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HP Reportedly Cancels Plans for Windows 7 Tablet

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the changing-horses-in-the-middle-of-a-stream dept.

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A recent post up at TechCrunch claims that HP's "Slate" tablet has been canceled. Officials details for the tablet were limited, though a leaked internal presentation indicated it had an 8.9" screen, a 1.6GHz Atom processor, and ran on Windows 7. Some are now speculating that HP may experiment with porting WebOS to a similar device. Quoting: "Will WebOS emerge as a successful operating system for tablet devices? That seems very unlikely given the dominance of the closed Apple OS and the likely success of the open Android and Chrome operating systems from Google. To get traction from third-party developers with WebOS, HP will need to sell a lot of units. And it's not clear what they'd gain from all that effort, anyway. HP knows how to build and sell hardware, not operating systems."

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Who writes this crap? (5, Insightful)

davebarnes (158106) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063690)

"HP knows how to build and sell hardware, not operating systems."
MP/E and HP-UX are what? Chopped Liver?

Re:Who writes this crap? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063734)

they're penisbird niggers now STFU

Re:Who writes this crap? (-1, Troll)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063742)

Well... they arent very well known are they? So HP may know how to build the OSes, but sell them...

Id say the statement still holds true.

Re:Who writes this crap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063774)

OpenVMS was quite popular back in the day too. I think HP knows how to sell OSes just fine. They also made some decent handhelds back in the day.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064078)

HP is 2 steps removed (Compaq, DEC) from VMS.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064162)

you mean, back in the DEC then Compaq days ?

Re:Who writes this crap? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063804)

They aren't well-known, but HP-UX, Tru64 and MP/E run some of the most critical and important computer systems in the world.

Re:Who writes this crap? (2, Informative)

joeyblades (785896) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063892)

Well known by what standards? They are both a little dated, but they are well known by people who know OSes...

Re:Who writes this crap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063912)

Not well known because you don't use their high-end, mission critical, big ass systems

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065800)

If you haven't heard of HP-UX (pronounce it like you're coughing then spitting) you're a fucking grade A spaz.

Re:Who writes this crap? (2, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063760)

HPq traditionally has had great hard ward, but absolutely atrocious software. I have no idea why they are seemingly so incompetent with software, but it's true more often than it isn't. I remember even working with their medical devices back in the 90s. Just awful software, but bulletproof hardware (I don't know what it's like these days). But yeah, there are exceptions, but This one of the reasons I was leery of the slate. It looked interesting, but my gut feeling was that HP would screw it up.

Re:Who writes this crap? (2, Funny)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063780)

I see more buts than I did at spring break!

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063798)

LOL...not quite awake this morning, as you can also tell by the typos.

Re:Who writes this crap? (5, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063866)

For a portable device like this tablet if you start with an Intel Atom and add Windows 7 then performance will be poor, costs will be high, battery life will be short. The customer experience will be unsatisfactory because W7 isn't designed for tablet use and Microsoft won't let HP customize it sufficiently to make it useful.

So no, HP didn't screw this up - it was a dumb idea from the start. Its failure was built-in. But they had to show something to try and head off the iPad.

It looks like Dell [zdnet.com] started on the right foot.

Re:Who writes this crap? (2, Funny)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064046)

For a portable device like this tablet if you start with an Intel Atom and add Windows 7 then performance will be poor, costs will be high, battery life will be short. The customer experience will be unsatisfactory because W7 isn't designed for tablet use and Microsoft won't let HP customize it sufficiently to make it useful.

So no, HP didn't screw this up - it was a dumb idea from the start. Its failure was built-in. But they had to show something to try and head off the iPad.

But.. nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft!

Re:Who writes this crap? (2, Insightful)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064282)

I've been using my eee t91mt netbook/tablet convertable for months and I love it. I really see no point in a true tablet when for a marginal price increase you can have the best of both worlds in a convertible. Win 7 works just find in tablet mode, but there will always be times when the keyboard is useful.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065114)

Let me condition that a little bit. A year ago this thing would have rocked my world. There would have been four of them under my Christmas tree. I would have put Linux on them straight away, but I'd have bought them and stared wistfully at the Tegra2 slates, mourning my haste. But now? No.

Re:Who writes this crap? (2, Interesting)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065158)

Or maybe they realize that something like the Evo [gizmodo.com] 4G [phandroid.com] is an iPhone/iPad killer.

50% bigger screen than Apple's next-gen iPhone [androidcentral.com] that was leaked, (4.3"), and yet it's still a smartphone, Small enough to fit comfortably in one hand, unlike the iPad.

HDMI out, runs flash, works as a hotspot for up to 8 other devices, Yes, it even does pinch-to-zoom. And at 4.3", it's got 50% more surface area than the current iPhone (and the leaked iPhone's screen is even smaller).

A tablet's too big to just shove in your pocket or purse. The iPhone's screen is too small to really share. This is "just right". It's a tablet-killer. So maybe HP sees that the tablet market, after more than a decade of trying to take flight, is going to nosedive, and will come out with something Palm-ish in a 4.3" format?

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065598)

The EVO is definitely not an iPad killer.

Have you even used an iPad before?

Take this from someone who will be getting the EVO the day it's released but also has an iPad.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065164)

Actually W7 has a VERY nice touch interface, so that isn't the problem, the problem is Atom is a shitty embedded CPU and isn't really made to run a full OS. Hell working on XP based Atom machines here at the shop I was struck by how truly shitty the Atom CPU is, when my nearly decade old 1.3Ghz Celeron PC ran circles around the thing.

