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Church Turns To Facebook To Find Priests

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the give-us-this-day-our-daily-farmville dept.

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crimeandpunishment writes "The Catholic church of France isn't looking for friends on Facebook, it's looking for priests. The church has turned to Facebook as part of a campaign to attract young people to the priesthood, in an effort to combat its drastically dwindling number of priests. It may be working. The Facebook page attracted more than 1,200 fans in one week."

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Young people (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32071736)

Attracting young people to the priesthood, isn't that what they've been doing for years?

Re:Young people (-1, Troll)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071758)

Some of the priests have been very busy attracting young people to their priesthood, yes.

Re:Young people (-1, Flamebait)

oztiks (921504) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072514)

I'm more concerned about facefooks process usage and its repetitive over use of the Poke feature ...

The Church could be responsible for a denial of service attack!

JUST WOW (5, Funny)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071738)

Priests looking to Facebook as part of a campain to attract young people.

Re:JUST WOW (1, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072422)

Unfortunately, since the minimum age to sign up for Facebook is 13, it is not very useful for recruiting altar boys. Sometimes the traditional ways work best...

Re:JUST WOW (3, Insightful)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072562)

That's not the most ridiculous thing about this. Think about it, they're looking on Facebook for people who want to be celibate.

I don't rate their chances very highly.

Re:JUST WOW (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072492)

Great cover story. Troll for kids under the guise of finding new potential recruits.

And it feeds the pattern of "those who are abused as children tend to abuse children when they grow up"...

Do they (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32071740)

Provide the winecoolers?

Really? (2, Informative)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071748)

I thought AOL was supposed to be more popular with the pedobear crowd.

Wonderful (2, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071766)

That sounds like a good idea. We know there aren't any perverts on Facebook.

Re:Wonderful (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071778)

Particularly now. :P

Re:Wonderful (2, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071902)

The Facebook page attracted more than 1,200 fans in one week.

Fans != applicants ... unless FB has changed the meaning of "like" yet again ;-)

Re:Wonderful (1)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072076)

If they have, I'm going to have to remove connections to a lot of apps.

Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32071780)

Unless you are prepared to explain why your religion probably has a higher (but less publicized) level of sexual abuse.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32071810)

Looks like you explained it perfectly just now...

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (2, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071828)

No, the jokes will continue. But hey, the church brought this on themselves. While many can learn to forgive (per teachings of Jesus), no one must forget.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072200)

And in the spirit of continuing jokes, allow me to resent the fucking pope song! [madville.com]

Needless to say, it is NSFW, but I find it to be pretty funny and sadly insightful. I also used the Madville link instead of Youtube so you don't have to log in to view. And OT, but WTF is up with these itty bitty boxes? You would think that a fricking geeks site would be able to do better with page design.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (3, Informative)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071864)

Priests and/or pastors are not even the biggest threat to children it's teachers, at least once a week another teacher is in the news for molesting one of their students.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (4, Insightful)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071924)

But are all the schools trying to cover it up every time something like that happens, and protect the teacher in question?

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (0)

kyrio (1091003) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072016)

They usually are trying to cover it up and so the teacher often just gets transfered. Just because the majority of the cases are not in the news it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (1)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072526)

Not the schools, but the teacher unions do.

Proof please? (4, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072658)

Not the schools, but the teacher unions do.

Last I checked teacher's unions don't have a lot of pull in the district attorney's office.

While false accusations are a real problem, I'm pretty sure I've never heard of a case of a teacher's union covering for a real sexual abuse case. Care to link to some actual proof for your assertion?

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (5, Insightful)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071934)

Also wrong. The biggest threat to children are parents (or generally close family and "friends"). As with most of serious crime BTW...

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (4, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072172)

In a word: Bullshit.

The biggest threat to kids is family, and family friends. Those statistics make all others look small.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (1)

broknstrngz (1616893) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072388)

That's simply because kids spend more time in school than in church, so odds of being abused increase accordingly. I, for one, would rather have my kid in school than in church, against all odds.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (5, Informative)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071986)

I'm an atheist. We have lower levels of sexual abuse because our morals are reinforced by logic and a sense of regret rather than forgiven and cleansed by God making everything ok.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (5, Insightful)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072146)

Mod +5 funny. Or +5 naive. I'd love to think that there is some religion or non-religion that consistently makes people better people

But centuries of data shows otherwise.

