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Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the acta-ing-up-up-there dept.

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whisper_jeff writes "News has come out that Prime Minister Stephen Harper is planning on bringing the DMCA to Canada. As a Canadian, this disgusts me. Watching Harper sell out Canadians in favour of US lobby groups is an affront. I am hopeful that enough Canadians write to Harper and their MPs to voice their disapproval of this effort."

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Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (4, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104830)

Wouldn't that be "Another Stab At a Canadian DMC'eh?"

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (5, Insightful)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104970)

As a Canadian I am usually pretty nonviolent. But I have had enough of this asshole! Would somebody please take a stab at Harper?
He does not represent me, or anyone I know.
I think it is time for a revolution.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105090)

I think it is time for eh? revolution.

FTFY

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (4, Insightful)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105152)

It's got to suck to see all of those "Canada is a US state/protectorate/pawn" digs gain traction, eh?

I'm surprised this hasn't become a huge political liability for him. Wouldn't it take just one commercial showing how he bends the country over for his "American corporate masters" to get him out of office?

Canada, you're supposed to be the sane one in this relationship. Don't make us hit you.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (2, Insightful)

z4ns4stu (1607909) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105190)

Since you have a British-style parliament, aren't you able to do things like votes of no confidence to get rid of a PM (or any MP, for that matter)? That's a far sight better than what most of the U.S. states have -- wait for the term to expire and hope like hell you can get another candidate with better name recognition on the ballot.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105318)

Won't work. The opposition can't get the votes to form the government. And what politician in their right mind would want to have an election over copyright law?

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (4, Insightful)

Jerry Rivers (881171) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105368)

Canada already has a minority government and the alternative, a Liberal government, would be no better. Canadians already know this and this why the Tories they have been elected multiple times. The last time the Libs threatened a vote of no confidence they dropped in the polls to a near-record low. Canadians are sick of expensive elections too close together, and minority governments that only last six months.

If anybody actually thinks that putting the Liberals in power will really change anything, they are just fooling themselves. They would just cripple the armed forces then end up doing exactly the same thing the Tories are doing now with copyright law.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105396)

What armed forces?
Your entire airforce is a few squadrons of F-18s.

Might as well get rid of that too.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (3, Insightful)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105428)

I am not advocating a change of government. I firmly believe that a minority government, such as we have now, at least prevents anyone from really fucking things up. Personally I advocate throwing the party leaders out on their collective asses. Lord knows they have proven time and time again they they can not work or play well with others.

I can not think of one that would be out of place working on a seedy used car lot.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105712)

They would just cripple the armed forces...

You have those? What are they for, to protect your Tim Horton's outlets?

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105972)

"Canada already has a minority government and the alternative, a Liberal government, would be no better."

Honestly, I don't particularly care which party is in power at this point, as long as they continue to be a minority government, because it makes the politicians more accountable than usual. They neither want to trigger an election nor pass legislation that too many people oppose. It's great because they have to pay attention to public opinion and they have to get along in parliament, otherwise we'll take it out on them at the polls.

Had it been a majority government any time in the last 5 years we'd already have DMCA-style copyright law in Canada.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (2, Insightful)

fyoder (857358) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105374)

Since you have a British-style parliament, aren't you able to do things like votes of no confidence to get rid of a PM (or any MP, for that matter)?

No confidence would bring down the government. Then there would be an election, and because the left is split and Canadians collectively are too daft to vote strategically, even though the Conservatives only have 34% support last poll I looked at, they'd still get the most votes and we'd be right back where we are now.

What's required isn't a revolution, but a coalition such as that proposed after the last election. But the Liberals backed down. It's not difficult to see why they are so unpopular. A coalition would have represented the will of the Canadian people, the majority of which voted left of centre. The sooner the Liberal party gets rid of Ignatieff and replaces him with someone with some backbone, the better it will be for both the Liberals and the people of Canada.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

arekusu_ou (1344373) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105726)

Uhm....the US has a vote of no confidence too. Unfortunately the only time in my lifetime that was exercised was over some sexual scandal and not say.....traitorous actions like Bush.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105258)

Sure, but who are you going to get as alternative? Corrupted Liberals just left of the Conservatives and just as bad; or the NDP looking to socialize everything and bring financial burdens for generations to come?

Knowing Canadians, a revolution is not going to happen.

