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X264 Project Announces Blu-ray Encoding Support

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the news-from-mid-spectrum dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The x264 project has announced the first free software encoder to be able to generate Blu-ray compliant video. In addition, the announcement comes with a torrent of an x264-encoded Blu-ray disc containing entirely free content, such as the Open Movie Project videos. While there are still no free software Blu-ray authoring tools, hopefully this will change now that video and audio are taken care of so that everyone will be able to make their own Blu-rays without expensive proprietary software. Additionally, it seems the Criterion Collection is a friend of free software, having sponsored the effort to confirm x264's compliance with the Blu-ray spec."

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First! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977172)

Why is the title bar in red on the main page?

Re:First! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977794)

Because I fucked your dead great grandmother while you touch yourself at night.

The first question that popped into my head (5, Interesting)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977218)

Isn't x264 (heavily) patent encumbered? And does that mean that the makers(or distributers?) have to pay a licensing fee? I know that it makes me weary to roll this out in a setting other than my home computing enviroment.

Anyone to easy my mind/confirm my suspicions?

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977240)

Yes. But if you're working in a commercial environment you're probably going to buy something anyway. Nothing of commercial quality (in terms of authoring software - x.264 does fine encoding) will be free anytime soon (as in..this decade).

Re:The first question that popped into my head (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977242)

The patent licensing fees for H.264 (20 cents per encoder) are the least of your problems if you're commercially publishing a Blu-ray disc. The license fees for *everything else*, up to and including the Blu-ray name itself, are much more onerous. But anyone making Blu-rays for commercial purposes already deals with this.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977306)

It's exactly the same as with any other encoder that you use for Blu-ray authoring.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977322)

So what, every video format that's in wide use today is patent encumbered, unless the patents on MPEG-2 have already run out, but I don't believe so. For a private user it doesn't matter anyway and if you are a company and want to use x264 you can license the patents from the MPEG-LA. Also the licensing fees for H.264 if you distribute or use less than 100.000 encoders are 0$ IIRC with 0.20$/year for every further encoder capped at 4.5 Million a year.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (5, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979336)

But what if I'm an independent filmmaker and want to make my high-def movies available in Blu-ray and let people download them online? I've already done this with standard hi-def, making a DVD image available via bittorrent.

I wonder if I'd need to pay any patent holders the vig? Because if I do, fuck it, I'm OK with my current formats.

Anybody got any idea?

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

iMacGuy (199233) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980244)

The MPEG-2 patent license typically costs *more* than the H.264 license for most situations, so I doubt you could be in any more trouble than you already are. Of course, I haven't studied it in detail, and nothing will ever happen to you specifically no matter what you do anyway.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977584)

And does that mean that the makers(or distributers?) have to pay a licensing fee?

Nope, it means that you can only distribute it at all in countries where the relevant patents are not valid. The x264 encoder is GPL'd, and according to clause 7 you may not distribute it if it is covered by any patents that would prevent the people that you give it to from exercising their rights according to the GPL.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977668)

The GPL covers the software x264, not the output produced by x264. Nevermind the fact that said logic is extremely dubious (the Software Freedom Law Center, as does basically everyone except the FSF, disagrees with that interpretation).

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

allo (1728082) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977948)

but the software producing x264 is patented, and the software decoding it, not the output.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (4, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977680)

Forget about the patents. In order to publish any Blu-ray content, you have to encrypt it, which means buying a key from the AACS. Blu-ray players are not allowed to read unencrypted pressed BD discs (some will play unencrypted BD-Rs with a BD layout, though as I understand it that's increasingly rare.)

This project is about as useful to the free software movement as a "free software" iPhone development kit.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977706)

I don't know about pressed BD discs, but all blu-ray players play unencrypted BD-Rs and almost all play DVDs with BD structure on it.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31978666)

They cannot play unencrypted pressed BD discs without violating the Blu-ray licenses. And while BD players "play BD-Rs", they don't play BD-Rs with a BD structure, that's also a violation of the license. This is a major reason for the standardization of AVCHD, as the format is an otherwise unnecessary anachronism without BD's ability to play something with the same layout as a regular BD disc.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

Lachlan Hunt (1021263) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978804)

Are you sure about that? Don't the pressed discs have the same file/directory structure as BD-Rs, and so if they can play those files unencrypted on BD-Rs, why couldn't they on pressed discs?

