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When Internet Radios Get Affordable

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the slightly-more-convergence dept.

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DeviceGuru writes "Grace Digital Audio has just released a new device that functions like an Internet radio tuner in a whole-house audio system and is being sold at a surprisingly affordable price point. The Solo Wi-Fi Receiver works in tandem with Reciva's Internet radio station selection web service, provides excellent Pandora support, and also supports optional Internet services such as Live365, MP3tunes, Aupeo, and Sirius. It has built-in buttons and a display for easy control, comes with a dedicated IR-remote, and is supported by a free iPhone remote access/control app. We hear a lot about the high-end Sonos gear, but at just over $100, this little gadget seems like a breakthrough in cost-effective Internet radio, much as the Roku Netflix player broke ground in low-cost Internet video streaming."

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139 comments

don't forget squeezebox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142712)

I managed to pick up a couple Squeezebox Touches for $125 each recently (thanks to a snafu on Logitech's site). At that price, they are absolutely amazing whole-house audio/internet radio devices.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (1)

2.7182 (819680) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142750)

When it gets affordable, I'll still be happy with analog.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142762)

I will still be happy making my own using a Linux box

Re:don't forget squeezebox (1)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143810)

Original Xbox with Linux + XMBC

Kind of sad that original Xbox is more useful than any current console offering.

God bless open source.

Most people can pick one up for 20$ these days

The bonus is the ease of use, plug and play

Re:don't forget squeezebox (1)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143940)

I'm sure that Xbox looks totally sweet sitting there on your nightstand with its monitor. It's totally the exact same thing as the Squeezebox only way cheaper, without the monitor.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (1)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144172)

The innards of the xbox can easily fit into a cheap home theater PC case. It also happily produces sound without a monitor.

I (and room mates) would never even be listening to internet radio without the xbox. It was just a natural fit since in Northern Ontario radio stations are pretty repetitive for ambience. Turned all of us onto music we would absolutely never be exposed to otherwise.

Most people have a few spare xbox's kicking around. I know I do, might as well hack the shit out of them and put them to work.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (2, Funny)

siloko (1133863) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144948)

Most people have a few spare xbox's kicking around.

May I suggest a walk outside. The fresh air is lovely.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (1)

vtcodger (957785) | more than 4 years ago | (#32145964)

***May I suggest a walk outside. The fresh air is lovely.***

Maybe where you are. Where I am, the wind is howling and it is snowing. If you could give me an IP where I can pick up a stream of weather a bit warmer and without the wind, it would be appreciated.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (2, Funny)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 4 years ago | (#32145156)

The innards of the xbox can easily fit into a cheap home theater PC case. It also happily produces sound without a monitor.

Having a home theater PC case on my nightstand would be even better. I stand corrected.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (2, Insightful)

sillybilly (668960) | more than 4 years ago | (#32145418)

Analog will be soon banned/phased out. Because it represents the old mentality where you can listen to unmetered programming, and are free to make a recording with a tape deck. Where intellectual property is regarded as a temporary reward, an incentive to enhance creativity, and remove secrecy, but ultimately everything is meant to enter the public domain, as soon as further prolonging of property terms does not sufficiently enhance initial creativity, or release of private knowledge, private secrets into public domain. Recording radio programming with a tapedeck? Are you out of your mind? These days such violations of intellectual property laws, even the mere thought of copying any information, let alone it "eventually" entering public domain, have to be eradicated from the minds of people. These days we have to convert to a system where every time you start up the radio you click an accept button, that you agree that all content coming through it is owned by da man, for da man, and only for da man, and only by his grace and infinite kindness are you allowed to listen to any of this wonder and amazement for such a low low introductory monthly rate. Otherwise you're considered a heretic/pirate/thief, who probably just expects to get everything for free in life, and not have to pay for it. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Well, they say the best thing in life are free: sunshine, air, love, mothertongue, and it used to be the radio, you "payed for it" by being subjected to advertising, but now you'll get advertising + you have to pay for it in cold cash too. We can start with the radio first, while x-ing off all those things from the list of best things in life are free. Well, at least you have the option not to listen to the radio, like I do, or not to buy the radio programming decryption monthly card, the kind they sell for satellite tv programming. And life is still good. I can personally attest to that - I have not watched tv, nor have I turned on my car radio for 2 years now. Ok, here and there, but I don't miss it at all. When you have to start paying for the sunshine and air you consume, because it's owned by da man, it's gonna be very difficult to live happily without those things. Oh, by the way, since last February 2009, over a year now, I've been vegetarian, and doing just fine. Well, I did eat meat here and there, like pepperoni pizza, or company burger cookout, but I can go on fine without it, I don't miss it at all.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (1)

sillybilly (668960) | more than 4 years ago | (#32145492)

