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174 comments

I smell EVIL (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32018894)

Don't you?

Re:I smell EVIL (3, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019102)

Don't you?

Sorry. I had chili for lunch. I'll open a Window ...

HTC is hedging their bets (a smart move), but will this lead to disparate Android UI's between platforms?

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

radish (98371) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019590)

HTC is hedging their bets (a smart move), but will this lead to disparate Android UI's between platforms?

We already have that: between the multiple different versions of Android itself and things like Motoblur or Sense - Android is a totally fragmented platform.

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020738)

Or diverse, however you want to look at it.

Saying it's fragmented is like saying "US business is fragmented, there's a bunch of small and large competitors who perform similar work!"

Re:I smell EVIL (2, Insightful)

radish (98371) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021078)

Agreed, it's semantics. But for me, if it allows me to choose the best solution for my needs it's diversity. If it hampers me and makes it hard to run what I want, it's fragmentation :) The problem is people who bought devices expecting (and in some cases being promised) upgrades who aren't getting them, and hence can't run specific apps. Say what you want about Apple, but at least an iPhone can run any app it has the appropriate hardware for - a consumer doesn't (yet!) have to worry about the OS version.

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

silverglade00 (1751552) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021880)

a consumer doesn't (yet!) have to worry about the OS version.

Last week I updated my wife's iPhone because she couldn't download quite a few apps. It kept telling her she had to update her OS to use the app.

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021858)

Is it the entire Android platform that's fragmented or just the user interface?

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

Chysn (898420) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019666)

but will this lead to disparate Android UI's between platforms?

We're going to have that anyway with Android, and HTC is the king of alternate UI for Android. The benefits and drawbacks are debatable, but at some point there will be devices running Android that can't even be readily identified as Android devices by a casual user.

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

ooshna (1654125) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020250)

We're going to have that anyway with Android, and HTC is the king of alternate UI for Android. The benefits and drawbacks are debatable, but at some point there will be devices running Android that can't even be readily identified as Android devices by a casual user.

Isn't that one of the points people always use to show how Android is better than the Apple alternative? Its OSS if they all looked the same and no one thought outside of the box what is the point. You can't talk about how great it is to be open source and then complain that people change it and customize .

Re:I smell EVIL (2, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021974)

You can't talk about how great it is to be open source and then complain that people change it and customize .

Oh yes you can. This is Slashdot. You can be handed a Golden Artifact of Magic Hourly Orgasms, and it would be quite normal around here to complain about it.

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

Burz (138833) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020012)

They're hedging bets (or rather, buying "insurance" from MS) at the expense of the legal standing and reputation of the Linux community.

Re:I smell EVIL (2, Insightful)

nazsco (695026) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020214)

> HTC is hedging their bets (a smart move), but will this lead to disparate Android UI's between platforms?

No. This will result in crippled android devices and in return microsoft will not cut their piece of profits on the windows phones.

Re:I smell EVIL (2, Insightful)

TheTrueScotsman (1191887) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020234)

The fragmentation is only at the level of the top level GUI - almost like the difference between Windows Classic and the more recent styles. The apps will still run unchanged on all Android phones (assuming Android version compatibility) and that's the important thing.

Re:I smell EVIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32020984)

Don't you?

Sorry. I had chili for lunch. I'll open a Window ...

I just hope this wasn't the part that was modded interesting...

Re:I smell EVIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32019142)

Check your upper lip.

Re:I smell EVIL (3, Interesting)

izomiac (815208) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019338)

I smell Microsoft making a money grab since HTC likely doesn't want to fight more than one major corporation in a patent war at the same time. So the royalties are probably a bit less than what said patent war would cost, and Microsoft gets a cut from the Android pie. It also hurts the iPhone slightly, which probably helps Microsoft.

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019504)

Pay Apple for patent infringement while they are a competitor, or license patents from a client that may block the infringement charges.

Re:I smell EVIL (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020754)

Given that some of the patents that Apple has invoked against HTC concern WinMo phones, it would seem that Microsoft has a stake in that fight alongside HTC.

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019692)

Me too!

But really I'm low on karma.

