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Apple To Shut Down Lala On May 31

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the so-much-for-competition dept.

Music 438

dirk and a large number of other distressed readers let us know that Apple is shuttering Lala, the music service they bought last December, on May 31. "Apple will transfer any remaining money in a user's account to iTunes, and will credit users (via iTunes) for any web songs that were purchased. It's a real shame, as Lala was a much better music service, offering songs in straight MP3 format. Its web service was innovative and ahead of its time. And it was one of the few places that would let you listen to an entire song to sample it (after one complete listen, you then could only hear a 30-second sample)." Reader Dhandforth adds: "10-cent favorites will now cost 9.9x more. What's worse, a community of music fans (followers and followees) will disappear on May 31. Evil. Sigh."

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438 comments

While I personally didn't use the service... (4, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045004)

...I know people who did, and none of them are happy about this. I've herad nothing but good things about Lala, it's a shame that it will be going away :/

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (1)

Yamata no Orochi (1626135) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045016)

Are there patents surrounding some technology involved? Why don't the people responsible for it just make a new service that does functionally the same thing?

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045094)

No, it's the licensing. You have to negotiate licensing with every music publisher you carry. I'd imagine that the people responsible for Lala don't want to do that because it sounds like hell and they've already cashed out.

ATTN: SWITCHEURS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045384)

If you don't know what GPL and GNU are for, GTFO.
If you think Firefox is a decent GNU/Linux application, GTFO.
If you're still looking for the Control Panel, GTFO.
If you don't know Tux from SCO, GTFO.

Bandwagon jumpers are not welcome among real GNU/Linux users [flickr.com] . Keep your filthy Windows fingers to yourself.

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (1)

Yamata no Orochi (1626135) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045662)

They've successfully done it once, though. Seems like an easy way to generate that cash AGAIN when someone else comes along to buy them up, since they won't be competing with their predecessor.

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045696)

Isn't there some kind of conditional licensing where if you have X license, then that is the minimum to be agreed to on any further license? I remembered reading about it for music - it's something like if you agree to 50c/song and a new agreement comes along, you can't ask for less than 50c/song.

I bet that's why apple crushed it after obtaining it - they probably were pissed that lala was giving the record company a better deal than apple was, or that lala was getting a better deal than apple.

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (1)

Zerth (26112) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045042)

I've only heard of them because Google had Lala integrated into search results.

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (1)

thepike (1781582) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045224)

Me too. But I did use that fact sometimes when I was looking for a song I had heard on the radio or in a movie or something. I'm kind of mad that it'll be shut down. Granted, I didn't really buy any music from them, so I did nothing to stop it, but it was helpful.

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045498)

>>>Google had Lala integrated into search results.

I feel like sabotaging Apple. And costing them money. (Goes off to put Google/Lala on infinite loop.)

Lala's the service that also powered billboard.com, so you could listen to the top songs on the chart. I wonder what they'll do now?

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (1)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045422)

I don't get the summary. Do they honestly thing that 128k mp3s are better than the 256k AACs that iTunes offers? I get them moaning about the price increase, but that statement is rather weird.

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (2, Insightful)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045516)

I personally have a dozen devices (many of them older) that'll play those 128k MP3 files as is, and NONE of them can process an AAC file.

While the sound quality of the AAC file is miles better, 128k VBR MP3 is good enough for many portables, and I can certainly understand folks being grumpy about now having to perform a format conversion before being able to listen to their purchased music files...

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (1)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045562)

I personally have a dozen devices (many of them older) that'll play those 128k MP3 files as is, and NONE of them can process an AAC file.

Wow, you must have some *really* old devices, I've not seen a device that can't play mpeg 4 audio in the past 4-5 years.

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (1)

IshmaelDS (981095) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045766)

I hate to say it but 4-5 years isn't that old. Some of us can make use of device's for far longer than that. I still have a walkman, a discman, and some no-name brand MP3 player that's only a couple hundred meg from years ago.

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045804)

Why the fuck should we care that you're living in the past?

Re:While I personally didn't use the service... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045660)

It depends on their musical tastes, I guess. Some of the more popular tunes of today, you might be grateful for less clarity :)

No duh? (4, Insightful)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045012)

Because anyone actually thought that Apple was going to keep running two competing music stores?

