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What, why? (0)

Peach Rings (1782482) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980264)

If the device violates their wireless standards then why the hell should they allow it to operate in their country?

Re:What, why? (1, Informative)

Romancer (19668) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980310)

The order came from Communications Minister Moshe Kahlon, who apparently hadn?t been appraised of the initial decision to ban the devices due to their wireless specifications.

Make sense now?

Re:What, why? (4, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980324)

Because Israel either (1) realized that it didn't really violate their standards as they thought or (2) realized that their standards are not enforceable because they are incorrectly set. The iPad follows the same Wi-Fi standards as other devices like laptops. Some test after the whole fiasco that the iPad actually emits less than an average US laptop. So if the iPad was in violation then Israel should be confiscating all US made laptops at the border.

Re:What, why? (5, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980382)

Everything that intentionally emits a wireless signal has to have a prototype sent to the FCC here in the USA. We typically learn of new Apple iPhone/iPad products just before they're submitted to the FCC because once they hit the FCC they'd become public record at that point anyway.

Israel's complaint was mostly due to a lack of a seal of approval that the iPad now has. Nothing wrong with the device, just need to show one to the approved lab and pay the fee.

Re:What, why? (4, Informative)

mpoulton (689851) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980902)

We typically learn of new Apple iPhone/iPad products just before they're submitted to the FCC because once they hit the FCC they'd become public record at that point anyway.

Actually the FCC will handle equipment testing and acceptance confidentially. The process takes quite some time (months) so confidential testing and processing helps prevent early disclosure of products. Also, many devices like the iPad do not require new certifications because they will simply integrate a pre-existing radio module that has already been though the process.

Re:What, why? (4, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981008)

once they hit the FCC they'd become public record at that point anyway.

You can actually pay extra to the FCC to have them keep it a secret until the product is released. Apple doesn't trust the FCC to be able to keep a secret, so they do announce the products before sending them to the FCC. And frankly they don't trust the FCC for a good reason: the FCC really can't keep a secret, someone will get a secret picture of it or something.

Re:What, why? (0, Redundant)

adolf (21054) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981032)

Gosh. If it were that easy to keep things quiet with the FCC, you'd have thought that Apple would've known about it.

Instead, we get this [ifixit.com] .

Hmm. [fcc.gov]

Re:What, why? (3, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981074)

Wow, apparently you didn't read my post, because I explained why Apple doesn't go for the secrecy option (that is, the FCC has trouble keeping secrets even when they try. If you don't remember, Amazon's Kindle was revealed from the FCC even though they went for the extra secrecy protection). Apple reveals their products before the file at the FCC.

Re:What, why? (4, Funny)

adolf (21054) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981108)

Wow. You're right. I didn't actually read your post.

Please allow me to retract my previous statement, and insist that the immediate unavailability of vodka combined with a fright of the forthcoming Monday must have clouded my vision and thoughts.

Re:What, why? (1, Insightful)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981042)

Everything that intentionally emits a wireless signal has to have a prototype sent to the FCC here in the USA.

That's only if you plan on using it in the USA, without a licence that makes it exempt from FCC approval. A lot of phones available in Europe aren't FCC-tested, because there's no point shipping them to the US since they don't have the infrastructure to use them.

Re:What, why? (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981266)

Israel's complaint was mostly due to a lack of a seal of approval that the iPad now has. Nothing wrong with the device, just need to show one to the approved lab and pay the fee.

Are you sure? Name another WiFi device that Israel prohibited personal imports of.

Is it not possible that the reason this WiFi device was singled out for prevention of personal importation a day or two after Apple delayed the international release is because the authorized Apple importer for Israel is well-connected within the Israeli government?

Re:What, why? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980470)

You mean Chinese made. The only thing exported from stateside these days are Britney Spears videos.

Re:What, why? (4, Funny)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980604)

You mean Chinese made. The only thing exported from stateside these days are Britney Spears videos.

I think her kids are also locally sourced... but I don't follow that stuff too closely because, hey, none of it's spilling my direction..

Re:What, why? (2, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980926)

If you believe that, this Jon Stewart movie [thedailyshow.com] is a must-watch. Besides being hilarious, it points out the obvious fact that the best way to fix the trade deficit is to improve the standard of living in other countries.