Re:I smell EVIL (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020948)

My guess is that HTC wants to be able to either stave off the Apple harassment or they want to gain Exchange connectivity.

Honestly, if HTC were to come out with an Android phone with GOOD exchange support, they'd have a lot of the current WinMo fans in their pocket for the foreseeable future. THere are a lot of WinMo users who are pissed at MS for going to the Apple "only through our portal" way of doing things: they want to tinker. The WinMo mod scene is non-trivial in size, and are composed of largely technical people; this would be a bad thing for MS, but good for everyone else, in all likelihood.

oooh (2, Interesting)

Monkey-Man2000 (603495) | more than 3 years ago | (#32018896)

This sounds like there's potential for a knock-down-drag-out fight between Microsoft/HTC and Apple (and tangentially Google). Should be good. I'll cook the popcorn...

Time to go to law school! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32018974)

This could be a career.

Re:oooh (1)

Mendoksou (1480261) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019014)

Should be fun, I'll get the soft drinks. Apple's been acting like the patent bully for some time now, but of course Microsoft was THE evil power of the 90's. This will be an all-out brawl like none other... either that or they'll come up with an agreement that is mutually beneficial, and screws the rest of us over.

Re:oooh (2, Interesting)

dadioflex (854298) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019172)

Hmm. It's not like Microsoft and HTC have formed some sort of coalition. HTC cut a deal with Microsoft to avoid ANOTHER drag out fight, this time over potential/perceived infringement of MS IP. MS won't be going up against Apple because of this.

Re:oooh (4, Interesting)

Flambergius (55153) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021844)

I don't pretend to know what "broad coverage" means, but if MS wanted to fight Apple, doing via open source proxy would be an ideal way to do it. HTC does the fighting and MS provides the ammunition. All the risks are with HTC and MS is at least partly insulated from bad press it would get in a direct confrontation with Apple. And the situation could be very bad for Apple: they are going after an open source platform, with all the bad press that going to bring on them, but they are also going against one the most intimidating patent portfolios there is, and one of the few companies with a war chest to match theirs, and they would have a lot to lose, while MS doesn't.

Too weird (1, Interesting)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 3 years ago | (#32018898)

This is a weird world we're living in. Microsoft is offering patent protection to an open source product to counter lawsuits by Apple, thereby increasing the viability of the open source platform to spite Apple's own platform, even though Microsoft also has a competing platform.

Well, I guess I still hate Apple, so.. go Microsoft!

Re:Too weird (2, Insightful)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 3 years ago | (#32018952)

Or maybe I'm stupid, and Microsoft is trying to use the threat of Apple's lawsuit to secure revenue on their own patents.

You know, either way.

Re:Too weird (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020366)

I doubt it. HTC is the biggest producer of WinMo phones and has been for years.
Microsoft NEEDS HTC to be a big supporter of WinMo7 so they where probably eager to help them out.
I doubt that they will go after Google because goodness knows what patents on search Google has that they could use to beat up Microsoft.

Overall WE NEED TO THROW OUT ALL SOFTWARE PATENTS!

Re:Too weird (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32022058)

All spelling and grammar errors are intentional. Grammar Nazis' need entertainment.

In that context you are using "grammar" as an adjective. Consequently you need to use the words "grammatical errors" and not "grammar errors". Furthermore, your possessive apostrophe in Nazis is incorrect, and not required.

Re:Too weird (5, Insightful)

MMInterface (1039102) | more than 3 years ago | (#32018968)

I think you are misunderstanding what MS is doing. What they are really saying is Android violates their patents, but HTC their biggest Windows Mobile partner is in the clear (from MS patents) with it's Android devices. Other OEMs that don't make similar deals may get sued by MS for using Android. I was wondering when MS would join this mobile patent orgy.

