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Mandriva Up For Sale

StoneLion posted more than 4 years ago | from the sic-transit-gloria-mandrake dept.

Linux Business 167

The French company that creates and sells the Mandriva Linux distribution is up for sale. The news about Mandriva SA originally surfaced on a French Mandriva portal, and was confirmed by one of the potential buyers. Mandriva the distribution is a merger of the former MandrakeLinux and Conectiva distros. Mandriva the company is no stranger to hard times, having sought bankruptcy protection in the past.

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Wow (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172426)

Why pay when you can bittorrent it for free?

Re:Wow (1)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172520)

Hey, I know this is Slashdot, but usually, posters will at least read the summary to understand part of the news, not just the title!

If you'd read the summary, you'd understand that they're not starting to sell the distribution to customers, but that the "company" itself is up for sale! Didn't RTFA, but that's what I understand reading the summary.

But this is Slashdot eh! Summaries are not *always* good...

Re:Wow (-1, Flamebait)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172572)

If you'd read the summary, you'd understand that they're not starting to sell the distribution to customers, but that the "company" itself is up for sale! Didn't RTFA, but that's what I understand reading the summary.

Yeah asshole. If you'd RTFA you would understand that Man-Drive-A is selling sexual products for men that run Linux.

Re:Wow (2, Funny)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172652)

Yeah asshole. If you'd RTFA you would understand that Man-Drive-A is selling sexual products for men that run Linux.

I think you didn't read the right article... it was on the OTHER tab of your browser, the one where there was no porn and where you posted this piece of anthology.

Re:Wow (2, Funny)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172686)

There is no porn on Slashdot? Man, am I in the wrong place!

Re:Wow (1)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173388)

There is no porn on Slashdot? Man, am I in the wrong place!

Rule 34 and all that, but I sincerely doubt you'd want to see Slashdot porn.

Re:Wow (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173496)

I, for one, welcome our new erotic Natalie Portman and hot grits overlords!

Re:Wow (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173858)

There is no porn on Slashdot? Man, am I in the wrong place!

Only ASCII Goatse from time to time. Hmm, perhaps the occasional links to photos of naked digital circuits could count as well.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172658)

Wooosh!!!

I love and use mandriva (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172428)

So I tried to put in a bid, but I can't get my printer to work with my maching

Re:I love and use mandriva (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172994)

Teach you for using a 10 year old printer

Short of cheap ass garbage printers or old junk Every HP, Epson,Xerox, canon printer works with linux. Even my new Epson R810 prints without a hitch.

Re:I love and use mandriva (2, Funny)

hduff (570443) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173600)

So I tried to put in a bid, but I can't get my printer to work with my maching

Then uninstall Ubuntu and use something that works.

Frist psot!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172432)

Frist psot!!

Re:Frist psot!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172808)

Epic Troll Fail.

I'll Bid One Dollar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172456)

... Someone have 75 cents I can borrow?

Poor Mandrake (3, Interesting)

gorzek (647352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172486)

Whatever happened to these guys? Mandrake was actually my first foray into Linux. I remember it being quite user-friendly, it was just in the late '90's so driver support was dodgy. I kept it around on one computer or another for years until I finally gave up on it and went to Ubuntu. Just felt like it fell behind the times and was no longer the easiest Linux to use anymore.

Re:Poor Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172542)

Yep, sorrybuntu Mandriva, someone else is eating your piece of the pie.

Re:Poor Mandrake (3, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172588)

Just felt like it fell behind the times and was no longer the easiest Linux to use anymore.

It's amazing what having millions of dollars to throw into a software project can do.

To my knowledge, Mandriva did not have someone behind it with loads of money.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172920)

It's amazing what having millions of dollars to throw into a software project can do.

That won't be continuing for much longer, mark my words (no pun intended).

Re:Poor Mandrake (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172632)

What happened is that Mandriva could not out-compete Ubuntu when it came to user-friendliness, probably because Canonical has a magical supply of money that Mandriva does not. Mandriva also seemed to be targeting the wrong markets: they should have gone after the enterprise server market, where the money is, rather than the desktop Linux market, where there really is not that much money to go around. With so many no-cost Linux distros around, and with those distros becoming easier and easier for people to use, trying to sell a "power pack" is really not the best strategy, especially not in tough economic times.

