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Linux Users Donate Twice As Much As Windows Users, On Average

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the interesting-data-points dept.

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sammyF70 writes "The Wolfire/Humble Indie Bundle real time statistics have been updated to show the average amount donated per platform. It looks like Linux users donate twice as much, on average, as Windows users. You can see some graphs on the Wolfire blog."

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I wonder ... (4, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133202)

If this is counting Window's Users "donations" to Microsoft, McAfee ....

Windows users already pay through the nose, so they don't have anything leftover to donate.

Re:I wonder ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133308)

Who pays for Symantec/McAfee? Most people "think" they're protected but don't realize their free one-year trial expired two years ago. That pop-up that appears at boot caused by the AV program warning that it's inactive and that the subscription needs to be reactivated? Hah, you've got to be kidding if you think many people let that thing stay up long enough to read any more words than "McAfee" or "Symantec" before closing it to get it the hell out of the way. And some others pirate the anti-virus software. Don't even wanna think about what kind of nasty stuff can be found in pirated copies of anti-virus software...

Actually, I'd rather get a machine infected by genuine malware than destroy a system by installing one of the above-mentioned anti-virus programs, legally or illegally. But I'd take common sense, a hardware firewall and NO AV over either any day.

Re:I wonder ... (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#32135268)

You all do know that the statistics are based on voluntary reports from the buyers? Therefore it makes a lot more sense for Linux users to fill that to promote Linux along the way. Windows users will just download the game and never fill the "what OS you use form"

* I did also buy that package, it has great games. But please do not delude yourself.

Re:I wonder ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32135388)

Yes. How many users here have actually bought the package? This is the page after you have bought the pack http://img408.yfrog.com/img408/5660/humbleos.png [yfrog.com] Many Windows users will not bother with the form, but Linux users do to fill the graph. That's because it's not real stats.

Re:I wonder ... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#32135716)

Hell, I didn't know about it, so I've never bought it!! I'm not a real game player, I mostly just play the free games that come through the repositories. I've heard of Goo, but never played it. The others, I've not even heard of!!

I may give them a try, and see what I think of them.

Re:I wonder ... (3, Informative)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#32136954)

That is why I highly recommend Comodo Internet Security [comodo.com] as it is free for personal use, so no subscriptions to run out, low resource ( according to process explorer it is using a whole 15Mb and 0% CPU while running both the firewall and AV) and most importantly IT WORKS. I have relatives that are "clicky clicky" happy and will pick up more viruses than a Bangkok Whore, and Comodo has kept their machines squeaky clean.

Now as for TFA, I'd have some questions before I'd believe their "results", for example-What percentage of those that donate don't list their OS? Does their game equally appeal to Windows users? How many Windows users have downloaded the game? does their product mainly appeal to those looking for free stuff?

I know that this is the first time I've ever heard of this bunch, and looking at their "games list" here [wolfire.com] I don't see anything that would really appeal to a Windows user. Lets be honest here folks, it isn't like Windows users are hurting for quality top notch games. From Good Old Games [gog.com] to Steam, from the Amazon bargain bin to the latest AAA titles, it isn't like Windows users have to scour the backwoods of the Internet for games. My guess is since there is less Linux games it is simply easier to get noticed on that platform, whereas we Windows gamers frankly have games coming out our ears and don't really look much at the indy stuff unless it makes a big splash like World of Goo.

Re:I wonder ... (-1, Redundant)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133956)

I was going to say that, but there's no sense in redundantly stating the obvious :)

If it is accurate (1)

h00manist (800926) | more than 4 years ago | (#32135630)

If correct, these stats could be interesting, and worth investigating more. They could also be a bundle of meaningless misleading numbers, as many are. However, I would say the developers themselves will, in their sales history numbers, have much more data, which will show more relevant results.

Re:I wonder ... (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134700)

Windows users already pay through the nose, so they don't have anything leftover to donate.

The economies of scale in building for a platform with a 90% market share are enormous.

WalMart - the world's largest and most aggressive deep discount retailer - has never been able to significantly undercut the OEM Windows system on price or features.

The naive user running MSE with automatic updates enabled was left unscathed by Cornflicker and Alureon.
     

Re:I wonder ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32136216)

It was all me!

I bought one set for $50 (using Linux) then set up a script to buy a thousand copies for $0.01 on my Windows Virtual Box.