Re:Too weird (5, Insightful)

Tobyb (163448) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019232)

Agreed, I don't understand this thought process going around the web and this story that MS is protecting HTC from Apple. MS saw what Apple saw, HTC was the lowest hanging fruit of the OEMs. Now, if WinMo7 wins, MS wins. If Andriod wins, MS wins. There was always a question of how MS was going to compete against free. Well, that was answered. An OEM can either pay a license for WinMo7 from MS or get Android and pay a royalty to MS. Also, by settling, the infringing patents are not shown (unlike the rather ham handed move by Apple). FUD to other OEMs will do just fine, thank you.
Nice move MS. First you have two horses in this race. Second, did it without having show your infringing patents. Finally, somehow got thousands of idiots on the web to believe that you are the good guys and just a another soldier by your side in the battle against Apple. That last move is what impresses me the most. MS PR department has really come a long way since the '90s. Welcome back MS. You are your best when you are evil.

Re:Too weird (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019436)

Good PR?
This just means I will not being replacing this droid with any HTC phone. If motorola signs, I will go to a phone right from google.

Re:Too weird (2, Insightful)

radish (98371) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019506)

Google don't make hardware. The Nexus One is made by ... wait for it ... HTC.

Re:Too weird (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019558)

Fine then I will get a nokia. Just means I have to do a little extra research. Makes me very glad I did not buy an eris. HTC go DIAF.

Nokia is loosing touch (1)

thruthenight (1765910) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021476)

I used to say "Nokia or nothing", I still love their quality, and usability of Nokia phones (keyboard, layout, etc)... But they've got to seriously improve Symbian. And good luck finding good/living/improving apps for it - seems nobody develops for Symbian anymore. Not to mention that prices for Nokia phones are insane. I mean I've got Nexus One for about 25% cheaper than price for quite obsolete model N97 - isn't it crazy?!

Re:Too weird (1)

Ruvim (889012) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019580)

So, if HTC went ahead and paid MS off, does it increase chances that they would do the same with Apple?

Re:Too weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32019726)

I can't readily see how android violates any apple patents, please show me where you're going with this

Re:Too weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32019976)

I'm still way confused just how Apple patented Multitouch, when the Microsoft Surface tabletop computer was shown several years before the Iphone wow'd us all?

Re:Too weird (1)

HermMunster (972336) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020402)

Microsoft was not the first with the tabletop. That had been out a couple years before Microsoft's version. Microsoft's is just a copy.

Re:Too weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32021182)

'its' damn you! Its.

Re:Too weird (3, Interesting)

Flavio (12072) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021208)

Other OEMs that don't make similar deals may get sued by MS for using Android.

I believe this is pure speculation on your part, because MS made no indication that it intends to sue hardware manufacturers because of software patents (Android related or not!). My understanding is that Microsoft is not a patent troll. Microsoft completely understands that software patents are a minefield, and use their large portfolio for protective purposes against companies like Apple.

In my opinion, Microsoft's move has the following intent:

1) It ensures that HTC can manufacture Windows Phone 7 phones (or whatever they will be called). HTC is not only Microsoft's largest partner in mobile phones, but they make handsets with the fastest hardware (which WP7 will probably need to run Office smoothly). It would be a disaster for Microsoft if HTC was forced to remove features from their products because of Apple's lawsuit, especially with WP7 being so close to being launched.

2) It practically guarantees that Apple will not be successful with its patent trolling against HTC (Nokia is on their own, but their portfolio is already huge). If Apple had even some degree of success, they would've been encouraged to pursue further legal action using software patents.

3) MS capitalizes on Android's success.

I believe the motivation for OEMs to license patents from Microsoft actually comes from Apple, and not from Microsoft. So from my perspective, it looks like Apple's attempts at intimidation have backfired.

Re:Too weird (1)

dk90406 (797452) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019044)

No, they are asking HTC to license because the feel that Android infringes on MS patents. They are in no way protecting against Apple. In I doubt that would be in their interest: If Apple could hit Android, it would leave one less competitor standing.

Re:Too weird (2, Interesting)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019254)

Or, this could just be a move by MS to slow down Apple taking down Android, thus leaving only those lovely W7 mobile phones as fish in the barrel of Apples new iphone shotgun this summer.

Re:Too weird (1)

Relayman (1068986) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019298)

No, they are asking HTC to license because this gives HTC the full Microsoft patent portfolio to use against Apple. HTC can now point out any infringement that Apple has done on Microsoft's patents so they can settle this whole thing out of court. Then my wife can continue to use her HTC Droid Eris phone which she likes a lot. (She considered the iPhone but bought the Eris the day after Apple sued HTC.)