Re:No duh? (4, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045366)

Well......

I hear people objecting about media consolidation. Like how NBC Universal owns ~10 major cable channels. And now Comcast owns NBC Universal, so they can control what gets shown or not shown on broadcast (say goodbye to BSG or SG1 reruns on free tv). It appears we're witnessing the same thing in the web, with competitors gradually disappearing to leave behind a monopoly or duopoly.

I will leave it up to you to decide if that's bad or good.

Re:No duh? (3, Insightful)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045588)

Makes you wonder why they purchased it in the first place...

Re:No duh? (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045638)

To make at least some of those users ITMS users.

Re:No duh? (3, Informative)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045734)

Makes you wonder why they purchased it in the first place...

To eliminate some of the competition. Anybody with any sense knew that when they bought them. They only kept them running this long for two reasons. One, to try and migrate some of the users to Itunes. Two, to see if there was anything that Lala did that they wanted to implement in Itunes.

Oblig. Grammar Nazi (0, Offtopic)

essjaytee (141772) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045020)

It's? Really?

Re:Oblig. Grammar Nazi (1, Funny)

ojintoad (1310811) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045052)

Yeah, I was distressd about that.

Re:Oblig. Grammar Nazi (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045584)

Yeah, I lost my hair too.

Re:Oblig. Grammar Nazi (1, Funny)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045168)

Don't worry, someone at /. will go back and change it. Post first, then let the users do the editing....

Re:Oblig. Grammar Nazi (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045170)

That is the correct usage

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Re:Oblig. Grammar Nazi (3, Funny)

celibate for life (1639541) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045244)

Mod parent up.
This is getting out of hand.

Re:Oblig. Grammar Nazi (0, Offtopic)

mrpiddly (1568401) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045356)

Grammar errors are less distressing than blatantly subjective writing.

It's far worse than that.. (0)

gsslay (807818) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045462)

You missed the other distressing case of apostrophe abuse at "user's account". That is unless there really is only one user, and only one account.

Apple responds to complaints... (5, Funny)

ojintoad (1310811) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045028)

Steve jobs sticks his fingers in his ears.. "LALALALALALALALALALA"

I Recall That Acquisition Ceremony (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045030)

There was a bit of a storm forming as it started and the wind picked up when Steve Jobs took the stage. The CEO of Lala looked very nervous. Heat lightning started arcing through the clouds as Steve finished his speech. Then he gestured to the Lala CEO who obediently got down on his knees. Steve drew a giant claymore from behind the podium and said very loudly as the storm climaxed, "There can be only one." And lopped off the head of Lala's CEO. Steve stood there shaking with ferver and excitement as user after user account was transferred to iTunes Music Service, rendering him many millions more in revenue. While particularly gruesome, heartless and violent to the eyes of women and children in the crowd, in the business world it's a perfectly natural cycle.

Re:I Recall That Acquisition Ceremony (2)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045178)

I wish there was a way to metamoderate funny.

Re:I Recall That Acquisition Ceremony (3, Insightful)

Princeofcups (150855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045236)

Or maybe it's just that their business model didn't work. Everyone's favorite companies are those that are giving free services and running at a loss, and then they complain when they turn to advertising, subscriptions, or just go belly up. iTunes is a sustainable business model, and Lala is not. Deal with it.

You Have No Clue About Lala, Do You? (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045564)

Or maybe it's just that their business model didn't work.

Bizarre that Apple would front cash money for a failing operation. It would probably have been a bit smarter to simply let them fall flat on their face instead of spending so much cash, right?

Everyone's favorite companies are those that are giving free services and running at a loss, and then they complain when they turn to advertising, subscriptions, or just go belly up. iTunes is a sustainable business model, and Lala is not. Deal with it.

What the hell are you talking about? On Lala, you could pay 10 cents per song to stream it as much as you want, or $.99-1.29 to own it outright. And that was not sustainable? They simply offered more options than Apple, they didn't give songs away. Where are you getting your information ... ?

Re:You Have No Clue About Lala, Do You? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045692)

Buying and shutting down competitors is incredibly common, even if the competitor is losing money it can still make good business sense.
You do it if they have some IP you want (a patent, for example), or if you're afraid they will set a poor legal precedent that will hurt you (Google buying Youtube), or if you just want their customer list.