Re:I wonder ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32136742)

Or maybe Windows users are not used to the idea of paying for games.

Not surprising... (5, Interesting)

maugle (1369813) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133204)

Linux has fewer games than Windows, so games would be more highly valued by Linux users than Windows users.

Re:Not surprising... (4, Informative)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133262)

The Windows donations still account for more than half.

Re:Not surprising... (4, Interesting)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134080)

Still, very nearly 50% of the money contributed is coming from OS X and Linux. Whether it's because those users are more affluent, more inclined to buy games, or just happy to support any development on their platform, the numbers show there's a substantial market to be tapped. Studies like this are exactly the thing marketing departments want to see.

And it couldn't have come at a better time: Steam's imminent release on OS X and Linux is about to make cross-platform development substantially easier. While it's hardly the Year of Gaming Linux, it would be nice to remember 2010 as the year we started chipping away at Microsoft's PC gaming monopoly.

Re:Not surprising... (1)

Boldoran (1660753) | more than 4 years ago | (#32137122)

While it would be nice to conclude that Linux / Mac users are just nice people I don't think this is the only possible conclusion. I suspect many Linux users are a bit older (as in old enough to have a job) which leads to them having some money. Whereas your average kid with no money will tiyically have acces to the Family Computer running Windows.

Re:Not surprising... (1)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | more than 4 years ago | (#32137264)

The evidence for Steam on Linux is very thin, at best.

Re:Not surprising... (3, Interesting)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134550)

And what's the Windows marketshare on the desktop? Probably at least 100 times that of Linux. So, if charity were equal, you'd expect Windows users to cover at least 85% of donations.

That's not even counting people who buy while at work, on their office-supplied Windows machine, while intending to use the games on Mac or Linux. Or those who primarily use Linux or Mac, but dual-boot Windows to play games.

Re:Not surprising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32135306)

And what's the Windows marketshare on the desktop? Probably at least 100 times that of Linux.

Yeah, that's right. So... If Linux marketshare is say, 2.7% of the market, then Windows probably has 270% of the market! That's just how awesome it is!

Re:Not surprising... (1)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 4 years ago | (#32135444)

and how many in that market share play games?

Re:Not surprising... (2, Insightful)

bheekling (976077) | more than 4 years ago | (#32136192)

How many in the Linux/OSX marketshare play games?

Re:Not surprising... (3, Informative)

RMingin (985478) | more than 4 years ago | (#32135800)

Actually, as someone who actually BOUGHT the bundle in TFA, I'd like to make note that the OS reporting is voluntary, not linked to the OS running at purchase time, and done when you get the email, not when you're typing in your Paypal/CC info. I registered as Linux, as that's what I have on the most machines, and most care to use, but I probably spend most of my clock time on Windows, either at work (where Windows is mandated), or at home playing the ~50% of games I want to play that aren't available under Linux, or at least not cleanly/easily.

I'm looking forward to this hypothetical Linux Steam client, as it'll let me do more of my gaming on my OS of choice.

Re:Not surprising... (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32136640)

Actually, as someone who actually BOUGHT the bundle in TFA, I'd like to make note that the OS reporting is voluntary, not linked to the OS running at purchase time, and done when you get the email, not when you're typing in your Paypal/CC info.

That's interesting. I bought the bundle too, but after about three days, haven't clicked on the email link yet (I already bought most of those games anyway). Seeing as I never saw any "what platform do you use" option, I assumed those stats must have come from browser user-agent IDs.

Re:Not surprising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32135084)

The Windows donations still account for more than half.

Realize that the vast majority of people who use a computer are running the Windows OS. The fact that half of the donations are attributed to OS X and Linux shows a much larger patronage.

Hi, I'm a Linux (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133310)

PC: And I'm a PC

Linux: Whatcha doing, PC?

PC: Playing games.

Linux: Cool, which ones?

PC: All of them.

Re:Hi, I'm a Linux (4, Funny)

xlsior (524145) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133356)

Or more typical:


Mac: Hi, I'm a Mac

PC: And I'm a PC

Mac: Whatcha doing, PC?

PC: Playing games.

Mac: Cool, can I play too?

PC: No.

Re:Hi, I'm a Linux (5, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133672)

PC: "I've got a date with a hot chick tonight! We're going clubbing, what about you, Steve?"

Mac: "I've got a date with a hot guy tonight. We're going to see Rent."