US made laptops? (4, Interesting)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980476)

US made laptops -- Got a link?

Re:US made laptops? (1)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980492)

found some! [usstuff.com]

Re:US made laptops? (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980736)

I find it pretty hard to get excited about a computer "made in the USA" when you know pretty much every component in the thing was actually made in China.

Re:US made laptops? (4, Insightful)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980986)

Intel, AMD and others have fabs in the US. The RAM in my laptop was produced and assembled in the US. I bought it because it was cheap, it's the fourth time I've bought this brand and no problems yet, knock on wood. I don't really understand how something American made can be cheaper, but whatever, I'm happy to vote with my dollars.

Didn't necessarily violate, untested (4, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980332)

If the device violates their wireless standards then why the hell should they allow it to operate in their country?

It shouldn't. But it doesn't.

The whole issue was that it was untested. That was it. As with any bureaucracy, rules must be obeyed even if in the end the result is the same.

Re:What, why? (2, Insightful)

wmac (1107843) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980618)

And are we going to discuss this matter for each of the 188 countries or at least 50 of them?

How important is the small market there that this is being discussed all over the internet?

Re:What, why? (0)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980702)

Here's what you should do. Post a story explaining how Israel's policy of confiscation is perfectly fine.

This is a user-driven site, and if you think that you aren't getting enough balance, it's up to you to provide it.

Well you know what they're like (5, Funny)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980272)

Well you know what the nation of Israel is like, they're always initially suspicious of new tablets. But they come around in the end.

Re:Well you know what they're like (5, Funny)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980410)

This one might have the last five commandments..

Re:Well you know what they're like (5, Funny)

masshuu (1260516) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980486)

The 5 Apple Commandments.

1. Thou Shall Worship the Apple, Only the Apple, and Nothing but the Apple.
2. Thou Shall Only use the App Store, and reject any alternatives like unlocking.
3. Thou Shall Reject any alternatives, including, but not limited to Microsoft.
4. Thou Shall Bow in Ignorance, and Believe that Apple is always ahead in the game.
5. Thou Shall Down Mod this any any posts that violate any of the above Commandments.

Re:Well you know what they're like (1)

Superdarion (1286310) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980938)

5. Thou Shall Down Mod this any any posts that violate any of the above Commandments.

Your score of 4 suggests that the sinners surpass the pure ones by a margin of 4!

Re:Well you know what they're like (1, Informative)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980574)

(Score:0, Offtopic)

Damn moderator.. I was so hoping I wouldn't have to ruin the joke [youtube.com]

Re:Well you know what they're like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31981012)

It looks like Israel was the only nation to make a big no-importing stink over the uncertified status...

by Sveinjoe [zouqingshui.net]

Re:Well you know what they're like (1)

PHPfanboy (841183) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981356)

1. There's only one international airport so it's easy to enforce
2. The government and their departments have no problem with looking like complete fools (it's like a daily occurrence)
3. Oh yeah, and the president's son is an investor in the local Apple distributor (iDigital)

It's probably some mix of those 3 ingredients but I'm not sure in which proportions.

Slow news day, huh? (-1, Offtopic)

cytoman (792326) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980274)

nt

Ban lifted, but limited to one per person. (3, Informative)

strredwolf (532) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980302)

At least they finally got it tested so it proved what it said. Isralies are picky to a fault.

But you can't ship 'em in yet. Limit's only one per person, so no gifting yet.

Re:Ban lifted, but limited to one per person. (4, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980326)

Israel has been doing this "War on Terror"(TM) stuff for many years... and as a result some things that we consider harmless are "security threats" until they're proven otherwise. Anything that could emit a wireless signal could trigger something harmful, so there has to be limits on those things.

Re:Ban lifted, but limited to one per person. (5, Insightful)

caseih (160668) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980678)

And of course things that we (the TSA anyway) consider security threats--like water bottles, and nail clippers with a pointy file on airplains--are seen as harmless to them. I think maybe they understand some things about terrorism that we don't.

Re:Ban lifted, but limited to one per person. (3, Insightful)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981198)

I think maybe they understand some things about terrorism that we don't.

