper hardware, and you're going to pay a premium for that. You want to route or switch GigE speeds, you're going to put in something like a Cisco Catalyst 6500 series switch (or better). You can pick up a 6500 fairly cheap these days on eBay. Well, cheap in relative terms. It won't be anywhere near the cost of a Linksys AP. :)

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (2, Informative)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970466)

If you need gigabit routing, soekris is coming out with some new boards that have it, but they're 2x+ as expensive as an Alix. They aren't listed on their main page right now, i believe i heard about it through one of the community forums.

I've got an Alix 2D13 with an Atheros 5416 card in it, works fine with pfSense but the 802.11n rates don't work yet so it's still doing 54g at the moment, stable though. Hopefully once freebsd gets 802.11n rate support it will be a good router for years to come. 802.11n on this card might work in any Linux based system though, such as dd-wrt x86 (but they charge for that...)

Re:NO gig-e low # ports and pci bus for most of th (1)

Aczlan (636310) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970782)

Go with OpenWRT, MUCH easier (IMO) to configure from the command line and should support the same platforms as dd-wrt.

Aaron Z

Re:ALIX (2, Informative)

raddan (519638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970396)

There's also Soekris [soekris.com] stuff. I've had my trusty net4801 for many years now, running off the same 2GB CF card. I'm running OpenBSD + PF. I originally set it up to provide wireless to my house from a cable connection. Recently I moved into a place that already had wireless, so by simply changing a couple macros in PF, I am now feeding wireless into my wired PC, essentially the same thing as a wireless gateway, but in reverse. Try that with a wireless router you get at Best Buy.

Soekris gear is a bit on the pricey side, but it's pretty damned durable stuff. If you're looking for something cheaper, Atom-based motherboards are relatively inexpensive these days. Get an old case, a new mobo, and a wireless PCI card and you're good to go. I did something similar with an old Pentium Pro for the 3 years prior to the Soekris (which has been running 24/7 now for about 5).

Re:ALIX (1)

ooshna (1654125) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970880)

You know I have been wanting to do that with my wrt54g v3 my damn wireless adapter is no longer supported so no 64bit drivers and never any linux drivers.

Re:ALIX (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971052)

when my 'plastic firewall' gave up about 5 yrs ago, I got a soekris netbsd box. I drove down to his location near santa cruz to buy it there. it was expensive ($400 for it with box and psu) but it was a nicely supported fanless cf-boot based firewall.

I recently moved to a new house and had to renumber my network. the soekris has an easy web interface (monowall) and I was up and running quickly.

been running for years, now. in a diff class than the typical plastic firewalls you get at BB.

(found photo of it that I took:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/linux-works/1655498926/ [flickr.com] )

SISO (was: ALIX) (1)

Coert (1710558) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970632)

A few years back, I posted my notes on how to build a wifi router using Linux and a SBC (http://siso.sourceforge.net/). It served me well in the past 5 years. I am sure this can be updated with a fresh kernel and 802.11n.

Re:ALIX (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970768)

Larry, do you mind answering a question for the clueless?

You're talking about building your own router, right? Not just buying some Linksys and putting DD-WRT or something but getting a regular pc case and a motherboard, power supply, etc?

Do I have that right? If I wanted to have 802.11n all around my house (which requires me to use a router in bridge mode), would I be able to do that by building the kind of router you're talking about? I've been wondering the same thing that I believe the poster of this story is asking: Is there an 802.11n router onto which I could put some open source firmware so I can make bridges?

Or do I have the whole thing wrong? I understand that this is not tom's hardware and I shouldn't be asking you for help, but if you or anyone else could answer this question, I'd appreciate it.

Re:ALIX (1)

hardburn (141468) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970944)

You can do it, you just have to be picky about the hardware. Only a handful of wireless-N cards on Linux can work as an AP, and a lot of them are a bit older and harder to find. Though your options open up a bit if you're willing to settle for ad-hoc mode.

Personally, I went with the WNR3500L. Despite the problems noted in the summary, DD-WRT has worked very well for me on it.

Re:ALIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31971170)

I know its not open source, but I used to use this stuff to run my WISP and I still use one of these at home. Great product/functionality and the Mikrotik license is cheap. Probably comes with it.
http://www.routerboard.com/pricelist.php?showProduct=54

Here you go (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970364)

DDWRT Supported Devices [dd-wrt.com]

CTRL+F

"b/g/n"

Conversation over.

Re:Here you go (2, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970418)

Build your own out of Mini-ITX with, compact flash, mini-pci wi-fi, PCI etherenet switch.
For the lulz.