Utimately, it comes down to individuals and their individual choices. I've known very good Chrisitans and very evil ones. I've known very good Atheists and ones who I certainly wouldn't trust my kids with.

The bottom line is that you need to judge people individually and not collectively

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (4, Insightful)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072796)

Religious/non-religious does not make a lot of difference... but a religious authority does! God trumps your mom, dad and government... and the priest who just told you to shut up about the abuse is a direct representative of god. This little detail and the fact that those priest eagerly forgive themselves or even make it 'right' by claiming that that little bit of evil is OK because of all the good they can do because of it is just sickening (not only with sexual abuse, but also like mother Theresa who let unfortunate people suffer so she herself could be closer to god).

In my experience any man who claims to have a more direct line to god (or the supernatural) than you should be avoided at any cost. I'm certain that if there would be no religious leaders there would be almost no problems with religion...

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32072240)

I'm an atheist and God only forgives if you regret.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32072036)

Alright, I'm an atheist! That means I can joke about it as much as I wish!

But I wont, because frankly it's just painful. But I'll give you some free advice (the worst kind, I know): if the best you can say to defend your own religion is that all other religions are just as bad or worse but have somehow managed to keep a lid on it... then maybe it's time to look for a new religion, or, and I say this from experience, to let go of them altogether.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (0, Flamebait)

Jawn98685 (687784) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072066)

Yes, the jokes will continue.
Yes, the RCC has no one but themselves to blame for the PR mess they find themselves in, so they and all their apologists can STFU, as far as I am concerned.
I'd be happy to explain why my religion has a higher level of sexual abuse, if it had one. That's one of the nicest things about my religion. The "clergy" aren't semi-cloistered males whose normal libido's have been repressed to the point that they must turn to victimizing innocent children because that seems to be the safest outlet for their now twisted urges. It also does not have a "church" hierarchy that could attempt to systematically hide such crimes from it's "congregation" and worse, expose ever more children to the abuses perpetrated by it's priests.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (3, Insightful)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072220)

Actually, I'm not aware of any solid data indicating that priests are more likely than anyone else to abuse children or young adults. Not that I'm a fan of the Catholic Church (or any other religion [homeunix.net] ). But the real problem was hiding the abuse and not dealing aggressively with the abusers.

And even then, to be fair, back in the 1970's and before, there weren't mandatory reporting laws for sexual abuse. Society in general has become more aware of the problems; the Church really wasn't out of step with the prevailing attitudes.

(Of course, what does that say about their claims to be moral leaders?)

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072664)

Remember: If you get an abortion, you've only committed a single sin, and you only have to do confession and penance once. However, if you use birth control, you are committing a sin EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU USE IT!

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072212)

I would refrain from pedophile jokes because frankly it is not funny.

Speaking as a Christian, the Catholic church should be very embarassed right now. Individual priests doing evil is not shocking. It is the systematic coverup and empowerment from THE TOP LEVELS that is shocking.

If the Catholic church were a corporation, it would be sued out of business. As a sovereign nation, it should be excluded from the internation scene until it holds itself accountable and make reparations.

Will that happen? Of course not. But the level of evil is large and should be addressed.

The biggest threat to Christianity is not atheists. It is Christians.

(boy do I hate idle's comment box)

Anything can be funny (1)

sjbe (173966) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072740)

I would refrain from pedophile jokes because frankly it is not funny.

Anything can be funny under the right circumstances. If you think otherwise you are taking life far too seriously.

The biggest threat to Christianity is not atheists. It is Christians.

I would have said it's logic but no one ever accused Christians of that...
(if you are tempted to mod this troll or flamebait see above)

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072370)

It isn't the pedophilia per se(which, while tragic, is expected at a certain level in any situation where an adult population has the opportunity to interact with children), it's the institution-wide, endemic coverup and enabling of that pedophilia that (rightly) makes the catholic church a target of derision.

Some percentage of priests are going to be pedophiles, inevitably, because some percentage of adult males are. However, that doesn't mean that you deliberately conceal them from law enforcement as part of some bullshit assertion that canon law takes precedence over secular law. Nor does it mean that you deliberately circulate the problem priests around, to provide them with fresh victims and, cynically, give them assignments where they are likely to have access to the weakest and most vulnerable, and least likely to be able to cause a scandal, targets...