Although I'm sure there wouldn't be too many pressed BDs that are unencrypted (Big Buck Bunny might be a rare exception, though I don't know for sure), it doesn't make much sense to unconditionally force all pressed blu-rays to be encrypted. Though, maybe they figured the extra AACS licencing fees they would get made it worthwhile anyway.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31979446)

Are you sure about that? Don't the pressed discs have the same file/directory structure as BD-Rs, and so if they can play those files unencrypted on BD-Rs, why couldn't they on pressed discs?

No, as I said BD-Rs don't have the same file/directory structure. And even if they did, and a Blu-ray player actually was one of the early ones that allowed an "unencrypted Blu-ray image" on a BD-R to be playable, it cannot LEGALLY (as in the licensing forbids it) read one from a pressed disc. The BD player has to perform a check, and if it's a pressed disc, it MUST check the disc is encrypted and has a ROM Mark.

Unencrypted Blu-ray material using the BD Video layout is permitted on DVD5/DVD9s, however.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980456)

It would be wise of the people in charge of Blu-Ray to "give" a particular encryption key away for nonprofit or noncommercial use. From my understanding, this would allow non-profit/non-commercial folks to MAKE compliant disks, while not really helping the people they are worried about. The TRUE pirates (ie, selling pressed bootlegs etc) are already in deeper shit, so using said non-profit key to press them would just add on to the fines they already deserve.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31978840)

Yes, theoretically that's right, but as far as I know there isn't a single blu-ray player that won't play BD structure on BD-R even without AACS. BD-Rebuilder (link in TFA) will reencode video and audio of blu-rays so it can fit a 25 GB BD-R (or DVD) while keeping the BD structure intact and while it's a bit problematic on DVD, where you are better off using an AVCHD for compatibility, on BD-Rs it works flawlessly.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979360)

There's my answer. Thanks, AC.

I'll be damned if I'm going to pay someone juice just to use their format. I'll just wait until, like mp3, free versions like lame come out.

This is another reason I hope Sony goes bankrupt someday during my lifetime.

Well if decryption has been broken ... (2, Interesting)

dingram17 (839714) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979708)

Since it appears that the BD encryption has been hacked, what is to stop people encrypting their discs with the key of a major studio if they want to distribute pressed discs? I can't imagine that a group of naughty people wanting to distribute some propaganda is going to be too concerned about IP violations if the message being promoted was not all that savoury. So basically the BluRay people thought that by banning unencrypted (plain) pressed discs (which was perfectly fine with DVD) then someone BD rips would be stopped. Instead all that they've achieved is to make it hard for legit users of the format to do what they should be able to, and the unauthorised duplicators are ripping the discs to alternate formats anyway.

Re:Well if decryption has been broken ... (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980010)

Since it appears that the BD encryption has been hacked

It has not. It has been worked around.

Re:Well if decryption has been broken ... (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980812)

Instead all that they've achieved is to make it hard for legit users of the format to do what they should be able to, and the unauthorised duplicators are ripping the discs to alternate formats anyway.

The idea is to harass independent content producers. They would much rather have you just sign your legal rights away to one of the big boys [sonypicturesstudios.com] .. If you don't, they'll be taking away your lunch money.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (4, Informative)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977950)

Yes, that is what I read when researching blu-ray verses HD-DVD, and I thought it would be its downfall. Sony has managed to create its own market and tied every loose end to a patent or license agreement. It was an amazing piece of business. I think they get a royalty on every blank disc too. The MPAA and RIAA must love it too, as you can track to the source of every publishing. I bet that even the government of China loves it. Hell, our department of insecurity must love it too. Actually, all those people who have capital equipment invested in DVD manufacturing must love it as well, because smaller publishers are not going to be $tepping up from DVD-R anytime soon. It should also help the streaming media businesses justify a higher cost basis. Talk about win-win, blu-ray has it all.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31978380)

They will have all the win-win in the world. And all will be so maffia-like encumbered in a black, heavy cloud of patents, licensing fees, usage fees and all their shit, that there will be no longer any content to fill the package with.