PC: "Steve, you ol' tiger, you! What about you, Poindexter?"

Linux: "Aww..."

Re:Hi, I'm a Linux (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134164)

You joke of course, but with Steam for OSX coming out in, say, 5 days - Mac computers will have several extremely popular games.

Hi, I'm a Virtual Machine. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133368)

Incompatible-doze3000: This doesn't work anymore!

Linux: Hi, I'm a Virtual Machine.

Incompatible-doze3000: what can you do that I don't, I have all the latest anti-terrorist...

Linux: Well, I can simulate all the same in a sandboxed environment that you control.

Incompatible-doze3000: that doesn't sound right, what country are you from?

Linux: I'm from whatever region you want me to run in.

Incompatible-doze3000: the EducationBox everyday tells me about people liek you, reptilian!

Linux: Just because I retain the most flexibility for compatibility, doesn'y make me bad.

Incompatible-doze3000: Can you run Reversi or even Solitaire as far back as 100 years to 1993?

Linux: I can run all 50 versions, ld_preloaded to any language subset, through QEMU for any architecture, all at the same time.

Incompatible-doze3000: Wow, so you're not limited to 3 desktop applications like me!?!?

Linux: Fuck Year...

Re:Hi, I'm a Virtual Machine. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133474)

Have fun trying to virtualize any games from the last decade.

Have fun eating my Cock. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133594)

I'll even tar and chicken-feather(recent proprietary compression AlGore-rythm) it before feeding it to your stdin.

Seriously, if you don't know what QEMU can do, in conjuction with even a non-native WINE on a embedded architecture as would a Cell Phone or PDA, then there's nothing anyone can do to help you. Especially since you have mod-points, nobody is going to see what could've helped you because you mod-down anything contrary to your opinion.

So since you don't like this comment, eat a dick you inverted prick. Suck it downtown, Charlie Brown.

Re:Have fun eating my Cock. (0, Flamebait)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133762)

Let's be more specific then: have fun running any game from the last ten years at anything better than 10 seconds per frame. It's not about not liking your comment, get over your fucking persecution complex. It's about you being an idiot who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Yeah, in theory you are right. In practice, well, let's just say the grown-ups here can tell you've never even tried what you espouse. This isn't even a Windows vs. Linux thing. I'm a Linux sysadmin, I was using it when you were still shitting yourself, sport. I use Linux for nearly everything. Everything except games. Some of us like our games a bit more complex than minesweeper and solitaire.

Fucking recent Linux converts piss me off. "Blahblahblah windows sux, linux rox, it can do anything!" yeah, yeah, we know, we were all sixteen and just discovering open source once, too.

Re:Have fun eating my Cock. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133832)

A linux sys admin for what? IMaRAGINGhomosexualHIDINGinTHEclosetINtheBASEMENTofMYparentsHOUSE.com?

Go fuck yourself.

Re:Have fun eating my Cock. (1)

Requiem18th (742389) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134124)

Why "Windows has better games" and "Windows sux" are not mutually exclusive tough.

I have a windows system named "gameboy", guess what I use it for...

And the abundance of games is not even a virtue of Windows per se, but of it's ubiquity.

Re:Have fun eating my Cock. (2, Informative)

druke (1576491) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134934)

Let's be more specific then: have fun running any game from the last ten years at anything better than 10 seconds per frame..

Okay Mr. Expert, I call bullshit. Games that run beautifully (some needing more work than others based on hardware and lack of support channels, but that's not saying it cannot be done):

  • World of Warcraft (I don't play it personally, but I know many that do)
  • Team Fortress 2, my mic even works without extra setup thanks to pulse audio (that's right, praise to PA!)
  • Eve-Online
  • Dragon Age
  • I said Tf2 already, but really anything that runs in the Source engine.

In fact.. I can't think of a game that I actually want to play, that doesn't run on linux (given enough work). I'm not saying that it is super easy to make all these work, but a high and mighty sys admin should see this as child's play; and only be, slightly, complicated to the neophyte convert. So once again, no better that 10 fps... Bullshit. Go eat a dick, and come back when you've shaved that neckbeard.

To everyone else: gaming is far from perfect but it is not this absolute paradigm shift that certain people make it out to be. All it takes is -minimal- support from developers (more if the studio is deeply tied to .net and super direct3d stuff), and BAM shit starts to fall into place. (see WoW, EvE, and the source engine stuff).