Lala's streaming part of their business model may have had problems with paying for streaming rights - internet radio stations have to pay for rights each time you stream something, and the rates are a lot higher if you get to request what it is that is being streamed, and the rates aren't fixed forever. So if you offer someone a fixed-cost unlimited option, eventually you may lose money on it, depending on user behavior and future licensing price increases. I haven't seen details on this particular service, but basically a monthly fee or ad-supported business model could probably live longer because you get ongoing revenue to go along with your ongoing cost.

Re:You Have No Clue About Lala, Do You? (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045704)

Those paying LaLa user accounts are pry worth at least 200 bucks a year with iTunes and really where are they going to go now?

Re:I Recall That Acquisition Ceremony (0)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045614)

Apple was sure smart, buying a business model that was doomed to fail...

Re:I Recall That Acquisition Ceremony (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045650)

That makes no sense.

On the contrary, Lala was doing so great that Apple had to buy it in December for $80 million just so it could shut it off and kill the competition.

Re:I Recall That Acquisition Ceremony (1)

Seekerofknowledge (134616) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045450)

Thank you for this truly entertaining post.

So... (1)

esaulgd (1754886) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045034)

What prevents anyone from starting a new service to fill the void?

Re:So... (1)

ryantmer (1748734) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045658)

Presumably, the same things that keep our cars from flying: time and money.

Brought to you by Megacorp. (1)

ground.zero.612 (1563557) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045056)

I just wanted to thank each and every Apple fanboi for supporting this company by overpaying on standard PC parts for YEARS. You gave them the power, are you really surprised that they are willing to abuse it?

Cue the iTune apologists rant in 3...2...1...

Re:Brought to you by Megacorp. (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045184)

I just wanted to thank each and every Apple fanboi for supporting this company by overpaying on standard PC parts for YEARS.

Hey man, get with the program - it hasn't been standard PC parts ... they've got a certain je-ne-sais-quoi embedded in each apple branded piece of hardware that gives it crazy-high resale value. (Although other than that, spot on... depending on your definition of standard PC parts - PowerPC?).

Re:Brought to you by Megacorp. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045274)

It's too bad you have such a distaste for the free market, but you have options. Take a look at the large number of Communist and Socialist nations you could emigrate to.

And what if... (1)

Antony-Kyre (807195) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045098)

someone doesn't want the remaining balance transferred to iTunes? Can they get a cash refund? (I don't use Lala.)

Re:And what if... (4, Informative)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045122)

A request for a refund check to Lala must be made prior to May 31, 2010 for a refund.

Re:And what if... (1)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045636)

You can request a refund check for any unspent money in your account, but you still get an iTunes credit for the web-only songs you purchased... which doesn't help you much if you don't do iTunes.

3 E's (4, Insightful)

Slash.Poop (1088395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045134)

Embrace
Extend
Extinguish

Re:3 E's (2, Insightful)

Super_Z (756391) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045208)

Actually, Lala extingushed themselves due to a business model that did not include a "profit" part. But why be rational when you can bash Apple for picking up the pieces?

Re:3 E's (4, Insightful)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045700)

Then why has Apple spend $80 million to buy it just so it could kill it three months later?

Apple is always more innovative. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045228)

Apple has always been more innovative than Microsoft. Their desktop OS has been years ahead of Windows for most of the past decade, and now their malicious business approach is beginning to surpass that of Microsoft's.

Re:3 E's (4, Insightful)

gclef (96311) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045238)

And here Apple has shown once again that they're more efficient than Microsoft: they skipped step 2 entirely.

Re:3 E's (2, Funny)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045426)

By gum, you've sold me. (Throws Win7 PC in trash and goes looking for a cheap Mac.) Damn straight Apple is more efficient than Microsoft. Killed off the competition in mere MONTHS rather than years. ;-)

Re:3 E's (1)

Grand Facade (35180) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045602)

Eggsactly, If you can't sue the competition into oblivion, buy'em and shut them down.