No, if someone wants to make a kick as touchscreen tablet with great performance and decent battery life I would suggest building it around the AMD Neo platform [apcmag.com] as it pairs an ULV Athlon based single or dual core CPU with a Radeon GPU to offload video acceleration to. I recently got to play with a Neo based netbook at the shop and frankly it is the first netbook that impressed the hell out of me. The OS, which was W7 HP, was smooth and responsive, video was great without flickering or stuttering, the unit never felt hot, it felt more like a "real" laptop in a netbook FF than one of those crippled Atom things.

If someone was to drop a Neo system into a tablet FF with a touchscreen and get it close to the Neo netbook I was playing with on price (around $400) I would snatch one up in a heartbeat. The Atom CPU is simply too underpowered, especially when using anything less than the ION GPU, to really be worthwhile in a tablet form. Hell it wouldn't even surprise me if Apple ends up going AMD since Intel has killed the Nvidia GPUs by cutting off their ability to make chipsets for the new sockets. In the ultra mobile space you really need a good GPU to have good performance while still being efficient, and the ATOM plus Intel GPU just don't cut the mustard, at least IMHO.

Re:Who writes this crap? (2, Interesting)

ZosX (517789) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063890)

There hardware slipped a lot in the 90s. I new a guy who started to work for them as an engineer and we talked about how their pcs at the time were utter sh*t. I don't expect much has changed as of late. They generally score pretty low in the reliability ratings. Yeah, this tablet had me about as excited as an enema. Compaq/HP laptops generally seem to do the worst, so what does that tell you. I know my Acer isn't far behind (and it is pretty crappy and cheap to be honest), but it still is running just fine. Anymore these days it seems like everything is made so cheaply in china with subpar surface mounting that I really don't expect hardly anything to last more than a year or two. A far cry from the 5-10 years you could eek out of 90s gear. I went through 3 mp3 players before I realized that they are all built so cheaply that they can't take any sort of abuse at all. My last sandisk fuze lasted me about 3 months before the surface mounts failed. Sure I dropped it about 3-4 times and even knocked the metal case off the back, but that sure doesn't say a lot about a device when it can't take a couple of 3-4 foot drops. My old powershot 590IS was a lot more sturdy than that, and it was a freaking plastic camera!

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064044)

Well, having owned their top-of-the-line "mobile workstation" (HP nw8240, administered by our school for Class of 2009) and some of their inkjet printers, I can sort of second these claims, at least for their consumer hardware.

When I owned it, I was pretty frustrated with the fact that their internals would give up so quickly (I think I had to exchange my motherboard after a year of use, and my screen soon afterward because a few yellow areas popped up on it). However, I suppose that this is standard operating procedure for most consumer laptops, as the hinge on my new Dell Latitude E6500 snapped off after three months and is now having intermittent trouble starting and have heard of weird problems plaguing MacBook/Pro owners.

I also remember owning a HP LaserJet 5, and that thing was dead solid. Worked forever...or at least until I tried experimenting with the toner and failed spectacularly. :-) I've also used old HP oscilloscopes for circuits lab experiments at school, and those things are tanks (and have been there for God knows how long, so they must have worked well since then). Their calculators were also great, though learning RPN to use them was not. :-)

I think the general problem is the demand for ever-decreasing prices on consumer hardware, which cheapens things all over the assembly process.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064266)

All this because we can't benchmark nor really demonstrate quality. We can benchmark features, we can benchmark speed. Ease of use, and trendiness can kinda be demonstrated, but quality is a very opaque characteristics.

If we knew beforehand that PC#1, at $500 will last 2 years, and PC#2, at $600, 3years, we'd probably go for #2. But we can't. It seems that these days, even historically higher-quality manufacturers (HP, Apple, Sony...), even for their enterprise or premium consumer products, are sacrificing quality to price/features/ads/design... Extended warranties are so expensive

I've ressorted to building my own desktops, and I'm having much fewer problems with them than with the usual Dell crap. Alas, mobile phones, laptops and tablets I can't build.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

kkwst2 (992504) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064958)

Well, I can say that workstations from the big boys may be even better made today than 10 years ago, but we're talking $3k to $6k computers. I've had recent Dell, Lenovo, and HP workstations and they're all very well put together. They're even pretty easy to access to add cards, RAM, drives, etc., which had not been a strength of Dell workstations in the past in particular (lots of strange cabling, plastic pieces you had to snap off and couldn't snap back on properly, sharp corners, etc.).

It isn't so hard to understand that when they're trying to assemble a reasonably performing PC for $500 that they're going to cut some corners to save a few bucks, is it? When you build your own computer, you're usually going to choose better components than you get in a commodity Dell. They have higher quality power and capacitors, which I think is where the cheap ones usually fail.

But with a little shopping, you can find a decent quad core desktop for $500. If it's not mission critical, how can you complain too much about that? If it goes out in a couple of years, replace it with a faster crappy $500 computer. It makes more sense than paying $1000 for one that will last twice as long, unless you can't tolerate the down time.

Re:Who writes this crap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064286)

Fortune 50 company with lots of employees who need computers - is it possible the computers are more for buying leverage than for profitability? As the high-water-mark, I generally look at what's available at Wal-Mart. Today, it's eMachines and HP for desktops, and assorted notebooks. If Wal-Mart is the very definition of "cheap crap from China" and HP sells desktops there, what do we logically conclude? Either Wal-Mart makes and exception to its rule, or HP desktops are cheap products. Or no other maufacturer was able to meet Wal-Mart's packaging or pricing demands of course, implying... I guess I'll leave a conclusion to the reader.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064712)

When HP first started making PCs, they were a solid and reliable as HP's computers always had been. They couldn't keep that up though, because once Dell and Gateway started that race to the bottom, all the margin got squeezed out, and it simply became infeasible for a company of HP's size to stay in business making more expensive, higher-quality hardware. HP's machines ran windows, and so did the screwdriver-shop shitboxes, and their performance was comparable for the year or so they'd be in use before they failed.

