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LimeWire Likely To Shut Down Soon

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the and-then-there-was-one-fewer dept.

The Courts 264

suraj.sun quotes from a CNET story: "A federal court judge has likely dealt a death blow to LimeWire, one of the most popular and oldest file-sharing systems, according to legal experts. On Wednesday ... US District Judge Kimba Wood granted summary judgment in favor of the ... [RIAA], which filed a copyright lawsuit against LimeWire in 2006. In her decision, Wood ruled Lime Group, parent of LimeWire software maker Lime Wire, and founder Mark Gorton committed copyright infringement, induced copyright infringement, and engaged in unfair competition. 'It is obviously a fairly fatal decision for them,' said [an industry defense lawyer]. 'If they don't shut down, the other side will likely make a request for an injunction and there's nothing left but to go on to calculating damages.'" The article notes that LimeWire is used by nearly 60% of the people who download songs.

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264 comments

And nothing of value was lost (4, Insightful)

Prien715 (251944) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230690)

And nothing of value was lost. Seriously, who uses an inefficient cruddy program like Limewire when you've got bit torrent?

Re:And nothing of value was lost (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230726)

And nothing of value was lost. Seriously, who uses an inefficient cruddy program like Limewire when you've got bit torrent?

But if they shutdown Limewire, where will my sister get all her Windows viruses from?

Re:And nothing of value was lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230776)

where will my sister get all her Windows viruses from?

I see what you did there!

Re:And nothing of value was lost (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230882)

And nothing of value was lost. Seriously, who uses an inefficient cruddy program like Limewire when you've got bit torrent?

But if they shutdown Limewire, where will my sister get all her Windows viruses from?

More importantly, how will she get rid of her yeast infection? Wayyyy too much cheese on THAT taco. Ever wonder why fat women like to use gallons of strong perfume, the shit that is one drop per hundred cubic feet? Its because they wanna cover up their body odor. Same deal with your sister.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231188)

The "Geek Squad" (TM Best Buy) will go out of business! They get 60 - 70 % of their business cleaning spyware and viruses from Limewire users!

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1, Troll)

angelwolf71885 (1181671) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231270)

i thought the geek squad was in the business of INSTALLING virus's onto machines in order to peddle there anti virus and crapware remover that removes nothing

Re:And nothing of value was lost (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231392)

i thought the geek squad was in the business of INSTALLING virus's onto machines in order to peddle there anti virus and crapware remover that removes nothing

Please, don't flatter yourself: Based on your posting history, you don't think and are incapable of doing so, at least, in any commonly accepted sense of the term.

At best, you've managed to emulate it, poorly, and post here to convince yourself that you're more than you are, and aren't stupid.

However, you ARE stupid.

So, please, stop posting here. You're embarrassing yourself, and irritating the rest of us.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231224)

Don't worry. I'm sure you can find all your income elsewhere.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231360)

Oh don't worry, enough of the shoddy torrent tracking and search sites have a smitfraud based scare-ware lurking in a banner ad, and of course she still uses IE for browsing :)

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230730)

Exactly what I was going to post. Not to mention a huge percentage of the stuff on there was fake already a few years ago. I can't imagine it's gotten any better.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230866)

For MP3s, it's actually perfectly fine. I've never gotten anything troublesome from LimeWire. Search results are always crowded with garbage, but the spam is so crude that you'd have to be a moron to download it:

Pretend Example Search: kate bush wuthering heights

1. "kate bush wuthering heights.mp3"

Do not download files whose names are identical to your search

2. "Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights.wmv"

Do not download WMVs

3. "Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights.mp3 ~ 3kB"

Sort by size and find something near 1MB-per-minute

4. "Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights.mp3 (rare live recording)"

Strangely, every song ever recorded has a "rare live recording" that you probably shouldn't download.
5. "underage porn sex girl with horse and dog"

Even if you WERE looking for filthy, illegal porn you'd have to be an idiot to download that. But man, there are a lot of files with names like that.

So you search, sort by size, download something with a sane name of the right size, and probably never play it in WMP, just to be safe.