Now, incidentally, I strongly suspect that priests are more likely than the population at large to exhibit sexual preferences that would displease orthodox catholic teaching on the subject(though, not all of which are, by any means, of legal or ethical concern. Homosexuals who prefer consenting adult partners make the church sad; but are neither legally nor ethically a problem). The logic of my suspicion can be understood by the following analogy:

It is highly likely that, on average, priests as a population have either less interest in money, or less of a belief that they would be able to obtain it, than otherwise demographically equivalent people. The reasons are fairly simple: Priesthood doesn't pay all that well, given the amount of training and effort it requires. Thus, anyone who becomes a priest is either super-gung-ho about priesthood, doesn't care much about money and what it can buy, or doesn't think that they could earn much money elsewhere(making the opportunity cost low), or some combination of the above.

Priesthood imposes a "sexual opportunity cost" similar to its monetary one. Thus, one would follow similar logic and expect that priests are either more gung-ho about priesthood than non priests, less interested in sex generally(just lower libido) than non priests, or have sexual preferences that they (as catholics conservative enough to consider priesthood) could not have satisfied even without a vow of celibacy(thus making the opportunity cost of a vow of celibacy low). If you would just love to marry a nice catholic girl and have a bunch of kids, a vow of celibacy is a serious cost. If you are gay, or polyamorous, or a pedophile, or otherwise of unapproved taste, you cannot licitly(within catholic teachings) have the sex that you want in any case, so a vow of celibacy is a minimal cost.

Since humans are way better at deciding to resist temptation in the future than they are at resisting temptation in the present, this more or less ensures that a fair few sexually atypical individuals will end up in the priesthood, under the optimistic impression that they will remain celibate. Now, again, many of them are both legally and ethically unproblematic to society at large. A priest is having an affair, homo or heterosexual? Not our problem. Some of them are legally clear; but ethically dodgy(your classic "father confessor 'counseling' wives looking for advice about their marriages" situation. All legal, consenting adults and so forth; but pretty clear abuse of position). And then you have the pedos and the rapists, for whom the church has been disturbingly willing to cover.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072622)

The Church is built on the concept of forgiveness. So, if someone says "Sure, I buggered a few dozen altar boys, but I have confessed my sins, repented, done penance, and I promise I'll never do it again,", you forgive them... and allow them to continue working unsupervised with small children, preferably in a far away Parish where nobody knows their reputation for being "just a little too interested" in young children.

Forgiveness is one thing, and not every accusation is factual. But once accused, I would never let any of those bastards within 100 miles of anyone under the age of consent for the rest of their lives. The mistake they made is believing that someone that feels guilty and show contrition won't go out and do the exact same thing again.

Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072748)

Unless you are prepared to explain why your religion probably has a higher (but less publicized) level of sexual abuse.

Most other religions probably have a lower level of sexual abuse because they allow ordained clergy to have sex with other adults. After all, it's the very first commandment in the Torah: Be fruitful and multiply.

Sex offenders banned? (2, Insightful)

ThisIsAnonymous (1146121) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071824)

So, what are they going to do once every state has a law banning sex offenders from social networks?

Re:Sex offenders banned? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32071932)

There in France. Oh wait you probably believe the entire world is "the states." Sorry to shatter the illusion.

Sometimes, the snarks just write themselves (2, Funny)

sizzzzlerz (714878) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071830)

Come on, guys, at least try to come up with something a little harder to shoot arrows at.

Take note, Facebook (1)

clickety6 (141178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071840)

you really should add a Pedo Panic button as soon as possible!

A better, more old fashioned solution (4, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071844)

Perhaps they should actively seek to inspire people rather than trying to protect and defend themselves. There may have been a time when their church was above and beyond criticism, but those days are long gone. They need to accept this fact and focus on the positive rather than the negative. Furthermore, they need to look within themselves and to blame themselves for the current public opinion of their church. (In other words, instead of blaming the victims for speaking out, blame the people who did the victimizing!)

Then, after all that, do good works... LOTS of good works. That used to work in the past. These days, one rarely hears much about the good works of the church...

Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (5, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071884)

The Church could completely reinvigorate itself and make sure there are plenty of priests by doing two things: (1) allow women to be priests; and (2) allow priests to marry. Until they do either one or both of those things they'll continue to weaken.

Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (2, Insightful)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072118)

I don't think they can easily combat underlying circumstances. See, France and generally (though not as a whole...) Europe has changed, it's waking up. Secularization has progressed quite a lot; I wouldn't be surpised if, by the time of next Eurobarometer polls regarding faith, less than 50% of Europeans will declare themselves religious. It wasn't that far the last time...

Priesthood, being a priest simply lost its social prestige. It's not "cool" (and this FB campaign likely won't change that...even if they would show some of the excesses in seminaries or monasteries) anymore to have a priest in the family.

And no, they won't introduce changes proposed by you, not for the next few decades - remember that the Church is essentially run by the "elders" (and this trend will get stronger with few young priests); it's not only about their conservatism, also personal distaste - those are the men (well, supposedly...) who gave their entire lifes to church, distanced themselves from "earthly joys". Do you think they could bear the sight of young happy priests (also women), with families, happily fucking without any potential problems?

Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072424)

Sure, the Church will never be as powerful in Europe as it used to be, but Europe has been demographically, politically and culturally dwindling in importance for decades. The Church could lose Europe and still become more influential on a global level (not that I'm saying that would be good or bad, I'm just a neutral observer).

Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (2, Insightful)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072608)

Dwindling in importance? Are you certain? EU is considered quite readily as one of the most major powers lately, culturally it retains its identity fine (plus look past popculture; and also from where most of that popculture originated...); and demographically it won't be that big of a problem, I suspect - yes, it will need a wave of immigrants...so? Sure, there are failure stories, but also huge success stories (the largest population of "Muslims" in EU is probably in Germany; rather nicely integrated)

As for the topic - the Catholic Church will of course continue to increase in so called "3rd world" countries. But remember it doesn't have to reform itself to do that... (I would even guess that would inhibit its growth in impoverished areas!)
And since its losing importance basically only in Europe (also the place of TFA), it's sensible to assume we're discussing only that area.

Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (3, Insightful)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072272)

(1) allow women to be priests; and (2) allow priests to marry.

No, no, no.... Wrong approach... Allow women to be priests and make it mandatory to attend weekly orgies for clergy.

That would boast priesthood numbers for sure!

Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (2, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072500)

But, if they allow priests to marry, then then ones that don't marry will be suspected of being, uh... a little light in the loafers. The Catholic church has always been an outlet that provides a socially acceptable lifestyle for those that just can't stomach the thought of sex with the opposite sex. As such, I believe homosexuals have always been overrepresented in the celibate castes.

Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (2, Interesting)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072794)

As such, I believe homosexuals have always been overrepresented in the celibate castes.

That does seem to be the case, indeed. I have a buddy who, at one point, tried to become a catholic monk (not sure which order); he was eventually rejected from the monastery because of...mild (easily controlled) epilepsy; yes, those isntitutions are so archaic. But during his probation there it turned out not only that one of the ways of dealing with "hardships" of monastic life is quite rampant alcoholism (well, that might be a reason of rejecting epileptics, too...), but also that there's a way above average proportion of homosexuals - between 1/3 and 1/2 of population of his order. Not that he would mind it much, being himself a homosexual...

That of course a singular sample; but I can't see any plausible reason why other monasteries and also seminaries would be much different.

Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (1, Insightful)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072774)

The Catholic Church allows African priests to marry, did you know that? It is pretty much the only way they could get Africans to be priests, instead of importing white priests to Africa. It would be interesting to compare African abuse statistics(if there are any or if they are accurate, however I would assume they would be just as under-reported as in Europe, if not more so) with European statistics. There is a logical connection between forced celibacy and abuse, but I am not aware of any statistical analysis having been done, nor of any correlation found between them.

Why? (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072040)

Why should the catholic church try to fix it self, when blaming others has worked so well.

Granted it may just cause disbelief in most if you blame it on the jews [salon.com] or homosexuality [nydailynews.com] in some, but far more will believe it, especially in developing countries, the only place the church is still growing. And no I am not going to say that this proofs only non-educated people believe in god. That would not be nice. It would be the truth, but not nice.

Oh and remember, the mafia isn't real, it is a plot by communism to disrupt the west. Oh and the shroud, it is real. Never mind that nobody in the bible mentioned it. You think people would have noticed or not have bothered with the bloody shroud left on a decaying body. Mind you, there is a perfectly sensible reason why nobody at the time noticed it, IT DIDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN!

Denial, it is must be a wonderful place to live.