The same thing happened to DEC and IBM. Rather sad, really.

-jcr

Re:Who writes this crap? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064590)

This one of the reasons I was leery of the slate.

Atom processor...Windows 7

It was doomed from the start. This is a new era. If you're not bringing arm and from the ground up touch oriented OS's of which Win7 is not, you may as well forget it. The iPad will eat you for lunch.

Thankfully, somebody at HP figured that out before they lost a lot of money.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

trapnest (1608791) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065006)

My sisters hp netbook has an Atom processor and runs windows 7 very well.

Re:Who writes this crap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32065232)

Are you trolling or do you not realize that there is a difference between a netbook running Windows 7 and a Slate that will be competitive in the modern marketplace? You aren't going to beat the iPad by taking an Eee and lopping off the keyboard. That's almost laughable. And if early sales are any indication, the iPad is going to be a juggernaut. It is defining the market. Since obviously, you don't know the difference, let me help you.

Netbook 2-3 pounds with the heavier models having the most battery life.
Slate 1.5 pounds with 10 hours of battery life.

Netbook Atom processor which consequently means heat and a fan.
Slate Arm, always cool to the touch and no whining fan noise.

Netbook Windows 7 an OS which was not designed from the ground up to work on capacitive touch. Which isn't so much an issue for the OS itself as you can always theme it or whatever. But how about the ecosystem? How many Windows programs are designed to work with capacitive touch not to mention multi-touch? There is much more to multi-touch than making a window bigger. How do you zoom in text with multi-touch without expanding the window on an application that wasn't designed for that. Clue: you don't.
Slate 50-100 thousand apps depending on the OS (iPad/Android). There are very few legitimate uses for a slate that iPad or Android doesn't have an app for. Web browsing, video, Android will have flash in a month or so so you can stream Hulu, IM, Music listening, document editing, book reading, server administration (SSH, vnc, rdesktop), picture taking, video taking (Android), games, email, gps routing, you name it, it's there. And if isn't, write it and make a fortune.

Just for the record, I despise Apple and would never buy any of their products but I'm not going to deny reality when it's staring me into the face and people like you with their heads in the sand is why MS just got caught (again) with their pants down.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065816)

HPq traditionally has had great hard ward

Is that where they treat you if you OD on viagra?

Re:Who writes this crap? (1, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063820)

Wow, obviously two great and consumer friendly examples.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063828)

If only there were some company they could buy with expertise on making OSes for mobile devices...

Re:Who writes this crap? (3, Interesting)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063900)

MP/E and HP-UX are what? Chopped Liver?

Both are very well established and stable OS's (I've worked with both), but they aren't "consumer" products (unless you happened to buy the "like new" HP-3000 from Prof. Frink's garage sale).

Over the last several years the people at Palm created good software that was delivered on marginal hardware and sold via substandard marketing. HP has the hardware & manufacturing and marketing know-how to re-establish Palm's software lines. The real question is going to be "can HP bring the Palm name and/or technology back to the marketplace in time to be successful?"

Re:Who writes this crap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064000)

MP/E and HP-UX are what? Chopped Liver?

They are from pre-Fiorina HP, which was a vastly different company. I doubt any engineers left at HP could create the necessary OS, and even if they could, there isn't the management support to slog through and do it, and not just rush it through 80% of its life, and wind up with a piece of crap if they don't kill it first.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

kmankmankman2001 (567212) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064040)

Perhaps the OP needed greater emphasis . . . "build AND sell". There, that better? HP can build OS's (or at least buy those that do) but the SELL part, eh, not so much.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

stox (131684) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064148)

MP/E is dead.

" The discontinuance of the product line was announced in late 2001 with support from HP terminating at the end of 2010. A number of 3rd party companies have announced plans to support both the hardware and software beyond this date for customers unable or unwilling to migrate to alternative platforms."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Multi-Programming_Executive [wikipedia.org]

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

oztiks (921504) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064212)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Arrington [wikipedia.org]

The Western Union thing is impressive, you'd think a guy of this stature would have a clue about enterprise IT and know that HP is quite a powerful player in the higher end of the market.

It looks like the one of the IT companies he was apart of has seemed to of foldera-ed [foldera.com] :)

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

Teufelsmuhle (849105) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064408)

This article is about consumer products, and this comment clearly should be taken in that context. The typical consumer has never even heard of HP-UX or MPE, let alone possessing the requisite knowledge to judge either of the two. So in this context, yes, both are decidely "chopped liver". (It also could be argued both are "chopped liver" in any context, but that's a different discussion.)

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

christurkel (520220) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064464)

And it's not Apple OS, it's iPhone OS.

Re:Who writes this crap? (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064670)

MP/E and HP-UX are what? Chopped Liver?

I have very fond memories of MPE-3. It was the first timesharing system I ever used. I can't remember ever seeing an HP3000 crash in four years of high school, usually running around 100 user sessions.

-jcr

Re:Who writes this crap? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32065124)

"HP knows how to build and sell hardware, not operating systems."

Um, maybe thats why they bought Palm? Now they have the WebOS development team.

Re:Who writes this crap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32065182)

um, yes?

This thing does not exist (2)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063716)

I said so then. [slashdot.org] The thing didn't do what it was intended to do: kill interest in the iPad and Android slates. The of Microsoft killing progress by announcing vaporware is over.

Re:This thing does not exist (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064510)

It probably exists as a prototype at HP. The real issue is that it didn't work as well as HP and MS wanted it to work, and it may have still been in an early stage of development. With the Android tablet rumors and the upcoming iPad, they needed to deflect attention away from alternatives. So they mocked up what they wanted to do. Now this has been modus operandi for MS for a long time.