Oh and guess what.. I don't have much of a life, but I can say that I have been able to abstain from watching a single DVD movie so far. Ever since DVD's appeared on the scene. Because of the gargantuan copyright crap they instilled into it. I don't care what anyone else does, it's their business, but it's not for me. I've watched VHS tapes, quite a few, that my "bum" friend showed on his VCR, a few years ago, "unbum-like-ly" careful not to show a DVD, and parading gutted tapedecks from the 70's as DJ mixing rigs. I don't know what's right or wrong about intellectual property, I can't tell others what to do, but I can make a choice on what I do and don't do. And then everyone is free to live their life as they please, as long as they let me be the way I wanna be too. Oh, and, even though my father was an alcoholic, I've been able to abstain from alcohol, I drink a sip here and there, but have never got drunk. Have I said I don't have a life? How about trying to abstain from Windows or Apple, or any proprietary computer systems? It's extremely difficult, especially when the hardware you buy only has windows drivers provided, and the devices is lobotomized, and most of the functions are implemented in software. I still keep good old Windows 2000 around, but I realize its days are numbered too. I have a cellphone, but I don't enjoy it, because it's not hackable, I don't feel like it's mine. It's full of secrets. I open it, use it, done with it, put it away. Same with a car, use it, done with it, but don't get the intellectual joy of hotrodders out of it, like they used to back in the days, that tinkle, sparkle in the eye kind of joy. The only joy in the computer and computer like things comes where I'm free on it, in things like Linux/Freedos or assembler. But I know these days are numbered too, and there will be a point in time, where I'll simply open up a computer, get whatever needs to get done, done, and close it off. It will be no source of excitement. The fallback for now is hardcopy books. Like Newton had them. When paper books are banned, to save trees, or burned, like the inquisition used to burn forbidden texts, because they contained "unmanaged", "raw" text, and only Kindle-like devices are allowed, where how long you spend on each page is monitored by da man, to make sure you're not reading or thinking something illegal, that you do not exhibit any statistical criminal thought patterns, in the name of public safety and security, when that time comes, I guess I'll have to give up reading too. I don't know what the heck I'll do then, but I hope that will be after my time.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (3, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143342)

I've got to admit that I get a lot of use out of iHeart Radio.

I still won't pay for radio, though. I buy a lot of music that I hear on radio, so I figure it's a good enough promotional mechanism for music that it should be free. As far as "talk" radio, no thanks. I don't need any more voices in my head telling me what to think. I'm happy with the occasional podcast (some of which I'll subscribe to, such as Red Ice Radio from Sweden or Mysterious Universe from Australia).

The player or "internet radio" is a different matter though. I don't see why it should ever cost more than a regular radio plus a $10 wireless adapter. And I'll either plug it into my existing speakers or a pair of headphones. I guess I'm old fashioned but listening to radio via 3G feels wrong, like why should I take up bandwidth to hear music that I can get otherwise. I know it doesn't make sense because iPhone and iPad users don't seem to worry about it, but that's the kind of hairpin I am.

And, depending upon where I'm at, the "regular" radio is plenty good for me. Like if I'm near Monterrey, CA, there's a great station that plays Hawaiian music 24/7 and in New York there's a half-dozen stations that play great rock, jazz or classical music with minimal commercials. Things have been a little rougher here in Chicago ever since the public station WBEZ stopped playing jazz all night. Still, there's enough good stuff on there that I keep my car radio glued there just like the middle eastern cabdrivers. When I walk the dog, I take the mp3 player, which has an FM radio. Except for sports, AM radio is a total waste of the spectrum. Everybody is hollering about how Obama is black and doesn't have a birth certificate or how the mexicans are taking over, interspersed with commercials for erectile dysfunction (which leads me to believe that conservativism and E.D. go together somehow, though it seems they don't have any trouble getting it up for their 18 year-old rentboys).

One more thing that I like radio for is sports. For some reason, probably dating back to my childhood, I'd rather listen to a White Sox game on the radio than watch it on TV. With a good announcer (like Bob Elston when I was a kid and Ed Farmer now), my brain does a better job of creating the visuals than television cameras ever could. Oh, I also like the Bears and Blackhawks on WGN. The announcers are all homers, just like it should be. I don't listen to the Cubs, ever, because they suck dick and anyone who likes them sucks dick (you can look it up).

Re:don't forget squeezebox (2, Interesting)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143440)

One more thing that I like radio for is sports. For some reason, probably dating back to my childhood, I'd rather listen to a White Sox game on the radio than watch it on TV.

Hell yeah. Back in the day we used to crowd around the muted TV, watching the game while we listened to it on the radio.