More than weird... (1)

brennanw (5761) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019366)

It hurt my brain.

I mean, *really* hurt my brain.

Re:Too weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32019914)

Are you stupid? MS is attacking Android with their own alledged patents, not defending it from Apple's similar patent extorsion.

Re:Too weird (1)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020302)

and to top it off Microsoft licenses ActiveSync to Apple and Google. Last few years Apple and MS have been playing very nice together. Almost like a balance or terror. MS doesn't want Apple to become too powerful

Novell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32018904)

What Microsoft Patents does Android infringe on?

Re:Novell? (2, Informative)

sparrowhead (1795632) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019018)

I guess it's the usual FUD. As usually MS claims [cnet.com] their IP got violated, however without telling which ones. Barking dogs...

Re:Novell? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32020304)

is it FUD when every HTC andriod phone comes with an additional microsoft license fee? Is it FUD when people bust their ass coding software and MS comes along and charges for that software? Is it FUD now that any attempt to sell devices with Linux on it will result in a license fee? passed down to you? This is the REALITY not FUD. its REAL. And the more the Linux community buries their head in the sand and just write this off as FUD the more MS will run this extortion racket ala SCO behind their backs. Microsoft can go FUCK itself.

Linux is no longer free in a commercial environment. If you run Linux you owe Microsoft money. That's the bottom line. Who the fuck woulda thunk?

what this does is makes linux more expensive to deploy for manufactures than windows. And since Linux and company could not care less and really does not care Microsoft will win.

Re:Novell? (1)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021488)

Microsoft doesn't tell *you* which ones. That doesn't mean they haven't told others, such as HTC, Amazon, Samsung, LG, and the others who have decided to license their patents.

Re:Novell? (1)

ZenDragon (1205104) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019056)

This is what Im trying to figure out. Obviously the two different OS's come from completely different roots, what is it that could possibly be infringing on patents of Microsoft? Unless of course its one of those obscure patents on something like a "popup window" or some crap like that. I dont understand how anybody is supposed to innovate in this day in age when doing anything new like playing mine sweeper in hard mode.

Re:Novell? (2, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019154)

What Microsoft Patents does Android infringe on?

Let's see ...

Electronic computing device that is not made by Apple ... handheld device that is or isn't Zune compatible ... technilogical advancement that does not include Bob [slashdot.org] ... I'm sure there are others.

From the article... (2, Insightful)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 3 years ago | (#32018922)

Beneath that rhetoric of unity, however, is an implication that, given the chance, Microsoft may go after other Android handset manufacturers who infringe on its IP.

Not likely. Once it goes to court their whole racketeering operation will have to shut down. Far better to bank out of court settlements based on vague threats than going the Apple route and listing the patents begging for invalidation.

if ya can't beat em, sue em (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32018954)

... M$ is pathetic

Sue (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32018986)

Google should sue anyone who makes a deal with Microsoft. Because what's the point if you have to pay Microsoft for using Android?

Re:Sue (3, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019332)

What grounds is Google supposed to sue on? It's not like you can just sue people for pissing you off.

That's beside the point though. Microsoft doesn't make phones. Microsoft makes a phone OS. It needs other companies to make the hardware, as does Google. Given that HTC seems to be the industry darling when it comes to producing hardware for 3rd party OS's these days, it's likely that Microsoft simply made a non-monetary agreement with HTC - if they keep making Windows phones, they are in the clear regarding MS patents for other systems.

Re:Sue (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019614)

Then they need to write their next contracts better.
Also google should make sure any future "google phones" are not made by HTC. I am sure motorola or anyone of the many Chinese makers would be glad to do the work.

Re:Sue (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021656)

htc beats the crap out of motorola in hardware quality. hold motorola droid in one hand and htc legend/hd2 in the other. then you will understand the level of quality of htc.

Poor Palm (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019010)

I really enjoy my Palm Pre Plus, but its 'software ecosphere' is really suffering. This news reinforces that fact.

It's a starting-point (1)

ItsJustAPseudonym (1259172) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019028)

"We are pleased to continue our collaboration with HTC."