After typing out this long post, I see that this is initially in reply to 'virtual' environments, the posts being modded down, and your's being 5: insightful (thereby not being hidden). I agree, virtual environments for gaming ,while it can work, is a shitty idea. It's similar to fixing a leaky faucet by installing a new faucet. Bandaiding the issue, while ignoring the larger problem. If you're post was specific to virtual environments, I'm sorry, disregard all the negative things I said about you, I didn't fully read the hidden comments.

As more games move to working on mac and windows, we'll see a larger shift in games that work well in linux (not because mac apps are easy to run in linux, that's not actually true; It's easier to run windows applications than it is mac applications applications. The reasons are slightly more complicated; Just take my opinion, as a guy on the internet, and regard it as fact.). Steam is the first big -potential- example, The fact of the matter is that the industry thinks linux support is super hard, when it's not as hard as they think it is. (it's comparable to the average man running 2-3 miles every day, it's really not hard at all, you just have to get up and do it). And with companies now actually considering mac versions, linux versions look much much easier.

For goodness sake, don't point out facts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32135274)

We all know games will run on Linux acceptably well with either WINE, Transgaming WineX/Cedega, or Codeweaver's Wine. Don't point that out, because they have a quota to say enough false about Linux for one day. Talk about something else. Talk about him eating my cock, feeding my pecker directly into his STDin and filling his gullet with my black worm jizz. Go on, drink it! Drink it down, send in MC Hammer on your way out.

Re:Have fun eating my Cock. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#32135872)

I'm up to that challenge. Ten seconds per frame. You are not the sysadmin you claim to be. Get off your dead ass, download all of the virtualization softwares, and TEST THEM!! Really put them through their paces.

I'll grant that you lose a bit of performance in virtual machines. I'll grant that *some* games just won't virtualize. But, many games will load and run, and they do MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than you claim. And, it's very likely that the developers of VBox, VMWare, and Parallels are working on the problems with some of the games. Hell, I can't really say that they are, but it's quite likely, IMO.

A LOT of games run very nicely. They are just applications, after all.

Just put them through their paces, and stop making ignorant comments. And, next year, take another look. The VM's are really getting better. VBox today is NOT the VBox of one year ago. Given another ~5 years, GP's post may very well be accurate, in that ALL games can be virtualized inside of Linux.

I think it's sweet that I can already run a Windows machine to browse all the malware sites, and collect all the real trash available, to play with at my leisure, then just reset the VM to a snapshot. Awesome!! Talk about real gaming, LMAO

Re:Hi, I'm a Virtual Machine. (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133604)

spun: Hi, I'm a spun
Anonymous Coward: And I'm an AC. Say, spun, whatcha doing?
spun: Making a joke
Anonymous Coward: Cool, can I make one?
spun: Evidently not.

Re:Hi, I'm a Virtual Machine. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133624)

Hi, I'm a shut the fuck up and I hope you get aids.

Re:Hi, I'm a Virtual Machine. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133670)

QQ more, n00b, you got pwned.

A: Because it breaks the flow of a message (4, Funny)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133512)

Q: Why is starting a comment in the Subject: line incredibly rude?

Re:A: Because it breaks the flow of a message (0, Offtopic)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133642)

Your comment illustrates the problems with top posting, not starting the comment in the subject line. Which in this instance does not notably break the flow because everyone is already familiar with the flow of the commercials. While you could certainly critique starting the comment in the subject line, you'd have to find a different way to do it. But then again, all of us from the Usenet era know this quote, so we can follow your analogy, flawed as it is.

Re:A: Because it breaks the flow of a message (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134300)

While you could certainly critique starting the comment in the subject line, you'd have to find a different way to do it.

For one thing, it breaks the quote button.

Re:A: Because it breaks the flow of a message (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32135204)

I top posted your mother last week.

Right after I bottom posted her, and side posted, and posted in her nostril, and her ...

Re:A: Because it breaks the flow of a message (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32134336)

Bother you, I do, when, by your personal preferences, post, I do not..

Re:A: Because it breaks the flow of a message (1)

lena_10326 (1100441) | more than 4 years ago | (#32136492)

I suppose that's true... if one has a 1 second attention span.

No seriously (3, Funny)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 4 years ago | (#32137056)

why is it rude?