Re:don't forget squeezebox (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143650)

I have to agree, I don't get the price. I picked up a used core2 duo Dell desktop with 2gb and 160gb for $130 last week. Could turn it into a htpc and have videos and Internet radio for only a few dollars more that just Internet radio. The people this is marketed to, the tech savvy, can find cheaper devices to do only Internet radio (old p3 laptop? They're under $100) or will spend a few dollars more and get a multifunctional device. At that price this is just a few years too late, it'd have to be under $40 before I'd even consider it

Re:don't forget squeezebox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143852)

Why should you have to turn on the tv or a monitor to listen to the radio?

Re:don't forget squeezebox (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143700)

As far as "talk" radio, no thanks. I don't need any more voices in my head telling me what to think.

I completely agree...which is why my radio at work is always set to C-SPAN Radio (I work in Rockville, MD, about 40 minutes from DC, so I can pick up the non-HD terrestrial signal). The portions where they have people call in during the early morning and late afternoon shows suck, but it doesn't get more unbiased then a direct audio feed from Congress and the Senate :-)

Internet radio and Jazz in NYC? (1)

Announcer (816755) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144180)

Jazz? On which station? There used to be one, but they dropped the Jazz format about a year ago. Unbelievably, they dropped it and became YET *ANOTHER* rock station... a real waste, because there are already about 20 of those on my radio! (I kid you not!) No jazz, anymore. None.

Internet "radio" certainly has its place, but with the hands of the Music MAFIAA reaching pretty deeply into so many pockets, it's not easy to make it FREE. Even Pandora cuts you off after a certain number of hours per month, now... DESPITE their annoying commercials. Terrestrial stations that are also streaming, shell out pretty big bux for those streams. Internet-only stations do, too, and have a bunch of draconian restrictions on how they can format their music! (No more than 4 songs by any one artist in a THREE HOUR time span, for example.) So much for 1'st Amendment Freedom?

Re:Internet radio and Jazz in NYC? (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144690)

they dropped it and became YET *ANOTHER* rock station... a real waste, because there are already about 20 of those on my radio!

Where is that? Around here all the rock stations are turning to dance/hip-hop stations.

Re:Internet radio and Jazz in NYC? (1)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144866)

Jazz in NYC-WBGO 88.3 FM. www.wbgo.org They stream too.

Chumby One (1)

Fishead (658061) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142800)

Since the goal is cheap, what about the Chumby One?

Oh... I live in Canada, I can't have one.

boo.

Re:Chumby One (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142946)

The majority of the user reports I've read have said that the Chumby is ridiculously buggy and laggy, and that the audio abilities are pretty bleh (skips occasionally, minijack audio quality sucks, etc).

Re:Chumby One (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143228)

I live in Canada and I have a Chumby One - ordered for delivery to a US UPSStore.

My Chumby works fine as an Internet radio - it is on Radio Paradise most of the day.

Re:Chumby One (1)

CityZen (464761) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144454)

My main complaint about the Chumby is that the user interface isn't ready for prime time. It's like it was designed to do the job, barely. It seems like little thought was given to polishing it and making it user friendly. It just requires far too many button (touch-screen) presses to get it to do what you want it to do.

On the flip side, the UI is just a flash download that you could replace with your own, in theory.

Doesn't take long for some sites (1)

boogahboogah (310475) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142804)

Yup, the site acts slashdotted 8 minutes after this posted up...

I probably won't be buying one of these anytime soon, but that is only because of my extensive music & stereo collection combined with 7 Linux & windoze machines at home. At this price, they should start selling well, Maybe they'll be the new hot xmas gift this coming season.

pricepoint vs price (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142808)

How is a pricepoint different than a price. And how is 105.37 dollars a price point. Who says, "I'm looking for an internet radio, but I don't want to spend more than 106 bucks?"

Re:pricepoint vs price (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143108)

How is a pricepoint different than a price.

It's harder to sound like a douchebag if you only say price.

Chumby One (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142826)

The Chumby One is a much better deal for $119 and it runs a variety of apps:
http://www.chumby.com/

Re:Chumby One (1)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142906)

and the Chumby is opensource hardware running opensource software.

DIY internet radio player (4, Interesting)

Bloom Berg (1743432) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142836)

You can always make your own [parallax.com]

It works great, only $75

Re:DIY internet radio player (2, Informative)

eli2k (948315) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143766)

This one [mightyohm.com] is pretty nice, too.

Not really seeing the market... (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142838)

I'm not really seeing the market for this. So I want a device that plays internet radio, but don't want to just get an iPod dock, use a laptop/netbook and uses Wi-Fi so it isn't like your getting always available portable internet. If you have a home theater system, why wouldn't you just have a HTPC and just use VLC and connect to the internet radio that way, if you don't have a home theater system, why not just use an iPod or laptop?