Because content, humane creativity, all come from freedom. When there's no freedom, when everybody is prisoner of the money, and forced to stay that: then all is over. Money can't buy creativity. Nor happiness, nor emotions, for what matters. Only a short illusion of those.

It will be the very people, at some point, the very people being driven nuts and sick working for this big, evil corporation mechanism, but also having to live their lives always running desperate for more money, to finally understand, and stop it.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (2, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979324)

You know who else loves it? People who, because of Blu-ray, get to watch high bitrate 1080p movies on their large TVs.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

sonamchauhan (587356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980708)

Living in the love of the common people isn't enough... HD-DVD gave people that benefit too.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980982)

Living in the love of the common people isn't enough... HD-DVD gave people that benefit too.

HD-DVD only had a max capacity of 15GB/layer. It also employed AACS based DRM controls.
Blu-Ray has a max capacity of 25GB/layer, and a standard player can read discs up to 100GB without modifications.

So while you can claim that HD-DVD supports full 1080p, in reality many movies were over-compressed or simply encoded at 1080i in order to fit them onto a single disc. At the time nobody really noticed, since there were only a few people with the full 1080p HDTV's & most were still 1080i or 720p.

Don't get me wrong, I would have much preferred to see some competing formats out there, but the studios were lining up on one side or the other, nobody was releasing to both mediums. So I'm glad that the one with the better technical specifications ended up winning out.

But the thing that people are overlooking in the article is the DRM. It's a crime to decrypt the content without a license. In fact it's illegal under the DMCA to even write the software without a license, let alone release it or use it.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31981030)

All hi-def really needed was a larger storage format and higher bitrate transfer. ALL the incompatibilities are HDCP encryption BULLSHIT.
I'm boycotting hi-def still.

So no Blu-ray home movies then?!? (1)

MacroRodent (1478749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980792)

If what you say is true, my interest in Blu-ray dropped to zero. It means the format is useless for storing user-generated HD content so that it can be conveniently played back by off-the-shelf consumer equipment, like DVD does for SD content. In other words, kills the use-case of sending clips of grandchildren playing to grannies, in a format they can play conveniently. Or an amateur theatre group filming and distributing their show?

Am I missing something? Sony cannot be that stupid? Do they really want Blu-ray to be authored by serious professionals only?

Re:The first question that popped into my head (5, Informative)

Malc (1751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980964)

You do not need to encrypt content on a BDROM - go and read the AACS spec, which is publicly available on the AACS LA's website. CPS Units on a BD Prercorded can be either encrypted on unencrypted for Basic Titles, per the CCI.

You are correct though that to replicate a BD that you need to pay an AACS fee, but that's now down to $500, IIRC.

I haven't see any issues with players playing back Type A CMF burnt to BDRE (i.e. partial AACS, as sent to replicators before AACS processing). This is how most authoring houses test their content. In fact, I don't even remember having to specify unencrypted + no disable Copy Permission Indicator when testing on the PS3 recently - at one time we had to burn to BD-REv3 format (which is annoying because that format doesn't support everything in BDROM).

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981318)

This is incorrect. I've created unencrypted BDs and they play on all players. And even if they didn't work, nearly all BD players also play AVCHD discs (which are very similarly laid out and encrypted) and you could just make one of those instead to play the HD content you want to play.

It'd be great if you knew from where you spoke before putting out false information like this.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (2, Informative)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977716)

x264 is a video encoder, not a format. You're thinking of h264, which x264 encodes into.

h264 has been used on Blurry disks since day 1.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1, Troll)

Sancho (17056) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978620)

If we're going to be pedantic, it's H.264.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (4, Funny)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979678)

h264 has been used on Blurry disks since day 1.

If we're going to be pedantic, it's H.264.

And there's nothing else in the parent's post which suggests he might not bother spelling everything properly?