But really? The "index of" Google search has largely replaced LimeWire for me anyway. It's fast, it's easy, you don't spew your hot, sticky IP all over the Gnutella network, you can use it from any smartphone with a web browser...it's gotten extremely polluted with fake spam index-of sites, but there are also sites that helper filter the spam sites.

BitTorrent just seems like a waste of energy for music...but I don't really know why. I suppose it works as well for small files as large... it just feels like more work to search for something so small in the browser, open it in a new app, clutter uTorrent with a thousand tiny downloads...

LimeWire still has a place in my heart.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (4, Insightful)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230918)

BitTorrent just seems like a waste of energy for music...but I don't really know why. I suppose it works as well for small files as large... it just feels like more work to search for something so small in the browser, open it in a new app, clutter uTorrent with a thousand tiny downloads...

BitTorrent's role in music sharing is mainly for albums and artist collections. You know, like say if you wanted the complete works of the Beatles. When your typical MP3 player has room for tens of thousands of tracks, you're a lot more likely to look for those large collections to save time, if for no other reason. Got the space, may as well fill it up.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (4, Insightful)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231146)

Sometimes its just nice to save a step between the LP you still have and your MP3 player. Now I know the studios want you to "buy it again", but I prefer either recording it myself via a USB turntable, or if I've no time for that, the disc is available via torrent.

I don't feel it's infringing on copyright, since I own the album. (And that is also true for out-of-print CDs and LPs as well.) I mean, I could track them down used, but that doesn't "give money to the artist".... So their argument is moot. That said, I'm not a "collector" of music in that I get discogs of every band and scour the web for bootlegs. I like the album enough to buy it, and I like the album enough to want it on my iPod... shouldn't be too difficult. (I know we're treading on "legal gray areas", but sometimes we just have to use a little common sense...Something the RIAA hasn't had, well, ever.)

UMG v. MP3.com (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231196)

I don't feel [downloading a copy of an album that I own is] infringing on copyright, since I own the album.

A U.S. court disagreed with you. UMG Recordings, Inc. v. MP3.com, Inc., 92 F. Supp. 2d 349 (S.D.N.Y. 2000) [wikipedia.org] .

Re:UMG v. MP3.com (5, Interesting)

paeanblack (191171) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231402)

There is a crucial difference between how lawyers and engineers view the issue:

To an engineer, the content of a digital file is the primary attribute. Two files with identical contents are indistinguishable and interchangeable.

To a lawyer, the pedigree of a digital file just as important as the content. Two identical files with different histories are different entities.

What this means is that if you and your friend each own a copy of the same album, you may feel it is reasonable to copy data from his disk when convenient, since you legally own a copy with the exact same contents. In the eyes of the law, however, those song files are NOT the same, because they have different histories. The rights you have to your copy do not extend to all other instances of that file, even if they are indistinguishable or not.

It's easy to say that the lawyer view is ridiculous, but (a) that is the view that defines the law, and (b) it seems far less ridiculous after one studies the history of copyright law beginning in the 1500s.

There is a good article on this subject:
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231002)

I always want the complete album from an artist, and I usually also want it in FLAC format if available. That makes each download about 200-500MB. There are very good music oriented bittorrent trackers out there, taking over after the previous gem "oink", where you know that everything you download will be well seeded, will not contain any virus or misplaced songs etc. what.cd being one good example. You say it's more work to search for something so small, I say it's more work to sift through the spam and random-quality files on those other networks. :)

The reasons they can maintain that kind of quality are also the drawbacks with it: they are invite-only, and you need to keep seeding or else you're kicked out. This might make it more difficult for the average joe that only want a couple of songs now and then and don't really mind if it's a 128kbps mp3 or a wma or whatever.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231222)

what.cd

The same rule about Usenet goes for What.cd, damnit!

Re:And nothing of value was lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231248)

Same anonymous poster here.

Yeah, I'm definitely the "one or two songs" type, which explains why I've stuck to LimeWire and Google.

In my life, I think I've only deliberately listened to two albums from beginning to end (Paul Simon's Graceland, and Comfort Eagle). I am considered to have terrible taste in music, and a predilection for hooks and strong themes.

I also skimp on my internet (3mb/s down), so downloading an album is a lot of pain to me for almost no gain.