And it worked. Everyone I know who read or saw the Slate was excited about it. However some of them didn't really understand it wasn't a demo. When I explained that to them, they were less excited.

3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roaming (0)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063726)

3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work good and Roaming costs can be higher then what a car can cost for under 1gb of data.

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063836)

WebOs dosent mean what you think it means. Google is your friend

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (1)

scld (995026) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063844)

3G prices? I don't know what 3G prices would have to do with how well an operating system works, especially on a tablet. Also, going to your settings and setting "Data while roaming" to 'no' is a good start.

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063896)

You seem to be confusing WebOS with a web-based OS. WebOS is what the Palm Pre and Palm Pixi smartphones run. It's similar to most other smartphone OSs.

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063922)

I pay like $30 a month for unlimited data through tmobile. You can turn off data on roam and just use wifi with a lot of devices. I mean is $30 so expensive for 3g internet everywhere? I agree it could be cheaper, but it is not wholly unreasonable, especially when you realize you can convert your phone into a portable wifi hotspot and there are no data caps on tmobile. Its not a real replacement for say something fast like cable, but it is certainly usable for web browsing. I mean what do you want? 100mpbs everywhere? Its not going to happen. Not any time soon. Even cricket has 3G services (I hear they suck) that you can buy data for like $35 a month. Its not going to get much cheaper than that.

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063966)

I must clarify everywhere to be everywhere that I go. I realize that 3g doesn't work everywhere....

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (1)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064306)

According to the Tmobile site, their $30 plan (which is actually a $25 plan) has a cap of 200mb. For unlimited it hikes up to $50.

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063926)

Look at you. This is poorly done.

3g prices are to high

You mean they're too high.

for a WebOS to work good

You mean for a WebOS to work well

and Roaming costs can be higher

"Roaming" is not a proper noun. You probably don't know what that means, so I'll simplify it for you: it means it should not be capitalized.

While I'm at it, most of the time that you guys say "less" what you mean is "fewer". Apparently a fine subtle thing like the distinction between quality and quantity is too much for your minds. Oh and seriously, learn the difference between "lose" and "loose". I know the spellings are similar and that this is very confusing for people who are not so bright, but the two words have nothing else in common.

Parents, do you see what happens when you send your kids to public school? They can't give you change at the cash register without a calculator either, because subtracting a two-digit number from 100 is too much for them. You know what else they can't do? They can't easily determine when someone is lying to them, such as a politician, other authority figure, or the media. Let's keep cranking out morons who let the wool be pulled over their eyes, that way we can keep fucking society real good, right parents? I mean, how will we end up with the true cradle-to-grave nanny state unless we have a bunch of dumb helpless people who need to be protected from their own bad decisions?

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064014)

I weant too publick skewl and I'am turned out a'right. And four you're infomansion, I dont half two wurry about counting no changes becuz I'd not half to asked you if you'ld want you're frys with that, OK?

You fucking grammer/spelling nazi douche bag. Go learn something about DEC, and Compaq buying DEC, and HP buying Compaq, etc, etc and stop wasting our time with your grammar nazi manifesto. Code editors have spell-checkers, auto-complete for variable names, syntax coloring, and a variety of other features developed precisely to avoid JTD's typos in code. So the "presentation" of his opinion wasn't up to your standards. Too bad. If you've got something to say regarding HP, Palm, WebOS, or any other non-grammar related subject chime right in. Until then, you're just a grammar fucktard.

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064260)

I weant too publick skewl and I'am turned out a'right. And four you're infomansion, I dont half two wurry about counting no changes becuz I'd not half to asked you if you'ld want you're frys with that, OK? You fucking grammer/spelling nazi douche bag. Go learn something about DEC, and Compaq buying DEC, and HP buying Compaq, etc, etc and stop wasting our time with your grammar nazi manifesto. Code editors have spell-checkers, auto-complete for variable names, syntax coloring, and a variety of other features developed precisely to avoid JTD's typos in code. So the "presentation" of his opinion wasn't up to your standards. Too bad. If you've got something to say regarding HP, Palm, WebOS, or any other non-grammar related subject chime right in. Until then, you're just a grammar fucktard.

As usual you miss the point. I've never seen a calm person miss the point like that. I only see angry resentful people who are outraged that you'd dare to point out anything wrong with acting in a lazy half-assed fashion. They have a bit of an agenda or interest in denying the connection between mental laziness and poor composition, the same way that Microsoft has an interest in promoting Windows.

The point is, you use the English language every single day, multiple times a day. That means you have plenty of practice with it. If after such frequent use and such a great deal of practice, you show not even the slightest mastery over it, then something is wrong with you. Why should I think you're any better at constructing or deconstructing an argument, advocating a position, or knowing what you are talking about?

I think I know what this is about. You want to pick and choose what you do well and what you do in a half-assed lazy fashion. You're not trying to discover your weaknesses so you can improve and overcome them to become a stronger person. The things you really like and really interest you are the things you do well. The things you don't like but have to deal with in order to accomplish something else, like grammar and spelling, are the things you want to do in a lazy fashion. It's a "me me me" mentality that has no discipline and no patience because you want what you want and won't put any effort towards anything else.

You'll never know the simple pleasure of believing that anything worth doing at all is worth doing well, and actually living like you believe that. Your quest to shortcut every possible effort and your addiction to the path of least resistance denies you such an insight. I bet if your boss at work required you to use proper grammar you'd find a way to do it, because you need some kind of external threat of punishment (like getting fired) before you care enough since you sure as hell don't have your own standards. Now go on, get more upset at me and call me names some more, since you clearly cannot argue with me.