Re:Why? (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072596)

One reason religious groups do so well in very poor countries is that they are one of the few groups actually helping the poor. Their governments may not be able or willing to help so these groups fill that vacuum. Once people become more prosperous and their physical needs are already met all that is left are the people who are religious by nature which is a much smaller number.

Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (1)

FlopEJoe (784551) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072760)

These days, one rarely hears much about the good works of the church...

Is that because the church is not doing good works or that they are not being reported? I'm not defending the wrong doing in any way but the headline, "Priest in Pedo Probe" will beat, "Church feeds millions... just like last year" every time.

Just allow priests to marry already. (5, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071854)

It will largely take care of the pedophile problem and the dwindling number willing to be priests in one shot.

Priests marrying wasn't disallowed all throughout church history anyway, it was political nonsense to do away with questions of inheritance.

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (3, Insightful)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071962)

The Catholic Church is the last (Christian) religious institution to have the "sacred dogma" marketability. It's a very large bullet point on their sales presentation slide. "We have been around the longest. We are full of mystical, intriguing quirks that lend to our legitimacy."

Once they start giving in to modern concepts (and giving up dogmas), they begin to lose that essence and have less to compete against other Christian sects with.

It's also a great source of pride, however depraved that may seem.

So, they need to change slowly. They don't want to seem like some willy nilly religion that makes arbitrary rules. THEIR rules are from God.

If they were to change in the midst of this pedophile scandal, it would seem as a reaction to the scandal and not edict from Heaven. That would lose credibility among followers, priests (who've had to be celibate all this time), and those potential followers looking in.

In other words, the writing's on the wall, but the situation is delicate.

Sacred dogma = Law of mortal men from dark times (2, Funny)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072054)

In other words, the writing's on the wall, but the situation is celibate.

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (2, Funny)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072106)

Once they start giving in to modern concepts

Jews got married long before the christian era.

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (0, Flamebait)

Eamorr (1803236) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072772)

"They need to change" says the anonymous individual who writes on the interweb and thinks he knows better than the Catholic Church. Lol. Of course the Church has been changing since the year 0 A.D., it's just not the kind of "change" that you want to hear about and instead just stick your head in the sand and spout lah, lah rubbish. Go set up your own church seeing as you know better and see how long it takes you to get 1.1 billion followers.

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072784)

It's a very large bullet point on their sales presentation slide. "We have been around the longest. We are full of mystical, intriguing quirks that lend to our legitimacy."

Actually the Eastern Orthodox Church can trace a more direct lineage to the beginnings of Christianity than the Roman Catholic Church can.

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071972)

The requirement that priests remain celibate certainly both reduces the number of potential priests and also dramatically increases the chance that people who do join the priesthood will have unhealthy sexuality.

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (1)

UnxMully (805504) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072134)

The requirement that priests remain celibate certainly both reduces the number of potential priests and also dramatically increases the chance that people who do join the priesthood will have unhealthy sexuality.

Would they be allowed to be in a same-sex marriage? That would really set the cat amongst the pigeons...

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (0, Flamebait)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071990)

As the gay marriage discussion has shown there will be hordes of opposing zealots who don't want their concept of marriage tainted... Why would it be any different for this 'unholy heathen change' to religious marriage-code that might destroy both the religious pillars of marriage and celibacy?
We *know* this is a rational idea, so we can assume the church won't.

Oh yeah, and good point about the non-inheritance. But this holds for most doctrine... contrary to what I originally thought (and most people just assume) religion is shaped more by politics than anything even remotely religious. Most 'religious conflicts' are just political in nature with religion thrown in the mix to really get people bat-shit crazy and willing to do anything. So religion is actually a tool (a strong one) to better establish your political power.

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072426)

Relgion was (or is, in places) the direct equivalent and predecessor of what you perceive as "political power"; nothing less (certainly still strives to not just be a tool)

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (1)

zwei2stein (782480) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072000)

Indeed.

Adult with normal Sexual Urges that he can not satify and let public know about it is pretty much guarantted to take advantage of someone weak.

Similary, consider good well behaved catholic boy that does not really want relationship and sex with (adult)/(woman). Priesthood is perfect escape route: No more social pressure on "marrying and getting kids", likely to have few likeminded people around, authority power and access to kids... shudder.

Just let normal people become priests instead of sexually frustrated men or perverts.

Goodluckwiththat (1)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072028)

We're talking about a matter of doctrine here, not a matter of pragmatism. You're right that, from a pragmatic standpoint, it would largely just make more sense to allow priests to marry.

