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US Says 4.3 Billion People Live With Bad IP Laws

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the shame-on-all-of-you dept.

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bowser100 writes "The US government has released its annual Special 301 report (PDF) in which it purports to identify those countries with inadequate intellectual property laws. Michael Geist digs into the report, noting the list is so large that it is rendered meaningless. According to the report, approximately 4.3 billion people live in countries without effective intellectual property protection. Since the report does not include any African countries outside of North Africa, the US is effectively saying that only a small percentage of the world meets its standard for IP protection."

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Democracy (5, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047536)

309 million people in the US

compared to

"without effective intellectual property protection":
4 300 million people in the other countries around the world

If USA is the country that promotes democracy, doesn't this thing kind of say that the rest of the world does not want US IP and patent laws dictated to the them, and that US should respect it? Just like real democracy.

It looks like ~87% of people in the world doesn't like or want ACTA. Why does US push it to other countries, and why is it done with so secret methods?

While my country also does have good copyright laws, I don't want US to dictate us.

Re:Democracy (5, Insightful)

nicolas.kassis (875270) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047616)

You are assuming that those 309 million approve, which is not the case.

Re:Democracy (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047872)

maybe they're trying to imply that 4.3 billion live in the us, and thus live with bad IP laws?

Re:Democracy (5, Insightful)

pleappleappleap (1182301) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048046)

Manifest destiny might imply that *everyone* lives in the U.S., but they don't know it yet.

Re:Democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32048086)

Manifest destiny might imply that *everyone* lives in the U.S., but they don't know it yet.

too true to be funny

Re:Democracy (1)

Hojima (1228978) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048172)

When I saw the headline I couldn't help but laugh. I can just picture some fat-asses from the MAFIAA riding around in their limousines and rolling down their windows in poverty-stricken neighborhoods and preaching about how they need to saddle up on these new laws. Then some local would just say "sure, right after I decide which of my 12 children don't starve to death you imperialistic fuck."

Re:Democracy (2, Insightful)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048428)

I wonder what makes the US intellectual property laws superior.

The only thing that seems to drive them are money - but that doesn't make them superior. In my opinion they have passed over from promoting progress to inhibiting progress. It's something like the air/fuel mixture needed to make a car engine run well - too little or too much are both limiting the performance and the speed.

Today the innovation in the US is limited by the patent trolls and copyright panic.

why is parent modded down ? (2, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047684)

i really would like to read a sensible answer to this.

Re:why is parent modded down ? (2, Informative)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047854)

It wasn't, it just started at -1 because sopssa was repeatedly modded into oblivion [slashdot.org] in a discussion about Google. And from what I can tell from the content of the comments, unjustifiably so.

Re:why is parent modded down ? (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047914)

doh

Re:why is parent modded down ? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32048118)

I've modded sopssa down before, but this isn't right. It looks like someone has a vendetta - even the valid points are down-modded.

Posted anon since I know I'm off topic.

Re:Democracy (1)

spottedkangaroo (451692) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047932)

"why why why why why why"

money

Re:Democracy (1)

Beer Drunk (1059846) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047978)

In America, the votes that really count are whoever has the most lobbyists with the biggest bags of money. We common citizens just can't afford to by a bunch of congresspeople like the media giants.

Bad IP laws (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048012)

What?!! 4.3 billion people live in USA, UK and France?

Re:Democracy (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32048032)

If USA is the country that promotes democracy, doesn't this thing kind of say that the rest of the world does not want US IP and patent laws dictated to the them, and that US should respect it? Just like real democracy.

No, for the US, "IP" is the new Colonialism.

The old forms of Colonialism don't work any more, so the USA is trying to make sure the rest of the world is beholden to them.

There are times, when I can't help but conclude that the US is, in fact, rather quite evil and insidious. They only promote democracy if the resulting government will play by their rules. If a democracy decided to tell the US to fuck off, the US would start trying to cause a "regime change".

I don't blame individual Americans for this -- but, US foreign policy sucks. It's largely about protecting American corporate and oil interests.

Re:Democracy (2, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048104)

Just like most Americans don't want the "Health Care" that was just passed?