Yes. The Israelis are interested in providing security; the TSA is only interested in providing security kabuki theater.

Re:Ban lifted, but limited to one per person. (1)

cbreak (1575875) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980690)

Like cellphones? So there are no cellphones in Israel?

Re:Ban lifted, but limited to one per person. (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980806)

Just like the USA, "they" can place taps on cell phones.

Re:Ban lifted, but limited to one per person. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31981244)

Just like the USA, "they" can place taps on cell phones.

I only place taps on my shoes.

Re:Ban lifted, but limited to one per person. (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980802)

Anything that could emit a wireless signal could trigger something harmful, so there has to be limits on those things.

I appreciate what you're saying about the Israelis having tighter anti-terrorism security measures, but a few things:

1. It's absurd that the WiFi on an iPad (or any computer) would be a threat in numbers, but not in the singular.
2. Anything with metal and electricity, or even just a magnet, can emit a wireless signal.
3. The iPads were confiscated at customs. The plane has already landed.

Without further evidence, this wasn't a "war on terror" thing, it was a standard regulatory thing. In spite of common(?) misconception, the Israeli government addresses issues that have nothing to do with terrorism.

Re:Ban lifted, but limited to one per person. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980968)

As an Israeli I assure you, the "national security" reasons given by the ministry were nothing but poor excuses after the fact. Just like in america (or even more so) words of "security" are just the joker cards used by the government to confuse and distract. I also don't buy the conspiracy theories about corruption related to this case.

The story, as I understand it, is a very simple story about a bureaucracy making a wrong decision, finding excuses to that decision and finally backs down after what it perceived as a sensible damages control strategy.

The order of events ( in my opinion ):
1) The custom personnel didn't know how to handle imports of the iPad.
2) They contacted the office of ministry of communications.
3) The incompetent office tried to obtain official details and specs of the device, failed to do so and decided to default to banning the device until further notice. When ignorant, Israeli bureaucracy always defaults to the lazy option and takes the "better safe than sorry" stance, whatever the cost is to the individual.
4) Headlines rightfully ridiculing the decision popped up in Israeli online news sites, followed by a world wide criticism and ridiculing.
5) The office understood the mistake but tried any tactic not to loose face. Then all the stupid excuses came out: the babble about national security, about the office protecting the convenience of the local populace, the lack of compliance from iDigital (apple products importer in Israel) and more excuses. Nothing more than "security", "what about the children" and "look a chubaka!" to confuse and distract.
6) The office waits awhile for everything to settle down and lifts the ban with remarks about "sophisticated lab testing" etc. Sounds very scientific. Very hi-tec. I'm glad we have such sophisticated people in our government.

Supply problems... (1, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980306)

Apple doesn't have enough supply of the iPad to do a worldwide release because they're delaying American shipments and imposing purchasing limits on large buyers. As a result, they didn't do international standards testing because they aren't selling it everywhere yet. It looks like Israel was the only nation to make a big no-importing stink over the uncertified status... so really this Apple cleaning up a problem caused by excessive demand, something they should be used to by now.

Re:Supply problems... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980798)

Apple cleaning up a problem caused by excessive demand, something they should be used to by now.

Eh? Hard to imagine Apple wouldn't want, and tries to achieve, the excellent press of being unable to meet initial demand. This isn't like typical Christmas product sales, where shortages just means your potential customers go buy a competitor's product instead.

No more... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980316)

...iBan.

Tablet computer (2, Funny)

aldld (1663705) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980344)

Apple's iPad tablet computer

I don't really consider the iPad to be much of a computer.

Re:Tablet computer (2, Insightful)

Quarters (18322) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980370)

Well, ok, then, I guess that's settled. Since you seem to be in charge of determining what an electronic device with a CPU, RAM, I/O, and a display is called, how should we refer to it?

Re:Tablet computer (2, Insightful)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980424)

Toy..

Re:Tablet computer (0, Redundant)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981028)

    No, the proper term is buzz word driven sales. Apple has done pretty well there. People need their iMac, iPod, iPhone, and now iPad. All the cool kids have it, so why don't you too?