Yes, quite. All the way through the point when HTC becomes "Microsoft HTC."

Re:It's a starting-point (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020798)

What "starting point"? HTC has been the single largest manufacturer of Windows Mobile devices for years.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32019030)

The battlefield situation:

Microsoft
HTC
Google

-- vs --

The Almighty Apple

Fight!

Oh, yeah! I remember that one! (2, Funny)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019060)

We're talking about episode VI, right? Vader kills the Emperor?
So I guess, this is enough for Microsoft (or its ghost) to be welcomed by Yoda, Obi-Wan or the /. crowd?

Hmm, on the other hand I was always a Star Trek fan myself, so I might be shooting blanks here...

Re:Oh, yeah! I remember that one! (5, Insightful)

smitty97 (995791) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019370)

no, it's more like Episode V, when Lando tells Han that they've just signed "a deal that'll keep the empire out of here forever"

Re:Oh, yeah! I remember that one! (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019686)

So you are saying Microsoft is not the child prodigy that becomes a powerful evil force, but is instead the guy that is forced to betray his friend, but then saves him as well as his companions and goes on to become a rebel hero?

Hmm, as I said before, Star Trek is more "my thing", so I might be missing things here...

Re:Oh, yeah! I remember that one! (1)

yincrash (854885) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019796)

I think HTC is supposed to be Lando and Microsoft is the Empire.

Re:Oh, yeah! I remember that one! (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020598)

I think HTC is supposed to be Lando and Microsoft is the Empire.

Does that make Android/Google the conflicted hero son of the dark overlord Bill Gates?

Re:Oh, yeah! I remember that one! (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021016)

The one that wants to sleep with his sister?

Yep, that's the one. :P

Re:Oh, yeah! I remember that one! (1)

Genrou (600910) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021674)

No, I think it's more like Episode VI, when Admiral Ackbar says "it's a trap!"

This can be good... or bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32019108)

Microsoft has a horse in this race too with Windows Mobile 6.5 and later 7. It might be understandable for them to license patents for the Windows Mobile phones. However, my tinfoil hat suspicions [1] make me wonder if Android devices will end up with limitations.

Already, HTC phones are becoming more and more root-hostile. People have reported that there are hidden tricks to keep read-only partitions read-only, so they can't be changed for a custom ROM, or allow for rooted utilities to function.

I can see things in the future also coming out to add to being root hostile. Processes which run and kill anything as UID 0 and not on a signed manifest list. Perhaps even code to disable the phone until it gets reflashed.

So, even though HTC is out of this mess, I wonder how good or bad this will help Android in the times to come.

[1]: And I mean suspicions here. This is pure conjecture.

Re:This can be good... or bad (3, Insightful)

mlts (1038732) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019296)

That may be, and it is understandable to be wary. However, I wonder if Microsoft is doing a different strategy, more along the lines of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

If one looks at things objectively, in a corporate environment as of now, Android is not a threat to Windows Mobile. It does not have true memory card encryption which is required in a lot of enterprises. Nor can it really be bound to Exchange where it supports profiles like disabling cameras, limiting what software is installed (on Windows Mobile, companies can have their own signing key to only let apps that are vetted in house run,) and other items which might be used for regulatory compliance.

I'm also sure that Microsoft knows that if HTC is crushed by Apple, then more people will end up on the iPhone. It is the lesser of two evils. Android which is limping along slowly but surely and suffering from fragmentation, versus the iPhone which has the ability to cause a lot of lock-in. It is easier to move a customer from Android to Windows Phone 7 than it is from the iPhone platform. So, by siding with the lesser of two evils, MS is preventing Apple from getting an overwhelming death grip on the market.

Re:This can be good... or bad (2, Insightful)

DWRECK18 (1796294) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019724)

I don't completely agree with this. For one Android is so much limping along slowly, so much as it is growing in the consumer division for those people who really don't want AT&T or Apple. I have seen many of a people choose an Android phone over Windows Mobile and iPhone. However you are right when you say the corporate problems that Android has. Android does not offer the type of security that Windows Mobile does when dealing with encryption standards, profiles, or anything you would need for the corporate infrustructure when dealing with PII. However, if you are looking at it from strictly a corporate standpoint wouldn't Blackberry be MS biggest competitor when dealing with that market as they have had a stranglehold on it due to what they support? As I have worked in both the DOD and DOE only the blackberry is used to sync to their network. So saying that Android is limping along is invalid, since if you look outside the corporate infrastructure they have done nothing but grow.