Re:Here you go (1)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970422)

seconded.

Re:Here you go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970476)

I got lucky, the second wireless router I got was a Linksys by Cisco WRT310N and support 802.11b/g/n and has gbit 4-port switch and gbit WAN port. And it supports dd-wrt

Port Forwarding is a bit strange, you have to do by ranges(Port Range Forwarding), can't forward single ports for some reason.

But I love it and hope i don't have to upgrade anytime soon. (802.11n Draft is only supported)

I can get 800mbit throughput easily via it.

Re:Here you go (1)

fatalwall (873645) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970716)

In most cases you can set the port you want in both boxs and giving you a single port forwarded.

Re:Here you go (4, Interesting)

TeamSPAM (166583) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970506)

Also from the news [dd-wrt.com] on the dd-wrt site. It looks like Buffalo will be shipping some of their high performance routers with the dd-wrt firmware.

Re:Here you go (1)

karnal (22275) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970694)

My memory is a little fuzzy on this - but it seems to me that there was some patent issue with Buffalo and they weren't allowed to sell their b/g routers in the US for a while?

I have a Buffalo B/G router - bought specifically for it's high compatibility with DD-WRT. Best purchase of a router that I've ever made, rock friggin solid - even with the Buffalo stock firmware, never had a day of downtime unlike my netgear that would freak the moment I opened up utorrent.

Re:Here you go (5, Informative)

Baloo Uriza (1582831) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970598)

Not quite. DDWRT's also got some proprietary issues. I think you meant OpenWRT [openwrt.org] , from the same people who brought you Debian.

Re:Here you go (5, Insightful)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971032)

Yes 'openwrt' which mocks new users and slams any questions with RTFM yet there is no manual and other obnoxious crap. Also their 'product' is as immature as they are with many user reports of bricked routers which the 'developers' h00t and h0ller and mock the user about.

Re:Here you go (1)

Baloo Uriza (1582831) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971070)

Not sure which OpenWRT you're talking about but it's definitely not the one the rest of the world's familiar with.

Re:Here you go (1)

xwizbt (513040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970680)

Doesn't work for me at all.

Re:Here you go (1)

Dr. Zim (21278) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971084)

It's Apple-F, you insensitive clod!

Soekris Engineering (2, Informative)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970372)

Soekris Engineering [soekris.com] makes low power computers that you could easily turn into a router using whatever choice of free/open source operating systems that you like. I have used OpenBSD on one of these with amazing success.

Re:Soekris Engineering (2, Informative)

jgreco (1542031) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970860)

The Soekris platforms are getting a bit dated. You may have some of the same problems with the Soekris that you'd have with a WRT54G: slow CPU, only 10/100 ethernet, etc. On the other hand, the Soekris are i386-compatible, generally have more memory, and you can add gobs of flash and other options. The latest stuff (net55xx) is somewhat faster, but even that's a bit dated and limited performance-wise, sadly.

WRT160NL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970380)

There was big hype when the WRT160NL was released, since it, like the WRT54GL, has the L suffix.. and runs Linux. What happened to that one?

Re:WRT160NL (1)

BennyB2k4 (799512) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970676)

The WRT160NL just got DDWRT support a few weeks ago. I bought it before DDWRT support hoping to run OpenWRT, but never got around to building a serial terminal interface for it.

I built my own... (4, Interesting)

corychristison (951993) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970382)

I was in the same situation... WRT45GL just wasn't cutting it anymore.

So I bought a small ITX board that supports PCI-E, at least 1GB of RAM, a dual-interface PCI-E network card, a case that could house it and a good gigabit switch. I currently run pfSense 1.2.3 off a 1GB USB flash drive.

I deal only with wired clients in my network so this doesn't address the Wifi portion of the question.

I'm not listing any hardware because it changes all too often.

This is the expensive route to go but I felt it was worth it for my needs.

More than likely you won't need the PCI-E dual-interface network card and an onboard dual-nic ITX board would suffice. I just happened to have mine from a previous project.

I built mine before the Intel Atom craze hit the streets. I don't know if they are powerful enough from experience although I'm sure you'd be fine.

As always with hardware and networking, YMMV.

Re:I built my own... (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970830)

I doubt any of the atom processors would even blink at a little firewall chain. A modem pentium chip has more then enough power to handle most routing needs.

Now, if you want to support some really high end traffic then you have other things to worry about other then processor limitations.