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

Pinky's Brain (1158667) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980202)

Pedantic? Pshaw ...

"The openness of the MPEG process does not exempt you from your duty of calling things with the proper names. ISO/IEC 14496-10 | ITU Recommendation H.264 is called Advanced Video Coding or AVC."

Something regularly copy pasted on MPEG mailing lists a couple year back ... they are just a bit but hurt over people ignoring their hard work on it (coming in a couple of months before finalization and rubber stamping it, basically ... oh and providing the container format of course, which originally came from Apple).

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

cbreak (1575875) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978616)

x264 is just software, you can't patent software. H.264 (the format) is somehow under the control of the MPEG-LA though. Currently using it is free, but that will run out in the near future.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978754)

Wrong. The patent protects the encoding process [uspto.gov] , not the format. It's the software which implements the encoding, hence, it's a software patent.

Re:The first question that popped into my head (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979348)

Currently using it is free, but that will run out in the near future.

Web use is freely licensed until 2016. I wouldn't exactly call that the "near future".

PS3s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977284)

FTFA: i>Most Blu-ray players will treat a DVD containing Blu-ray data as a normal Blu-ray disc. A few, such as the Playstation 3, will not, but you can still play it as a data disc.

What does this mean exactly? If I have a blu-ray encoded DVD and pop it in, there's a special PS3 menu somewhere that will still play it? Anyone know where this is?

BD9 (4, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977418)

If you burn a Blu-ray Disc file system onto DVD+R DL, it's called BD9 [wikipedia.org] .

Re:BD9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977866)

Or just encode it as an industry-standard resolution M2TS file, and burn it as an AVCHD disc (on a DVD5 or DVD9 sized blank). Many blue ray players will play them back, including the PS3 (at least until SONY, those lieing cheat bastard fucks, take that ability away as well). This includes standard-def content as well.

Re:BD9 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31978098)

...and if you record official starfleet log records on standard issue optical memory cards, they're called DS9.

Re:BD9 (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980974)

Which also comes with lower bitrate support than BD25/50.

Is there a free BD multiplexer available too? What about any word of development of an AVC MVC encoder for the profile 5 BD players?

Now how about... (1)

tomm3h (1406683) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977310)

... A free and open-source way of playing them, without having to doctor the content on the disk (i.e. strip the DRM out) first.

Concentrate on making a better open codec. (0)

ipquickly (1562169) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977312)

Did I miss a memo, or would anything x264 only be considered free software where the shackles of 'patented software' don't apply?

I like the way some DVD players can play DIVX.
Maybe someday some Blu-Ray players will be able to play Theora or some other open codec.
Until then I think Blu-Ray will be 'Read-Only' for me.

Re:Concentrate on making a better open codec. (1)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977352)

I like the way some DVD players can play DIVX. So are you claiming that patents are good or bad? DivX is also known as MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile... which is heavily patent-encumbered.

Re:Concentrate on making a better open codec. (1)

ipquickly (1562169) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977538)

Of course I know that DIVX is not free.

What I want is a little [THEORA] logo next to the [DVD],[BLU-RAY] and [DIVX] logo.

lame was created and is used (3, Interesting)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977460)

Even though mp3 is patent encumbered. This project is along those same lines.

Re:Concentrate on making a better open codec. (4, Insightful)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978650)

would anything x264 only be considered free software where the shackles of 'patented software' don't apply

You can't patent software. Well, you *can* in the USA, but they seem to be happy to legislate themselves into a technological backwater. I hope the rest of the world hasn't left them too far behind when they finally figure it out.

Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (5, Informative)

spblat (26399) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977454)

There is in fact a free software Blu-ray authoring tool. And it is rather nice.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/ [deanbg.com]

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1, Informative)

spikeb (966663) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977572)

that isn't free software.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1)

spblat (26399) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977710)

FTFL: "multiAVCHD is free and no one can charge you, should you decide to obtain/download it."

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1, Informative)

Cougar Town (1669754) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977750)

Free of charge does not mean it is free software [gnu.org] .