    I used someone's iPhone, and was generally annoyed with it. I haven't had a chance to play with an iPad yet, but I suspect it'll be like all of the other Apple products I've used since my Apple IIe. It's pretty to look at, but I'll still call my PC based Linux/Windows machine a computer. (I either have one of each or dual boot).

    I was kind of stunned that at one place I worked, they bought several of the x86 Mac's, and went straight out and got their dual boot toy ("bootcamp", if I remember correctly), and used it as a Windows machine. No one could satisfactorily answer the question "Why did you spend more on that than a x86 Windows PC?" If you're going to buy an Apple to use an Apple, why would you make it run like an orange?

 

Re:Tablet computer (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981096)

No, the proper term is buzz word driven sales.

Too many syllables. Gotta keep it to three or less. If you can pronounce it while you're drunk, you might have a winner. Personally I see the iPad as nothing more than a iTouch for people that are too vain to buy reading glasses.

why would you make it run like an orange?

I like oranges? But seriously, a friend of mine did precisely that. Just didn't want to have to deal with the changes. Such a shame. On the bright side, the iMacs are probably the best looking Windows machines you'll ever see.

Re:Tablet computer (1)

OrwellianLurker (1739950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980598)

Well, ok, then, I guess that's settled. Since you seem to be in charge of determining what an electronic device with a CPU, RAM, I/O, and a display is called, how should we refer to it?

As a tablet.

Re:Tablet computer (1)

neonKow (1239288) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980636)

Your phone has all of that too.

Re:Tablet computer (2, Funny)

Zuriel (1760072) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980980)

My *watch* has all that too. And it also won't run Flash. :)

Re:Tablet computer (1)

moronoxyd (1000371) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981276)

Lets see: Smartphone, navigation device, MP3-Player, media player, internet-enabled TV, ... all of those and more have a CPU, RAM, I/O, and display. ...so what was your point, again?

Very true (2, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980558)

I don't really consider the iPad to be much of a computer.

And many don't consider the computer (as we know it) to be much of a tablet.

The difference is what makes it better, and why they seem to be succeeding when other tablet efforts have come out flat.

Re:Tablet computer (3, Funny)

pinkj (521155) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980722)

It does more than an TRS-80 and that was a computer, wasn't it?

Re:Tablet computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980782)

nope, it doesn't. The TRS-80 was a programmable minicomputer. The apple is as programmable, in general, as my daughter's barbie laptop toy. Sure, HTML5 will fix that, right?

Re:Tablet computer (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981006)

"the apple"? Should I assume you mean the Apple iPad or all Apple products? Because I can tell you right now that if you buy a mac you not only get the development tools for it (as well as the iPod touch, iPhone and iPad) for free (as you should) but you can also install 3rd party tools if you have some sort of "my gcc must be untainted" thing going.

But let's say you're talking about the iPad, well it is possible to write programs for it, it's just that the operating system is locked down in a way that requires your applications to be signed in order for it to allow you to install the applications. So it is probably a lot more programmable than your daughter's "barbie laptop toy" (although to be fair I have little knowledge of the state of the art when it comes to Barbie laptop toys, for all I know it runs plan 9).

Re:Tablet computer (1)

Antiocheian (859870) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981242)

just that the operating system is locked

In other words, trivia.

And the White House comments on Isreal ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980400)

from: http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2010/04/national-security-adviser-jones-jews.html [blogspot.com]

National Security Adviser Jones: Jews Are Greedy Merchants

As the National Security Adviser, General James Jones is not known as a friend of the Jewish State. It was Jones who put together the team of Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski to meet with the President and advise him to impose a solution on Israel.

Earlier this week we may have gotten some insight into why Jones is not a fan of the Jewish Homeland. He was giving the key note speech at a Washington Institute For Near East Policy and started it out with a "Joke" that borders on anti-Semitic, teaching the crown that Jews are just greedy merchants in the same vein as Shakespeare's Shylock:

A Taliban militant gets lost and is wandering around the desert looking for water. He finally arrives at a store run by a Jew and asks for water. The Jewish vendor tells him he doesn't have any water but can gladly sell him a tie. The Taliban, the jokes goes on, begins to curse and yell at the Jewish storeowner. The Jew, unmoved, offers the rude militant an idea: Beyond the hill, there is a restaurant; they can sell you water. The Taliban keeps cursing and finally leaves toward the hill. An hour later he's back at the tie store. He walks in and tells the merchant: "Your brother tells me I need a tie to get into the restaurant."