Be glad you're Canadian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105260)

I think it is time for a revolution.

On this side of the border, the Feds would be all over you by now, for advocating violent overthrow of der government.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

dubbreak (623656) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105302)

I have to agree. As a west coaster I have been generally displeased with pretty much all government we've had to date (they tend to favour the political views of Ontario and Quebec), but I honestly hate Harper. It goes beyond his ridiculous policies. He is not very Canadian.

Of course I don't even like the way the guy looks, what with his beady little eyes and blank stare. Did you see footage of him at the 2010 Olympics? The guy had no emotion displayed on his face whatsoever. At least Gordon Campbell, the British Columbia Premier (who I am really not fond of either but for other reasons), was grinning and jumping around, banging on a drum.. while he pushed the limit to being nearly goofy at least he showed some personality. There front and center, best seat in the house, the Prime Minister sat with a look on his face like he'd rather be receiving an enema.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105372)

Also a west coaster here. Gordon Campbell's death needs to come more slowly. Preferably televised so everyone in BC can enjoy it.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105480)

I have to agree. As a west coaster I have been generally displeased with pretty much all government we've had to date (they tend to favour the political views of Ontario and Quebec

Educate this ignorant person from South of the (Canadian) Border, if you will. How do the political views of Ontario and Quebec differ from those of BC?

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105932)

From a Displaced BC native living in Oregon,
Much the same as how in the US the political views in the northeastern states (and around Washington, DC) are different than the political views are in Washington state and Oregon. It is a differing view of the country, really. I have met and talked to many back east that have an attitude that Oregon is still 'the Wild West'. The view of BC/Alberta from Quebec and Ontario echoes that sentiment.
Also, there is different emphasis on political platforms. While Universal Healthcare is most important in some places, the economy is WAY more important in Oregon (high unemployment). Environmental concerns are higher in the West (probably because we still have lots more open, untapped space than the tightly knit cities and states on the Eastern seaboard). The western states also seem to be a little more liberal than their eastern counterparts, where all the money/power/large corporations seem to be centered.

Just a Canuck's opinion, though.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105352)

He does not represent me, or anyone I know.

Welcome to America.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (2, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105364)

Why not just put a pie in his face? It seems like that's almost par for the course, with reports like this [youtube.com] .

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (2)

ve3 (1805166) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105542)

As another non-violent (usually) Canadian, I welcome this opportunity to tell my MP's that if they vote for this piece of monkey poo, I will do whatever I can to make sure they are never elected again.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105604)

That's because he's elected to represent a safe riding in Alberta.

If you want representation, look to your local MP.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (2, Insightful)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105664)

I think it is time for a revolution.

Oh please! Why don't you count the votes first? He didn't force his way in.. unless the CIA was somehow behind it

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105678)

I think it is time for a revolution.

You had your chance back in '76 (1776, that is). On the other hand, had you revolted back then, you probably wouldn't have decent public health care and you'd probably have your capital in D.C., so maybe it's for the better.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

arekusu_ou (1344373) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105714)

How did he get into office then?

electoral boundaries (2, Informative)

Chirs (87576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105874)

The Prime Minister is not elected directly, he's simply the head of the party that got the most seats.

Currently the Conservatives are the government, but they don't hold a majority of seats in the house of Commons, so to get anything passed they need to convince at least some representatives of the other parties that it's a good idea.

The Conservatives were largely elected because of a happen-stance of how electoral boundaries are drawn. For instance, I myself live in the city but my electoral district includes a lot of rural area. The rural area tends to vote Conservative, so my own vote for _any_ other party is basically worthless.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (0, Troll)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105794)

When in Canada, I always vote Conservative or Libertarian, no way in Hell will I ever vote for the Liberals, Green or whatever, and you cannot stab me enough times with a knife for me to ever vote NDP, it's just impossible.

However I do not like Harper for this kind of behavior, but at least he is an accountant or economist of some sort, that at least is better than a lawyer, he knows something about money.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

scorp1us (235526) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105072)

As an American, visiting Canada, I was surprised by how many DON'T say 'eh?' It seems to be of French Canadian origin and used by adults, around retirement age. I spoke to a lot of people, and even went to on of the biggest malls in the world (the mall in Edmonton) and never did I hear 'eh?'