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (5, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977836)

If you at least capitalize it (like "Free Software"), you give your readers a hint that you are talking about something specific, rather than 'free' in general.

It is still ambiguous, but it is better.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980040)

Oh seriously? Screw you man. This has been going on too long. If my "Free phone" (which requires a 2 year contract) is "Free", then that software is for *SURE* Free. It may or not be open source, it may or not be under a license you approve of personally, but seriously? They are making it available for free *and* saying nobody can charge you for it. (Which makes it a bit "freer" than GPL software in a way, now doesn't it?)

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980630)

That's the same argument I used when I fucked your mum's rank pussy last night and the bitch still charged me. Fucking cunt.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981710)

If my "Free phone" (which requires a 2 year contract) is "Free"

It isn't. The "Free phone" costs money because you are required to pay money as part of the 2 year contract, which subsidises the cost of the phone.

then that software is for *SURE* Free.

At least this software doesn't cost money.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31981160)

In his defense, the TFS talks about not having to use "expensive proprietary software". This at least addresses the first part of that..

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977752)

You aren't free to use any definition of free you want, you know. Here on Slashdot, free means "free to do as RMS approves."

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977850)

You're kidding, aren't you? There are far more RMS-haters on Slashdot than RMS fans, at least overt ones.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0, Offtopic)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979380)

You're kidding, aren't you? There are far more RMS-haters on Slashdot than RMS fans, at least overt ones.

When he wrote "free to do as RMS approves.", he was counting himself in (at least for humorous effect, if not in earnest) the group of "RMS-haters". As is/are the people who modded him up, as well as those that modded you down.

You guys must be a riot (1)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979646)

on the free trade coffee websites. Free trade vs free software.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (2, Informative)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977810)

FTFL: "multiAVCHD is free and no one can charge you, should you decide to obtain/download it."

Hence, spikeb is correct. It is not Free Software. It is software that costs $0.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (3, Insightful)

nstlgc (945418) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978614)

In his defense, he said it was free software, not Free Software.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979718)

The confusing word here is software, not free. If he had said "free Blu-ray authoring tool" I would have thought gratis, but "free software Blu-ray authoring tool" makes me think of a FLOSS Blu-ray authoring tool. Otherwise the word would be redundant, like opposed to what? Are there any authoring tools not made of software? I suppose you could say as opposed to a dedicated appliance, but tI thought even that all ran on standard computers these days.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1)

cbreak (1575875) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978630)

-> it is free

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977814)

You must be new here.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (4, Funny)

spblat (26399) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977984)

You must be new here.

Watch it buddy, I'm in the highly prestigious and arbitrarily exclusive 5 Digit UID Club. I'm 1.57 orders of magnitude less new here than you. ;-)

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (4, Funny)

don.g (6394) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978676)

Young whippersnappers these days crowing about their 5 digit UIDs...

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (5, Funny)

maelstrom (638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979284)

Get off my lawn.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (5, Funny)

alexandre (53) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980570)

I hadn't seen a UID war in such a long time that I almost forgot about them...
Those youngsters with their retro trends :P

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0, Offtopic)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#31982218)

Is this an appropriate time for a C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1)

/dev/trash (182850) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979802)

I was gonna chime in but I have no clue what my UID is. I'm so old school I had slashies in my name.

Oh wait nevermind. It's 182850

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977756)

It's free, not Free.

It is software, and it doesn't cost anything, therefore, it's free software.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977982)

I'll probably get hate for this, but I don't care, this drives me fricking nuts! Can we PLEASE STOP with letting RMS try to completelt subvert the meaning of a word simply because we are talking about software? Everything else on the planet if you say free it means it don't cost you money. If I say I'll give you a free stereo, do you ask me for the blueprints? NO! But RMS wants to completely change the meaning of the word when it comes to software.

So from now on I suggest Free= don't cost anything, whereas licensed free, or LF for short= GPL and similar software. That way free still means the same thing it does everywhere else, and LF means you get the source and can do what you want within the license. Maybe I'm off here, but it sounds like a fair and reasonable way to differentiate the two without getting into the "Free VS Gratis" bullshit that comes along anytime someone pasts a link to some freeware.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (4, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978338)

Can we PLEASE STOP with letting RMS try to completelt subvert the meaning of a word simply because we are talking about software? Everything else on the planet if you say free it means it don't cost you money.