Re:Hi, I'm a Linux (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32135564)

Linux: Whatcha doing, PC?

PC: Playing games.

Xbox, PS3, Wii in chorus: LOL WUT?

Re:Not surprising... (1)

Iskender (1040286) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133378)

I'm posting just to agree completely. I'm an Ubuntu user who doesn't dual-boot. I'd love to play some nice games. Everything else works nicely, but man I'd love to play some stuff without emulators that never seem to work anyway.

To be fair, I haven't upgraded my computer in years, so maybe I should blame the victim a bit too...

Re:Not surprising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133554)

Pretty much this.

Games for windows outnumbers the linux games by at least 100 to 1.

A new linux game is big news. A new windows game better be a killer hit to even be noticed.

Re:Not surprising... (4, Insightful)

tonycheese (921278) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133694)

Second theory: a much higher percentage of Windows users paid 1 cent for the games. Kids are less likely to have a more expensive Mac and Linux is much more likely to be installed on an adult's machine. (Might be a stupid theory, feel free to poke holes).
Similarly, we can't forget that the total raised includes donations to EFF and some other charities. It would make sense to me that Linux users are more likely to donate to EFF?

Re:Not surprising... (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 4 years ago | (#32135960)

I bought the games to encourage the development... I didn't donate as much as some probably, but don't play games much...

Re:Not surprising... (1)

trytoguess (875793) | more than 4 years ago | (#32136382)

My random guess is because Windows users have a greater amount of games to choose from, they're less likely to consider donating alot of money to a single game making group.

Re:Not surprising... (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32137132)

Linux has fewer games than Windows, so games would be more highly valued by Linux users than Windows users.

The Windows gamer also has choices like Gog.com. Classic MSDOS and Windows games. All genres. Ready to Run under Windows 7. $6 to $10. Bundles $10-$15.

Re:Not surprising... (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 4 years ago | (#32137290)

Those DOS games mostly run fine under DOSBox, and if someone really wants to run them then FreeDOS runs fine under a VM and games that old are nothing to run on a recent machine. The really classic Windows games should do okay under Wine for the most part, as they're all under 9x or XP. Many of the older Windows games actually run better under Wine than on Windows 7 (unless you use XP mode, but that's virtualizing an OS again).

Of course (0)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133206)

Those who use windows have less money due to having to pay for geeksquad for cleaning the scumware and viruses off their computers or buying new ones. Which reminds me, my computer is passing that 20 minute boot up time, probably need to buy a new one...

(...Kidding guys, don't flood me with suggestions)

I Really Hope You Are 10 Years Old (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133304)

Otherwise that is just absolutely embarrassing to think someone older actually posted that.

Re:I Really Hope You Are 10 Years Old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133482)

Does that mean you are 10 years old yourself?

Re:Of course (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133596)

I've been using Windows since 3.11, and I've never used the Geek Squad or a similar service.

If you're competent enough to properly maintain a Linux box, you're competent enough to keep a Windows machine clean.

Seriously (2, Funny)

justinlee37 (993373) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133928)

I use Windows Vista and earlier today I got a virus while looking for porn torrents. The virus disabled taskmanager and the ability to run any other executables and flooded the screen with popups advertising fake virus software. It was easy enough to run HijackThis (after renaming it to iexplore.exe to fool the virus) to identify and delete the viral executable; I had the problem fixed in under 30 minutes.

Windows isn't that bad when you actually know what you're doing. Problem is, most people don't. Do you think those people would do any better on Linux? I doubt it.

Re:Of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32136902)

No way. My impression on slashdot is once these users fire up a Windoze machine it endlessly cycle bluescreens. But not after being infected by virus's & trojans.

Bah. (3, Informative)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133230)

I bought world of Goo through Steam for my windows machine and paid more than the average Linux user contributes more for the whole indie bundle. When folks 'contribute' through different sources, these number don't mean much.

Re:Bah. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133332)

Your personal, single, anecdotal experince obviously completely shatters the average of 59955 sales. Really? Why do you think anyone would care about individual peak values. It's the total income that matters, nothing else, when selling software.

Re:Bah. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133432)

Your personal, single, anecdotal experince obviously completely shatters the average of 59955 sales.

I don't see any mention of sales, much less a number, in TFA. They seem to be talking only about the "donation" part of it. Can you provide a reference for your claims?