File Sharing Bonus: Captcha = "seeded"

Re:And nothing of value was lost (-1, Troll)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231546)

Of course, if you are willing to, I'd be most appreciative of an invite for something along the lines of what.cd :D

robert@chromablue.net ...

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231212)

If you lucky enough to know the, uh, correct website, torrent is one of the BEST (if not the best) ways to get music. You can choose from a variety of formats, and bitrates. These same sites normally will also have rules in place that music can not be a transcode (conversion between bitrates which causes lose in sound quality ... like taking a picture that has been shrunk, then enlarging it. This being done sometimes more than once) - which you are likely to get from such programs as LimeWire, or some random website. If you want just one song, you do not have to download the whole album for a single song. You can choose to download just one when you select the torrent with the album. What is also better is that you are almost always will have people sharing, and they are eager to share because of rules that require the maintaining of a ratio (uploaded divided by downloaded). This results in a large library, with a large number of people willing to use their bandwidth to upload to you.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230738)

It was as if a million viruses embedded in Britney Spear's singles cried out in terror, then were suddenly silenced.

I fear something awesome has happened.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (2, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230962)

is "singles" slang for ass, mouth, or vag? I'm not quite sure from the context...

Re:And nothing of value was lost (3, Insightful)

black88 (559855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230750)

You said it, brother.

Also, RIP Ronnie James Dio, the world has lost a giant!

Re:And nothing of value was lost (4, Informative)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230758)

And nothing of value was lost. Seriously, who uses an inefficient cruddy program like Limewire when you've got bit torrent?

You don't use a torrent to grab a three or four meg file: swarming protocols work best for sharing large files.

The Gnutella network was, and is, very efficient at sharing small files (you know, the kind that keep media executives up at night.) That said, there are plenty of other ways to share such information, and all the RIAA has done is to (once again) continue the game of whack-a-mole. There are many other Gnutella clients available (personally, I like Phex: multi-platform, open-source, and does what I need. Pick it up on SourceForge) and people will quickly find them. Let the lawyers celebrate their "victory", for whatever it's worth.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (3, Interesting)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230826)

You don't use a torrent to grab a three or four meg file: swarming protocols work best for sharing large files.

Most people these days who used to use limewire now use torrents to download albums and band collections, then use iTunes to pick up the odd track here and there that was too much trouble to get from a torrent.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (5, Interesting)

black88 (559855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230970)

What I tend to do is, if there is a song on an album that I need, I will just download the torrent, open it in utorrent, and only choose to download that particular song.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (2, Informative)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230972)

I know maybe 2 or 3 people who actually use iTunes to buy not organize music. Is it more popular in the under 30's or something, because everyone I know either buys CDs/LPs or pirates everything.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231064)

It's a lot more popular with the under 25's. Particularly the ones whose parents bought them whatever they wanted from iTunes while they were teens.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231228)

I have 150 dollars in iTunes cards and I still have not found anything I want to buy.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (4, Interesting)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231148)

Well, here in Sweden it seems almost no one uses iTunes to buy anything. The main reasons for this seem to be:

  1. Spotify - Lots of people who are "casual" music listeners just use Spotify, it's like listening to the radio except you get the songs you want.
  2. File sharing started early here in Sweden - Which means that for-pay services lagged behind regular file sharing even further than in a lot of other places.
  3. No TV shows on iTunes - I've heard a lot of people here say they'd be more inclined to use iTunes to buy stuff if they could also pay for TV shows, not possible here in Sweden though.
  4. Downloading music, TV shows and Movies used to be legal/semi-legal up until quite recently - It was basically made illegal because the content industry told our politicians that we'd be transformed into a Internet equivalent of a third world country otherwise.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230832)

Let the lawyers celebrate their "victory", for whatever it's worth.
Reply to This

But is is a victory...they got their fat paychecks over the years. Part of them possibly bonuses.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (2, Funny)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231180)

Yeah, like the music industry can afford expensive lawyers after losing trillions of dollars per day to teh pirates. Those lawyers will have been on less than minimum wage.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231472)

There are two ways to go with this. One is to rename Limewire Glimewire or some other similar name and locate it in a nation that does not honor use laws. The other is to find an individual who is safe from legal actions due to owning nothing etc. and put the entire operation in his name. That will put the existence of the tool in operation beyond any real reach of law.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (4, Interesting)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230788)

A lot of non-tech people who don't understand he difference between Bit Torrent let alone what Bit Torrent even is. Although, usually when I see Windows machines infected or doing strange things at the local coffee shop, the person has lime wire installed.