Our society is being dumbed down to a bunch of childish, emotionally reactive, superficial morons who can't handle critical thinking, don't care enough to do simple things correctly, rarely question what they see and hear, and cannot use foresight to think past anything immediately obvious to understand where a situation is going before it gets there. Watch the news and carefully observe it and tell me it isn't tailor-made for this audience. This leads to a society of people who need to be micromanaged and who need to be taken care of and government is only too happy to increase its size and power to meet that need. Those of us who love freedom and will happily pay its price of vigilence, excellence, and introspection are suffering a great burden because of it and it's unjust.

Re:3g prices are to high for a WebOS to work Roami (0, Offtopic)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064250)

Bravo, sir, bravo. ::slow clap::

The real story... (4, Interesting)

farrellj (563) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063842)

The real story about HP's purchase of of Palm is that now they have access to versions of Linux that run on everything from their SuperDome Supercomputer all the way down to cell phones. It's been the dream of HP for a long time to have one operating system that runs across the whole range of hardware that HP sells.

So I can see they would cancel the Windows 7 based Slate, and will probably replace it with a WebOS based Slate. Contrary to the obviously less than clued in article says, it's all Linux, be it Android, Chrome or WebOS.

ttyl
          Farrell

Re:The real story... (1)

lurch_mojoff (867210) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064280)

Contrary to the obviously less than clued in article says, it's all Linux, be it Android, Chrome or WebOS.

But is it? When you have three completely distinct ways of writing applications, would you still count them as one OS simply because they have the same kernel? Would you be running a glorified browser, like ChromeOS, on a SuperDome Supercomputer?

Re:The real story... (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065368)

Certainly. Especially if you want to do massive fuzz testing to look for vulnerabilities and bugs in said browser.

Re:The real story... (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065212)

...now they have access to versions of Linux that run on everything from their SuperDome Supercomputer all the way down to cell phones. It's been the dream of HP for a long time to have one operating system that runs across the whole range of hardware that HP sells.quote>

Your point is valid, but rather simplistic. Whilst all *nix OS have certain similarities, they are far from being the same...
The system and end-user requirements are vastly different between a SuperDome and a tablet.

Re:The real story... (1)

farrellj (563) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065622)

But I am not talking about flavours of *nix, but Distributions built up Linux. Remember, Linux is *only* the kernel, everything beyond that is a Distribution. So Distros all have the same low level interfaces and system calls, assuming they are using a similar vintage of kernel.

But the same kernel you run on a nPar or vPar of a Superdome is the same kernel you run on a Palm Pre, just with different options enabled.

ttyl
          Farrell

Dell coming out with Android Tablets (4, Interesting)

N!NJA (1437175) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063856)

Dell seems to have realized http://www.androidcentral.com/dell-looking-glass-tablet-tegra-2-love [androidcentral.com] a lot earlier that Windows 7 would not be responsive enough on a slow processor and made the conscious and responsible move towards an alternative OS before HP. It has taken HP months of tests to realize that an Atom CPU and Win7 aren't a match made in heaven. They even posted videos on their YouTube channel recently! HP should either upgrade the Slate's CPU and stick with Win7 -- which would give them a larger-than-life ecosystem -- or they should go with Android, which, not only is open, but it's also growing in popularity at a great pace http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49518-android-market-hits-50k-app-mark/ [tgdaily.com] .

Re:Dell coming out with Android Tablets (1)

TiberiusMonkey (1603977) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063960)

I keep hearing people say that Windows 7 doesn't run well on Atom's but I have to say, Windows 7 works great on my 1005ha Eee (Aero all on, and used everyday), in fact it probably runs better than my regular UNR, and I'm no Windows fanboy.

Re:Dell coming out with Android Tablets (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064594)

I guess it gets complicated in a tablet - preferably a device a bit smaller than a netbook; a bit, but in non-trivial way: you either get from Intel some much slower Atom (hence performance suffers) or the battery won't last acceptably long.

Re:Dell coming out with Android Tablets (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064786)

Windows 7 works great on my 1005ha Eee (Aero all on, and used everyday),

Maybe compared to UNR on a mini laptop but, how about a Slate computer with an arm cpu and dedicated touch screen OS along with over 100,000 applications of more or less quality designed to work with it? Think about your Eee. That thing have a fan on it? The competition doesn't. Is it always cool to the touch? The competition's is. How much does it weigh? The competition's is significantly less than 2 pounds. And that's with 10 hours of battery life. How much battery life would your machine have if it weighed 1.5 pounds? You have to put this stuff in perspective. Windows 7 may run well on your Eee in your opinion but we're discussing slates here. HP did the right thing in canceling this doomed project.

Re:Dell coming out with Android Tablets (1)

N!NJA (1437175) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064848)

the problem is that a 2-min wait for a boot and a 10-sec wait to launch a browser is not acceptable to many people that have used decent computers before. besides, Flash does not run well on Atom processors. that's a fact. and HP was already bragging about Flash support on the Slate, which, although a nice plus, would leave people with a bitter taste in their mouth when they tried fullscreen playback.

i have the excellent HP tm2 tablet with an Intel SU7300 and 4Gb of RAM running Win7. after tweaking my Services and Startup progs, it still takes it a whole minute to start the tablet and launch IE (takes longer to lauch FF with all my addons. this kind of wait isnt a big deal to me, but the people who have smartphones or have used the iPad, are expecting tablets with 2-sec boots. i would not buy an iPad for the very same reason i would not buy an Atom Slate running Win7: it would be too expensive (HP was planning a $550 price tag) for the half-baked computer experience it would provide.