Steam (1)

Bombcar (16057) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045146)

LaLa Hey Hey Kiss It Goodbye

What's the point? (1)

Mekkah (1651935) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045160)

Now I might be missing something, but what did they gain through this acquisition? Why buy a one of the many competitors.. I mean yes it was a great service but there are others out there as well... I just don't get Apples gain from this purchase in the first place... Having two services is pointless one had to go and I have a feeling iTunes is kinda bigger..

Oh and, "Damn the man, save the empire"

Re:What's the point? (2, Informative)

Luyseyal (3154) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045246)

Apple said they were most interested in Lala's billing software.

-l

Re:What's the point? (2, Insightful)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045250)

If I have a car company, and I buy your smaller car company, I can merge your product into mine and remove the competition, thereby increasing my profits.

Re:What's the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045272)

To kill of a competitor and to push users onto itunes? Same old method of large companies eating small ones to grow bigger.

Ah, the circle of corporations.

Re:What's the point? (2, Insightful)

Rogue974 (657982) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045312)

Yes, you are missing something. When you purchase a company, you get the assets, their Intellectual property (IP), employees (they can of course quit later), customers, etc. Apple can go and make ITunes better by using the IP they just acquired, or they can get the employees because they need more to work on their stuff and they like what LaLa did, they can continue to run 2 music stores and get the profit from both, or they can trash the one they bought and have a new customer base (customers are of course free to jump ship. Apple didn't seem interested in the tech, just the customer database. They have a bunch of new customers who had account credit with LaLa that is now ITunes credit. Some of the customers will request refunds, or spend it and jump ship, but a number of them will just accept it and start using ITunes.

Re:What's the point? (1)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045318)

Now I might be missing something, but what did they gain through this acquisition? Why buy a one of the many competitors.. I mean yes it was a great service but there are others out there as well... I just don't get Apples gain from this purchase in the first place...

By all accounts LaLa was one of the best services out there--perhaps one of the few that could give iTunes a real run for its money (indeed, everything I've heard says it was a better service than Apple's itunes).

That's now one less competitor Apple has to worry about...and it's not just any competitor they've wiped out, it's one of the better ones. Seems like a pretty wise (if sleazy) purchase to me.

Re:What's the point? (1)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045718)

Having two services is pointless one had to go and I have a feeling iTunes is kinda bigger..

Unless the two services target different markets.

iTunes is there to support iPods, iPhones, and iPads on on Mac or Windows computers.

Lala seemed to be working with any moderately recent browser, to allow online streaming of music and purchase of individual MP3 files.

iTunes may be bigger, but I don't fit into that market, since the required software doesn't run on my computer.

You should get a refund (5, Insightful)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045190)

You should get a refund of your money, not have it be transferred to iTunes.
What you agreed to pay for was Lala's service, not iTunes'.

Re:You should get a refund (3, Informative)

pdabbadabba (720526) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045444)

Apparently you can get a check if you request it by May 31.

Re:You should get a refund (1)

dunezone (899268) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045478)

You know that somewhere in the EULA is some sort of cause that allows Apple to transfer the Lala service to another comparable service.

Re:You should get a refund (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045736)

If you bought the songs before Apple's acquisition, there wasn't any such clause at the time.

Welcome to the real world (1)

wiredog (43288) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045550)

When CMP shut down Byte right after I renewed my subscription they didn't send me a check, or even offer me one.

Re:Welcome to the real world (1)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045710)

Yet they were entitled to refund you upon your request.

Re:You should get a refund (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045684)

What you agreed to pay for was Lala's service, not iTunes'.

I disagree. Suppose you buy a gift card to Joe's Stuff, which is later bought by Bob's Widgets and gets converted to fit in with the rest of the chain. Bob's announces that all the Joe's Stuff gift cards will now be honored at all Bob's locations. Would you really expect to get a cash refund on your gift card, even though it's still being honored at its full face value for comparable products?

You paid Lala for service. Now Apple is letting you use that money to pay them for the same service. I think that's perfectly reasonable.

distressd (1)

clarkn0va (807617) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045248)

What's this distressd, and what's this disturbing trend to daemonize all our emotions? [slashdot.org]

Steve jobs as borg (5, Interesting)

Twillerror (536681) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045298)

Can slashdot

a) create a Steve job version of the Bill Gates borg icon.
b) change the MS icon Ms instead of the Bill Gates borg icon.

I just think it's time.

Re:Steve jobs as borg (-1, Troll)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045666)

I just think it's time.