Any minority trying to impose its will on the majority through elitism (we're right/you're wrong, we know better than you) is just as flawed as any other.

Both (D) and (R) are guilty of this, and are hypocritical.

Re:Democracy (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048140)

1 - The US is NOT a democracy.. Its a Representative Republic. There is a big difference.

2 - I agree no one should push their ways of life ( or business ) on another sovereign country.. We need to start with disbanding the WTO.

Re:Democracy (4, Insightful)

charlesr44403 (1504587) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048388)

The idea that the USA is a republic rather than a democracy is a recent manipulation of language. It is a representative democracy with the legal form of a republic. That was a settled fact until maybe 15 years ago, when the "not a democracy" slogan started to spread.

Re:Democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32048348)

Do you think the US is pushing ACTA? Really? What benefit is there for the US? The benefit is for Corporations, and it is not US corporations, its multinational corporations. The US is not pushing for ACTA, Sony, DIsney, etc are pushing for ACTA. The US is not saying only they have adequate IP laws, the corporations are saying on the US ha laws friendly to their business models and they want the rest of the world to fall in step and adopt similar measures. The US itself doesn't give a flying fuck about the IP laws elsewhere. Hell, the citizenry of the US does not give a flying fuck about eh IP laws here, which is why we have such corporate friendly IP laws to begin with. You want the blame, its not here, its the multinationals, and fewer of those every year are US-based. I know its fashionable to bash the US, but this one is squarely on the shoulders of corporate interest. Most of those are oversees. The only thing we are guilty of is having caved earlier than the rest of the world.

Re:Democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32048374)

If USA is the country that promotes democracy, doesn't this thing kind of say that the rest of the world does not want US IP and patent laws dictated to the them, and that US should respect it? Why does US push it to other countries, and why is it done with so secret methods?

They hate us for our Freedom.

lucky them! (4, Insightful)

godrik (1287354) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047554)

ground breaking news, 4.3 billion people with IP laws the US don't like.

In other news (2, Informative)

butterflysrage (1066514) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047596)

When you exclude most of Africa and the US you have... about 4.3 billion people.

Re:In other news (0, Offtopic)

vxice (1690200) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048050)

In further other news only sitting head of state charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity by the international criminal court gets reelected which seems to concern no one. But this whole IP thing is more important anyways. http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/04/201042612282143933.html [aljazeera.net]

Re:lucky them! (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048060)

The U.S. likes those laws. The U.S. government does not.

Fuck 4.3 billion people. (1)

Chas (5144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048080)

There's 300+ million people HERE IN THE USE living with crappy IP laws!
We need to fix our problems at home first!
Then some jackass stuffed-shirt can try to tell everyone else how bad they are.
Followed shortly by them telling him to eat a dick.

In other news (4, Insightful)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048322)

All residents of the US are living with bad IP laws [wikipedia.org] .

Where is the evidence? (4, Interesting)

drDugan (219551) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047592)

I have yet to see anyone present objective evidence that the existence of copyright, either in its current term/form the US/WIPO/ACTA is pushing, (or at all) helps the economy in the countries in question compared to other systems or models.

Obviously there are significant businesses that thrive now and could only exist with strong copyright protections. Entertainment, media creation, information aggregators and sellers - all require strong copyright to exist. Without these protections they would be hurt, somewhat, and some would go away.

There is incredible interest and energy in people to consume, remix, and to create, even with the existing, extremely long copyright term, and the vast majority of media under strict copyright protections. Would we see dramatic new businesses and opportunities arise if copyright were less stringent or not? Would these new markets and activities be better for economies than the loss of existing industries or not?

What evidence supports the belief that having these companies and these particular industries are what is best for a countries' economy, and for the people whose lives and livelihoods these laws effect? If copyright protections were opt-in for example, but the default were similar to a CC/BY for created content, what new industries would rise up and create value? Would they create more value than would be lost? I don't know of any evidence that can address that question. What if copyright protections were 14 years again, with the ability for owners to pay or re-apply for extensions? That would clear create value in new areas, but would it be better than the current system?