Also, the usage seems to be only when they are asking for permission to continue, when they have [pre]supposed a fact and they expect the answer to be in the affirmative. Any time there was a legitimate question, it was never followed with 'eh'. And whenever I actually said 'no', to an 'eh?' it was followed by surprise.

Now the whole thing about 'aboot' is dead on and not exaggerated in the slightest. Also, 'aroond'.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105206)

We don't do it in front of foreigners

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105256)

We say "about" just like you do, unless you come from the deep "saouth".

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

atomic777 (860023) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105328)

Thank you -- now please go back home and tell your friends, so that I don't have to see stale "eh?" jokes every time Canada is mentioned...

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105610)

Not sure about down east, but in the prairies it's generally "hey" or "huh"

That was a good game, (hey | huh)?

It might get slurred out to:
Was a good game, ey? or "that was a good game, uh"?

It's more for questions that you know the person you're asking is already in agreement with, not for actual questions. That's my experience at least.

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105632)

I should also mention, I've never heard "aboot" in my life. it's always "abowt". Do you say it somehow very strange that makes abowt sound like aboot?

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (2, Interesting)

compro01 (777531) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105906)

The effect is called Canadian raising [wikipedia.org] . It's partially dependent on the listener. Someone who speaks in the same manner (other Canadians, people from the northwest states and New England, some Brits) will hear it as "abowt" as normal, whereas someone who speaks it differently may hear it as "aboat" or "aboot".

Re:Another Stab At a Canadian DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105294)

Does harper really think he can just slip this past everyone like Bush did the patriot act etc etc.

DMC- (0)

useless4321 (1497401) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104832)

eh?

Re:DMC- (1)

useless4321 (1497401) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104880)

*sigh* nevermind, wrongsizeglass beat me to it

Re:DMC- (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104976)

You're just useless, aren't you?

Perhaps you should check your priorities... (1)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104836)

Would it be ok if they were selling you guys out to Canadian lobby groups?

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32104872)

Such a prospect assumes that there exists Canadian IP that is worth protecting.

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32104916)

Typically moreso than American

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (3, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104918)

Such a prospect assumes that there exists Canadian IP that is worth protecting.

Isn't William Shatner [wikipedia.org] worth protecting?

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (2, Informative)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104954)

I think Celine Dion, William Shatner, Bryan Adams, and Nickelback would beg to differ!

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (3, Funny)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104988)

Exactly! We need to protect everyone from the horrors of Nickleback. Perhaps we should give them 300 year copyright?

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104990)

Such a prospect assumes that there exists Canadian IP that is worth protecting.

I think Celine Dion, William Shatner, Bryan Adams, and Nickelback would beg to differ!

They must have a fairly low opinion of themselves, eh?

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105054)

Let's see, were Celine Dion, William Shatner, Bryan Adams, and Nickelback working with American or Canadian companies when they created their work?

OK I see. Enough said.

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105618)

I think Celine Dion, William Shatner, Bryan Adams, and Nickelback would beg to differ!

And that bitch Anne Murray too...

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (-1, Troll)

dubbreak (623656) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105188)

Such a prospect assumes that there exists Canadian IP that is worth protecting.

I assume this comment means you have recently attempted to watch a Canadian film.

Canadian films are a lot like British films, only lower budget, a lot less witty and the accents are funny instead of charming..

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (-1, Redundant)

dubbreak (623656) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105426)

Unfunny perhaps, but not a troll. As a Canadian it's my right to criticize and point fun at Canadian films.

Re:Perhaps you should check your priorities... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105430)

Don't you dare besmirch Bryan Adams and Celine Dion! Besmirch Nickelback all you want, though.

Been waiting... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32104838)

I'm quite disgusted also. I've been emailing the office of the prime minister for over two months in regards to the ACTA. It is quite pathetic they cannot even take the time to address an issue in the active public eye. Even a generic spin would be nice. All I've been asking for is some information on the stance of my own government.

We as Canadians should lobby. This is a disgust that the Harper government is not taking into account the will of the people whatsoever.

Re:Been waiting... (3, Insightful)

rsborg (111459) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105228)

All I've been asking for is some information on the stance of my own government.

What we're witnessing, I fear, is the broadcast model of government: You and your country's wealth are the product, to be sold to the highest bidding corporation(s). We've had this system in the USA for quite some time, and it's been great for the Corporations.