Re:This can be good... or bad (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020436)

Even in the enterprise is it growing, it supports activesync with SSL so that is fine for email and calendar for most.

Blackberries here are on the way out, the OS sucks, BES got worse going from 4 to 5 and it constantly fails for one person which requires restarting the services for everyone.

Re:This can be good... or bad (1)

DWRECK18 (1796294) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021044)

I can understand that, there was an article just the other day that I wish I could cite, that said the good and bad of every phone in the Enterprise world. The two leaders to date as far as security and how well they protect information and work within the enterprise were Windows Mobile 7 and Blackberries. So though BES is getting worse and Android is growing, they were still one of the worst phones for use in an enterprise environment. I can see that changing in the near future as it is opensource and with all the apps that are coming out and developers that would like to use this in an enterprise.

Re:This can be good... or bad (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019406)

Any of that would just lead to me buying from nokia. Plain and simple, iphone already is too locked down, windows is windows, and if android phone makers pull that crap I just will use this one till it dies then get a nokia.

This stuff is just a way to put themselves out of business.

The big picture. (3, Interesting)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019110)

As Engadget points out (or maybe just theorizes), the licencing fee for android patents is about the same as the regular licence fee for Windows Mobile (aka Windows Phone 7), thereby making it a wash for phone developers.

They're really just trying to level the playing field (in a shitty way).
-Taylor

Re:The big picture. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019352)

That is not leveling the playing field, that is a protection racket. Leveling the playing field would be making WinCE cost near nothing.

Re:The big picture. (1)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019562)

That is not leveling the playing field, that is a protection racket. Leveling the playing field would be making WinCE cost near nothing.

Well, it is still leveling the playing field. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that what they're doing is okay, and although it boils down to a protection racket, i feel like their real plan is to make android cost the same as WinMo, not just get protection money. The point isn't the money (which is normally why people collect protection funds), its promoting winmo.
-Taylor

Re:The big picture. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019748)

Fine both mean the DOJ needs to get involved, but that will never happen.

Either way, I am going to be sure in the future I do not buy any phone made by anyone who paid MS a dime. So glad I did not get an eris.

Re:The big picture. (1)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019888)

Fine both mean the DOJ needs to get involved, but that will never happen.

Either way, I am going to be sure in the future I do not buy any phone made by anyone who paid MS a dime. So glad I did not get an eris.

Sadly, HTC is awesome. I've been a customer of theirs for years and have never been let down by the hardware. Currently on a Nexus One and love it.

I'll try not to worry about what their accountants and laywers decide, because their hardware guys are amazing. Unless this gets worse though, I suppose. I'm more just sickened by the thought of continuing to pay Microsoft for licensing a phone with an OSS OS. I thought i decided to stop paying them for phones a long time ago...
-Taylor

Re:The big picture. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020532)

They can be awesome just like SuSe once was, I still won't buy from folks who make deals with the devil.

Re:The big picture. (1)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020710)

They can be awesome just like SuSe once was, I still won't buy from folks who make deals with the devil.

Fair enough.

And What About Google? (4, Interesting)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019200)

Here I thought Google was going to stand behind the manufacturers who were supporting Android. I wonder where they went when Microsoft called HTC?...

the justice department will be all over this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32019272)

posting before the justice department investigates this.

Embrace Extend Extinguish (1)

smitty97 (995791) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019330)

It's a trap!

This doesn't have to mean android infringes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32019382)

This doesn't have to mean android infringes. Maybe HTC plans to put some of microsoft's technology on top of android to differentiate themselves from other android phones?

will someone tell me (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019430)

which one is farnsworth and which one is rca so i know who to root for?