If anyone has pointers to evidence either way, I'd love to see it.

Re:Where is the evidence? (5, Insightful)

Bralkein (685733) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047754)

I have yet to see anyone present objective evidence that the existence of copyright, either in its current term/form the US/WIPO/ACTA is pushing, (or at all) helps the economy in the countries in question compared to other systems or models.

Well that's because it's not about helping the countries in question, it's about helping the US. The US produces a lot of IP, so from a US perspective good IP laws are those which result in a lot of money being paid to US companies. It's fair enough if you ask me, since the US government is just looking out for its own interests, which I guess is pretty much what it's supposed to do. On the other hand, the governments of other countries might be doing their job best if they tell the US to go to hell.

Re:Where is the evidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32047934)

Even the US would do better without those laws.

Re:Where is the evidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32048010)

The US people would, the US as a whole would but those who pay the lobbyists wouldn't.

Re:Where is the evidence? (2, Insightful)

harrytuttle777 (1720146) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047998)

It is not the people of the U.S. It is the corporate media industrial complex that wants these laws. The people of the U.S. don't want them either.

If we only had a form of government that listened to the people and respected it's wishes. I wonder what we could call it.

Re:Where is the evidence? (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048030)

Well that's because it's not about helping the countries in question, it's about helping Lobby Interests in the US.
Fixed.

Re:Where is the evidence? (1)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048194)

In the US the Big Corporations control the Government so its much the same thing. Lobbyists are just the grease between those Corporations and the people they put in office :P

Re:Where is the evidence? (1)

LoyalOpposition (168041) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048072)

I agree wholeheartedly. I have been giving this a lot of thought, and here are the things I would like to see happen. 1) Patent: Monopoly reduced to two years. Honestly, after two years you have probably made your investment back, and even if you haven't, market share and brand loyalty have given you a lock on the market. Monopoly weakened to things that can't be reversed engineered. The original idea of patent was that the guilds would no longer keep the secret of making stuff to themselves. Really, if the thing itself tells you how to make it, it was never in danger of being held secret by the guilds in the first place. Ditto, if someone else figures out how to invent it separately. 2) Trademark: monopoly limited to non-descriptive names, regardless of whether they use non-standard spelling. Apple brand computers would make the cut unless someone can figure out how to make computers out of apples. Redee-To-Serv biscuits wouldn't. 3) Copyright: monopoly limited to two years, and current contact information has to appear on the tangible medium. If someone makes a reasonable effort to contact the copyright holder without response, then they are free to make copies. The reasoning here is similar to the reasoning for patent. Oh, and this goes for copies only. In other words, no one could be sued or forced to pay royalties just because they made a documentary about Jazz that included some snippets. Also, all monopolies would expire after two years. For example, if Disney comes out with a singing, dancing mouse such that similar singing, dancing meeces are protected, then in ten years when Disney comes out with singing, dancing mouse II, electric boogaloo, it's instantly unprotected. Alternatively, similar expressions could be unmonopolied such that the week after Paramount makes Indiana Jones I can release Indiana Jones: A New Hope. But ten in five years when Paramount releases Indiana Jones vs. Adolf Hitler, no one else can copy that for two years. Oh, and singing "Happy Birthday to You" at the Crab Shack isn't making a copy. It's performing, for crying in your beer. 4) Trade Secret: Monopoly eliminated entirely.

~Loyal

Re:Where is the evidence? (3, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048116)

There's plenty of historical evidence that copyright laws of the kind created by the Statute of Anne and the copyright clause of the US Constitution aided both the economy and (more importantly, I think) the exchange of ideas within their jurisdictions. The UK experienced a veritable boom in publishing after Anne (the dawn of the modern novel and journalism as we know it). Both statutes were author-friendly (rather than publisher-friendly), and didn't significantly restrict the development of the public domain as copyrights expired fairly promptly. It's only with the imposition of absurdly long copyright terms (even just Berne-plus, let alone DMCA and ACTA level) that we've seen the diminishing economic returns, and ballooning restrictions on public freedom. Worse, copyright law as we know it today is much like Prohibition: it's turned too many people into casual criminals, to the point that they question the very real, demonstrable value of copyright altogether.