My understanding was there were more virus and other malware infected stuff on limewire than just about any other source. Granted that was a few years ago.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (3, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230852)

Seriously, who uses an inefficient cruddy program like Limewire when you've got bit torrent?

Or itunes, or Amazon's MP3 store. Oops, wait, I forgot I shouldn't admit I actually feel a moral obligation to actually pay for the music I buy on slashdot.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

adona1 (1078711) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231204)

Exactly! Oh, except Amazon won't let me pay for their mp3s because I don't live in America. Plus I run Windows so putting iTunes on it is one of the less clever things I could do.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230890)

Good luck finding a decent torrent for small files. Yeah, BitTorrent is great for downloading a 700 MB Ubuntu ISO, yeah, its great for getting every song a band sang, ever. But, for downloading a single song or other small files? BitTorrent is pretty terrible.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (2, Informative)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231182)

Most decent clients will let you download only specific files from a torrent.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231184)

Good luck finding a decent torrent for small files. Yeah, BitTorrent is great for downloading a 700 MB Ubuntu ISO, yeah, its great for getting every song a band sang, ever. But, for downloading a single song or other small files? BitTorrent is pretty terrible.

what do you mean, if a torrent contains a zip file of an entire album, you can download just one song from it.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (2, Informative)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231208)

Bittorrent is excellent for downloading individual files.

Most torrent clients allow you to download individual files from a collection via some sort of Properties dialog.

You get the .torrent for the entire album or collection. Then when you load it in your client you go to the Properties/Files dialog and uncheck every song or file except those that you wish to download.

It is good for things like John Mayer albums, where most of the songs on the new album are repeats of songs from the previous album.

A lazy bastard, he is.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230902)

Now, now, don't underestimate RIAA too much - if people were to switch to BT, where full albums are the norm, just imagine how much damages then the "industry" can claim!

Re:And nothing of value was lost (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230950)

The question you should be asking yourself is: after whom they'd go next?

Re:And nothing of value was lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231010)

That's actually a bad thing. Now they will go after Bit Torrent more, both the idiots using Limewire and the idiots attacking the idiots using any of them.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (2, Interesting)

MokuMokuRyoushi (1701196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231162)

While it may not have any inherent value, here's a purpose it served for me - disposable decoy. With LimeWire in a legal headlock, the other, much more useful programs, protocols and services are going to come under attack now.

Re:And nothing of value was lost (2, Interesting)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231548)

And nothing of value was lost. Seriously, who uses an inefficient cruddy program like Limewire when you've got bit torrent?

I always wondered why everyone uses a centralised system like bittorrent to illegally download other peoples hard work when the gnutella network existed. It might be less efficient and slightly slower to find what you want, but at least they will never be able to shut it down completely. I know this may result in the death of Limewire, but that was not exactly the only Gnutella client in existence.

The fact is the gnutella's inefficencies are also in many ways its benefits.

Alternative Limewire network coming online... (4, Insightful)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230692)

...in 3, 2, 1

Re:Alternative Limewire network coming online... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230710)

Its the gnutella network.

There are already a half-a-dozen alternative clients.

Its like the legal profession is completely naive of how software on the Internet works.

Re:Alternative Limewire network coming online... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230894)

Its like the legal profession is completely naive of how software on the Internet works.

Or they know exactly how it works and the lawyers like making gobs of cash playing whack-a-mole?

Re:Alternative Limewire network coming online... (1)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230976)

As long as they get paid why should they care?
The fact that other networks will take over in the blink of an eye just means another paycheck years down the line.

Gnutella Web Cache? (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231326)

Its the gnutella network.

There are already a half-a-dozen alternative clients.