Join the Canadian Pirate Party (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32104846)

Along with writing your MP, you could also get involved in the Canadian Pirate Party [pirateparty.ca] .

Don't let 'em, congress! (5, Funny)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104848)

I hope our US congress claims copyright over the DMCA and files a takedown notice on you Canadians. Stealing our horrible draconian legislation? You wish!

Canadians taking action..... (0, Offtopic)

irreverant (1544263) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104860)

Upset with your prime minister, protesting policy change.... hmmm... sounds slightly American-ish.

Re:Canadians taking action..... (1, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104902)

Actually, being upset with your PM sounds a lot more British than American. Being pissed off because your President has dark skin -- now THAT'S American!

Re:Canadians taking action..... (1, Troll)

irreverant (1544263) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104942)

I'm just surprised their doing something.... i mean it's Canada.

Sell-out (5, Insightful)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104868)

Watching Harper sell out Canadians in favour of US lobby groups is an affront.

If it makes you feel any better, watching our own Congress sell out all of us who live in the United States to US lobby groups was just as bad.

Re:Sell-out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105038)

Also annoying: People calling this a DMCA clone, when really it's just an implementation of the WIPO Copyright Treaty [wikipedia.org] .

We need to give the UN more credit for the huge copyright cluster-fuck we're in. It's not all the fault of the U.S.

Re:Sell-out (1)

OrwellianLurker (1739950) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105076)

Watching Harper sell out Canadians in favour of US lobby groups is an affront.

If it makes you feel any better, watching our own Congress sell out all of us who live in the United States to US lobby groups was just as bad.

Yes, US lobbying groups, who represent multinational corporations, own our Congress.

Re:Sell-out (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105880)

It can't be that bad.. After all, you watch your congress sell you out time after time, and yet, you punish them by reelecting them to office time after time. The job must be really horrible to subject them to this kind of treatment..

Stab the Canadian DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32104876)

Make sure to stab it in the heart, with a wooden stake. Otherwise, the hundred-year-old copyrights will continue to live.

Ok, really? (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104900)

Ok, looking at what the US DMCA has done, can you really say its improved the US in any way? Lets see here, thanks to the DMCA we now have judges wasting their time on victimless crimes, record companies still screwing artists and a rush of high-tech jobs out of the US.

The DMCA hinders education, harms jobs and makes developing in China and India even better. Why Canada would even consider such a terrible piece of legislation is beyond me.

Re:Ok, really? (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104930)

Why Canada would even consider such a terrible piece of legislation is beyond me.

Its probably something stupid like a bargaining chip in the softwood lumber tarrif disputes or some such nonsense.

Re:Ok, really? (5, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104946)

Considering we have strict copyright laws already in existence and a levy system on most blank media. This is stupid, idiotic, and removes the right that you "own" a device. And I'm a member of the CPC who votes at delegate conventions. I guess it's physical letter writing time to my MP and others again, along with some other things.

Re:Ok, really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105000)

Please post any and all responses that you get.

Re:Ok, really? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105438)

When I sent in a letter to my MP against Bill C61, I got a form letter back. It was an email actually, and this time I will send a physical letter.

Re:Ok, really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105474)

A tax on blank media - well that solves everything. I wonder how the proceeds are distributed?

Since I am going to speculate that the majority of the music burned on these blank CDs originates with artists working for American or other international companies, the lion's share of the tax collected on blank media is sent south of the border?

Right

Re:Ok, really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105194)

Victimless crime? I assume you are talking about the unauthorized duplication of copyrighted material?

Can you explain the victimless part?

I always thought of victimless crime more along the lines of spending a moment or two with a "professional lady"

Thanks

Suggested Text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32104910)

Dear Mr. Prime Minister;

Please immediately cease and desist any activities which might imped our ability to leech off the American entertainment industry...

A concerned Canuck

Re:Suggested Text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32104938)

Do you feel lucky [google.com] ?

If no one will say it, I will...... (0, Troll)

irreverant (1544263) | more than 4 years ago | (#32104994)

In America - we take to the streets, create mobs with mob mentality, and burn shit down. In Canada - they talk about talking about protesting, and threaten by saying " I guess it's physical letter writing time".... careful canada, you guy's are dangerous.

Re:If no one will say it, I will...... (2, Funny)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105132)

careful canada, you guy's are dangerous.