Are you sure? (4, Insightful)

mangu (126918) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048312)

Entertainment, media creation, information aggregators and sellers - all require strong copyright to exist. Without these protections they would be hurt, somewhat, and some would go away.

Are you sure of that? I remember a time when one got a lot of entertainment from radio and television where the only way we paid was from buying the items they advertised in the programs.

The greatest enemy the media industry faces today is their own greed. They have forgotten the main principle of the capitalist market economy: "KEEP THE CUSTOMER SATISFIED". They have replaced it with one they borrowed from the socialist world: "ACCORDING TO OUR PLANS, WE SHOULD GET THIS MUCH PROFIT"

The very simple fact is that the market has rejected business plans that say people should pay $0.99 for a song, or $17 for a CD, or $15 for a DVD.

Entertainment should be cheaper, much cheaper. I would be dead in a short while without oxygen, or water, or food. But I can subsist much longer without entertainment. With no pressing need, I'm not willing to pay too much for it.

Bring me the $0.10 song, the $1.00 CD or the $1.50 DVD and I'll readily buy them. At higher prices, I will not buy *anything* from the media industry.

Re:Where is the evidence? (1)

Znork (31774) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048372)

I have yet to see anyone present objective evidence that the existence of copyright ... helps the economy

You're not going to see that. To obtain such scientific objective evidence would require a certain level of intellectual honesty and rigour, and any intellectually honest assessment of IPR from a macroeconomic perspective would equate it with any other taxation/benefit system and analyse it compared to other such systems. IPR isn't magic, it takes money from one place in the economy and hands it out elsewhere, ie, a tax-benefit transfer system.

So the statement is fundamentally equivalent to: "I have yet to see anyone present objective evidence that the existence of taxes ... helps the economy".

But at least that has quite a bit more analysis and various schools of thoughts. Of course, copyright and patent lobbyists aren't interested in such analysis as that'd cost them large parts of the US political caste, with it's distaste for taxes, as well.

overstated. (1)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047594)

It's more like 309,166,000.

hidden assumption (5, Insightful)

spazdor (902907) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047600)

"without effective intellectual property protection" != "Bad IP laws"

Just sayin'.

IP Limit (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32047602)

Luckily the IP limit is right around 4.3 billion. Just wait until IPv6. Wait, I think I misunderstood...

there is a map which shows the reason (1)

kubitus (927806) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047614)

I will try to bring the URL to slashdot

In other news (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32047622)

A large group of countries consisting of ~4.3 billion people have released a report saying at least 300 million people are living under draconian IP laws.

Does this include... (5, Insightful)

Cowclops (630818) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047626)

Does this study include the 300 million in the US living with bad IP laws? Over restrictive is just as bad as not restrictive enough. The fact that a big company can get a $2 million dollar judgment against somebody for non-commercially (and possibly inadvertently) sharing mere tens of song tracks on a file sharing service MIGHT be a sign that our own system is just as screwed up as the systems with no copyright protection at all.

We are not trending towards a happy medium, at least not if Disney and the RIAA have anything to say about it.

Irony! (2, Funny)

kurokame (1764228) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047628)

This is actually irony for once, right? Because somehow they forgot to count the 300 million people in the United States who live with bad IP laws.

America! (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047642)

Fuck yeah!

Spelling correction (1)

HannethCom (585323) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047758)

Wasn't "yeah!" supposed to be "you!"

Re:Spelling correction (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047786)

Nosiritwassarcasm.

Can'tstop,thegovernmentisaftermybad"ip".

Godspeedtoyousir.

Well, (1)

nightfire-unique (253895) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047666)

For a sufficiently wrong definition of "bad," I guess they're right.

Re:Well, (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048308)

No, they're right. In this age of the internet, we in the rest of the world have to live with their idea of "property" in which a multinational PR shell with enough lawyers can literally own your thoughts.

Which is to say (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047676)

"...the US is effectively saying that only a small percentage of the world meets its standard for IP protection."

It's standard for IP protection being: It's *our* IP. All of it. Give us all your money and control over your country or we'll drop bombs on you. Now go away or we shall taunt you a second time.