Re:Dell coming out with Android Tablets (3, Insightful)

mlingojones (919531) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064790)

Not sure why everyone assumes that Android is a better choice for HP than webOS. Who cares if it's "open" - HP now owns the codebase to webOS, so while there may be an advantage to going with Android over Windows 7, there isn't one to going with Android over webOS.

not again (1)

matushorvath (972424) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063868)

If this is true, then go to hell HP. First you discontinued the TC1100 [wikipedia.org] , which even until today is one of the best slate tablets made, and now this. Next time you announce a tablet, you can count on me not caring.

Re:not again (1)

Antiocheian (859870) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063978)

They have made the 2710p, 2730p and 2740p tablets. These are really great. I am not sure if there is any advantage to the slim keyboard, bulky monitor design but besides this difference, these are the TC1100 updated. Highly recommended. I own the 2710p and really enjoying its great ergonomics with all the tablet features.

Re:not again (1)

matushorvath (972424) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065902)

Well, one disadvantage of many current tablets is their weight. I did a quick research, 2710p is not that bad (starting from 1.6kg up to 2.0kg). TC1100 without keyboard was 1.4kg and TC1000 was 1.35kg. For a computer that you are usually holding in one hand, weight is important. Even 1.35 feels on the heavy side. I read lots of books lying down and partially holding it, partially supporting it on something. I could not do that with a 2.0 kg notebook (tried it :).

Another thing, TC1000 was beautiful (ok, that is subjective :), TC4200 which replaced it was just a standard looking black notebook.

I miss my TC1000 very much, currently I am using Lenovo X61 which is very good, but I am still searching for something as perfect as TC1000 was.

Not So Sure (5, Interesting)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 3 years ago | (#32063870)

I asked someone at HP about this on Friday, and this was her answer...

Heads up on your Slate post to me this morning. I had to delete it! I flagged the rumor to our team and they asked me not to comment on it at all. Not that I said anything either way about the status of the slate, personally I thought it was laughable, but they said they wanted to manage the rumors and not want anyone to address it. I should hear something back soon and when I do, I'll share it.

If the PR team is planning to "manage the rumors", I'm hesitant to believe that the rumor is accurate. After all, if HP was really killing the Slate, why wouldn't they want word out as soon as possible, or why would they care about managing what's said?

One of the other rumors going around is that they're ditching Win7 for WebOS on the tablet, but the hardware will stay mostly the same. That's possible, but I'm wondering what the benefit would be to them if they already had a Slate ready to go with Win7, but opting to ditch it just because of the software. Personally, I've been hoping for a Win7 tablet for some time now, and there's been plenty of other positive feedback from the idea on HP's Facebook page. I'd rather see them put two SKUs out whereby the software was basically the only difference. The WebOS one would be cheaper and likely have better battery life, but the Win7 version could run desktop apps. It'd be trivial to do, but I guess we'll have to wait for the official word.

Re:Not So Sure (2, Interesting)

magnwa (18700) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064064)

I could see how they'd want to manage it in the sense of "let us put it off until we have the slicky material for what we're doing in two years time" from the PR team.

Re:Not So Sure (1)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064114)

I asked someone at HP about this on Friday, and this was her answer...

Heads up on your Slate post to me this morning. I had to delete it! .....

If the PR team is planning to "manage the rumors", I'm hesitant to believe that the rumor is accurate.

It sounds like what your heard about the PR team was in fact a rumor itself.

Re:Not So Sure (4, Interesting)

lurch_mojoff (867210) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064218)

If the PR team is planning to "manage the rumors", I'm hesitant to believe that the rumor is accurate. After all, if HP was really killing the Slate, why wouldn't they want word out as soon as possible, or why would they care about managing what's said?

Actually, I'm reading this exactly the opposite way - if HP were not killing the Slate a simple response would be sufficient, something like - "Of course no. That rumor is ludicrous. We are still shipping the Slate in the already announced timeframe."

On the other hand, if they are "killing" the Slate and, say, replacing it with the same hardware but running WebOS, they probably need time to assess how much time will that take, or whatever, so they can come out and say - "We are killing the current Slate device if favor of releasing so-and-so in six months."

I may, too, be reading it wrongly, though. Probably it's best if we don't assume either way until HP comment on the matter or release the device.

Re:Not So Sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32065696)

Er, I'm not sure it can be read either way. PR would want to "manage the rumors" because that's their job -- basic turf war policy, and really, it's simple Due Diligence on HP's part to have only the PR people handle comment on anything at all.

That's the sticker about Due Diligence - it doesn't matter that the truth might have a quick sensible reply that would be helpful to HP's Slate strategy. What matters is that there's a rumour, and it's a weekend, and a response must go through approved Channels & Processes or HP will have exposed its balls to a shareholder vice that can be applied on something completely unrelated to the Slate.

Which sucks, yes. A lot of bizarre rules come about because they patch a hole that some asshole figured a way to screw the system through.

Re:Not So Sure (1)

foo fighter (151863) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064344)

I don't think it would be trivial at all if HP wants to sell a great device that can be favorably compared to the iPad.

There are two major sticking points, to my mind:

One: WebOS is heavily dependent on swiping. Swiping back, swiping up, pinching, etc. I can't imagine a tablet that hasn't been designed with this in mind being physically comfortable to use.

Two: WebOS is a much more "lean" OS compared to Windows 7. Using hardware designed for WebOS will likely cost much more than it should and battery usage won't have been tuned properly.

Re:Not So Sure (1)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064572)

There was a working prototype for the Slate at CES that ran Win7, so it's safe to assume that a set of hardware specs for that platform are more-or-less nailed down. That said, the two basic options are to either get WebOS to work with the existing hardware (i.e. hammer out some drivers to get the two talking), or redesign the hardware to include tablet-sized versions of the hardware it's already been written for.