Re:Not really seeing the market... (1)

carlzum (832868) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143266)

I was thinking the same thing. An iPod Touch with a dock satisfies most features on his checklist, and the article's screenshots are mostly images of the iPod application. I don't see what value the additional device offers.

Re:Not really seeing the market... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143428)

I'm not really seeing the market for this. So I want a device that plays internet radio, but don't want to just get an iPod dock, use a laptop/netbook and uses Wi-Fi so it isn't like your getting always available portable internet. If you have a home theater system, why wouldn't you just have a HTPC and just use VLC and connect to the internet radio that way, if you don't have a home theater system, why not just use an iPod or laptop?

Because some of us use Internet Radio like a radio alarm clock. I use my Internet Radio to listen to meditation music and OTR to help me get to sleep. I have a full blown HTPC but it isn’t very practical for using it in bed.

Re:Not really seeing the market... (1)

MokuMokuRyoushi (1701196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143490)

I have a full blown HTPC but it isn’t very practical for using it in bed.

There's a great joke in there somewhere, but a mortal such as myself cannot discern it.

Re:Not really seeing the market... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143600)

I suppose you could put VLC on an automated task. There's got to be at least one utility that can do that. But the tricky part is how to control it remotely (bluetooth or wifi), and make it boot with a playlist acting as station presets.

And if only it could filter the shoutcast index by bitrate... I don't care too much for the tin-can-speaker-underwater sound. It's great otherwise.

Re:Not really seeing the market... (2, Insightful)

chameleon_skin (672881) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143466)

Because Grandpa has no idea what VLC is.

Re:Not really seeing the market... (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143512)

Right, and a technophobe who wants a more modern radio system would go the XM route anyway.

Re:Not really seeing the market... (1)

MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143740)

XM compression is shite. No respectable technophobe would ever use XM.

Re:Not really seeing the market... (1)

rockout (1039072) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144728)

I think you're confusing the GP's "technophobe" with "technophile". A technophobe would certainly use Sirius XM - it's extremely user-friendly these days, and although it may not be CD-quality, it certainly sounds better than FM, which is good enough for 95% of the population.

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Re:Not really seeing the market... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32144000)

Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.

I've got to, um...disagree with you there. What else is the -1 overrated mod really for, then? When I use it, it's usually because I don't agree with an opinion posted, but I want to be civil about it and not call the guy a troll or flamer. I bet most people use it in the same way, and if you stop and think about it, you probably do too. If not, please explain your interpretation of the rationale behind -1 overrated.

Re:Not really seeing the market... (4, Insightful)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144098)

I'm not really seeing the market for this.

That's because you are a tech weenie. For you, going to websites and downloading software patches comes as naturally as hair dye comes to a platinum blonde. But the truth is, downloading patches and setting up handler applications and all the other stuff that you have to do is... HARD for most people!

As a software engineer, I find over and over again that "possible" isn't the same as "easy" or "automatic" or even "useful".

Some years ago, I wrote a tool to keep paperwork in electronic format, at a tremendous savings to our client organizations. My first attempt was usable, but required significant training, and we got a few nibbles. My next revision was better, and we got some strong interest from previously cool clients. My most current revision is drop-dead simple to use, needing little more than a button click, and customers are practically lining up.

It can be very hard to do, but easy is, for most people, the difference between doable and not worth the bother. I've many times wanted to listen to KGO radio in San Francisco. I can sorta get it with an AM radio, but it's static-y and unpleasant. I can stream it online, but to do this, I have to get a big, relatively expensive computer, plug it into the Internet, turn it on, load the browser, go to the website, and click to start, then plug the speaker jack into my stereo.

So I end up with a pile of wires, and a laptop that likes to fall asleep every few hours of listening while burning about 60 watts. Ouch!

If only I could just hit the power switch, and then turn a knob to the "KGO" station... ? I'd be pretty likely to buy something like this.

Re:Not really seeing the market... (2, Interesting)

davek (18465) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144740)

I'm not really seeing the market for this. So I want a device that plays internet radio, but don't want to just get an iPod dock, use a laptop/netbook and uses Wi-Fi so it isn't like your getting always available portable internet. If you have a home theater system, why wouldn't you just have a HTPC and just use VLC and connect to the internet radio that way, if you don't have a home theater system, why not just use an iPod or laptop?

I reject this argument for three very important reasons:

1) people have been predicting the death of radio ever since the invention of the TV, yet somehow, its still here. With the invention of the internet, people still predict the death of live media and live broadcast. They remain wrong. Internet radio will adapt to become as simple as the transistor radio is today.