Re:Which is to say (1)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047826)

Now go away or we shall bomb you a second time.

FTFY.

Re:Which is to say (2, Funny)

killmenow (184444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047890)

I just re-read my post and realized I fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never use an apostrophe in the possessive "its" when death is on the line!

You know.... (5, Insightful)

CapnStank (1283176) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047710)

You know, there's a point where you have to step back and realize that you're a minority (by a long shot) and when you are on your own little unique land its *typically* not everyone else that's wrong.

Re:You know.... (2, Insightful)

d34dluk3 (1659991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047970)

You clearly have no experience with the US government.

Re:You know.... (1)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048132)

While the US government will continue waving a big stick at IP backwater countries (/sarcasm) and trying to shoehorn IP laws in during treaty and other negotiations, at least they're not stupid enough to bomb and invade countries over this.

Send soldiers to fight and die to protect Hollywood and recording studios? You'd need 100x more Reality Distortion Field than even Steve Jobs has to spin that one.

Re:You know.... (-1, Troll)

CyprusBlue113 (1294000) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048062)

Actually that is a common belief in the U.S. right now, that the minority group is the one who should control all the laws and speak for "the people". It's not working so well for them either at the moment, but that doesn't mean they shut up and stop trying.

Re:You know.... (2, Insightful)

ircmaxell (1117387) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048102)

It's a pure example of Occam's Razor... The simplest solution is usually the correct one. So which is simpler, that 300M are right, and 4.3B are wrong? Or the 300M are right? Hrm...

Preposition 1: IP needs protecting
Preposition 2: We have the strongest IP laws
Conclusion: We protect IP the best

Is the same as:

Preposition 1: We need to reduce crime
Preposition 2: {insert race here} is arrested 3 times as much as any other race
Conclusion: We need to target {insert race here} to reduce crime

Both prepositions are technically correct, but the conclusion is flawed... Why? Because they are combined in a way that ignores their construction. People (Especially politicians) have no problem seeing why the second example is wrong. Yet most have a major problem seeing why the first is wrong...

Re:You know.... (2, Insightful)

svtdragon (917476) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048122)

While I agree on principle, there is a problem with this point:

The entire developed world (G8ish, or G20 excluding India and China, for the sake of argument) is in a minority compared to the undeveloped world. This does not imply that the developed world should move backward.

That said, within the developed world, US laws have rarely conformed to what the rest of the world has deemed sensible, and when they have, they've been on a several decade time lag in most cases (e.g., universal healthcare, gay rights, social safety net).

Re:You know.... (2, Insightful)

fishexe (168879) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048130)

You know, there's a point where you have to step back and realize that you're a minority (by a long shot) and when you are on your own little unique land its *typically* not everyone else that's wrong.

Well, when we were the only country on Earth with a binding written constitution, I'm pretty sure it was everyone else that was wrong. Not that that applies to this situation; in this situation I'm pretty sure the US is wrong, but I wouldn't follow your logic to reach that conclusion.

What? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32047712)

inadequate intellectual property laws

What trully is inadequate is thinking that "intellectual" entities can be "property"... That's the source of all problems... Period.

Re:What? (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048022)

inadequate intellectual property laws

What trully is inadequate is thinking that "intellectual" entities can be "property"... That's the source of all problems... Period.

Perhaps it is equally inadequate to think that "land" (or for that matter anything at all) can be "property". Early man certainly had little notion of the concept. Unfortunately "property" and the concept of "ownership" in general is one of the things that makes the modern civilization with it's "free market economy" work. If somebody is smart and talented enough to come up with some idea why shouldn't that idea/IP be a "tradable commodity", "property" like most everything else in a "free market economy" ?? Why should you get to enjoy that IP without compensating the inventor who probably poured a lot of his money into coming up with his idea and perfecting it? Claiming to own IP is no more or less stupid than claiming to own pretty much anything else.

See those rocks? Been standing there for 600 million years. Still be there when you and I are gone. So arguing over who owns them is like two fleas arguing over who owns the dog they live on.