While at first glance it seems like a wash as to which is more economical for HP, support and manufacturing are also huge considerations IF a Win7 tablet is also in the works. Call me nuts, but I'm fairly certain there's a market for a tablet that can say "I'm compatible with all of your USB peripherals you've already got, and all the software you've already bought". Some might look for a tablet with WebOS that's a more tablet-specific experience like the iPad, and for that WebOS is probably a better competitor, but I'd also wager that there are plenty of applications for a tablet with that in mind. Therefore, if HP intends to release both a Win7 tablet and a WebOS tablet, they're likely better off keeping the manufacturing process the same for both, sending them out the factory with the sole difference being the firmware flashed on them, and sticking them in different boxes. This also helps for warranty service where reflashing the unit with whatever the user wants is easier than having to double the warehouse inventory. If those two advantages are great enough, I'd wager that HP will likely opt to expand WebOS to work with the same hardware.

But yes, I realize that my entire point here hinges on HP releasing the Slate for both platforms. If WebOS is replacing Win7, then yeah, it still could go either way.

Re:Not So Sure (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064636)

Are you really seriously considering two tablets, one for Win7 and one for WebOS, with the same hardware? That would be...incredibly stupid on the part of HP. WebOS can run on much simpler, much cheaper, much more energy efficient hardware.

The real winner is Un*x, everywhere... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063918)

A few years ago the future looked bleak: a MS-dominated world with no viable alternatives.

Now companies are seeing the light: Windows is an overpriced piece of junk.

Every capable cellphone and capable tablet shall now be running one version of Un*x or another: Linux or OS X.

Go, go, go. I've been waiting 15 years for this to happen (when I first discovered Linux, in 1995, a bit late to the Un*x party). I hope this trend continues.

Go Un*x, no matter which one as long as this mediocre piece of crap only admired by paid MS astro-fanbois-turfers gets less and less influencial.

My world is now Linux, OS X and OpenBSD and my apps are GMail and Google docs. Die a slow and painful death Windows, thou shall not be missed.

Re:The real winner is Un*x, everywhere... (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064058)

It took google to make it happen, but yes, android phones are certainly taking over the ecosystem and it is fascinating. I still use windows on the desktop, because I'm not the biggest mac fan anymore, and linux really isn't a replacement with its lack of the applications I need. I think linux is starting to fill niches that need good alternatives. I think windows ce was less than ideal for a lot of people, and iphone os really showed that it was possible to have very sleek experience with cheaply available hardware. Also the slow rise of ARM to prominence in a very large number of devices is very interesting as well and has given the embedded world the cpu it needs with horsepower available. Are these things going to take over the behemoth multi-core desktop CPUs? Not really. But, for a lot of people, I think they will, and that is an interesting shift in perception. I think time will tell if these sort of small, efficient internet enabled devices take off. Its certainly a new revolution and an exciting one in a world that has largely been dominated by stagnant 20 year old designs.

Intel Atom has Barely Improved in 2 Years (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32063924)

FTA: "HP may also be abandoning Intel-based hardware for its slate lineup simply because it’s too power hungry. That would also rule out Windows 7 as an operating system." The Intel Atom has barely improved over the past two years. For the first year, it was paired up obsolete chipsets (945G, 945GSE), and only recently has Intel improved on that with Tiger Point. Still, the core has not changed (at least, I'm not aware of any announced changes), it's still manufactured at 45nm. When Intel announced their push to 32nm, many people speculated that the Atom would be the first to be manufactured because of it's simplicity. I guess it just wasn't profitable enough: Atom won't go 32nm until the second half of 2011 as Cedar Trail. The upcoming dual-core (dual die?) Atom netbook processor (N455) expected this summer will help, but it's probably too little, too late.

ARM and their partners, on the other hand, are barreling ahead. Single core Cortex A8 designs nearly reach performance parity with the Atom at about 1/4th the energy consumption, and dual-core A9 designs are being demonstrated now. (Nvidia's Tegra 2 comes to mind.)

Re:Intel Atom has Barely Improved in 2 Years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064112)

ummm.... the atom has been made increasingly power efficient. Netbooks now days are running up to 5-7 hours on a charge. Compared to the original eeePC's that is not exactly "standing still."

Re:Intel Atom has Barely Improved in 2 Years (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064238)

The power efficiency gains are entirely the result of improved chipsets, not improvements in the Atom processor itself. The greatest gains in power efficiency would be a result of combining the processor core and chipset onto the same die (not merely in the same package). To do this however, the Atom core would have to be synthesizable, which it is not.

Of course, battery life has also improved by putting 6-cell battery packs into netbooks. This kinda defeats the purpose of a small and light computer, but I suppose that's not necessarily too heavy for a netbook. For a tablet, however, 6-cells would probably be too heavy.

Does that mean... (1)

jonnat (1168035) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064004)

... that the next time Ballmer gets up in front of an audience to tell us what the future of computing looks like we should keep watching YouTube videos on our Android phones?

Likely Success? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064048)

That seems very unlikely given the dominance of the closed Apple OS and the likely success of the open Android and Chrome operating systems from Google

Likely success? Open Source != Success. Please leave your bias at the door when posting.

Re:Likely Success? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064548)

Go fuck yourself, and stop diddling your little sister, PERVERT.

Apple knows how to sell computers not phones... (1)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064074)

"HP knows how to build and sell hardware, not operating systems."

And Apple knows how to sell computers, not phones, or music, or books. Oh wait...