Oh well, one business goes bankrupt, another comes to be. This is not the end of the Linux business, it is just the end of one of the well known players.

Re:Poor Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172832)

As someone who used both Mandriva/Mandrake and Ubuntu, I beg to differ. Mandriva is indeed more user-friendly and has a far better KDE desktop (Mandrake actually came about as a KDE-based alternative to RedHat back then). Ubuntu has more marketing muscle and has built a larger community because of that.

Re:Poor Mandrake (2, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172936)

Meh. I dumped Mandrake for Debian over package management.

Ubuntu has a much better user community behind it that drives a lot of their tweaks. It's not just
about the Sugar Daddy. A lot of the end users are trying to find ways to make the distribution
better. This makes quite a bit of difference. It also helps that there is a framework in place to
accomodate them.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173314)

Meh. I dumped Mandrake for Debian over package management.

And I dropped Debian for Gentoo over package management. What's yer point (oh yeah, the rest of the post)? Well said. (;

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173946)

Fortunately, I don't have to put up with what Gentoo tries to call package management in order to take advantage of it's community and documentation.

There are a number of parallels between Ubuntu and Gentoo. Mandrake probably finds it hard to compete against either.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173482)

All hail the mighty apt-get!.....and screw RPM.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173786)

You realize the two are neither comparable nor exclusive?

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173990)

Yes. rpm is not comparable to apt-get. That's kind of the point.

Debian had the whole package management thing figured out long before anyone else did.

Ubuntu added bells and whistles.

Re:Poor Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32174268)

Conectiva used both apt-get and RPM, and it worked quite well.

When Mandrake assimilated Conectiva and became Mandriva they basically dropped Connectiva and their internal package development tools. I've been told that Mandrake used to create their packages, basically, by hand. How amateurish is that?
The Conectiva team started to work on Mandriva and were supposed to enhance that distro. They manage to do that, but they had to do many things from scratch. It seems that the few things recovered from Conectiva were certain packages which were adapted to Mandrake, or "so I've been told".

While it feels sad for Mandriva, I'm more sad for the Conectiva guys.
While Mandriva-Conectiva is a good team, back in Conectiva-alone days they used to be a terrific. That team slowly eroded and now most of the old people are scattered in Red Hat, Canonical and even Microsoft and some other random places.

There were reasons Conectiva got into trouble years ago, and some of those came from within, caused by certain people made very naive business decisions, there was also gross mismanagement. One previous owner even backstabbed the company and stole clients from it, like 10 years ago. Or so it was heard in the corridors.

I think that Mandriva has a future if bought by Canonical (and not left to rot afterwards!), otherwise I really don't know.

Re:Poor Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32174370)

But Kubuntu is a far cry from the slick Mandriva KDE desktop.

Say as much as you want, but if Mandriva goes under we are losing one of the best KDE4 distro's around.

Also - do not forget Mandriva contributed more to FOSS than Ubuntu ever did.

Re:Poor Mandrake (5, Insightful)

gorzek (647352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172866)

Looking at it another way, Mandrake at least proved a user-friendly Linux was *possible*. Without that, we may not have had Ubuntu at all. The Linux community is indebted to the trail Mandrake blazed, but its time has long since passed, and all the money is behind Ubuntu now.

I don't mind that, as I like Ubuntu a lot, and have found it a remarkably easy distro to set up and use.

I suppose it's inevitable that Linux distros will be born, reach their peak, decline, and die. Diversity in the Linux ecosystem is a good thing. When (not if!) Ubuntu starts to slack, someone else will step up and replace it with something even better.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 4 years ago | (#32174376)

When (not if!) Ubuntu starts to slack, someone else will step up and replace it with something even better.

It's happened already. The last few releases of ubuntu have been horrible. Please, oh please let someone else to step up and replace it with something better.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173188)

What happened is that Mandriva could not out-compete Ubuntu when it came to user-friendliness, probably because

Ubuntu is based on the superior Debian distribution and Mandriva is a Red Hat based distribution? And Debian is a lot more active than RHAT?

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173836)

And Debian is a lot more active than RHAT?