Hey, you've obviously never spent any time in one of those wild Canadian border towns. Take in the Donkey Show at West Lynne, Manitoba some time and you'll see how dangerous those Canucks can be.

Re:If no one will say it, I will...... (1)

irreverant (1544263) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105142)

Is it anything like the Donkey show in Tijuana?

Canada...an incredible country (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105016)

Canada has always fascinated me. If Americans were to close his/her eyes then open them when in Canada, they would not notice that much of a difference. Exceptions would be in the currency and the way they spell some of their words like "neighbour".

But on a serious note, none of the big tech companies in the USA launch their products across the border.

Heck, setting up an online store to charge Canadians the full price of say the HTC Incredible would not hurt the vendor. All costs/risks etc could be met by the purchaser...but big store companies will not even take orders from Canadians!

Why? You would wonder...why? Can a Slashdotter explain? Is it Canada's fault that the situation is this way?

Re:Canada...an incredible country (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105182)

"Canada has always fascinated me. If Americans were to close his/her eyes then open them when in Canada, they would not notice that much of a difference. Exceptions would be in the currency and the way they spell some of their words like "neighbour"."

Yeah..but if you go up there and and say publicly that "I think [insert racial, sexual orientation, etc type slang] suck" and you can actually get busted for "hate speech".

Re:Canada...an incredible country (1)

Jerry Rivers (881171) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105236)

The chances of anybody getting "busted for hate speech" are close to zero. Canadians love free speech as much as anyone. It's even enshrined in their constitution.

Re:Canada...an incredible country (2, Interesting)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105262)

"The chances of anybody getting "busted for hate speech" are close to zero."

Anything above zero...is too much, IMHO.

Re:Canada...an incredible country (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105552)

Obviously, the right to publicly hate on minorities (or majorities) is totally awesome! I love societies where you're allowed to publicly insight violence by repeatedly loudly shouting shit like: "Blacks are are lazy bums that cause all our problems"
  and "Jews own the banks and they caused the GFC (The blacks told them to do it)" that kind of stuff should TOTALLY be legal!!

I wouldn't want to live in a country where I couldn't say that!!

PS. I live in Australia. Seriously, getting busted for hate speech is hard. You *really* have to go all out and say some pretty ridiculous shit. And you have to say it a lot. You probably have to have it recorded on video too. And someone has to get offended and actually report it.

Re:Canada...an incredible country (1)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105612)

PS. I live in Australia.

Then you have very little moral authority on the matter of freedom of speech, or many other freedoms for that matter.

Re:Canada...an incredible country (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105198)

There are legal problems. First of all, the product would need to have labelling in French and English. Second, for telecomm products, the Canadian equivalent to the FCC needs to approve it. If there is media involved, then it has to have a certain % of Canadian content, by law. Then there's customs and duty.

These are not insurmountable problems, but most U.S. companies figure the market is too small (only 30 mil people) for them to bother putting in the extra effort.

Re:Canada...an incredible country (1)

atomic777 (860023) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105420)

I think it is mostly due to laziness on the part of American businesses and the administrative headache of dealing with different country-level regulations.

There are two markets for the American MBA: America, and not-America. When your average PHB looks at the potential money to be made in Canada selling products/services, he looks at it as going through a whole lot of effort to gain an (English-speaking) market a bit bigger than Texas (Quebec brings Canada's population up to 34m, but adding another language to the mix makes it even less desirable)

Once a business has saturated the US market and is looking to expand abroad, that's when we seem to get the goods, although I'm increasingly seeing US businesses bypass Canada and head for the UK market first.

This often works in reverse though -- many European businesses look at Canada as pseudo-European (or America-lite, depending on your viewpoint) and will test out products here first. For example, the Smart car was available in Canada long before it was available down in the US.

Re:Canada...an incredible country (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105488)

>> and the way they spell some of their words like "neighbour". ...and what makes you incorrectly presume that the US is the reference authority of the English language? Actually its the US that is the odd country out when it comes to spelling English words properly.

Re:Canada...an incredible country (1)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105748)

If Americans were to close his/her eyes then open them when in Canada, they would not notice that much of a difference. Exceptions would be in the currency and the way they spell some of their words like "neighbour".

They'd see more hockey, too but, other than that, yeah...