But do alternative clients provide their own set of Gnutella Web Cache servers [wikipedia.org] ? Without one, a client doesn't know of any active nodes accepting connections into the network.

Re:Alternative Limewire network coming online... (0)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231406)

Its like the legal profession is completely naive of how software on the Internet works.

The judge based her decision on how LimeWire conducted its business.

How the LimeWire client was designed to facilitate that business was part of what she looked at - but by no means the whole.

The geek sees everything in isolation. He never connects the dots.

Until it is too late.

Re:Alternative Limewire network coming online... (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231490)

You can't sue the Gnutella network, but you can sue the people who made LimeWire, which is by far the most popular Gnutella client.

The lawyers may not understand the distinction between Gnutella and LimeWire, but I guarantee you someone on their side hired someone else to explain it.

You can't shut down Gnutella effectively, and I'm sure they know this. They can, however, shut down the most popular client and make people think twice about writing a Gnutella client or using the Gnutella network.

Re:Alternative Limewire network coming online... (2, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230820)

...in 3, 2, 1

Limewire was nothing special: just a Gnutella client with extensions. The Gnutella "network" is alive and well, has been for years, and there are many clients out there for it. Limewire just suckered a lot of people into paying for software that was readily available for free. I don't care that Limewire is getting nailed, I just don't like the media companies winning cases like this. It's bad for everybody, including them, if they just had the wit to see it.

60 percent? Really? (2, Insightful)

dexterr (1401221) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230716)

As the title says; 60 percent!? Really? Except for my girlfriend (wich by the way stopped using it when she met me because I recommended better protocols) I don't know anyone who's using it or have been using it.

Re:60 percent? Really? (1)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230728)

I think it's that 60% still have it installed or something.
I know one or 2 who use it but it's an unmitigated crapfest which I wouldn't touch with a barge poll.

Re:60 percent? Really? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230784)

this may have been true when the law suit started

Re:60 percent? Really? (2, Funny)

fewnorms (630720) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230794)

Lies! Just admit it, it was your little brother slurping up all the bandwidth. Right?
Slashdot posters with a girlfriend, there ain't no such thing!

Re:60 percent? Really? (1)

dexterr (1401221) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230816)

Damn! You got me this time.

Re:60 percent? Really? (1)

iammani (1392285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230844)

Actually must have been his elder sister, Dee Dee. Right Dexterr?

Re:60 percent? Really? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230842)

...Except for my girlfriend (wich by the way stopped using it when she met me...

Who.

She may be a witch - I don't know - but your girlfriend is definitely a "who."

Re:60 percent? Really? (1)

dexterr (1401221) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230954)

I give you that one. "which" sounded good my head (Hey! Let's not be too pro-feminism and stuff!). A typo gives you bonus points.

Re:60 percent? Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231244)

Unless she's a blow up / real doll. Let's face it, this is slashdot afterall.

Re:60 percent? Really? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231552)

...Except for my girlfriend (wich by the way stopped using it when she met me...

Who.

She may be a witch - I don't know - but your girlfriend is definitely a "who."

Baaa! Baaa!

Re:60 percent? Really? (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231342)

I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure you know something like 0.000000000000001% of the internet using public! Oh, and your girlfriend is experimenting with other protocols when you're not around.

I switched to legal downloads (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230768)

I stopped using Limewire years ago after downloading a few nasty viruses and hundreds of low quality and incomplete music. Free music was no longer worth my trouble. I switched to iTunes and legal music purchases and have never looked back.

Re:I switched to legal downloads (4, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230938)

Yeah, Limewire is generally crap because so many songs are incorrectly attributed, wrong titles, etc.

The problem with iTunes and the like is it is impossible to get many artists, other times you can find early or later works by a band but can't find the ones you want, or in extreme cases iTunes wants you to pay $10+ for the album when you really want one song.

Music distributors finally got their heads out of their rears recently and eliminated DRM for the most part, but there is still a lot of things they are doing wrong.

FrostWire (4, Informative)

Meneth (872868) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230770)

It's not like the Gnutella network will shut down. Even if LimeWire stops distributing its client, there are plenty of others. For example, FrostWire [frostwire.com] .