Re:Bah. (1)

TheCycoONE (913189) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134908)

http://www.wolfire.com/humble [wolfire.com] They keep a running tally of the number of sales on the front page... it's 61606 as I post.

Re:Bah. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#32135198)

Er, it says "number of contributions", not "number of sales".

Also, that page is only for the bundle. GG...P point was that those games were already available for purchase on Windows separately for quite a while, and specifically via Steam, where indie games generally sell rather well - so a lot of people on Windows already own them and paid for them.

What would be interesting is if they aggregated all Steam sales statistics from all the games in the bundle together with donations.

Re:Bah. (1)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 4 years ago | (#32137278)

At the moment, we have about 53,500 donations -- far more than we expected! But where did they come from? Our breakdown for number of donations per platform is: 65% Windows, 21% Mac, and 14% Linux. However, when we look at the amount donated per platform, we see something different. Our breakdown for total donation size per platform is 52% Windows, 25% Mac, and 23% Linux.

I think what we can infer is that the "sales" figure here is the "53,500 donations" figure, since all contributions in exchange for the bundle were chosen by the user. "Number of contributions" = "Number of sales" in this experiment. Maybe some windows users have already bought WoG on Steam...I myself downloaded it from 2dboy directly in their paywhatyouwant sale for both Windows and Linux. I also bought the Penumbra "trilogy" a while ago. But what the hell does that matter? The point of this news story is that when all users are given a choice about how much to pay for this bundle, Linux and Mac users tended to donate more than Windows users. So what if the OP paid much more for the game via Steam? If he wasn't able to choose to pay less or more, and I doubt he could, it's irrelevant.

I'll be generous, if the OP's point was that more of the Windows users already own one of the games, and altered their donation appropriately (why not say that?), then I would counter that with the fact that WoG and Penumbra have been available for sale to Linux users for a long time as well, as has Lugaru (the others I hadn't seen before the wolfire sale). In fact, I would say that given the smaller number of games available for Linux, and the fact that WoG and Penumbra had a huge amount of success with pay what you want sales advertised on /., that a large number of Linux d'loaders would also have duplicate games within the bundle. Like me. I dropped my donation slightly as I already own WoG and Penumbra. Now what? We trade anecdotal evidence back and forth?

Re:Bah. (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134794)

You kind of missed the entire point about there being many means of contributing besides that one specific indie distributor. One VERY popular one is steam which is windows only. So stats provided only from that indie distributor don't reflect total contributions by a long shot. Do you really think I'm the only windows user who purchased it through Steam? Really? Seriously? Considering total income, rather than what was generated by that one indie distributor was my point. You missed the point by a mile Mr. Coward.

Re:Bah. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133940)

And how much of that did the devs actually get?
Who cares if retail gross is higher, if retail net is lower.

Re:Bah. (1)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 4 years ago | (#32137336)

Think you're missing the point. Did you have a choice as to what you paid through Steam? Or was it a fixed price? Did your money go direct to the developers? The point of this story/price experiment/analysis is that when given the choice of what to pay, and knowing that their donations were going either direct to the developers, or to a charity, Linux & Mac users donate more than Windows users.

And again, the world is a little nicer. (4, Insightful)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133232)

Perhaps because when you feel like you've already got a bargain (infinite value for money on average), you're happy to chuck a few quid in. And can I just say, what a nice, simple, well laid out and advert-realistic that website from TFA is? When we all so often get complete wastes of cycles and eyeballs, that's a really nice website, and we should say so as loudly as we complain about bad ones.

Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133402)

And can I just say, what a nice, simple, well laid out and advert-realistic that website from TFA is?

It looks practically the same as all the other blog-type websites I've ever looked at.
But then I use adblock and noscript. Kinda funny how those two can take some many crummy websites and not only remove all the suck, but actually make things look decent.

Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. (3, Interesting)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133420)

I like this new world, new kind of culture (yes, the elders would yell "the world is falling down!" anyway), ideas - for which people will pay, if they are worth anything. It's perhaps related to how, apparently, heavy p2p users actually buy a lot of music...only it's not so often from the major labels anymore (but often with "useless" nice physical addons, quite common in indie world).