Explains why Red Hat is contributing so much code to upstream projects? And that Red Hat wrote a lot of tools that Ubuntu fell in love with (Network Manager, for example)?

Re:Poor Mandrake (1, Interesting)

Third Position (1725934) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172706)

I first used Mandrake 7.3, which I was really impressed with. But subsequent releases were a lot less tight, and eventually after they merged with Conectiva their releases became a total loss.

I eventually got fed up with having to switch distros every couple of years, from SLS to Slackware to Caldera to RedHat to Mandrake, every time the premier vendor went down the crapper, and just got a Mac.

Re:Poor Mandrake (2, Insightful)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172816)

Slackware and RedHat are still going strong.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172908)

Slackware had the uncertainty of Patrick's situation, the perception that the base was allowed to become stale, and the removal of gnome from the officially supported base. RedHat had a nice little garden that they diced up with paywalls... No too hard to build from source, but still, it turned me onto deb.

Anyhow, the GP has a pretty valid point IMO.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

schon (31600) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173040)

Slackware had the uncertainty of Patrick's situation, the perception that the base was allowed to become stale

And those mean that it's no longer being supported?

Sorry, it really is still going strong.

the removal of gnome from the officially supported base

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I mean, c'mon.. if you're gonna bash Slackware, at least come up with something that's true (like that it's text-based install is intimidating to new users, or that it's all too willing to let you shoot yourself in the foot.)

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173342)

I mean, c'mon.. if you're gonna bash FreeBSD, at least come up with something that's true (like that it's text-based install is intimidating to new users, or that it's all too willing to let you shoot yourself in the foot.)

FTFY (and I use and like FreeBSD).

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173410)

I'm not bashing Slackware. If deb stable didn't give me everything I wanted for my servers I would be on Slackware.

The CentOS drama from a couple of months ago bothered me more than any of the things I mentioned last post about Slackware.

The things I pointed out all challenged the air of permanence that had built up around Slackware, though.

If I were going to knock Slackware my comment would be more about other distros than about Slack itself, ie: You can start with any major distro repos and build minimal servers with ease these days.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172708)

They went broke a couple of times. And as you mentioned, they fell a bit behind.

That seems to be the problem with linux distros... They start with some revolutionary idea or ideal. They get adopted, and their userbase grows and starts having expectations about how the distro functions. As more and more people users get added, the developers become locked into specific technologies and implementations. Instead of devoting resources to trying new things, they have to support their userbase's needs. Then a different upstart bunch gets another revolutionary idea, and try that out.

I loved Mandrake as well, and am sad to see how it has been languishing for years.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173006)

mandrake died the day that "mandriva 10" came out. before that they were on the cutting edge and the most useful and pretty darn stable. they were betterthan RedHat at the time.

Then the mess happened. Unstable, broken, etc.... People left in droves.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173850)

Mandriva 10.x was possibly the worst POS I've ever used. They didn't really get their act back together until the 2008.0 release.

Re:Poor Mandrake (3, Interesting)

hduff (570443) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173366)

What happened?

1. Poor management decisions after the IPO took the company far afield from its core business and sent them into bankruptcy. They did emerge (not a common things in French bankruptcies), but seemed to have lost their edge. They kept trying to modify a consumer-based business model (vice and Enterprise model) and kept failing.

2. Their graphics always sucked. They were very cartoon-ish and not enticing the way, sat, Ubuntu graphics were, so it was difficult to have a "cool factor" to bring in younger users.

3. Loss of vision. They initially wanted to do "RedHat Done Better", but decided to abandon RedHat's python-based tools for their own perl-based tools because, well, RedHat's sucked, but it took a lot of time, manpower and money to re-invent the wheel. They let "we-have-better-way-dammit" influence far too many of their decisions

4. They lost a lot of their original core in-house developers and a lot of their community supporters because of their management decision s and choices. That meant they lost a lot of their momentum.