Re:Apple knows how to sell computers not phones... (2, Insightful)

Jer (18391) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064504)

Apple knows how to sell Apple - they've gotten very good at it over the past few decades. A few missteps back in the 90s, but nothing that really tanked their image. If anything, a few of their missteps (like the Newton) played into their image even as they flopped in the market.

HP, on the other hand, never really realized that branding was important. They know how to sell hardware, but they have never been really good at selling HP as a brand. Which means it will be much harder for them to expand into a new market than it was for Apple. Buying Palm probably won't help much - Palm isn't exactly the most respected name in the market either these days.

Re:Apple knows how to sell computers not phones... (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064782)

Yes. All Apple knows how to do is sell.

They've known more than that in the past, but they're kinda sorta a sugar water hustle outfit now.

Yeah, right (2, Interesting)

xPertCodert (596934) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064132)

HP knows a lot more about operating systems than Google, for example. It still develops one of the best OS of all times, OpenVMS and not to forget about Digital/Tru64 Unix. There is enough knowledge in this company to create a very good and usable OS.

Re:Yeah, right (3, Informative)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064462)

That was DEC and not HP. And DEC pretty much was destroyed by Compaq and then obliterated by HP.

Re:Yeah, right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32065572)

But they bought an OS.

MRBG (1)

MrBGsays (1785394) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064170)

If the Slate is not available in a Win7 config I won't be buying it. I don't need a trinket tablet, I need one that runs real world applications. If I want a trinket tablet I'll just get a iPad and run apps.

Re:MRBG (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32065036)

Wow, you're a dumbass. You might have a point with WebOS but you are so far off base if you think your bs applies to Android or iPad that I have to assume you are a shill or just plain retarded.

How many of you're "real world" applications do you think you will be running with a pure capacitive touch screen interface? The tiniest fraction of 1 percent of Windows applications are designed to work on this kind of display. And whatever you are doing, you better do it quick as your Windows 7 tablet is only going to have about 5 hours of battery life and it's going to get awfully hot too. Not to mentioned the constant whining of the fan. But back to what I was saying. All of the over 100,000 ipad/iphone/ipod touch apps are designed to work like that. All android applications are designed for that. And what real work are you going to be doing on a tablet with an Atom proc and a 9 inch screen anyway? Editing videos? Ha ha. There is not a single application for Windows that you would legitimately run on this tablet that doesn't have a better touch oriented version for Android or iPad. So, to sum it up, not only are you a dumbass, you are a fucking ignorant dumbass.

twomanyOS (1)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064312)

We have so many os's and platforms and software that we keep tossing and changing to keep everything incompatible. There's tons of software for lots of os's. Stuff like wine, executor, hypervisors and emulators are perhaps where we will end up having the largest number of software titles being able to run.

Where's the money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32064336)

Yes, HP knows how to build hardware. But that's an expensive and decreasingly profitable business. An app store ecosystem is the gift that keeps on giving; developers pay you (a little) for the privilege of uploading their wares to your store, and you skim off the top of every purchase made. The only cost being the power bill for the servers, and the credit card processing fee. No dealing with physical inventories, no FCC approvals, no tedious "work".

So it's easy to see why they might want a stab at their own environment...

Patch Tuesday (1)

fragMasterFlash (989911) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064630)

Everyone hates patch Tuesday. For the target demographic of tablet devices dealing with patch after patch for the OS and plug-ins would completely ruin the experience. While the typical geek has no problem with patches, we are sadly not the target demographic for tablet devices.

No big mystery here (2, Insightful)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 3 years ago | (#32064788)

Several previously-announced tablet projects have been canceled now and the reason should be obvious. Before it's release, everyone was predicting that the iPad was going to be priced around $1000. Many companies felt that they could release a competing product that could undercut that price and started designing hardware. When it turned out that the price of the iPod was half of what it was expected to be, suddenly those $800 (or whatever) tablets became pointless. The companies had two choices: drop the price to $499, which would have meant losing money on each unit, or drop the project. The smart thing to do was obvious.

I am betting it ships... (1)

guidryp (702488) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065052)

Development is likely near complete. They have been generating buzz, They have dropped several demo video and claimed it was coming later this year, it was front and center at CES. Internal Spec sheets and competitive analysis has leaked. All signs were fully on serious launch until Palm acquisition. So now what?

It is going to take time to put together a proper WebOS tablet and get in shipping condition, likely well into 2011.

It makes sense to go with the Windows Slate that many claim they want, that they have generated buzz for and have put R&D money into. If they had a business case before for this device, they still have one now.

That gives them breathing room to get the WebOS slate rolling and they can ship them together and continue to assess whether both have a place in the lineup.

So IMO it will ship because the WebOS acquisition doesn't change anything in the time frame it was supposed to ship.

What the hell? (1)

The Hatchet (1766306) | more than 3 years ago | (#32065528)

This is the second recent tablet cancellation since the iPad came out. The iPad sucks because of the app-store and the proprietorialism (although good hardware/setup). But two tablets canceled right after the iPad comes out? It is the perfect time to jump on the market, people start using tablets and realize the millions of uses in industry, retail, warehouses, hospitals, and so on. If all those could make their own software and not have to worry about apple's control and privacy invasions then tablets would be insanely useful. And at the same time all the others are dropping like flies? There is a huge, totally ignored market here that could be filled quickly by the first tablet to use a more open platform like win7 or android variants. I honestly don't think apples price was low enough to cut other tablets out of the market, especially the industry market. And since when has apple been known for low prices? The computer I built for 1400 bucks and threw win7 on would have cost me around $35,000 had I bought it from apple (I went to their site, plugged in the specs and the closest result that met minimum). Course, black friday sales helped, but certainly not by a factor of 20. Something just seems wrong with this drop after drop of these things. Very wrong.

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