2) I can play my internet radio station on an iPhone anywhere that 3G service is available. However, I would not purchase a $100 radio and a $50/month contract just to listen to internet radio. If the cost was $20, and the contract non-existant (in some download-only data plan, for example), then everyone could get one for the car and internet radio would explode.

3) live broadcast will never die. I've gotten into several arguments with people who think that since I can just "listen to a podcast," then live broadcast media is effectively dead. This is obviously false, since people seem to tend to want to be part of the crowd, and therefore will want to be listening to the same thing at the same time; that is, live broadcast, or "radio."

I believe internet radio will become ubiquitous. Internet video and TV will only happen /after/ internet radio becomes normal.

-dave

Re:Not really seeing the market... (3, Interesting)

jeroen94704 (542819) | more than 4 years ago | (#32145238)

Well, I have an HTPC, but still I recently built and installed a DIY-version of the Squeezebox [mightyohm.com] . Why? Because for listening to music an HTPC is a bit impractical (need to switch on TV, HTPC and Amp) and overkill (That's a full fledged PC used exclusively to play a dinky little FLAC/MP3). Also, it's nice to have an internet radio/alarm clock in your bedroom, or be able to distribute music throughout your home.

Sony Dash - touchscreen for mother (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32145612)

How about the Sony Dash?

Sure, it costs $199 but it has wireless wifi, has a 7 inch touch screen, acts as an alarm clock as well as streams video from Netflix Youtube and whatever to it's 7" screen with a higher resolution than a DVD and also does Pandora and other Internet Radio. It can also check the weather/news etc and has a customizable "desktop". It has over 1500 custom free apps available for it and you can use it to check as well as send your email.

I just found out about it yesterday and am seriously thinking about getting it for my mother. She isn't very good with computers but loves Star Trek and could definitely get into using it's touch screen like she's seen on Star Trek. It's also really good looking and is shaped much like a clock/radio she already has. I think it would be a really good bridge for her to get used to using computers, and I could actually finally email her if she had it sitting next to where she normally sits! Here is a link to the official page for the Dash, I also found it for sale at Newegg.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666081675

I would have logged in to post this but I'm at work and don't remember my current password.

The State of Multicast? (1)

thms (1339227) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142858)

And on the other end(s) of the loudspeaker, is the idea of multicasting going anywhere? After radio more and more TV, eventually in HD, will be streamed and having a full 1-1 connection for every client seems terribly wasteful.

Is multicast tied too tighly to IPv6, already obsolete, can it be jury-rigged into IPv4 by the ISP and a smart enough router? I always feel bad when listening to a niche radio station for the bandwidth cost I incurr...

Re:The State of Multicast? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142914)

I'm not a network guy and always wonder about multicast. In principle it seems so useful and simple. If it's implemented in ipv4, why is it that no broadcaster or p2p service gets to use it?

Re:The State of Multicast? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142968)

If it's implemented in ipv4, why is it that no broadcaster or p2p service gets to use it?

It works over LANs but not the Internet. As I understand it, this is because the backbone providers and the last-mile ISPs don't know how to bill for multicast traffic.

Re:The State of Multicast? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142916)

If you weren't paying for it, you probably wouldn't be able to use it.

Re:The State of Multicast? (1)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142948)

Is multicast tied too tighly to IPv6, already obsolete, can it be jury-rigged into IPv4 by the ISP and a smart enough router? I always feel bad when listening to a niche radio station for the bandwidth cost I incurr...

You seem like a troll (because you say IPv6 is obsolete). Multicast was designed on IPv4.

Re:The State of Multicast? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142992)

Is multicast tied too tighly to IPv6, already obsolete

You seem like a troll (because you say IPv6 is obsolete).

No, he was saying "Is multicast tied to tightly to IPv6, is multicast already obsolete, etc"

Re:The State of Multicast? (0, Troll)

thms (1339227) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143106)

Indeed, fellow literate :) - And troll is such a harsh word...

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. (not saying whose)

Does it think too far ahead and thus has the same problems as IPv6? Does some other technology make it obsolete for carriers? Such as maybe the technology of deep packet inspection and bundling known internet streams into one.

Waste of bandwidth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142902)

If I'm going to spend my bandwidth with audio, it better be something I get to KEEP. So, thanks but no thanks, I'll stick with torrenting.

Re:Waste of bandwidth (1)

jubei (89485) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143008)

Streaming sources like Pandora and Last.FM are free and legal. I don't have to search for music I like, and I don't have to worry about running out of storage space.

Re:Waste of bandwidth (2, Insightful)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143244)

Streaming sources like Pandora and Last.FM are free and legal.