Netgear WNDR3700 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970386)

Netgear's firmware is based on OpenWRT for this router as well, and the official OpenWRT runs on it as of Backfire 10.03. Wireless works with the ath9k open source drivers. It has great performance and works well with the open source 3rd party firmware.

or WRT54GL + built-in ADSL; would simplify things (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970420)

No, really, I want a direct WRT54GL successor with ADSL, n and USB for external storage or webcam. Its look, its industrial form, is simply too good to abandon... ;/

Re:or WRT54GL + built-in ADSL; would simplify thin (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970490)

Most DSL providers will give you a bridging adapter when you subscribe, i'd rather they just give me the equipment i need to terminal an ethernet connection and take it from there.

What do you gain by keeping the ADSL connection itself inside the router?

Re:or WRT54GL + built-in ADSL; would simplify thin (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970626)

In part of the world I live they offer either USB "modems" or, via ridiculous premium, a router with ADSL of their choosing. Of course a model which is a complete shit usually anyway.

Less clutter (also control-wise), less PSUs, less energy used is no gain?

Re:or WRT54GL + built-in ADSL; would simplify thin (1)

Polo (30659) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970650)

I would love this too, and would buy it in an instant.

There is benefit to a smart unified home gateway.

Not everyone wants multiple devices to power, administer and troubleshoot.

Now, people who live with just one device are usually stuck with whatever their DSL provider give them -- a device with limited features or configurability.

Re:or WRT54GL + built-in ADSL; would simplify thin (1)

kcbnac (854015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970808)

One less device to manage, power, and locate space for. Why not simplify things?

separate the two... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970424)

At this point I'm a bigger advocate of having a dedicated router and separate access points for wireless. Push comes to shove, get an N access point and shut the AP in your WRT down.

Dont get a dedicated consumer router (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970436)

Pickup an old computer or laptop (I did this with an old laptop I had collecting dust) and a decent wifi card.. and set it up as a dedicated router. the total cost should be comparable to a higher end consumer wifi base (maybe even a WNR3500L) but the setup can be waaaaaayyyyy more powerful. You can put dd-wrt on it or do a custom linux/bsd setup or whatever.....numerous choices. On top of that upgrading to the newest standard is way cheaper in the future.. since its just a part swap not a full equipment switch out. Try and get a low watt pc or a laptop so long term energy costs stay down (laptop pref)

ASUS RT-N16 (4, Informative)

TheDawgter (152771) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970438)

The ASUS RT-N16 is the best consumer product I've found for dd-wrt so far. 128Mb RAM and 480mHz processor, 802.11n and 2 usb ports.

Re:ASUS RT-N16 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970644)

The ASUS RT-N16 is the best consumer product I've found for dd-wrt so far. 128Mb RAM and 480mHz processor, 802.11n and 2 usb ports.

Seconded - upgraded to the Asus RT-N16 from the Buffalo HP-G54 and both running DD-Wrt and it runs beatifully. The HP-G54 is a good client bridge now.

WRT160NL? (1)

Crimson Wing (980223) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970440)

Been out for a while, so there's probably something newer that's got better specs, but this is the one I remember off the top of my head.

Re:WRT160NL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970726)

I picked mine up about two weeks ago, slapped DDWRT on it, and have been extremely happy. Note that www.dd-wrt.com has two firmwares. Load the initial firmware, then reflash with the second, full-featured firmware (just like the documentation tells you).

Best Buy has the WRT160N refurbished for $40 + S&H. Just head over to their site and search for "WRT160N" and you'll see it.

HTH.

No suggestions, but ... (1)

jgreco (1542031) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970448)

Keep in mind that the WRT54G's have a relatively slow CPU and couldn't even max out G. Bridging between the wifi and the built in switch is, AFAIR, a software affair, so even using it as a pure AP is less-than-full-throughput.

WNDR3700 (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970454)

WNDR3700 + dd-wrt should fit well once dd-wrt is out of alpha/beta.

Re:WNDR3700 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970616)

this is probably the best counsumer router out there
concurent dual band 802.11n
680 MHz MIPS 24k CPU
64 MB RAM
8 MB flash
USB port
Gigabit switch
good range and performance
supported by OpenWRT 10.03

Buffalo Technology gets my vote. (2, Informative)

Banichi (1255242) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970474)

Buffalo Technology http://www.buffalotech.com/ [buffalotech.com] is my starting point for all my future networking needs. I don't need anything more than a windows compatable 802.11g router for the foreseeable future, so I have no experience with linux compatability or open source availability.