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae408.cfm [physlink.com]

ip law doesn't reward inventors. ip law rewards assholes with big pockets. as this case shows, ip law is a farce, its a way for big companies to waste a lot of money on lawyer whores

if you are the little guy who thinks that copyright is for authors, and patents are for inventors, you're a fool

ip law is for distributors and large corporations. real creators are screwed. stop being naive

in the name of the highest ideals of western democracy, fuck ip law, it should be actively undermined and destroyed by anyone with morality and principles. we can't work through our governments and legislators, they're all whores to the patronage system. its up to the common man to destroy the entire rotten edifice

i'm not talking about revolution or any such nonsense. i'm talking about piracy. i'm talking about hitting them in their wallets. with any luck, we can bankrupt the organizations that profit from the idea of "intellectual property", and thereby destroy the validity of the idea itself in anyone's eyes

aarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

Android (1)

dontgetshocked (1073678) | more than 3 years ago | (#32019448)

Microsoft is using the backdoor again to not only make profit but get another foot in the door of OpenSource.Will Google sit idly by and not take any action? Is there anyone who can stop this evil machine? Is the future of Android doomed? Just when things were starting to look up. Oh well, Long Live Lucid Lynx...

Re:Android (1)

BountyX (1227176) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020794)

Fear not, there is always maemo [maemo.org] . I actually heard it was better than Android and is closer to debian. I think its LGPL too. Really we just need open handsets to start community porting. Maybe some n900 users can chime in?

Re:Android (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021796)

n900 is simply the best nokia phone ever made. much better than any s60/symbian.
but the level of usability just cannot be compared with iphone/android. it feels...crude.

Dear HTC - Don't be SCO. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32020084)

I get a great sense of deja vu reading this story...

documenting it on http://en.swpat.org (0, Offtopic)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020188)

I'm a bit behind on documenting this on en.swpat.org. If anyone can get it started, all help is welcome. In the mean time, here's the info I have on closely related topics :

Re:documenting it on http://en.swpat.org (0, Troll)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020840)

Enough spamming. I'm pretty sure that everyone on /. who has any interest in taking part in your project has already seen one of your previous posts.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend (1)

Crashspeeder (1468723) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020408)

A very good strategy on Microsoft's part. I wonder how long this will last and what it will allow HTC to use. Possible HTC phone in the future that runs Android and includes some Microsoft R&D projects?

more Linux FUD from Microsoft and Friends. (2, Interesting)

lophophore (4087) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020626)

I looked at as much press as I could find about this, and I cannot find anything that says exactly what IP Android infringes on. I smell a rat.

Has anybody seen anything that names the protected IP? What is it in Android that infringes on Microsoft's IP? And if Android does infringe, why aren't they going after Motorola?

More Linux FUD from Microsoft and friends.

How the crap? (1)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 3 years ago | (#32020632)

Seriously - how the crap can anyone point to the patent system and say that it promotes innovation?

Small company might run afoul of a larger one, so it finds another larger one to partner with. Sort of a mutually-assured-destruction patent scenario. The product doesn't change a single bit. It still infringes on whatever Apple patents it may have infringed upon. It just has a new benefactor that Apple knows it cannot beat in a patent war.

Software patents are so broken it's insane. When will we finally ditch the whole idea?

MS vs HTC (3, Insightful)

Nite_Hawk (1304) | more than 3 years ago | (#32021460)

I doubt MS forced HTC's hand on this one. They've arguably been the only thing keeping windows mobile from being a complete failure. They've consistently released the best selling windows mobile phones with the best hardware and UIs available. Sure everyone likes getting money, but anything HTC can give MS is chump change. Hell, MS gives away money just for using bing to buy stuff. I imagine the untold details of this arrangement have much more to do with how HTC will help MS make WinMo7 succeed. MS needs a high quality phone line-up for WinMo7 and HTC has consistently given them that in the past. Who else can they realistically turn to? Sony? Motorola? Samsung? None of them were able to offer windows mobile phones that were nearly as compelling as HTC's.

Interestingly enough we are seeing the same thing play out in the android universe. Other than the Droid HTC phones are dominating the field. It's in both Google and MS's best interests to keep HTC alive, happy and hopefully developing the best phones for their platform. It's no coincidence that Apple is targeting them.

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