According to the Jewish Forward

After the speech, two participants suggested, in private conversations with the Forward, that Jones' joke might have been inappropriate. After all, making jokes about greedy Jewish merchants can be seen at times as insensitive.

A prominent think-tank source who attended the event said the joke was "wrong in so many levels" and that it "demonstrated a lack of sensitivity." The source also asked: "Can you imagine him telling a black joke at an event of African Americans?"

Was the Joke Anti-Semitic? Well, the White House must have thought so. The White House transcript sent to reporters after the event conveniently began a couple of minutes into the speech. The video of the event posted on the Washington Institute Web site started right after the Joke, you can even hear the end of the laughter.

Its interesting that the same President that see racism in the legitimate actions of the Cambridge Police and the State of Arizona, hides the anti-Semitic prose of its National Security Adviser.

Re:And the White House comments on Isreal ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980726)

You don't choose your race. But you choose a religion, if any. Making fun of others because of their beliefs is less worst than making fun of others because of what race or sex they are.

Re:And the White House comments on Isreal ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980886)

Well, I'm glad to know that bigotry is acceptable! I'm off to make Jew jokes and then get upset that people get angry with me. After all, Jewish people chose their religion, didn't they?

Re:And the White House comments on Isreal ... (1, Offtopic)

matria (157464) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980898)

er...Jew is a race. "Real" Jews can in fact be identified by DNA.
http://www.healthanddna.com/ancestry-dna-testing/jewish-dna.html [healthanddna.com]

Re:And the White House comments on Isreal ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31981040)

Hahaha a Jew gene. All the other Jews are fakes just trying to piss Hamas off.

Re:And the White House comments on Isreal ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31981164)

He jew that...

Re:And the White House comments on Isreal ... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980896)

Its interesting that the same President that see racism in the legitimate actions of the Cambridge Police and the State of Arizona, hides the anti-Semitic prose of its National Security Adviser.

You will know racism is sufficiently dead when we can tell jokes again. I don't know if James Jones is actually anti-semitic, but telling a joke about a race does not alone make one racist, any more than telling a blonde joke makes someone anti-blonde.

Re:And the White House comments on Isreal ... (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980914)

Really that's just a story about an idiot that thinks he should start a presentation with an ethnic joke. It doesn't matter enough to make much fuss over because you can be sure that such an idiot doesn't do much of the real work.

Israel rethinks iPad policy (-1, Troll)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980434)

Policy regarding Palestinians still in effect.

Mossad is happy now? (0, Offtopic)

dave562 (969951) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980436)

Have they confiscated enough of them to thoroughly document them enough to begin the reverse engineering process?

For chrissakes... (-1, Troll)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980498)

Look, I understand that we all think Israel is some kind of paranoid entity that uses its spy network as a primary weapon against its perceived enemies. But that simply isn't at all relevant here.

Israel doesn't turn over confiscated property to Mossad. Mossad can acquire what it needs by itself.

What Israel does do with confiscated property is turn it over to right-wing zealot settlers.

I'm no fan of what Israel does (or perpetuates by not doing) to the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza, but don't try to pin the innocuous confiscation of iPads on some weirdo paranoid delusion about Mossad.

Re:For chrissakes... (0, Offtopic)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980696)

but don't try to pin the innocuous confiscation of iPads on some weirdo paranoid delusion about Mossad.

That was cute especially since you added your own "weirdo paranoid delusion" to your reply.

Re:For chrissakes... (-1, Troll)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980746)

Which delusion?

Mossad as weapon? [wired.com]

Mossad has big budget? [fpp.co.uk]

Israel encourages settlers by giving them confiscated land? [ft.com]

I don't think you'll find anything delusional about my post. Maybe you need to consider your own biases.

Re:For chrissakes... (0, Offtopic)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980850)

Which delusion?.....I don't think you'll find anything delusional about my post. Maybe you need to consider your own biases.