Two different spheres, but in a way with converging ideas. Hey, RIAA would like us to believe that p2p users are thieves. And why would those hippie Linux users, wanting everything for free and loathing closed source software, pay more in this case?... (and when not being watched)

Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. (2, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133464)

donation paying is really the ultimate free market. I think if more things were priced by how much people valued them rather then prices regulated by government and corporate monopolys we'd all be a lot better off.

Re:And again, the world is a little nicer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32135672)

As a Windows user, I used to be forced to pay for anything and everything. After paying I would find out that whatever wasn't worth a shit. This led me to piracy. I even used pirated versions of Windows when I had a perfectly good license for their Professional editions just for the spite of it.

Then when the DRM scare came, I decided the Microsoft gang and their friends got my last penny.

Your chances for getting my money are:
BSD > GPL > GPL with freeware assets > freeware with source(so that it can be recompiled for newer systems) > freeware > good commercial software

That is, unless your "freeware" is a driver for your undocumented piece of shitware, and paying for the dead piece of silicon that I cannot use on my main OS is my "donation".

Donate to who, and for what? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133270)

Why would your typical windows user have heard of these people? Why would they donate?

In short, why do I care?

Define major (-1, Troll)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133286)

From TFA: "...select games that support all three major desktop platforms: Mac, Windows, and Linux"

That's adorable.

Re:Define major (5, Funny)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133318)

From TFA: "...select games that support all three major desktop platforms: Mac, Windows, and Linux"

That's adorable.

Yeah, it's funny that they mentioned Mac/Windows at all. I mean, honestly, who uses those?

Must be all that disposable income (0)

pathological liar (659969) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133288)

... from not buying Windows, antivirus software, an office suite, ...

No need to buy Windows, Norton, or Office (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134426)

Buying Windows? The trialware preinstalled on a typical home PC subsidizes that. (Otherwise, how would an Acer Aspire Revo with Windows cost as much as a retail box of Windows?) Buying Antivirus? You can use Avast on a home PC for $0. Office suite? Most people using one on a home PC* don't need Microsoft Access, so OOo will suffice.

*If you work from home, Microsoft Office is a business expense that you can deduct if your boss doesn't already reimburse it.

As this was mentioned the other day, (2, Interesting)

4lex (648184) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133306)

I wondered, will people care enough to start making fake donations, i.e. pay 1c, then download the windows version, to make the other camp look bad?

You've got to take these things with a grain of salt anyway. I know I only paid $10 for the bundle because I wasn't sure it was going to work at all on my oldish hardware. I'm likely to "buy" it again for a higher price as a thumbs-up once I give all games a good try and am convinced I like them.

Yawn (1, Troll)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133322)

3 days in a row, three slashvertisements for this Humble/Indie Bundle... who's getting their percentage?

Not a Slashvertisement! (1)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133786)

It's not an ad. It's a discussion of the indie game house's revenues. Sure it brings people to Wolfire's site, but if the company is providing useful contributions to the game business discussion, they deserve the attention.

NOTE: A slashvertizement would be something like "Wolfire releases new game!"

Re:Yawn (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133990)

EFF?

Re:Yawn (1)

sammyF70 (1154563) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134256)

Just to make it clear. I'm not affiliated in any way (apart from having bought the Humble Bundle myself) with any of the developers or organizations involved. It's seldom enough that one gets insight into sales that I thought it might be of interest to some of the slashdot readers. oh .. and did you know? Apple released a tablet!

Re:Yawn (1)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 4 years ago | (#32137350)

If you so chose the whole 100% of the donation for the bundle could go to Child's Play [childsplaycharity.org] , a gamer-run charity that donates toys and games to children's wards in hospitals, or the EFF [eff.org] , a non-profit digital civil-liberties group. That answers your question.

Windows user twice as wealthy as Linux users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133422)

Windows user twice as wealthy as Linux users, on average.

Laws of Mathmatics. (1)

lunchlady55 (471982) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133608)

Unfortunately, two times zero is still zero... /jk, keep donating folks.

My best guess (1)

Nakor BlueRider (1504491) | more than 4 years ago | (#32133892)

Macs are generally owned by people better off financially (PCs also have the better off folks in their market of course, but probably a much greater percentage of poorer folks than Macs), so that explains their position. Perhaps Windows and Linux both have a contingent of geeks who care, but Windows has far, far more non-geeks/non-gamers than Linux, and that's where the difference there comes in? (Or maybe it's from saving the hundreds of dollars on OS and other proprietary software, but a lot of that gets pirated anyway, so that still may only apply to the less geeky half of the populace.)