I agree. There's nothing more evil than buying an unprofitable company and breaking it up to make the pieces more useful than the sum. Shame on Apple. Oh wait...

New to assimilation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045712)

You're new to assimilation, aren't you?

Evil Empire (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045300)

Is it just me, or are the number of stories on /. that are about (apple doing something to piss people off) increasing every day?

rhapsody (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045302)

use rhapsody - as much music as you like for $10 / month. Now works on iphone and ipod

let me get this straight (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045316)

So if I have an account at lala already (they're not taking new accounts now), I can buy a bunch of web songs at 10 cents a piece, and in return I'll get full downloadable versions from iTunes next month?!? That's an absolute bargain! I'm off to go do some shopping.

Re:let me get this straight (1)

Eharley (214725) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045428)

Nope. Just checked, they are no longer selling web songs. So it's just $0.89 MP3s until 5/31.

Why does anyone use iTunes? (0)

macbeth66 (204889) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045342)

I just go to Amazon and download straight and clean mp3 files. Everyday, something good is on sale. I just pop them on my Sansa player, $50@Amazon, and go. I have multiple 8GB SD cards loaded up wiith different kinds of music. The other day, I let a friend use the card I was not using and he doesn't even have an mp3 player. Unless you count his laptop as an mp3 player! :)

Apart from the 'cool' factor, why do people use Apple's locked down crap?

Although, I gotta give ccredit where credit is due, I love that Apple is pissing at Flash. What a horrible piece of garbage that thing is.
 

Re:Why does anyone use iTunes? (5, Informative)

Reverberant (303566) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045376)

Apart from the 'cool' factor, why do people use Apple's locked down crap?

Apple hasn't sold DRMd music for a couple of years now.

Video through iTunes is still DRMd, but so is Amazon video.

Re:Why does anyone use iTunes? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045646)

Apple hasn't sold DRMd music for a couple of years now.

No, but they still want me to pay [a total of] $100 to get non-DRM versions of the music that I already bought and own...

Three reasons why people use iTunes (1)

pastafazou (648001) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045808)

1. iPod
2. iPhone
3. Windows Media Player

Evil? (4, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045368)

Reader Dhandforth adds: "10 cent favorites will now cost 9.9x more. What's worse, a community of music fans (followers and followees) will disappear on May 31. Evil. Sigh."

Evil? Evil?

You keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means.

Re:Evil?'There Is No Such Thing as Absolute Evil' (5, Interesting)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045706)

(Interview with Notorious Lawyer Jacques Vergès).
'There Is No Such Thing as Absolute Evil'
He has met Mao Zedong, Pol Pot and Che Guevara. He defended 'Carlos the Jackal' and Nazi war criminal Klaus Barbie. Jacques Vergès, 83, is probably the world's most notorious attorney. His latest client is Khieu Samphan, the former head of state of Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, who is on trial for war crimes.

SPIEGEL: Mr. Vergès, are you attracted to evil?

Jacques Vergès: Nature is wild, unpredictable and senselessly gruesome. What distinguishes human beings from animals is the ability to speak on behalf of evil. Crime is a symbol of our freedom.

SPIEGEL: That's a cynical worldview.

Vergès: A realistic one.

SPIEGEL: You have defended some of the worst mass murderers in recent history, and you have been called the "devil's advocate." Why do you feel so drawn to clients like Carlos and Klaus Barbie?

Vergès: I believe that everyone, no matter what he may have done, has the right to a fair trial. The public is always quick to assign the label of "monster." But monsters do not exist, just as there is no such thing as absolute evil. My clients are human beings, people with two eyes, two hands, a gender and emotions. That's what makes them so sinister.

SPIEGEL: What do you mean?

Vergès: What was so shocking about Hitler the "monster" was that he loved his dog so much and kissed the hands of his secretaries -- as we know from the literature of the Third Reich and the film "Der Untergang" ("Downfall"). The interesting thing about my clients is discovering what brings them to do these horrific things. My ambition is to illuminate the path that led them to commit these acts. A good trial is like a Shakespeare play, a work of art.

SPIEGEL: Are there any people whose defense you would not take on out of principle?

Vergès: One of my principles is to have no principles. That's why I would not turn down anyone.