You're also right that the Roman Catholic church didn't always require priests to take the vow of celibacy. But, it became part of doctrine in the past, and now will be forever going forward.

The Church will stand by the position that you don't change doctrine because people don't like it. . . if someone wants to be a priest, then they need to conform to doctrine, not the other way around.

Re:Goodluckwiththat (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072078)

But, it became part of doctrine in the past, and now will be forever going forward.

Geocentricism forever!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model [wikipedia.org]

Re:Goodluckwiththat (4, Informative)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072278)

It's not a doctrine, it's an ecclesial law. Can be changed at a whim by one signature; wasn't even nearly a universal custom in the past (heck, around XIII century AFAI remember, when the Vatican envoy arrived in my area with the mission of sorting out actual introduction of celibacy...well, he did reasonably well in Czech; but in Poland he barely escaped with his life)

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072250)

A. I am not Catholic.
B. I agree with you but see A. so that doesn't matter all that much.

I asked a priest about that once. His response was.
"Your parish is your family. If you had a family of your own would have to suffer. Your personal family or your parish family."
I can see that point of view. I think it is not correct but I can at least understand where they are coming from.

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072536)

"Your coworkers are your family. If you also had a family of your own, one would have to suffer. Your personal family or your company family."

I think it is not correct but I can at least understand where they are coming from.

Corporate America?

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32072594)

Recent societal trends have made the priest gene nearly extinct; celibate people just aren't breeding as much as they used to.

Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072644)

As long as they equate the clergy with the vows of monkhood (celibacy) they will constantly handicap themselves. There is no need for it and no strong defense for it. Maybe a crisis that brings the church low will force its hand but even the child molestation crisis doesn't seem to be enough.

As a young person... (0, Flamebait)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071862)

I say fuck religion, especially Christianity. ESPECIALLY when it's French Christians.

Re:As a young person... (1)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072148)

I say fuck religion, especially Christianity. ESPECIALLY when it's French Christians.

Welp, just the response I expected...

I live in my mom's basement, but I'm 16.

Re:As a young person... (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072482)

fuck religion [...] I'm 16.

Careful with what you wish. You're a bit too old, but a priest could get confused.

too easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32071866)

pedos know the gravy train when they see it

Their friends list revealed! (2, Funny)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 4 years ago | (#32071898)

Boyscouts,Nambla,MichaelJackson,GarryGlitter,Archdiocese of Dublin Accept Invitation Y/N?

1200 fans (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072006)

1,200 fans in a week is amazingly low for facebook.

Some very stupid useless pages can get millions of fans in a week.

A modern variation on an FBI sting (5, Funny)

VShael (62735) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072020)

Bonjour, je m'appelle Chris Hanson.

Pourquoi n'avez-vous pas un siège de plus ici?

Huh? (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072052)

Wait, I thought Facebook was nothing but a hangout for pedophil...Ohhhhhhh, I get it. Nevermind.

ep?;! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32072086)

posts. TherE7ore Are you GAY

...to find priests (1)

Darth Sdlavrot (1614139) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072130)

They're easy to find. They're at the churches.

Oh. They want to find new priests

A kiss is not a contract... (1)

SeeSp0tRun (1270464) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072132)

and a fan is not a (potential) priest.

Church attractin young people? (1)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072144)

Sounds scaring!

Ob (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072158)

Won't somebody think of the children?

come on (1)

cryoman23 (1646557) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072166)

its not "become a fan" anymore its "like" get it right

1200 fans in one week is nothing (1)

norletsk (1567121) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072170)

Facebook fans are easier to collect than signatures for an online petition. Taking a week to get only 1200 people to click a button in support of the largest religion in the country is evidence that the campaign is NOT working, IMO

Note to Journalists (1)

keithpreston (865880) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072304)

Dear Journalists,
There are lies, damn lies, statistics and now facebook group sizes. All are meaningless but facebook groups are exceedingly meaningless. Although facebook might be the latest internet craze please get off your ass and do some real journalism. Please never quote how many people are in a facebook group again. I really don't care how many idiots clicked a viral marketing button because they have nothing better to do then drool over facebook updates all day at their computer/phone. Then again, you are probably quoting facebook because you are one of these people. Please at least stop writing for mediums outside of facebook and make the world a better place.