Re:My best guess (1)

kramulous (977841) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134892)

Macs are generally owned by people better off financially

Not sure I agree with that statement. I see a lot of students sporting macs. These students live at home, don't have jobs (well, not one that is required to pay for a roof, food, utilities, etc) and still have their iphones and macs. Financial irresponsibility comes to mind as well.

I know a few that have fulltime jobs, and get the latest revision of macs (at least one every two years) but still live at home because "the baby boomer generation has priced them out of the housing market" and they need to "save money" to buy a house. Note: I don't live in the US.

Re:My best guess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32136394)

Macs are generally owned by people better off financially

Not sure I agree with that statement. I see a lot of students sporting macs. These students live at home, don't have jobs (well, not one that is required to pay for a roof, food, utilities, etc) and still have their iphones and macs. Financial irresponsibility comes to mind as well.

At a guess, I'd expect you to find that students simply have relatively high discretionary incomes. Their income is also, in general, far below its potential, so irresponsibility isn't actually as extreme as it appears at face value.

Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32133916)

Slashdot fixed the fucking "reply" button. Stop tinkering with the live version of the website, you idiots!

edit: I even had to click "preview" twice to be able to submit... Slashdot really is run by incompetent morons.

Where are the Mac users? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32134122)

Oh, I forgot just like the PS3 they have nogaems.

Also Mac users spent all their paycheck on some smug, effete computer with an exorbitant logo tax.

I was cheap... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32134144)

...just 2$. After having a look at the games, none of them really interested me. Maybe I'll never get around to play any of these games. But I really like to support this kind of stuff, even if it is with just 2 lousy dollars. Hope we are going to see more of this in the future.

Not completely explained (1)

BoppreH (1520463) | more than 4 years ago | (#32134562)

After the purchase, I was asked which platforms I use. I ticked the Windows and Linux checkboxes.

How does this get translated to the graphs? Do they count my donation twice, one for Windows and other for Linux?

My View (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32134804)

I'm from the Windows piece of the pie and I paid $10 which beats the Windows and Mac averages (if only by a little on Mac) ... the thing for me is though that I fit in a category of people that is uncountable by their statistics. That category being, well, someone who doesn't really want the games and never would have bought them for even $5 in a store as a bundle. Why did I do it you ask? Simply because I support developers such as these, people who realize that DRM is bad and that honest customers will pay for game should the real product be superior to the pirated product, as it should be. As someone who hates to see the Ubisofts and other evil overlords of game publication, I donated the $10 and specifically chose the "Developers Only" option (donating to charity is something that can easily be done outside of this offer) because I feel they DESERVE it.

As for the Linux crowd, I presume the higher donation totals is due to many factors like less games than Windows, pirating itself being a rather Windows centric crowd, and I'd even toss in the purely speculative assumption that the average intelligence and income of a Linux user is higher (lets face it other developers and geeks/nerds primarily).

Seeing as (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32135234)

Ubuntu has about twice the share of all other linux based desktops, combined, it would be nice to give it its own statistical category like mac. You don't just throw mac and 'linux' together as 'unix'. I'm tired of developers thinking they have to target multiple linux desktops with their coding and packaging. If you put out one single file, it should be a .deb.

My wife and I (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32135358)

Goofy survey to start with. And easily skewed.

Including my wife and I alone in the survey (Windows and iMac users at home - FreeBSD for work) would have probably tilted the scale the other direction.

Pointless survey and article unless you are a fan boy or flamer.

Skewed Results (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32135882)

Look at the top ten donations list in the little stats box. According to that, somebody paid $1000 and two more people paid $500. If all three of those were Linux users, I can see why their average would be higher. Especially since the rest of the donations are under $300, and probably very few are even over $100.

What? (1)

merockstar (1718498) | more than 4 years ago | (#32136750)

Donate to what? What on earth are you people talking about? I'm so confused. Why would any clear thinking individual ever donate money to Microsoft? I even went and read TFA, and I STILL have no idea what we're donating to... Now maybe I've been living under a tech rock or something, but can we get some context please?

Re:What? (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 4 years ago | (#32137186)

Somebody found an obscure and meaningless way to show Linux is better than Windows. The context is Slashdot where anything pro-Linux and anti-Windows is automatically "stuff that matters", even if it doesn't.

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