Re:FrostWire (2)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230880)

Heck, for all practical purposes, FrostWire is Limewire...just a fork done a bit more right.

Shut down soon? (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230804)

I thought it fizzled out years ago. I had no idea it still exists.

It's Taken The This Long? (2, Insightful)

segedunum (883035) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230818)

Limewire has been around for years and they've only now just got around to trying to close the thing down?

Re:It's Taken The This Long? (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230864)

I think this case was merely a token battle on the part of the RIAA. They have to know by now that they're never going to get rid of P2P sharing by going after the software developers, but at the same time they have to make it look like they're still trying.

Limewire down? Oh, my! (5, Funny)

Alien1024 (1742918) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230834)

Next thing they will be turning down is WinMX. With audiogalaxy gone, things look all gloom and doom for P2P music downloads.

Re:Limewire down? Oh, my! (1)

DJ Particle (1442247) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231538)

That's right...they tried to kill WinMX, then someone else grabbed it, put new WinMX servers up, and it's still alive. ;)

Corporate Veil (4, Insightful)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230836)

Yeah but will they be able to pierce the corporate veil [wikipedia.org] and hold the CEO personally accountable? Otherwise his company becomes worthless and he keeps all the money that he's been paid in salary.

They can and they have (5, Informative)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231494)

From Reuters:

First, the judge found Gorton, who is also LimeWire's sole director, personally liable for infringement, observing in her ruling that "an individual, including a corporate officer, who has the ability to supervise infringing activity and has a financial interest in that activity, or who personally participates in that activity is personally liable for infringement."

That will likely strike fear in the hearts of would-be P2P moguls who may have been clinging to the belief that they could hide behind corporate shells, insulating their own assets if the law ever caught up with them.

Ruling could have chilling effect on P2P services [reuters.com]

stop the press (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32230846)

there will come the day, where the technology will allow
so much bandwidth, that all song in existence will be
broad casted at the same time, either thru light, or electrons (maybe even neutrinos).
you just have to hit the right channel to get it for free.

Willing to bet that 60% figure is bunk (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230868)

Considering FrostWire exists, I'll bet the actual limewire usage is nowhere near what is projected there. Frostwire = Limewire Pro for free. This is what happens when you open-source your stuff! :)

Re:Willing to bet that 60% figure is bunk (1)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230912)

Actually that sounds about right. Seriously search gnutella, most of the peers are limewire.

Why stop there? (1, Troll)

cifey (583942) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230870)

committed copyright infringement, induced copyright infringement, and engaged in unfair competition

Also the isps and operating system vendors will be sued out of business. Additionally Tim Lee, Von Newman and Alan Turing are being held on 10bln dollars bail.

Re:Why stop there? (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230908)

Pfft. I hear von Neumann's got a machine that'll make a lawsuit the least of their worries.

Time for Mule (0)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230898)

Limewire had a good run, I'll openly admit I've used it a ton but it's actually not that good a p2p client. When I can I like to use mule and it 100% of the time returns better results. I think it might be time for the mule to rise!!

60%? (3, Interesting)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32230980)

That number seems either misleading or bullshit. Earlier reports were saying that the vast majority of peer-to-peer filesharing goes through BitTorrent, and now a different network is supposed to have more than half of the traffic?

Perhaps they mean 60% of the non-torrent traffic?

Re:60%? (0, Redundant)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231048)

No they simply pull these numbers out of their asses to justify their crusade.

Re:60%? (1)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231246)

Perhaps they meant 60% of total p2p client instances.

Most of my relatives have no idea what bittorrent is, and they are totally ordinary Fox News and American Idol types. Most of them use LimeWire.

Fortunately they live in states other than this one, which cuts down on the amount of ZOMG I HAVE A VIRUS!!!1 tech support calls.

Re:60%? (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231514)

One figure is what fraction of users use this particular client (LimeWire). The other figure is what fraction of bandwidth a particular protocol takes up, They're completely different measures.

Cool (0)

deathtopaulw (1032050) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231050)

Had no idea that %60 of the internet was completely retarded. The rest of us with actual musical taste and a library to share will sit unnoticed on soulseek for the rest of eternity. I guess bittorrent is too complicated for someone who just wants a single dosage of Black Eyed Peas puke.