Thanks,
Keith

We don't need any more priests!! (2, Insightful)

JDSalinger (911918) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072400)

I like this quote from Sam Harris... "I've read the books. God is not a moderate. There's no place in the books where God says, 'You know, when you get to the New World and you develop your three branches of government and you have a civil society, you can just jettison all the barbarism I recommended in the first books.'"

Why do people still believe in Christianity? It is 2010. Must we propagate this insanity any further?

ban the organization? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32072404)

Social networks are already banning sex offenders right? Why aren't they banning organizations that harbor sex offenders? Surely that is a far worse offense, and probably would be shameful enough on the organizations that they might do something about it.

Cousin (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072540)

My cousin is a 28 year old Catholic priest and has a podcast. From the sounds of it, his diocese is really enjoying the youthful exuberance he's bringing to the area. All of us were a little boggled about the path he chose, but it seems to be working out nicely for him.

Children + Facebook * church = .... dangerous? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32072590)

After so many scandals of the church.
I'm realy not proud of the religion, i'd rather would protect the innocent against any books of so called wisdom.
A religion works only on the personal level, and beyond that a few steps higher it becomes politics, scandals and greed for power.
On the small scale i do understand people need religion (for life and death situations) for social and emotional peace.

On a the big scale explain me why doesnt the top of all the main religions come together and settle their differences.
There would be much more peace, around in the world.
And no i dont feel empty because i lost big faith in it, i think its the 21 century; mankind has become smarter.
We know what stars are, we cannt proof to explain it all; but then why should we?
I have totaly no need to understand darkmatter gods, or alians;
I mean beeing normal these days is complex enough to me.

But somehow i'm able to pickout those people who are normal too, almost on sight.

I therefor rather believe in real people, people who sometimes are bright examples of living a good life.
But sometimes are people who make small mistakes, as long as they dont become dangerous > is that atheism to believe in people?

Why facebook? (2, Insightful)

tomp1000 (1364927) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072638)

Why facebook? Why not somewhere more suited to finding a better selection of possible catholic priest candidates? Like 4chan for example?

Bad taste slashdot. (4, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072654)

This really falls in the So What List. The catholic church is looking for more priests whats new. So they are using Facebook as a tool. So what... A good for them.

Now this is just in bad taste for slashdot as it will only really be just a forum to make fun of problems that a religion is having.

This Ain't News for nerds, this isn't news for geeks, if you are not interested in joining the priesthood it doesn't even matter. You just wanted an other forum to make fun of catholics.

Did they mean Facebook (1)

Flaggday (1373017) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072666)

or is that a mis-spelling of Chat Roulette?

LFG (2, Funny)

Riddler Sensei (979333) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072684)

Church LF Priest. Need heals and good to go.

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32072694)

1200 fans in a week? Thats like nothing compared to well known groups.. American idle probably got like hundred of thousands the first week

Disgusting bigotted commentary (0, Troll)

Eamorr (1803236) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072702)

I've never seen so much bigotted commentary in all my life. Slashdotters ought to be ashamed of themselves. I wonder would you be so quick to poke fun at Jews? It seems anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice. The way ye are going on, you'd think the great Utopia that is secular society (you know, the one that you slashdotters subscribe to and pay taxes towards) had never produced a paedophile or a cover-upping bureaucrat. Anyway, despite the bigotted commentary, I get the distinct feeling that there's also a lot of begrudgery towards the Catholic Church (an institution that is incredibly wealthy). A Church that brings too much attention to the failings of the modern society that you live in. Facebook is facilitating the Church to spread her message. No big deal. The message hasn't changed all that much - it's just the medium is slightly different. And it's obviously working: this year, the year of priests, vocations are up and are rising steadily. Some seminaries who haven't had students for over 10 years have students in their lecture halls once again.

Their own bible condems them (2, Interesting)

bflong (107195) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072808)

1 Timothy 4:1-5:
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5 for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

Note how it says forbidding to marry is a teaching inspired my demons. I mean, wow, don't they read their own book?

Sorry, but I can't resist... (1)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 4 years ago | (#32072860)

So how have they set in up? Once some guy has tried to "Friend" more than 100 tween boys he's never met before, does the Catholic Church automatically send him a pre-approved application form for entry into the priesthood?

Credit card companies have something like that set up for people with bad credit, so it seems like a good way for the church to save time it might waste rejecting all the women and married men who might want to be priests.

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