I hope they find a buyer that will take them back to their original vision and revitalize one of the nicer distros. They had excellent implementations of the popular desktops, great user and admin tools.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173418)

Linux driver support is still dodgy. The kernel that ships with Ubuntu 10.04 has broken support for rt2870 802.11N wireless cards, and even broken support for NVidia 9500GT graphics cards, though the later is fixed in an update. WiFi users will still find themselves tearing their hair out, even with the latest-and-greatest Linux distro.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

gorzek (647352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173602)

Really? Maybe I've just gotten lucky, but I've installed Ubuntu on a few laptops in recent years and the WiFi worked right out of the box. One of them had an Atheros card and the other had an Intel card. Totally plug-and-play with no setup.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#32174130)

How about Broadcom? A good 80%+ of the laptops that cross my desk come with broadcom chips, and after trying too damned long to get broadcom working on my Dell I said fuck that noise. I mean it is real nice they got Intel and whoever that other one is, but that is like saying you support everything BUT Realtek sound, ignoring the fact Realtek is the biggest onboard sound manufacturer.

But you look at the biggest selling laptops, which in my experience is the sub $600 models, and nearly every single one is running broadcom. I don't know if it is different now because I gave up at 9.04, but I know when I was trying to run Linux broadcom was definitely a hair puller.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

gorzek (647352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32174246)

I haven't had a laptop with a Broadcom in it for several years, so I don't know how the support is these days. Sounds like Linux still has a ways to go in that area, though.

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#32174396)

I have one old broadcom-based airlink 802.11g card, and it has always worked fine. Which is even more of a useless anecdote than what you're saying because I forget what model number it is, but not by much. IIRC I did have to activate the driver while plugged in.

Re:Poor Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32173468)

I dont know, I used to love mandrake, then one day I woke up and it was mandrivia, and could not get it anywhere else but from their store

so I bought the 10-11$ cd waited for it, and when it got to me I could never get it to install, I couldn't figure it out, mandrake ran fine, they changed the name and had me buy a stupid cd and now it doesn't work on the same machine

whatever move along, there's plenty of linux distros to choose from

Re:Poor Mandrake (1)

naplam33 (1751266) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173660)

it was the ubuntu of the time. But at least it was based on Redhat. Then came that thing.. debian... argh...

Wonder why? (4, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172488)

I wanted to like Mandriva (or Mandrake as it was then called) but the configuration interfaces were just too confusing. But the real kicker was the lack of documentation and community support online.

These are two things Ubuntu has done right. I think it's easy to see why Ubuntu stole Mandriva's thunder.

Re:Wonder why? (1)

carp3_noct3m (1185697) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172774)

I don't know, back in the day when I started trying out Mandrake it was the Ubuntu of the time. (2000ish) It had gui installation and was generally easier to deal with that redhat or the other popular distros. Once you had it installed however, it did lack the substance of the other distros IMO.

Re:Wonder why? (1)

mrclisdue (1321513) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172914)

I began my foray into Linux with Mandrake, so I can *thank* the distro for that.

Not *bashing* 'buntu, but I can sense history repeating itself.

For the record, I use slack. Also, ftr, any *nix is fine by me.

just sayin'

Re:Wonder why? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172966)

I think it's easy to see why Ubuntu stole Mandriva's thunder.

Yes, it is. He has a name and a net worth of about $225 million.

Re:Wonder why? (1)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173310)

Mandrake was also my first distribution, and it's the whole reason I started looking for Linux distributions that had good documentation and stuck to standard naming conventions. I spent upwards of 2-3 weekends trying to figure out why I couldn't configure my sound card on the command line... only to find out that Mandrake devs had removed "alsaconfig" in favor of GUI-only "draksound", so all the tutorials I had read were for naught. I switched to Fedora, openSUSE, then eventually Gentoo, and now I'm happily using Arch Linux.

Re:Wonder why? (1)

hduff (570443) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173800)

I spent upwards of 2-3 weekends trying to figure out why I couldn't configure my sound card on the command line... only to find out that Mandrake devs had removed "alsaconfig" in favor of GUI-only "draksound", so all the tutorials I had read were for naught.

Well, alsaconf/alsaconfig was available if you wanted to install it. Had you read the Mandriva docs or asked in the forums, you would have been using drakconf from the command line. That's been the default command-line configuration tool for Mandriva for quite some time.

Re:Wonder why? (1)

hduff (570443) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173698)

But the real kicker was the lack of documentation and community support online.