Re:Canada...an incredible country (1)

ADRA (37398) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105828)

I don't know what the heck you're trying to say about "HTC Incredible" full price. The Incredible isn't available in Canada because nobody is selling it here yet. HTC has to choose to open the retail chain supply for Canada, Google has to bless their part of the deal which is the apps / market, a store has to be compelled to actually carry the phone, and buyers have to be compelled to buy them. On top of that there's the fed who can hold up any device from being used (aka sold) in Canada if the device was never certified for electrical interference, etc..

The question why 'Enter some product here' isn't available in Canada (or any other countries not already supported) usually comes down to 2 reasons:
1. The market rewards aren't big enough to justify the hurdles of entering the market
2. Said company wants to market the product in said country, but haven't met all the regulatory or market limitations needed to make a compelling entry into the market

For your example of the Incredible, the most likely reason why it isn't in Canada is because they probably haven't found a carrier to subsidize the phone day one. Why wasn't the iPhone not sold in Canada for a year after being available in the US? The reason is probably the same. Until they had a carrier agreement with Rogers, no iPhones were sold directly to customers in Canada.

"But on a serious note, none of the big tech companies in the USA launch their products across the border."
This is just wrong. Get educated or stop making inflammatory comments.

"but big store companies will not even take orders from Canadians"
Many companies couldn't be bothered to support Canada or other nations because of the stupidly complex system of taxation, levies, surcharges, etc.. that a company needs to jump through in order to properly sell any products across borders directly to consumers. Besides the few retailers online like Paypal / Amazon, there aren't many services that will offer to buy / sell products from/to anywhere in the world.

-1, Redundant (1)

Andorin (1624303) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105032)

The ACTA will do that anyway.

Remember the plagiarised report on copyright? (4, Informative)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105088)

a deceptive, plagiarized report on the digital economy that copied text from the International Intellectual Property Alliance (the primary movie, music, and software lobby in the U.S.) [michaelgeist.ca] , at times without full attribution. The report itself was funded by copyright lobby groups (U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Canadian Chamber of Commerce, Canadian Anti-Counterfeiting Network, Copyright Collective of Canada which represents U.S. film production) along with the Ontario Ministry of Research and Innovation. The role of the Ontario government obviously raises questions about taxpayer dollars being used to pay for a report that simply recycles the language of a U.S. lobby group paper.

Take the time to write your MP (4, Informative)

Fuji Kitakyusho (847520) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105162)

I became aware of this while reading Michael Geist's blog this morning (http://www.michaelgeist.ca/) - a good resource for information about copyright law, privacy matters and so forth. I'm in the process of composing a letter to my MP right now, and I encourage all of the Canadians here to follow suit. Only by voicing your concerns can you be an agent of change.

The Deal Is Done (4, Insightful)

mindbrane (1548037) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105226)

It's unlikely to do any good lobbying Harper. Harper's unfulfilled dream is to be President of the U.S.A. He's as much big business, especially big oil business, as any American President could be. Further Harper's modus operandi demands he serve the wishes of the copyright lobby. His use of the media to cast his opponents in the worst possible light is his guiding star as a politician. He's a consummate sophist, seemingly utterly without any philosophy, other than to win and hold onto power. He has done cameos in various popular TV shows in slick, self deprecating clips. A politician who relies as heavily on superficial, mass media self promotion as does Harper will cut a wink 'n nod, tacit deal with big media companies. I think it's critically important to note the heavy use politicians in all countries make of mass media to further their political agendas. In the U.S.A. a loop is closing around the American citizenry. Big government, the military industrial complex and big, mass media corporations comprise an unholy trinity. In Canada the military industrial complex is missing but the possible crippling of the rights of individual citizens remains as much of a threat as corporations are given greater entitlements while being able to shield themselves from just punishments for their wrong doings. Two main problems come from the need to create jobs and compete internationally. Politicians need job creation programmes to bring home the bacon to their constituents and big business can deliver massive job creation programmes as well as threaten massive job losses. Further the majority of advanced, industrialized countries seemed to have opted for promoting mega corporations as a new, privileged class akin to medieval knights whose resources better ensure successful international competition.