You just contradicted the post (of yours) I replied to (and quoted) or you are going off-topic and adding what the Mossad has done that is evil.
Unless those supplied post are about how Mossad is not really a weapon but "right-wing zealot settlers." And what makes the settlers right-wing? The fact of wanting to settle in Israel won land?

Re:For chrissakes... (1, Informative)

matria (157464) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980940)

Add to that the usually ignored fact that it was Israeli land that was occupied by Jordan and Egypt for 19 years before the Jordanian and Egyptian occupation was lifted.

Funny how during those 19 years of Jordanian occupation of the West Bank and Egyptian occupation of Gaza that nobody ever suggested a Palestinian state in those occupied territories. And that during those 19 years (and the 40 years since then) the 400,000 or so refugees from the 1948 war were kept blocked up in the "camps" and not allowed to disperse among their Muslim brethren, nor those from the West Bank area and Gaza allowed to return to their homes in the West Bank and Gaza, as all other refugees from all other wars all over the world do.

I swear (4, Insightful)

AdmiralXyz (1378985) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980496)

Sometimes it seems like Slashdot posts stories about Israel for no other reason than to get people to start arguing. Come to think of it, the same goes for Apple.

Why does anyone need to know this? There's really not much discussion you can have about "this country lets you bring iPads" in, before this whole pages inevitably devolves into endless flaming about 1) Israel's foreign policy and/or 2) how the iPad sucks because it's a closed platform or whatever.

I'm just saying, it'd be cool if the editors stopped and asked themselves, "Are we posting this because it's important news that people should know, or are we posting it because we want to watch it draw trolls like moths to a flame?". This story is firmly in category 2.

Re:I swear (5, Insightful)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980516)

Some people travel to Israel for business. It's actually a technological powerhouse, not some godforsaken desert that many think it is.

So anyone with an iPad would be very interested to know that Israel was stealing these computers at the borders.

Sure, there is some levity about Israel's foreign/domestic policy, but the crux of the matter is that Israel was taking stuff that didn't belong to it in the name of "safety". That's pretty important to anyone who might be affected, don't you think?

Re:I swear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980788)

Some people travel to Israel for business.

LOL bullshit. Most slashdot users are part time employees at Best Buy, entering their sixth year of community college. Sorry, sparky, but you don't get to travel for business if you're making $9/hr.

^_^

Re:I swear (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981018)

Sorry, sparky, but you don't get to travel for business if you're making $9/hr.

As a Best Buy employee who is entering his sixth year of community college, I have to prove you wrong. I got an all-expenses-paid trip including a 3-night stay in a hotel and food allowance when I was in charge of the photo lab at another shit-job. Also, I beat you up in high school and get more pussy than you do.

But what does this all have to do with Israel? Jews are some of the worst customers a retail monkey will encounter.
+5, informative

Re:I swear (4, Informative)

Slashdot Parent (995749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980888)

So anyone with an iPad would be very interested to know that Israel was stealing these computers at the borders.

FWIW, the iPads were not being stolen. The rightful owners could reclaim their property when they exited the country.

Re:I swear (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980924)

They also have surprisingly good food(even if you cannot get a cheeseburger :P) and hot women roaming the country with assault rifles slung around their backs, what more do you need?

Re:I swear (1)

matria (157464) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980950)

Plenty of cheeseburgers. You just have to find the non-Kosher McDonalds. There's one at the central bus station in Netanya.

Re:I swear (5, Interesting)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980590)

Sometimes it seems like Slashdot posts stories about Israel for no other reason than to get people to start arguing. Come to think of it, the same goes for Apple

No maybe about it, Slashdot does post stories--and not only about Israel--for no other reason than to get people to start arguing. In fact, I've learned that if I purposely word a submission in a way that will stir up a controversy, it's much more likely to get used. I did exactly that this past week with a submission about Apple possibly buying ARM Holdings by adding a slightly paranoid-sounding sentence about Apple being "able to control who gets to use the processors (and, more importantly, who doesn't)." Totally unnecessary, but I knew that it would help get the submission chosen, and it was.

Trolls are not attracted to bait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980648)

I resent the insinuation that anyone who has something negative to say about Apple or Israel is somehow a troll.

If you can't have an intelligent conversation about the merits and demerits of a technology, maybe this isn't the site for you.