Um (0, Redundant)

chucklebutte (921447) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231058)

It still is around? Wow.

Excellent (4, Insightful)

RichardJenkins (1362463) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231080)

The sooner we get these people off Limewire and onto Bittorrent, the sooner I can stop having to clean trojans off my friends PCs every few weeks.

Torrent is not for singles (0, Flamebait)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231354)

get these people off Limewire and onto Bittorrent

This comment [slashdot.org] says pretty much the same thing, but its replies point out that Gnutella protocol is better than torrents for files under 10 MB, such as single songs.

Good (4, Interesting)

devent (1627873) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231098)

That's a good thing. I wish they could stop all illegal downloads of music, videos and software. When people finally can't download any free content from the mafia (i.e. content industry) the people will finally see how expensive and restricted the legal alternative is and turn to free and independent sources.

Imagen, if you can't download Windows, Photoshop or MS Office anymore. Maybe than people will see and embrace the free alternatives which are more than sufficient for at least 99% of the users. The same with music, that people can discover that there are plenty of independent music bands with music good as on MTV. And there is plenty of DRM free games, a few free to download, like the http://mashable.com/2009/10/20/world-of-goo-huge-success/ [mashable.com]

Re:Good (5, Insightful)

Shados (741919) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231134)

This. seriously.

Its true with most things: When people dodge the law, wether directly or by loopholes, there's no incensive to get the law changed, and things stay in an annoying gray area, and thats not good for anyone. Deal with the law, see how much it sucks, THEN there's a chance things will change.

Re:Good (1)

Wolfling1 (1808594) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231284)

Its a rapidly evolving guerilla war occuring in virtual space. And we know how well the authorities fare in those situations. They are going to have a hard time stamping it out.

IMHO, their best bet is to suspend our constitutional rights in the same way that they have done with speeding and traffic infringements. Permit the authorities to write you a ticket - for which you are presumed guilty, and must prove your innocence. Send them out electronically. Millions in revenue for the government, and a powerful disincentive for the perps.

All they need to do is slide it through the senate very delicately - the same way they did for the traffic laws.

Shareaza (3, Informative)

enter to exit (1049190) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231174)

For those of you who have a reason to avoid torrents. Shareaza is an excellent (clean and superior) alternative. ( http://shareaza.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] ). It supports eDonkey2000, Gnutella, Gnutella2 and handles bitTorrent acceptably. It is free software (GPL).

windows only (kinda works on wine)

Craptastic music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231234)

Perhaps if artists were creating music worth paying for the need to download the hollow drivel they now call music would decline.

Typical windows user just had security upgraded... (1)

Turzyx (1462339) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231254)

... I mean, is there ever anything genuine shared on there? lady_gaga-poker_face.exe THAT LOOKS GENUINE *click*click*

Google (3, Interesting)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231292)

And what is Google doing during each of these cases. As the RIAA wages battle against these smaller search engines (because, really, that's what they are) and wins, they are building an ever-increasingly large portfolio of prior case law. Eventually the RIAA are going to decide that enough cases have gone their way that they can wage the real battle - to go after Google (and Bing and Yahoo). I am shocked that Google's legal department is just sitting and watching these cases unfold without offering assistance. Then again, I'm not a lawyer nor a multi-billion dollar corporation so what do I know?...

Great.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231400)

Now I have to teach my dad a whole new software to download his music

Why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32231458)

Sites like grooveshark.com are all over why does anyone need to download their music they can listen to it for free on grooveshark

gnutella has full blown aids (1)

steak (145650) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231500)

The article notes that LimeWire is used by nearly 60 percent of the people who download songs

it should also be noted that about 95% of infected computers have limewire or some other gnutella client installed. i don't know why but gnutella is just riddled with digital herpes.

Most popular? It's just one client. (2, Insightful)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32231524)

What the fuck is he talking about? LimeWire is just one client... just one client... for the Gnutella network.
There are many many others! Hell, take a ready-made gnutella library and build your own one in no time!

Gnutella is not going anywhere, as it, being completely decentral, can’t be killed.
My bet is on TFA being MAFIAA FUD.

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