  -- Crocodile Dundee

Sounds like... (1)

thewiz (24994) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047714)

the corporate "persons" are speaking through their mouthpiece, the government.
Let others decide for themselves how they want to treat "intellectual property".

2 billion people are being screwed by the RIAA (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047732)

[...]

US? (1)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047742)

Was the US included in that list? If not, it should have been!

Really (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047750)

...only a small percentage of the world meets its standard for IP protection.

You say that as if you think that's a BAD thing!

wrong title? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32047788)

US Says 4.3 Billion People Live With Bad INlaws - fixed it.

Reality Check (3, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047794)

If you've got an economy built solely on Intellectual Property ownership, you're fuckin' DOOMED in the near future!

Re:Reality Check (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32048056)

This.

I don't know where people get off expecting the world to continue like it did twenty years ago forever.

change, adapt, or die.

Why is this bad? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32047816)

". . .the US is effectively saying that only a small percentage of the world meets its standard for IP protection."

This a great thing.

In fact, this lack of IP law needs to be expanded to the US.

No Tony It's Youse Not Us (1)

mindbrane (1548037) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047820)

as a canajen, i'd just like to say it's youse guys and your mafia strong arm ip laws that are bad, bad for business (yes, really), bad for mom & pop, and most of all bad for the children. think of the children.

when big government crawls in bed, drunk on power, with big business, and a big chunk of that big business is media, then the government has crossed a line that doesn't bear crossing. it has said to a big part of big business, "you control what gets out to the public and what the public sees and hears, and, so shape our culture; and we'll control the public with threats and prison terms if they don't pay for and restrict the use what you put to them as their own culture." and when you've crossed that line the consequences will be bloody.

The whole world lives with bad IP laws (1, Funny)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047822)

Either they are too lax (or laxly enforced) or they basically turn buyers into the modern equivalent to sharecroppers with regard to their property rights in the goods they buy. What we need is a global system that treats copyrighted goods like physical goods, and enforces the norms of physical goods on them. The government's only role should be to create enough artificial scarcity so that the goods can be sold.

yes (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047858)

some of those countries have no respect for the patented gene sequences found in species in their countries by western scientists

ip law is a way of saying that every thought and utterance is not the common good of mankind but is a monopoly that must be respected, and everyone must contribute cash because you were the first to register something many others probably thought of as well, or in a slightly different form. ip law is a farce. it reards distributors and entrenched corporate powers, definitely at the expense of artists and inventors (NOT in support of them). it overly legalizes and bureaucratizes with hefty intrusions into basic freedoms a byzantine scheme to compartmentalize a process which has been free for the vast majority of humankind's existence: the exchange of simple information

and its not even enforceable. no warchest in all the first world nations can adequately shore up the artificial patronage system ip law defenders imagine. nevermind that ip law doesn't even make economic sense, because with all that intrusive controlling, less is earned than simply letting information go wherever its wanted, and profitting off of ancillary revenue streams created by letting it all hang out instead

ip law is an absurd joke, and is not to be respected. it is your moral duty to ignore it or actively undermine or destroy it

Re:yes (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047956)

ip law is an absurd joke, and is not to be respected. it is your moral duty to ignore it or actively undermine or destroy it

Fuck yes. I wish I had some points to mod you up.

My corollary to your sig: (2, Interesting)

fishexe (168879) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048148)

Intellectual Property is intellectual theft.

Re:yes (1)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048210)

Why does the music industry protest so much? Metallica bitches like four school girls about their IP being ripped off, yet they just played 900 hours of their tunes into my Sirius satellite radio and I recorded, edited, and redistributed it. Thanks, you fuckheads! ;)

More importantly, the idea that this so-called "property" needs protection is downright alarming. Most of what Hollywood and the music industry shits out is pure garbage. In the whole of the US we should have banded together and purchased a single copy of Star Wars Ep 1 and shared it amongst ourselves. Protecting what is essentially 99% garbage stinks, IMO. Seriously, good luck with the enforcement, they're gonna need it. Because:

it is your moral duty to ignore it or actively undermine or destroy it

I'm on the case, Sir! I have about 160GB of iPod encoded movies and MP3 files for any device. Not one from a torrent. All from sneakernet. I visit family and friends, copy the goods, rip, mix, burn, redistribute. No one in my family pays for two of anything. We all share. Come and bust us copy-protection police! I double-dog dare you! Still waiting... Just as I thought... I'm still giving it away. No one can fuck with SneakerNet. NO ONE!