We know you love Apple and Israel. But that doesn't magically bestow any extra weight to your opinions.

So cut it out with ad hominem attacks. If you can't defend yourself, your favorite computer company, or your favorite country with reason and argument, then stay lurking. Because those of us who can attack and defend aren't pulling any punches.

Re:Trolls are not attracted to bait (1, Insightful)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980688)

I resent the insinuation that anyone who has something negative to say about Apple or Israel is somehow a troll.

If you can't have an intelligent conversation about the merits and demerits of a technology, maybe this isn't the site for you

The problem is that people posts have nothing to due with technology. (Some do but how many post can you get out of Israel now allows the ipad?)

Instead, we hear about how they are building homes in places we think they shouldn't or how they are murders of innocent Palestinians.

If you want to bash Israel, at least keep it technology related, but hate does not usually allow one to restrain oneself.

Re:Trolls are not attracted to bait (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980842)

You're right. Discussion of humanitarian issues has no place on a technology site. We should all put aside our humanity when discussing Israel.

I totally understand you, man.

Re:Trolls are not attracted to bait (2, Insightful)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980928)

I am cool with that. But at least the editors could be honest and use a humanity story. There are plenty to choose from.

Re:Trolls are not attracted to bait (4, Insightful)

matria (157464) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981014)

Yeah... like how that iconic picture of the 12-year-old Mohammad al-Dura screaming in terror moments before he was brutally murdered was finally proven to be a staged "Pallywood" production. Or driving the Palestinians out of their homes in Jerusalem. Oh, you mean those Jewish homes purchased over 100 years ago, whose owners the Jordanians drove out, renting the homes to Arabs and holding the rent in "escrow" for the legal Jewish owners? Until the Arabs stopped paying the rent and tried to claim the homes as theirs? And finally got evicted for not paying rent for years? Wish I could live in a rental house and then decide to just stop paying the rent and get to claim title to the house.

Or how about building some apartment buildings in a Jewish neighborhood of Jerusalem that in no way expands the borders of said Jewish neighborhood? Well, I guess facts really aren't all that much fun, are they? After all, "thousands of illegal settlements driving the Palestinians off their land" sounds a lot more exciting than "Jews legally building apartments in their own neighborhoods".

Re:Trolls are not attracted to bait (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981054)

Sure. Post one of those stories and we can talk about it. Posting an iphone story just so we can talk Israel politics is dishonest.

Re:Trolls are not attracted to bait (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981240)

You might be a troll if your idea of infrastructure tends to foot bridges with curiously large abutments.

They are not out to get you (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980878)

Sometimes it seems like Slashdot posts stories about Israel

The same could be said about Australia any time it's government does anything stupid related to technology, thus I suggest growing up.
We are not all out to get you.

Re:I swear (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980882)

Re: Why does anyone need to know this?
Historically the ipad, its software and hardware do open a few questions.
Some parts of the world might ask questions beyond interference issues.
Could slashdot users comment on unique tracking needs?
How open is Apple OS efforts to a trojan or more passive world wide tracking?
Would an engineer like a new grey market ipad..

iSrahell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980512)

Palestinians just need new wireless cards to return?

They know a Terrorist when they see one. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980578)

Faggot turtle-neck wearing computers sold from the Serpent-race to their jewesses.

Jews for Nerds! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31980580)

Jews, also known as kikes, hebes, hymies, yids, gold niggers, oven magnets, hook noses, sheenies, swindlers, criminals, "firewood", and Arabs in denial are a subhuman species of reptilian extra-terrestrials and adherents to one of the world's oldest major religions, called "Judaism", otherwise known as "The Worship of Money" or "Eating Arab Babies".

Judaism was the world's first master race theory. The Jew religion teaches that Jews are the Chosen People of God and that there is a sacred mystical quality to Jew DNA. In olden times, Jew prophets would, under the command of YHWH, frequently lead the Jews on genocidal rampages against neighboring populations, and even today Jew leaders often cite Jewish religious ideals to justify their ongoing genocide of sandniggers. Judaism ironically found its mirror-image inversion in the anti-Jew Aryan racialism of the Nazis.