I bought a WHR-HP-G54 a few years back and am thrilled with it. I think I've only needed to reboot it twice since I bought it and neither time was the routers fault. Possibly the simplest to get working, user friendliest, least problematic piece of tech I've ever owned.

Re:Buffalo Technology gets my vote. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970536)

Just a little bit of advice. If you don't have any idea what the question is asking, don't try to answer it.

Re:Buffalo Technology gets my vote. (1)

c41rn (880778) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970604)

I second the vote for Buffalo. I've been running my WHR-HP-G54 for a couple years with no problems and I've been using the Tomato firmware.

I was just shopping last night for a similar router that would support 802.11n and I found the Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH router. It looks like this router supports DD-WRT and it appears that it will even ship with DD-WRT as the default firmware in a month or two [dd-wrt.com] . That's what I'll be buying.

I'm very happy with my asus wl-500w (4, Informative)

Some1too (1242900) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970504)

I'm very happy with the unit for the following reasons:

1) crack it open and you can remove the wireless card and replace it with your own.

2) will run with openwrt

3) I'm shocked at the amount of abuse mine took. The wireless card had been glued to the router board using some kind of foam. I think the combination of the glue used and the heat from the device made it stick together strongly. I ended up using a pair of scissors to pry them apart and I thought for certain I had ruined either the card of the router board. Much to my surprise when I unbent the clips for the card it started working fine (I was prepared to trash the router in order to try and get the card out).

4) I've flashed the unit several times between the stock and various other images. The thing always comes back from the dead if you take your time and understand what you're doing. I guess it's firmware has some issue in how it addresses the interfaces which causes a conflict when trying to run something like FON (or so I'm told. Not certain how this applies if you're running openwrt). I bought mine a few years ago now when the N standard wasn't on a lot of hardware at the time. I haven't tested it's functionality in that regard.

I'm planning on buying a decent Atheros based card for it and use it in Sept. Hope this was helpful in some way.

Cheers, S.

Re:I'm very happy with my asus wl-500w (4, Funny)

rueger (210566) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970684)

... crack it open and you can remove the wireless card and replace it with your own ... the wireless card had been glued to the router board ... I ended up using a pair of scissors to pry them apart and I thought for certain I had ruined either the card or the router board.

God I love slashdot.... always the best advice!

Ubiquiti (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970516)

Problem Solved. [ubnt.com]

Trendnet TEW-652BRP (2, Informative)

psych-major (767984) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970526)

http://www.trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=185_TEW-652BRP&cat=41 [trendnet.com]
Usually goes for $35
Nearly Identical to the more expensive Dlink DIR-615
Runs incredibly well on DD-WRT firmware

--or--

Compile your own firmware from Trendnet's source code.
http://www.trendnet.com/downloads/list_gpl.asp [trendnet.com]

Haven't seen free N yet (2, Interesting)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970560)

Lack of free firmware(I need Tomato) is the reason I'm still on 802.11g in my home. I have an WRT54G as the main router and an ASUS WL-520GU creating a wireless bridge to the living room.

Re:Haven't seen free N yet (1)

TheDawgter (152771) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970592)

Look again, the ath9k chipset has open source drivers.

Re:Haven't seen free N yet (1)

chill (34294) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970656)

dd-wrt on a Linksys WRT600N (atheros chipset) has had N for quite some time now.

Re:Haven't seen free N yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31971130)

DD-WRT sucks though. He said Tomato for a reason.

Bump it up (1)

wing03 (654457) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970576)

WRT54GL is great.... I've even got two setup in a wireless bridge that's 400meters apart.

the link says 36Mbps while actual throughput on the graphs is 18-19Mbps, half duplex of course.

A direct replacement with GigE and 802.11n along with the change-able antennas would be perfect.

C'mon Linksys, bring it on!!!!

TP-Link WR1043ND (1)

cciRRus (889392) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970622)

TP-Link WR1043ND [tp-link.com] can be installed with OpenWRT or DD-WRT (beta right now, I think). This wifi router supports 802.11n and gigabit LAN. You might wanna check it out.

Here's Three with USB (4, Informative)

sciurus0 (894908) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970688)

The ASUS RT-N16, Linksys WRT610N, and Netgear WNR3500L look promising. They're all supported by dd-wrt and in theory could work with openwrt. The Asus is some nice hardware [openwrt.org] for $90.