Yes, if you don't count any country besides the US, UK and Germany.

Re:Waste of bandwidth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32144926)

What, you count those other countries?

Re:Waste of bandwidth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32144538)

TuneIn Radio (http://www.tunein-radio.com) for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad lets you record streams. I just started using this app last week and it's the nicest Internet radio player i've ever seen (be even better when iPhone OS 4.0 and multitasking is released).

The price is a reasonable £1.19 (or $1.99 in funny money).

pricepoint is a repulsive word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142974)

what is wrong with price ?
pricepoint is pretensious market speak, use of which indicates lack of thought

Re:pricepoint is a repulsive word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143000)

Misspelling "pretentious" indicates pretense.

Ipod Touch fulfills that function and many more (5, Insightful)

riker1384 (735780) | more than 4 years ago | (#32142980)

An Ipod Touch can receive Internet radio through various apps, and it can fulfill many other functions as well. Why bother buying these one-purpose devices that usually cost almost as much, if not more than an 8GB Ipod Touch? There are probably smartphones (including the iPhone) that can do it, as well.

Re:Ipod Touch fulfills that function and many more (1)

Mutio (1204504) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143178)

Exactly, I'm a paying pandora user and have many other internet radio stations that I use regularly. The answer to this is my Android phone, there are multiple apps for internet radio (shoutcast and others) and there is a dedicated Pandora app. With a touchscreen, and a very close price (i got my phone for $200 Ebay), i see no need for a device like this.

Re:Ipod Touch fulfills that function and many more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143306)

But you could get the specialized device AND an iPod Touch to control it.

Re:Ipod Touch fulfills that function and many more (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143328)

Why bother buying these one-purpose devices that usually cost almost as much

Better sound quality?

Re:Ipod Touch fulfills that function and many more (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143506)

Better sound quality?

Buh? An iPod is capable of providing higher quality audio than any of the internet radio streams offer, so what are you talking about?

Re:Ipod Touch fulfills that function and many more (1)

MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143874)

SomaFM [somafm.com] is offering its Groove Salad station in 128 kbps AAC.

So then you agree? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144046)

SomaFM is offering its Groove Salad station in 128 kbps AAC.

And what is your point? The Touch can reproduce audio with a lot higher quality than a 128kbps stream offers... itunes by default now is 256k for music.

Really though, the question would be how well each device would do with audio output... I think either would be more than able to reproduce a 128k stream perfectly well, but as the original poster noted a Touch is more flexible.

Re:So then you agree? (1)

MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144860)

My understanding is that 128 kbps AAC is better than CD quality. What is the source material?

My point is just that nearly any device capable of decoding an AAC stream can produce extremely high quality music. Most headphone jacks, even very cheap ones, have a very flat frequency response and little noise, especially considering the final amplifier.

Re:So then you agree? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32145962)

My understanding is that 128 kbps AAC is better than CD quality. What is the source material?

From the 2 or 3 posts I've read of yours so far, it's absolutely crystal clear that you have NO IDEA what you're talking about and are 100% out of your element. I'd suggest taking Lincoln's maxim to heart: "Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." OTOH, from the nature of what you've written, you probably have no idea what that saying even means...

Re:Ipod Touch fulfills that function and many more (2, Informative)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143670)

Except for the ability to use YouTube on it. Or play J2ME games on it. Or make phone calls. Or make photos. Or install what you like. Or have infinite space trough a memory card slot. Etc, etc, etc. ;) (I’m not informed on the latest from Apple, so feel free to remove what is now available.)
I’m not saying you shouldn’t use what you like. Go ahead, have fun! :)

I’m just saying that my mobile phone does all of the above, and lots more, costs less, and the sound quality is great. I use a Internet flat-rate with it that costs me 20€ a month.

So in some way I agree, but think an Apple product is a bad example. (For the above reasons.)

Internet Radio is already completely affordable. I have lots of ShoutCast streams on there. And I can stream my whole collection from home.

Touch comes with YouTube. (2, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144092)

Except for the ability to use YouTube on it.

Dude, it ships with a YouTube app!

Or play J2ME games on it.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Wouldn't you rather play some of the literally 50k commercially produced games that are in fact written for the Touch??

I seriously cannot believe you are saying you'd rather buy a device that supports J2ME over a Touch for GAMES!!!

I'm just saying that my mobile phone does all of the above

Right, it "does" that in the same way a rock and a stream "does" laundry.

I use a Internet flat-rate with it that costs me 20 a month.

The Touch is even cheaper since it uses your home WiFi.

Since we are talking about a home solution for internet radio...