You are free to use the word anyway you want.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979272)

free as in beer?

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31979782)

free as in beer?

No, free as in speech. Even if you aren't using dictation software!

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31978440)

Everything else on the planet if you say free it means it don't cost you money.

Only in your commercially centered world. "Free" has several meanings and co-opting it to mean only the commercial version is a political statement in itself.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0, Offtopic)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978516)

Where are my mod points!

This is exactly why a lot of us like to use the term "libre". "Free" is an overloaded term.

Even in the highly crass America, the term "Free" is often equated with freedom rather than
price. Yet people still get their panties in a bunch when you try to emphasize that rather
more important usage of the term "Free".

Don't like the bias? Move to Cuba or the nearest Junta of your choice.

The 4th and the 14th are coming up...

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1, Offtopic)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979418)

Only in your commercially centered world. "Free" has several meanings and co-opting it to mean only the commercial version is a political statement in itself.

But as a rule, "free as in liberty" is reserved solely for humans, groups of humans, or sometimes animals.

The idea of software having freedoms is absurd. The notion that RMS is trying to put forth is *not* absurd. Unfortunately, natural human language is not based on logic, thus such contradictions are allowed.

Which is why people are so adamant about using the term "Free Software" as a proper noun, because it indicates a specific branding. Whereas "free software" is generic, and in standard material parlance, means "no charge".

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0, Offtopic)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978874)

Everything else on the planet if you say free it means it don't cost you money.

So if I say "I'm a free man", does it mean I'm worthless? What about a "free market"? And when you said, "change to that free lane", does it mean the other lanes cost money?

Free has multiple definitions. It's not RMS' fault, it's an English bug. In other languages (at least Portuguese, Spanish, French, Romanian and Italian) there are clear distentions between the two concepts.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31979852)

Free has multiple definitions. It's not RMS' fault, it's an English bug.

It's a feature, not a bug!

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31978904)

But RMS wants to completely change the meaning of the word when it comes to software.

The same word can mean different things. Take the English word "love", which covers a wide range of uses. The (ancient?) Greeks used three different words for things that we commonly use "love" nowadays:
    * Eros love - known as "erotic love"
    * Philos love - a love based on friendship between two people
    * Agape - unconditional love

In essence, eros love is "physical", philos love is "mental", and agape love is "spiritual". Similarly "free" can be broken up into two French words:
    * Libre - free as in freedom; same root as the word "liberty"
    * Gratis - free as in beer

RMS has nothing to do with it; it's just the limited vocabulary we often use in day-to-day English conversations.

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31979462)

His exact words were "a free software Blu-ray authoring tool". When used this way the phrase is usually taken to mean Free Software. When people mean no-cost they usually just say "a free Blu-ray [...]".

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (0, Offtopic)

ZorbaTHut (126196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31979914)

Everything else on the planet if you say free it means it don't cost you money

Free love?

Free Tibet?

Free Mitnick?

. . . Free Willy?

Re:Free BD Authoring Tool: Multiavchd (1)

Eivind (15695) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981152)

The problem is that this -isn't- what everyone else on the planet means by free. It is *sometimes* but not generally, and that's why it's ambigous in english. If someone says that Germany has free elections, nobody thinks they mean the elections do not cost money, they understand that it's free as in freedom.

What you claim; that in every other context on the planet, free means "for zero money" is simply not true. Free Willy ! Live Free, or die trying. You're free to publish any book you want.

It's sometimes about cost, but by no means always. The french (and scandinavians) got it right, we've got two -distinct- words for free as in freedom, and free as in no-cost. (gratis, and libre)

As long as someone's putting in the effect... (2)

Dialecticus (1433989) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977546)

Additionally, it seems the Criterion Collection is a friend of free software, having sponsored the effect to confirm x264's compliance with the Blu-ray spec.