These are two things Ubuntu has done right. I think it's easy to see why Ubuntu stole Mandriva's thunder.

Mandrake had great user support/interaction. Mandriva screwed with that every release until they broke it completely.

I helped work on their documentation as a volunteer until their stupid management made it horrible to do productive work for them.

Re:Wonder why? (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 4 years ago | (#32174048)

I believe what Ubuntu has done right was the marketing part of it. e.g. sending out free CDs to people. That generated a HUGE amount of people willing to give it a try. Because of the amount of people, community support comes by itself.
Next to that running it from a live CD by default was a great idea as well.

He just used the AOL trick and it worked.

Buy? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172494)

What value is there to buying a Linux distribution? I'll give them $5 but I think I'd be getting ripped off.

But... (0)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172532)

Mandriva is essentially a repackaged Red Hat distro... how much can it cost to maintain? Too bad there aren't any alternatives [wikipedia.org] .

Re:But... (4, Informative)

Intron (870560) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172644)

You're thinking of CentOS. Mandriva is a separately maintained distro. It takes a lot of work to test and package a distro.

Re:But... (2, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172854)

Mmmmm...no he's thinking of Mandrake at a time when Red Hat Linux, the desktop distro, as opposed to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, the enterprise server distro, was still around.

Mandrake, like SuSE and Caldera, started life as a repackaged Red Hat Linux (7/8/9) that used KDE by default, rather than GNOME. (Back then, virtually all commercial distros were in someway or another derived from Red Hat)

Caldera morphed into the SCO Group, SuSE got bought by Novell and became the only serious competitor to RHEL in the enterprise server market, and Madrake and Conectiva merged and have finally failed.

Now you kids can get off of my lawn.

Re:But... (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172926)

My apologies... my impressions of Mandriva were formed many years ago when it was Mandrake. At the time, it was much easier to install than Windows and any other Linux distros I looked at. But I obviously haven't kept up with it lately.

Re:But... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172992)

I haven't kept up much. But I do test a wide variety of Linux distros every now and then on VirtualBox.

Re:But... (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173892)

It's still got a great installer. And I'd match urpmi up against apt.

Re:But... (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 4 years ago | (#32174224)

SUSE (Not SuSE anymore since 2003) has a basis in Slackware, not RedHat. The fact that it uses RPM does not mean that the origins are at RedHat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_distributions#The_origins [wikipedia.org]

Seems it is my lawn, not yours, so get of it.

Re:But... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32174276)

At least with one distro your memory is failing you, old man ;)

SUSE is the oldest active commercial distribution, and second oldest active overall (only Slackware is slightly older; SUSE started as a modification of it and later built on Jurix (creator of which joined them), another early distro; Slackware itself was mostly a modification of SLS back then). It has over 16 years by now. It was a serious competitor, at least outside of the US, a long time before Novell.

Just because it adopted RPM (quite a bit modified by now) and Red Hat config style at some point, doesn't mean it was ever a repackaged Red Hat...

Re:But... (3, Informative)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172696)

Mandriva forked from Red Hat many years ago, and has really been independent since then. They employ something like 70 people, and they do actually sell shrink wrapped packages (last I checked), and they have servers and advertising to pay for. The real problem is that they never had a firm grip on their market (the desktop Linux market, which is admittedly a difficult market to really get a firm grip on) and they could not compete with Canonical's magic money supply.

Re:But... (2, Interesting)

zlogic (892404) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173026)

Ubuntu follows a different philisophy than Mandrake. Mandrake added a control panel which wrote configuration files from scratch, was complex and sometimes borked the configuration, pretty much like Windows does. Early Ubuntu versions didn't have ANY custom configuration tools, except for dpkg-reconfigure, which meant changes were made from a single place and remained consistent, unlike Mandrake's DrakX which could potentially conflict with changes made from Gnome's or KDE's control panel.
Also, Mandrake had the whole OS supplied on several CDs, which was nice when internet was slow and expensive. Ubuntu's "download everything from the net" philosophy and a large package collection, borrowed from Debian, had a lot more software than Mandrake.
Mandrake seemed to focus more on aesthetics and ease-of-use instead of Ubuntu's improvements under the hood. This resulted in lower-quality software that often crashed or developed bizarre glitches, but the installer and control center allowed someone without Linux experience to use the produce, except for when something went horribly wrong and xfee or the boot process failed because of a broken config.