SPIEGEL: Let's say, Adolf Hitler...

Vergès: I would have defended Hitler. I would also accept Osama bin Laden as a client, even (US President) George W. Bush -- as long as he pleads guilty.

SPIEGEL: You can't seriously be mentioning Hitler, Bin Laden and Bush, and their failings, in the same breath.

Vergès: Every crime is unique, and so is every criminal. That alone makes such comparisons impossible.

It seems to me this is blatent monopolistic bs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045416)

The kind the government was supposed to be protecting us from .. like standard oil, the early railroads, carnegie steel and coal, etc.

Since they can't be bothered protecting our boarders, the environment or the financial health of the country, why should we expect them to protect us from monopolies, either?

I guesS it's gonna take a revolution ..

iPhonies Rejoice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045466)

Victory for Father Steve! Hail Father!

a typical way to beat your competition (2, Informative)

darkeye (199616) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045476)

buy it while you can afford to, and then dismantle it..

Just because I'm bitter (1)

McBeer (714119) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045488)

I requested a refund check in the mail instead of a iTunes credit for the 20 cents left in my wallet... If only I could get a refund for my hundreds of web songs :(

Your criteria are lacking. (2, Interesting)

catmistake (814204) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045504)

Lala was a much better music service, offering songs in straight MP3 format.

If the format is your sole criteria, then you have made a grave mistake. If you meant DRM-free, then you should have said that, but all of the formats Apple offers through iTunes are technically superior to mp3. And the DRM is not tied to the format, meaning, I use the formats Apple uses, but I don't use DRM. And my music library just sounds better than your mp3 library.

The real reason it's bad that Lala is going away is that variety and competition is good, less variety and competition is not as good.

MP3 (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045530)

> Lala was a much better music service, offering songs in straight MP3 format

Are you calling AAC homosexual?

Lala is dead. Long live Lala. (1)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045548)

Chances are the technology will resurface in a web-based iTunes client one day soon. What are the dates for WWDC again?

Apple still not evil .... (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045568)

despite all the sour stunts they pulled just in the last week (nearing 5 in number), and eclipsing microsoft in regard to evilish behavior per week rating, apple still cant be evil.

because it just cant.

if a friend of any of us behaved like apple, i wonder how many of us would keep him/her around them ...

Thanks Apple (4, Interesting)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045586)

The whole reason I was using Lala was because my computers (Linux) don't seem to work with iTunes.

Replacing my purchased web songs with an iTunes credit that I can't use doesn't really help me out.

I straight up won't touch iTunes (2)

George_Ou (849225) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045708)

It's the absolute worse bloat/security nightmare.

Zune Pass here I come (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045598)

So sad, I love LALA. Tuesdays were filled with random new albums. I'm guessing my next best option is to go with zune monthly pass. Nice job on pushing me towards your competition Apple.

Goodbye lala - I'm shutting down my account (1)

George_Ou (849225) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045690)

this sucks.

Now I have to download free illegal copies. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32045722)

The best part of LaLa was the ability to listen to music once to decide if it was worth purchasing. Sure other places provide samples or a song or two, but having a centralized location to listen to the album being reviewed on pitchfork or anywhere else that included the LaLa link was a great feature. Perhaps Apple intends to still provide such a service to be used as direct advertising to Itunes. Not a bad strategy at all.

Or... (0)

zonker (1158) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045750)

Or maybe Apple is planning to do something interesting with their acquisition. Naaaahhhh. Let's just moan and hate.

Straight MP3? (1)

kindbud (90044) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045754)

As opposed to "crooked" AAC with better aural quality at lower bitrates, and no DRM? You know AAC is the modern industry standard for audio encoding, don't you? There's nothing about AAC audio files on iTunes that is any more or less encumbered than MP3 audio files from Lala.

Get a grip.

Get your cash out by check (1)

cartercole (1611091) | more than 4 years ago | (#32045784)

i started using this service after it was included in Google SERPS... billboard music also had integration with it... i payed in like 20$ and still had a balance on my wallet. its a very small option in the legal terms but you can request a check for your refund... i really dont care for apple store and thats why i was using lala in the first place... i could feel this happening when they aquired the company a couple months ago apparently they just wrote enough code to kick everyone off
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