Re:Ipod Touch fulfills that function and many more (2, Insightful)

discojohnson (930368) | more than 4 years ago | (#32145018)

Because it just works simply enough that I turn it on and turn it up. No crazy menus or the like. My kids can use it. Plus it does one thing well, unlike the bolt-on camera on my phone. I do not have an Internet radio standalone unit, but I do have a divx player that my 4 year old operates (no moving parts and no disks). The price point still makes me cringe though, and historically these web music players have been overpriced. My $70 picture frame is wireless, gets images over UPnP, but can still stream divx (with sound) off the network (why?) and has room for flicker feeds. If it can do all that and still have a good pricepoint, why not these specialized units?

Internet radio ? No thanks, at least here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32142984)

where I live internet connections fail for at least a hour (if not days...) whenever a thunderstom strikes our village. On the other hand, most AM/FM and TV stations here are unaffected by power failures. It seems a good reason to keep my good old Sony.

Re:Internet radio ? No thanks, at least here... (1)

ctrl-alt-canc (977108) | more than 4 years ago | (#32145512)

Another good reason to keep your Sony is that power consumption for a radio receiver is usually quite small. I just measured the absorption of my radio receiver: it absorbs a mere 0.5 W while keeping the volume high enough to fill the kitchen with music. The internet receiver described in the article if I am right absorbs 2 W while running, 1 in standby. To this you have to add the power needed for powering up your network router, so you probably have to burn about 10 W for listening to the radio. Can we label internet radio as a green technology ?!?

older palm tops work well too (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143080)

Older palm tops like my Nokia 770 work well too. I have an old P75 with Debian and Darwin Streaming Server installed, plays my mp3 collection non stop on a few different play lists, I use the Nokia as a radio while mowing the lawn.

Streaming media is a crock (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143126)

Internet radio can't be cheap as long as unreasonable download caps exist, as are common, at least in Canada. Broadcast radio costs effectively nothing, leave the radio on 24/7 if you want. If you try that with your net connection you'll be paying for surplus usage long before the month end.

Re:Streaming media is a crock (1)

MobyTurbo (537363) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143470)

Internet radio can't be cheap as long as unreasonable download caps exist, as are common, at least in Canada. Broadcast radio costs effectively nothing, leave the radio on 24/7 if you want. If you try that with your net connection you'll be paying for surplus usage long before the month end.

Maybe for Canada, for USAians, we typically have "unlimited" service which is quite reasonable. Now, if you start running servers or doing a lot of bittorrent, you'll get temporarily capped or even booted off for running a server against your TOS, because upstream bandwidth is rationed, but downloading a radio stream at 128kbps? No problem.

Re:Streaming media is a crock (1)

corychristison (951993) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143730)

Not sure where you live in Canada...
I live in Saskatchewan. The provincial gov't owned Sasktel does not impose any caps that I am aware of (well, at least they don't enforce them, if they do define them in the ToS).

I would consider myself a heavy internet user in the sense that I download a lot (various sources, and mostly legal). I used to run a web server for development and testing but now rent a very cheap VPS after my hardware died. My wife watches and listens to streaming media daily while I'm at work (she's on maternity leave at the moment).

Re:Streaming media is a crock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32144040)

I'm in Ontario and use a third party dsl provider with a reasonable limit that isn't enforced but Bell has just been given the right to enforce caps on their resellers. Rogers is no better.

Anyway the real problem with commercial streaming media is that you pay for it twice when you listen to it and you don't even get to keep it for repeat listening.

You don't pay Shoutcast (for example) for any of their streams but they still have an associated cost that you pay your provider.

Then again Broadcast radio has an associated cost to your sanity from the advertising and inane DJ chatter.

Software radio=better. (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143204)

Internet radio? What if the internet goes down? Now software radio on the other hand can be useful in all sorts of situations whether you use the internet or not.

Opensource (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143220)

Icecast + Liquidsoap is all you need for your internet radio broadcast needs.

O2 Joggler (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143222)

Bit late now, but O2 here in the UK had O2 Joggler's going for £50 ($75) for a fortnight last month.

So who need Internet Radio? (1)

BrentRJones (68067) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143252)

What is the point?

Re:So who need Internet Radio? (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143668)

Maybe you should get out more.

Nowadays, few people are born, grow up, settle down, marry, get children, grow old and die in the same little village.

There is a whole world out there with hundreds of countries and thousands of states, with thousands of radio stations, that you cannot receive over the air in your little burg.

Re:So who need Internet Radio? (1)

Internalist (928097) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143860)

I was going to post something about that statement maybe being valid in North America and Western Europe, but not for the bulk of the world's population, but it turns out that a few minutes' Googling hasn't given me anything to back my position up with...go figure.

Useless "review" (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143262)

The entire review is apparently predicated on the idea that you'll control the thing from an iPod Touch or iPhone.