Linksys E2100L (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970734)

I'm not sure if you can install your own firmware on this, but it says it runs Linux:

http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/Routers/Linksys-E2100L-Advanced-Wirelessn-router-linux_stcVVproductId97826162VVcatId551966VVviewprod.htm

Just for completion... (1)

Mr. DOS (1276020) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970754)

The WRT160NL [linksysbycisco.com] was designed to be the direct successor to the WRT54GL. It doesn't seem to have taken off, though, and while it supports Wireless N, for whatever reason, it doesn't support Gigabit Ethernet.

WNDR3700 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970770)

There was a recent release of OpenWRT that "officially" adds support for it, for a standard consumer router its probably the best one available right now.

In the long run atheros chipsets look like the safest bet for open source, despite the hardware OEMs being sloppy. True full N support outside of binaries (let alone non-windows in general) is almost nonexistent which is where atheros is actually still making an effort.

Broadcom has been giving linux the middle finger for awhile (or forever) I don't know why some people are trying to keeping holding onto that camp. I'm looking at you, DD-WRT...
The whole linksys thing was a giant lucky fluke that had to be forced.
Similar attitudes can be found from most of the other big chip vendors.

Intel has good client blob drivers, but they don't care about master mode which is needed to do anything in an AP.

Tomato? (2, Insightful)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970778)

Any chance that any of these support tomato? Can't use dd-wrtafter running tomato.

Re:Tomato? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31970938)

Any chance that any of these support tomato? Can't use dd-wrtafter running tomato.

I flashed mine using the web utility in tomato to dd-wrt, works for me.

Re:Tomato? (1)

Norny (9940) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971112)

Yes, you can switch from Tomato to DD-WRT. Just upload DD-WRT through the Tomato firmware uploader. I've done it on my WRT54GL. A few WRT models have customized mini DD-WRT images to start with as an initial flash, so check out your specific model first.

Re:Tomato? (1)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971140)

Uh, I'm pretty sure they meant they "can't" use DD-WRT after experiencing the much better Tomato firmware. I have to agree and it's why I'm still on G routers.

Linksys Refurbished WRT610N-RM (3, Informative)

r6_jason (893331) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970798)

The Linksys Refurbished WRT610N-RM for $110 free shipping in the US. The router might not be "open source" but you can and should load dd-wrt onto it. http://homestore.cisco.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=83108078&categoryId=85185 [cisco.com] http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Linksys_WRT610N [dd-wrt.com]

Re:Linksys Refurbished WRT610N-RM (2, Informative)

Alereon (660683) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970954)

This is the best idea, I have a Linksys WRT610Nv1 running the current DD-WRT firmware and it runs great. It has dual-simultaneous-N so you can have 802.11n networks on both the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands, and its routing throughput is excellent as well. You can also use its USB port as a NAS in DD-WRT and I think you can share some USB printers as well, which is cool.

Re:Linksys Refurbished WRT610N-RM (1)

FliesLikeABrick (943848) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971026)

I have dd-wrt running on a WRT610Nv2 just fine (stable and great performance):
root@AptGetMooN:~# uptime
  03:26:38 up 46 days, 1:23, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
root@AptGetMooN:~# uname -a
Linux AptGetMooN 2.6.24.111 #785 Tue Feb 23 05:15:36 CET 2010 mips unknown
Release: 02/23/10 (SVN revision: 13972)

I had originally bought it because my apartment compelx has so many 2.4GHz access points and other devices in the band that I can't get any reasonable, sustained throughput and levels of packet loss on any channel.

I bricked it at first by using a kernel 2.4 image by accident, but it is trivial to mod a serial port/jack into the case for serial access (I bought a cheap Nokia 3.3v serial to USB adapter and gave it a 3/32" audio plug to plug into the WRT610N with)

I can hit 12MB [yes bytes]/s to wireless clients from the wired LAN, and 18MB/s from wireless clients to the wired LAN

I'm definitely happy with this since unbricking it, in all respects. With the serial port, now I don't need to worry about future software updates going sideways either.

RouterStation Pro (5, Interesting)

mulaz (1538147) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970816)

RouterStation Pro [ubnt.com] has everything:

-gigE
-mini pci slot for wifi cards
-enough ram for pretty much anything

(some assembly required :))

I do not work for them, and am not payed by them, just a happy user

XEN (2, Interesting)

Sam36 (1065410) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970822)

I have been pretty happy with a debian setup with xen. I have debian as the dom0. Then 2 other virtual debian installs. One as a router with 3 nics and shorewall, squid, and some other stuff, the other as a webserver through a virtual dmz to the router. http://www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay.html [shorewall.net] Other than that there are distros like smoothwall and ipcop if you want a full distro firewall. I never could get good through put though stuff like the wrt routers which would trash voip convos.