Well, then I give them an A for effect. :)

bluray sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31977570)

Thttp://bluraysucks.com/
Will tell you everything you need to know about the format and why you should avoid it.

Re:bluray sucks (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#31977864)

The site is a bit outdated. The format war is over. Blu-Ray won.
The other problems of course remain.

Re:bluray sucks (1)

allo (1728082) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978048)

and its wrong regarding mpeg4. even the cheapest dvd-player CAN play mpeg4, there is no need to update them.

Sweet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31978276)

I'm glad that this is coming around. I've always like the quality from a crystal clear h264 encoding, so seeing this move closer to Blu-Ray is going to be great for packing lots of family home movies at high quality, onto a single disc to give to relatives.

No free tools? (-1, Troll)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31978706)

While there are still no free software Blu-ray authoring tools

Sure there are:
http://btjunkie.org/search?q=Sonic%20Scenarist [btjunkie.org]
http://btjunkie.org/search?q=Sony%20Vegas%20Pro [btjunkie.org]
http://btjunkie.org/search?q=Adobe%20Encore [btjunkie.org]

Free: Yes.
You didn’t say anything about open.
Or legal in delusional mentally insane law systems. ^^

Re:No free tools? (0, Offtopic)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981226)

Oh great. The MAFIAA has gotten mod points. I noticed this earlier on other articles.
Modding down everything showing you the repressed and denied reality right in the open, are we?

Don’t think we’re not on to you!

I repeat it, as often as it needs. If it has to be, then I’ll do it forever:
The copyright laws are based on a mentally insane delusion that started with a small misunderstanding of basic physical reality, and grew into a cancer called ACTA because of the greed of an industry that is smaller than the toilet seat industry! (Litrally!)

MAFIAA: The only way to stop me from taking you down, is to walk over my dead and annihilated body!

LOL open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31979980)

Why don't you freetards just buy a mac and use real world professional software to do your work? Instead, you'll spend the next 20 years trying to figure out how to make a blue ray while the rest of us have moved onto the next generation of great software. Freetards are hilarious. You are like the Amish of the computer industry.

Re:LOL open source (2, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980716)

Why don't you freetards just buy a mac and use real world professional software to do your work?...

You are like the Amish of the computer industry.

So, I should stop using free software and go to a system that is based on, you guessed it, free software. You do realize that OSX would be nothing like its current form without the completely free and open source software that it is layered on top of, right? For most intents and purposes, the OSX that you seem so fond of is little more than a set of libraries and a pretty face plastered on top of mountains of open source software. Now who's the freetard?

Re:LOL open source (1)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981608)

I'll quote one word from your trolling: "work".

For my work, I use "real" software for the most part (and some of that is Free software with appropriate commercial support). For all my other stuff, I don't see why I should pay hundreds or thousands of $/£/ in order to burn a home movie to disk, or install an operating system on an old machine, or edit photos or design a personal website. Hell, you are technically paying just to burn a DVD-R or watch a DVD under most versions of Windows because they have to bundle software to make it work.

If you do, and want to, pay for that sort of thing for your own personal computers - go ahead and piss your leisure money away. If you think that "putting some video data on a disk that about 17% of people can even watch (current market penetration figures), and only about 10% of those can actually watch as it was intended (i.e. better than DVD quality)" is a good use of your money, feel free to pay the companies that invented it thousands of pounds to "do it properly". The rest of us will still be using cheap, simple, non-demanding software to burn onto DVD and/or trialling free software to do the same thing.

For work, it's an entirely different matter because by the time something is "mainstream", your business is already sunk, so you *have* to pay those extortionate license fees in order to be able to do the same simple task: put some video onto a disk. You're just paying a stupid premium in order to be able to do that before or at the same time as your competitors.

We might be the Amish, but you're the Emperor with his "new clothes". At least we're actually wearing *something*, and it does the job, and it didn't cost us a penny. In ten years time when you work out how much each bit on a disk cost you over that decade, you might be wondering if it was actually worth it.

fuck blueray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980754)

http://fuckbluray.com/ [fuckbluray.com]

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