Re:But... (2, Interesting)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173256)

I remember seeing a Mandrake box in a Wal-Mart in a small town in central Illinois some years back The tread where other Linux distros feared to, at the time...marketing to the masses. Not even Ubuntu has had shrink wrapped boxes in Wal-Mart.

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32173852)

They employ something like 70 people,

How many in France? France has, uh, rather generous worker protection legislation. I fear bringing this up and sparking tired /. flame wars & trolling, but this might have had something to do with why they cannot cut down quickly enough to survive.

If anyone close to the source could comment before this thread is buried in aforementioned garbage, that might be illuminating on another way Mandriva has had to operate differently than Ubuntu.

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32173078)

Mandriva is essentially a repackaged Red Hat distro... how much can it cost to maintain? Too bad there aren't any alternatives [wikipedia.org] .

Crippled Red Had distro more like it.

Re:But... (1)

hduff (570443) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173436)

Mandriva is essentially a repackaged Red Hat distro... how much can it cost to maintain? Too bad there aren't any alternatives [wikipedia.org] .

It is not. The installer and package manager are all unique to Mandriva as are the admin tools (except for the printing tool in 2010).

It was as you say until release 7.x, then they began to diverge quite a bit.

I formally offer... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172540)

$5 USD

Re:I formally offer... (1)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172812)

So would I, but I can't be sure they'd give me my $4.99 change.

So... (1)

KDEnut (1673932) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172566)

Mandribuntu?

Re:So... (1)

flahwho (1243110) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173060)

only if it has KDENOME!

Re:So... (1)

hduff (570443) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173830)

using the gtQT toolkit.

Can some one tell.. (1)

blackgod (1616805) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172600)

Can some one tell me what could be idea behind buying Mandriva for these two companies? I am totally illiterate on these stuff :-)

Translated Article (4, Informative)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172656)

With Google Translate we can see that the MLO site [mandrivalinux-online.org] is reporting that Mandriva, [google.com]
the French/Brazilian Linux distribution publisher, soon may not be able to meet payroll. Two potential buyers (LightApp [lightapp.com] from the UK, Linagora [linagora.com] from France) have apparently stepped forward to look at buying the entire company or parts of it.

To me it would be a pity if Mandriva ceased to exist as we know it. The distribution is one of the best out there for polish and
attention to detail, and would be a good corporate buy based on that alone. I've always felt that it would be a great "house"
Linux version for a big player like Dell, HP, etc. but clearly there are factors stopping such computer companies or other Linux
distributors from buying it.

Oh well, if they cannot make it then that's the way it goes...

Re:Translated Article (3, Informative)

ianare (1132971) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172754)

Looks like Linagora has confirmed ongoing negotiations ...

http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/news/news-0-88+mandriva-a-vendre-linagora-confirme.php [mandrivalinux-online.org]

Re:Translated Article (1)

AfterThot (598015) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173176)

Looks like Linagora has confirmed ongoing negotiations ...

Can we now expect to see "Mandrigora"?

Re:Translated Article (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172834)

Didn't PC Linux OS fork off Mandriva? And aren't the two still very similar?

Mandriva still has some loyal users, but they haven't done much in a business deal, nor software innovation lately. Instead of breaking apart in failure, why not fold back with PC Linux OS, or another major shop like openSUSE/Fedora?

Value? (1, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172672)

I've got to say, I don't see a ton of value in Mandriva as a business acquisition. They have some sales deals mostly in France and Brazil, but not enough to really make much in the way of revenue. Their distro is solid, but not really ahead of Ubuntu in any meaningful way. Their only real value as I see it, is the developer expertise. The business people seem to be pretty clueless and disorganized. I'm not sure it makes a lot of business sense to buy Mandriva for their distribution if you're looking to get into (or are already in) the desktop Linux business. Developers in the community tend to target the leaders, so they will always be at a disadvantage to bigger distros. What does buying Mandriva and using it on appliances or netbooks get you versus hiring people and going with Ubuntu or even ChromeOS? Both Canonical and Google seem willing and eager to partner. This just leaves the question in my mind of what another fragment of the Linux distro pie brings as a business asset. Maybe Canonical or Google or Redhat could buy them for the developers and mothball Mandriva while merging it with their own distro. That would make sense as a way to branch into the markets in those countries and get functional developer teams.