If you have an iPod Touch or iPhone, what the hell do you need this thing for?

Tell us what it's like to actually use the device itself.

Roku SoundBridge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143292)

You can usually pick up a Roku SoundBridge from ebay for about £50. Excellent devices :-)

radio is free why would i pay for internet radio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143442)

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Convergent device (1)

irober02 (1320181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143444)

I've a couple of DAB+ digital radios that also have WiFi/LAN connection options so I can tune in or play music from UPNP shares on my home network and network radio (and FM broadcast too but I've no need for that as the broadcast stations of interest to my ears all broadcast digitally now). I quite like these Linux-driven devices and think the convergence quite handy - clock radios that can play practically any audio content I'm interested in. I hardly ever use them as network radios but, should I have a sudden desire for some Romanian Gypsy Pop Fusion, I'll know where to turn ;-)

Teguh Alam Hidayat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32143478)

wasn't it already free?

Teguh Alam Hidayat

One more vote for Squeezebox (2, Informative)

r3b00tm0nk3y (806499) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143572)

It's worth a bit more but worth it. The cumulative benefit of the system is great, considering you can add nodes easily once its in place and sync or not sync. Especially awesome when combined with MusicIP.

TFA looks like a troll. There are actually a lot of devices out there which meet the criteria.

If you're conscious about price and have lax wireless security get find a linksys wmls11b on line. For $30-40 it can't be beat!

Mod whole story "slashvertisement". (1)

mattdm (1931) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143688)

Seriously.

$100 isn't that big a deal for an Internet Radio (1)

uksv29 (167362) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143706)

I've had a freecom Internet Radio[1] for about 2 years now which cost about $100 (GBP 60).

Its a flexible unit with WLAN, Ethernet etc.

Andy

[1] http://www.freecom.com/product.asp?CatID=1148017

Slashvertisement (1)

kriston (7886) | more than 4 years ago | (#32143716)

This is a veiled slashvertisement for Parallax Propellor.

In related news, each of my WiFi internet radios cost under $150.
We're almost there already.

I just broadcast in FM (1)

cat_jesus (525334) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144148)

I got myself a ramsey fm transmitter from here [ramseyelectronics.com] and hooked up a cheap dedicated PC with my 3 terabyte music collection and I can hear my music from anywhere in the house or outside on cheap fm radios.

Sometimes people over think things.

Um...how is this better than AirTunes/PandoraJam? (1)

droopus (33472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144356)

What am I missing here?

Ok, I run wifi via an Airport Extreme and Optimum Boost [custhelp.com] (30mbps down, $10 a month extra.)

I have four Airport Expresses [apple.com] with AirTunes and PandoraJam [bitcartel.com] sending either "radio" (AirTunes) or Pandora to each Express, each hooked up to its own stereo/wireless speakers.

I can send different content to each Express, which I don't think a Roku/Grace device can do. So what's the advantage? Serious question, not being rhetorical....

No thanks. (1)

nataflux (1733716) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144378)

Or I can just set up my psp/droid phone/netbook to my sound system and stream 128k+ shoutcast stations for free

Streamtuner (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144650)

Streamtuner works for me. One does need a good internet connection of course, else the sound will be choppy on these things.

ARIR-205 (1)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 4 years ago | (#32144770)

I've had one of these for over a year, and it works very well. It also receives AM and FM stereo, has 512 megs of memory for audio record/playback and also will play files off a USB drive. It doesn't do AAC, but does do Real Audio. It has a headphone output and sounds quite good. It works with an Internet portal. It also has personalized weather forecasts, an atomic clock, alarm, and works with Slacker, etc.

83 dollars including shipping and also comes with a wireless access point.

http://www.amazon.com/RCA-RIR205-Infinite-Tabletop-Internet/dp/B0016OI1BY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1273383534&sr=8-1 [amazon.com]

They also sell an RCA branded one for the same price:

http://www.amazon.com/RCA-RIR205-Infinite-Tabletop-Internet/dp/B0016OI1BY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1273383900&sr=1-2 [amazon.com]

Revos (1)

Noodlenose (537591) | more than 4 years ago | (#32145384)

Most Revo models do DAB, DAB+, Wifi or Ethernet powered internet radio, FM, play your Windoze hd and your ipod. http://revo.co.uk/ [revo.co.uk]

NN

Internet radio is great, but... (1)

Peet42 (904274) | more than 4 years ago | (#32145396)

I bought a refurbished Revo Blik a few months back, and it's fantastic! The only problem is if I go to bed having queued up three or four files on BitTorrent it's impossible to listen to it as you fall asleep - you get five seconds of sound, ten seconds of silence repeated until the BT download finishes.

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