Despite only being 0.22% of the world's population, Jews control 99% of the world's money. Not only do the Jews control the world, but also the media, the banks, the space program, and LiveJournal's porn communities and Gay communities. All Jews possess the following features: an extremely large nose, fake boobs, curly hair that reeks of faggotry, one of those gay hats, a love of coke, a law practice, a roll of money, a small cock, or shitty taste in dental hygiene.

Jews invented both Communism and Capitalism. Karl Marx, of course, was a Jew, which was why he understood money so well, and in fact he was converted to Communism by another Jew, Moses Hess, the actual founder of Zionism, who ghost-wrote Marx's The German Ideology. Capitalism was created when Christian Europeans threw away their morals and decided to embrace Jewish practices like usury (see: John Calvin). Jews were the first group to create a sophisticated banking system, which they used to fund the Crusades in order to pit Christians and Muslims (both adhering to religions derived from and controlled by Jews) against each other to kill as many people as possible in a macabre human sacrifice to YHWH.

The Jew banking system was based on fraud and lies, so when it inevitably collapsed, the Jews just pwned as many people as possible by unleashing the Black Plague on them. Later, Jews economically controlled medieval Venice (the first modern maritime trade empire), and then crypto-Jewish merchants economically controlled the Spanish Empire, including the slave trade. Openly Jewish bankers orchestrated the Dutch Empire and founded Jew Amsterdam (later Jew York). Later the Dutch Jews moved to London because they thought it would be a better base for a global empire, and actually brought a Dutch nobleman, William III, with them, who they installed in a coup d'état (more like Jew d'état, amirite?) as new King of the British Empire. For hundreds of years, Jewish bankers controlled global trade through their bases in Jew York City and London. European colonialism was, through its history, essentially a plot whereby Jews could gain control of gold and diamond mines in poor countries and increase their stranglehold over the global economy.

Jews also enjoy slicing up baby penises for fun, some even enjoy sucking them. See below.

Jews also created Jew search engine Google, so now they can find all Jew information on Internets.

Some suggest that we should use Jews instead of dogs to sniff out large amounts of concealed cash or anything else worth smuggling at airports due to their sensitive Jew noses. Obviously, this is a horrible idea, because the pay is bad, and the dirty Kikes would probably form a union and demand moar money, thus increasing the burden on taxpayers everywhere.

Re:Jews for Nerds! (0, Flamebait)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980612)

My advice to you: Be like Hitler, and kill yourself!

Clearly... (1)

Nov Voc (1619289) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980620)

...following two weeks of confiscations and confusion.

Clearly, someone didn't feel like just waiting in line for their own, eh?

Its ok. It has a driedel app. (0, Flamebait)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980634)

That and the Israelis love a good bribe just like everyone else.

Did that affect non residents ? (1)

Pastis (145655) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980784)

> If your iPad was confiscated by customs officials
> atBen-Gurion International Airport, you can now
> pick it up

Questions:

* did that affect people travelling to Israel as tourists or just locals returning home with a product from overseas who declared it at customs ?
* if you were a tourist, was your iPad returned when you left the country ?
* if not, do you have to go back to Israel to get it returned or can they ship it to you ?

Re:Did that affect non residents ? (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980872)

I am sorry that I can not answer, but I did feel compelled to say this: How dare you ask questions relevant to the story!!

Re:Did that affect non residents ? (1)

Superdarion (1286310) | more than 4 years ago | (#31980958)

And he didn't even mention how the iPad is closed! Baffling!

Re:Did that affect non residents ? (1)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981084)

You could simply reclaim your iPad at Customs upon exiting the country.

Re:Did that affect non residents ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31981256)

Yes, it did affect tourists.

Anyone leaving the country could have his/hers iPad delivered to the plane after boarding, naturally this involved a delivery fee.

The real reason for the ban had nothing to do with security or radio standards. The official Apple distributor and cellphone companies didn't want to repeat the iPhone fiasco. By the time they've signed their (very ambitious) distribution contracts with Apple every consumer that wanted an iPhone, already had it. It's amazing what you can get away with if you have the right friends.

MAZAL TOV!!!! (5, Funny)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 4 years ago | (#31981020)

The iPad is now KOSHER!!!
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