It's dead Jim. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32172698)

:) :) :)

European RedHat: marketing guru needed. (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172848)

From what I can see here [wikipedia.org] and a scant few other places, they are trying to be the European RedHat: Linux distro and support and other other services.

If someone in the EU had great sales people, I think they could turn this around (Mandriva has a history of financial troubles).

I mean, how many of you think of Mandriva as a company to offer FOSS enterprise support and service? Neither did I. Huge marketing FAIL.

wow, (1)

Youngbull (1569599) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172912)

I always wanted to own a distro!

Re:wow, (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172976)

You already do.

You're just not taking advantage of it by appending something to the kernel and offering it to someone else.

Re:wow, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32173132)

Five bucks and it's yours, mate.

Now that's a new one. (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32172964)

I've got custom software, proprietary software, free software, pirated software, and open software, but I never knew I had bankrupt software...

And In Other News... (2, Funny)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173042)

Womanyellingslowdownasshole is expected to join Mandriva on the auction block later this month. The two systems will run on the same machine, but never happily.

I'll ...... (1)

irreverant (1544263) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173062)

buy that for one dollar!

Glad to see 'em go. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32173118)

One less "fragment" in the linux desktop market. Ubuntu is at 66% now, I wonder how much share we'll have to get before people stop using the old fragmentation excuse not to port apps to it.

Brilliant analysis! (1)

toadlife (301863) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173504)

Surely Ubuntu capturing the remaining 33% of the collective 1.5% desktop market share that Linux holds will be the straw the breaks the camels back!

bad news for KDE (1)

12357bd (686909) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173148)

AFAIK Mandriva provides the best KDE oriented linux desktop. That's a problem for the linux desktop. Ubuntu is great, but monocuture is not acceptable, we need a good KDE linux desktop too.

Re:bad news for KDE (1)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173372)

Considered openSUSE? When I was using it (around 11.0), their 4.x KDE was always significantly less buggy than 4.x mainline, and the distro is quite user-friendly. Otherwise Chakra's KDEmod for Arch Linux is excellent (http://chakra-project.org/about-kdemod.html [chakra-project.org] )

Re:bad news for KDE (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 4 years ago | (#32174468)

AFAIK Mandriva provides the best KDE oriented linux desktop. That's a problem for the linux desktop. Ubuntu is great, but monocuture is not acceptable, we need a good KDE linux desktop too.

What about PCLinuxOS? It has roots in Mandrake, but has evolved its own character under TexStar's direction. It is primarily a KDE desktop distro (and was exclusively KDE until last year), and the KDE variant is still its flagship.
Although we're mostly Ubuntu/Gnome at home, I did have PCLinuxOS 2007 for a while on one of our PCs, and will probably install the 2010 edition into a VM for a test drive fairly soon.

Another nail in Linux's coffin (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32173240)

This is it! This is the beginning of the closed source revolution. Today it's one distro, tomorrow the rest of Linux will collapse.

Mandriva is Prime Real-Estate (4, Interesting)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173530)

Mandriva is Linux that works. Mandriva is some of the most prime real estate in th Linux world, from arcade cabinets like mine, to domain controllers, Mandriva is the easiest Linux to configure anywhere.

Mandriva is the only Linux distribution where you can setup a Samba Domain with no interaction with the Console.
Setting up a Kerberos realm backended by a LDAP server with Samba on top is easiest under Mandriva. They have a guy dedicated to just that. They have Wizards to create PXE Servers, DNS Servers, Mail Servers, and everything else. Mandriva has some wonderful assets. They just have not been marketed well, in the right hands, Mandriva could really spark a revolution in the Linux world.

Eeh hoh, eeh hoh, eehhoheehhoheehhoh (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#32173552)

Eet ees net feur sell. Eeet eez a vendre, fils d'un personne fou!

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