US vs the world? (3, Insightful)

GreatBunzinni (642500) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047868)

So in essence what the lobbyists are forcing the US government to claim is that the entire world is horribly wrong while only the US legal system, which they bought with their own hard-earned money, along with other jurisdictions which were bought out, are the only instances which may be seen as somewhat decent remotely fair.

Meanwhile, the world has enjoyed centuries of cultural and scientific progress and an amazing economic progress, all happening without this sort of totalitarian and draconian type of legislation which is profoundly anti-democratic. In fact, humanity saw great progress being achieved whenever someone found a way to facilitate the dissemination of cultural and educational works, whether by inventions such as writing and the printing press. The internet is the modern day's version of the printing press but can only be a modern day's revolution if the freedom to freely access copyrighted works without the copyright owner's authorization is acknowledged, respected and defended, something which these industry idiots are on a mission to undermine.

Why? (1)

noc007 (633443) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047874)

I am truly interested in the point of my tax money being spent on this. This just seems like a waste of money. We have better things to do with tax money than point fingers at other countries' IP Laws in how they don't compare to the "USA's totally awesome laws".

The only reason I can think of is to get businesses to setup shop over here than elsewhere. No company can take this report as being objective. This is just childish talk like a boy putting down another boy just to impress a girl; sure BoyA may claim that BoyB failed Math class where BoyA got an A, but that doesn't change the fact that BoyA failed Science class.

Seriously. Let's fix our shit first before calling out someone else's crap just to look good. There are more important things to spend tax money on than this foolishness. Plus, I don't think we have the best IP laws anyways.

did you link to that report without permission?! (1)

Fractal Dice (696349) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047908)

Is it legal to talk about the report? If I think about it too hard, who do I owe royalties to? Is there a patent pending on gathering statistics about IP yet?

What everyone forgets about copyright (2, Interesting)

JerryLove (1158461) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047936)

Copyright was not created back in the days of yore, nor enshrined in the constitution to protect / help the economy.

The express purpose for granting an artist exclusive copy right for a limited period was to encourage the production of more art. (the US constitution is pretty explicit, but so is centuries of common-law before that).

How / why am I having my tax dollar spent on this non-issue. I don't think we have a shortage of art looming, and if we do: I don't see that copyright laws in India are the problem.

Didn't you know? (2, Insightful)

fishexe (168879) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048250)

I don't think we have a shortage of art looming, and if we do: I don't see that copyright laws in India are the problem.

Didn't you know? Hollywood stopped making movies when China started bootlegging them. That's why Ghostbusters II and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade never got made. Not to mention Titanic, The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, or any Harry Potter movies.

Nice to live in country with "bad" IP laws (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32047944)

Bad IP laws for the US = good IP laws for people.

We should send them a copy of the law... (1)

Panaflex (13191) | more than 4 years ago | (#32047968)

That way they can use it for toilet paper.

Let me correct that for them (1)

tylersoze (789256) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048020)

In order words: "4.3 Billion People Live With *Good* IP Laws"

Canada (5, Funny)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048040)

"Canada
Canada will remain on the Priority Watch List in 2010. The United States looks forward to the government of Canada’s implementation of its previous commitments, recently reaffirmed in 2010, to improve IPR protection, and is encouraged by the high level of cooperation between the Canadian and United States governments on IPR matters. However, Canada has not completed the legislative reforms in the copyright area that are necessary to deliver on its commitments. The United States urges Canada to enact legislation in the near term to update its copyright laws and address the challenge of Internet piracy. Canada should fully implement the WIPO Internet Treaties, which Canada signed in 1997. Canada’s weak enforcement of intellectual property rights is also of concern, and the United States continues to encourage Canada to improve its IPR enforcement system to provide for deterrent sentences and stronger enforcement powers. In particular, border enforcement continues to be weak. The United States encourages Canada to provide its border officials with the authority to seize suspected infringing materials without the need for a court order. The United States will continue to follow Canada’s progress toward implementing an adequate and effective IPR protection and enforcement regime, including its progress on actions to address Internet piracy and improve border enforcement."