TP-LINK TL-WR1043ND (1)

obi (118631) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970854)

The TP-LINK TL-WR1043ND seems to be a pretty good deal.

802.11n, gigabit ethernet, usb2 port, ath9k-based and pretty cheap. Anything else you'd need?

WRT320N (1)

snugge (229110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970920)

...with dd-wrt.

good thruput.

no dual radio, though.

LannerInc (1)

Icyfire0573 (719207) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970952)

http://www.lannerinc.com/ [lannerinc.com] ; I've been searching for a new router/server combo for the last few weeks online and have been looking for various SBC devices. I haven't purchased one of their products yet but I'm looking at getting something like http://www.lannerinc.com/Network_Application_Platforms/Network_Processor_Platforms/MR-301 [lannerinc.com] to get going on, with 512MB of RAM and a 1.2 Ghz processor and the ability to add a laptop harddrive and a mini-pci slot for wireless. I expect it to do all the normal things a home server should mail, voip, dns, dhcp, dlna, nfs and torrents. If anyone has a better idea about this let me know but this is about as good as it gets with 5GBE ports so I can use the NFS at full speed internally and as someone said way above this if my 3MBs DSL ever suddenly grows to 500MBps I will totally be prepared

ASUS RT-N16 (4, Informative)

200_success (623160) | more than 4 years ago | (#31970978)

The ASUS RT-N16 is an awesome router that is supported by DD-WRT [dd-wrt.com] and has been reported to work with Tomato. The stock firmware is pretty good too. It has some impressive specifications:

  • 802.11 b / g / draft-N at 2.4 GHz
  • 128 MB RAM
  • 32 MB flash
  • Broadcom4718A
  • 2 USB ports

You should be able to find one for about $100.

Re:ASUS RT-N16 (1)

Zerth (26112) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971062)

The ASUS RT-N16 is an awesome router that is supported by DD-WRT and has been reported to work with Tomato.

If Tomato supports N on that, I'll need to get one. I've got a Asus 500 with Tomato that has been awesome blocking the annoyingly large amount of spam connection attemps(500/sec+) my mailserver gets, but it lacks the GigE ports the N16 has.

Slight bummer it doesn't seem to do 5GHz...

Why replace the whole router just to get 802.11n? (5, Interesting)

InakaBoyJoe (687694) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971002)

Keep your WRT54G, and just upgrade the wireless to 802.11n. I did it with an AirPort Express connected to one of the ethernet ports in bridge mode. In the real world, 802.11n rarely saturates the 100baseT ethernet, so you get almost all the speed, without having to reconfigure everything from scratch. As a bonus, you can still host a separate 802.11b/g network on the old router to support legacy devices without jamming up your N network.

ar71xx platform (1)

paul248 (536459) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971064)

I don't have a specific model to recommend, but pretty much all the most powerful routers today are on the Atheros ar71xx platform. Atheros is much better than Broadcom at supporting open drivers.

https://dev.openwrt.org/wiki/ar71xx [openwrt.org]

Asus was OK, but I'm back to WRT54GL (1)

Norny (9940) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971096)

I bought 2 different models of Asus routers that were b/g. They worked great with DD-WRT for almost exactly 2 years, then they died a week apart from each other. Bricks. I replaced them with a WRT54GL. My backup for it is a WRT350N that someone gave me. That's right, the ol' 54GL is more dependable than the fancier 350N.

I'd consider Asus again, but only if I could convince myself to buy 2 so I could have a standby for when the first died.

Just consider this... do you really need the N spectrum? I don't personally do a lot of file transfers between computers on my network where speed is a consideration serious. If I was to saturate the whole allowance of G trying to hit the Internet, that's still more than what my outgoing cable internet service provides with Time Warner.

Moreover, to get full N, you have to broadcast 2.4 and 5 spectrums, and only one of the two goes far enough to get out of a room and through walls, so you effectively have G speeds in most N implementations anyway. Read about it... lots of people turn N off and go back to G, even when they have access to the fancier feature.

In the end ... choose Linux. (1)

gslavik (1015381) | more than 4 years ago | (#31971162)

I was looking for a wifi router that I could run Linux on.

In the end, I built a system for about 400USD (parts from newegg) based around Jetway JNC81.
Dual Gigabit ethernet ports, built in wifi (with added card, but AP not supported by driver yet, used an atheros PCI card).

Ubuntu Server with UFW and it works awesome.

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