How can the internet get involved? (1)

Hovden (1529715) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105234)

I'm not Canadian, nor is most of the internet. However, I feel the internet can have big influence. Slashdot culture is well aware of this. So I ask, how can I (and others) get involved? There is a world of literate people who will get involved.

buh-bye isohunt (1)

el chief (1768752) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105238)

I guess this would mean the end of isohunt? a great canadian torrent tracker

What? You think the DCMA don't apply to canadians? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105246)

Eh here I'm gonna go and shatter your frost-induced illusions. It won't change a thing because the DCMA already apply to canadians for actions done against US interests. Since most of the companies DCMA apply for are US based you can already be tried and extradited to the US. Also the law isn't even passed - laws are like a lawsuit - just because you bring one up doesn't mean you will win/get it passed. So why should you listen to me ? I get sued a lot under the DCMA, so I know a bit how the DCMA works.

- John Doe

yes yes, harper eats babies, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105264)

1) Please keep in mind this needs more than the conservatives' votes to pass, i.e. you need to make sure all MPs understand we will not stand for it
2) History has shown that other parties aren't immune to this pandering.

Canada copyrights laws are already stronger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105440)

For example, showing a 1 second part of a movie in a classroom isn't considerer fair use.

Canadians users pay a levy on each things that could be used to circumvent copyrights such as ipods, blank medias, cd players, dvd players etc... so the law assume you are guilty before you even start to use your hardware. You have to pay a royalty on the books used in education in addition to their base cost (about 6 US$ per student in high school) just so you can have a course based on the contents of that book (refering to the book as in see example 3.12 on page 156 require payment... it's not considered faire use in Canada). Canada has a full-time copyright board. Canada has copyright "collectives" (ie: lobbyist) who receive subsidies from the federal government. Canada has a well established royalty system - and most of them go to the artist - for example a small public performance cost for a song is 346$ and most of it go to the author of the song. Canadians don't have a parody exception for copyrights - the courts have confirmed that several time. Terms for copyrights are much longer in Canada than in the US (ie: life + 50)

Sorry if it was too long and you didn't read!

Write to Stephen Harper (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105662)

For those Canadians that visit Slashdot, I'd suggest writing to Stephen Harper and letting him know of your stance on DMCA. I'm sure there is more informed people on this site than in his cabinet. Voting him out is a long term solution, but letting them know what you think is something you can do right now.

Here is his contact information:

Email Address
pm@pm.gc.ca

Mailing Address
The Right Honourable Stephen Harper
Prime Minister of Canada
Office of the Prime Minister
80 Wellington Street
Ottawa, ON
Canada
K1A 0A2

Phone Number
(613) 992-4211

Fax Number
(613) 941-6900

Takedowns are _not_ a creature of the DMCA (2)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105718)

The DMCA DRM provisions are pernicious (though not as powerful as most here seem to believe). The DMCA "Safe Harbor" provisions are not. Takedowns would exist without them. However, without "Safe Harbor" they would not have to follow a prescribed form, there would be no counter-takedown procedure, there would be no 30 day deadline for filing for infringement, and most important of all, service providers would be liable even if they complied with takedowns. The DMCA Safe Harbor does not expand the rights or powers of copyright owners in any way. On the contrary, it reduces them. Without the DMCA there would be no YouTube.

Unfortunately from what I have seen the DMCA-like statutes proposed in other countries seems to only expand the rights and powers of copyright owners without providing any additional protection for users. Don't let them pass. If that puts you in violation of TRIPS, tough. Withdraw from the damn thing: it's crap. If you must enact a local DMCA, at least make sure it goes no farther than the US one does (and insist that it create a fair use right if you don't already have one and does not reduce it if you do).

Harper is CANADIAN ENEMY #1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105742)

Harper is an idiot, behead the fucker

What, AGAIN? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32105896)

What the heck happened to all the public feedback they got in the last year via the copyright consultations [ic.gc.ca] ? There were thousands of comments. Was it not clear enough that we don't want copyright to be the way that it was implemented in the U.S.?

Time to write another letter to my MP and Tony Clement (Minister of Industry).

I sent this: (2, Interesting)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#32105960)

To the contact provided on this web link [pm.gc.ca] and I bet this will put a fat dent in it coming to fruition:

Mr. Harper,

Speaking as an American citizen, I'm glad you are selling out to our interests. I love having more slaves indebted to our system and YOU especially make a rather appropriate addition to our collection of sockpuppets with no real power or intelligence.

Keep up the good work, and bring me more slaves to do our bidding!

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