Ya. We'll get right on top of that.

Though I am pretty sure our Conservative government has bigger problems than your stupid IP laws.

Re:Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32048202)

I say it is high time we ditched selling oil to the United States and sell it to the Chicoms instead. Let them whine about their imaginary property in the cold and dark.

Re:Canada (2, Insightful)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048232)

Our border authority's efforts would be better spent preventing illegal guns from slipping across the border and into the hands of criminal gangs.

OTOH, it's easier and safer for them to "seize suspected infringing materials without the need for a court order."

Re:Canada (2, Insightful)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048298)

Well now, define important. To the US and its Corporate Entertainment controllers, the IP legislation issue is the most important thing. To the Conservatives, remaining in power after the corruption scandal that's currently hit the presses rolls on through their reputation, so that they can remain in power and Harper can continue to suck up to the USA is likely more important. Its always so embarrassing for Government when the corruption that everyone expects is going on daily actually gets exposed and everyone has to backpedal like mad. No, I don't think the Liberals would be any better to be honest. The NDP perhaps, but Jack Leighton? Seriously?

In the meantime though I hope the US Entertainment industry will stay the fuck out of my country. No one else wants the draconian legislation they are trying to shove down the world's throats it seems, but because the US is the biggest and nastiest dog in the scrapyard, everyone else is caving in. They don't want to get beaten up and they want their share of the bone, so everyone else seems to be Finlandizing sadly.

This just in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32048068)

This just in! The US has placed the entire world under arrest!

wait, what? (1)

Son of Byrne (1458629) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048094)

I thought that this article was going to argue the plight of the US citizens living under bad IP laws. I, as a US citizen, have to live with terrible IP laws and I frankly envy the 4.3 billion other folks who don't have to suffer under this injustice.

Define "bad" (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048096)

Your bad may be my good.

I'm the only sane person (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048126)

It is the rest of the world that is crazy!

Copyleft (1)

Sepiraph (1162995) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048138)

What about people like me who think the concept of copyright is flawed, and that copyleft should be a law instead. In that viewpoint, it is the USA who is breaking the 'law'.

Also any law in which the majority of the population is willfully breaking is not only useless, but also undemocratic and unjust. It weakens the authority of the legal system as a whole when you have these type of laws in effect.

A big bet (1)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048144)

Obama et al. are betting their whole economy on shaky imaginary property rights, this will sour on them, they will never be able to enforce their shaky dream on the rest of us, even if they have 100 times as much military.

Dream on big US business!

In other news... (1)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048146)

At least 309 million people live in countries with overly draconian intellectual property protection.

Maybe when we're done building Democracy... (1)

fishexe (168879) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048188)

...in Iraq and Afghanistan, we can invade those 4.3 billion people's countries and build them a decent IP system. Just imagine, we'll be greeted as liberators!

In other news. (3, Insightful)

aepervius (535155) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048216)

According to the report, approximately 4.3 billion people live in countries without effective intellectual property

In other news approx 2 billion people sighed that they have to live with insane copyright law dictated by a cartoon mouse and a few industrial, and wish they were living in democraty, where voting would matter, and the voice of the people (demos) would be heard. Sadly they will have to put up with the facist(*) geronto-ploutocraty they live in...



(*) (Fascist as the classic definition of "industry in collusion with authoritative governement")

Yay? (1)

deathspasm (227635) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048260)

pretty sure this should fall into the "is a good thing" category...

In Other News (4, Insightful)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 4 years ago | (#32048290)

80% of the world lives on less that $10 a day, 50% live on less than $2.50 a day [globalissues.org]
2.5 Billion people don't have access to good sanitation, and nearly a billion use unsafe drinking water [unicef.org] . But let's make sure they have good IP laws, yes? Something about 'eating cake' comes to mind while reading this article.

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