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iPhone 4 Beta Shows AT&T Tethering

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the dear-god-yes dept.

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An anonymous reader found news that will strike fear into the hearts of every 3G user in NYC. "Apple released iPhone OS 4.0 Beta 4 on Tuesday evening and it wasn't long before developers found the strongest evidence yet that tethering for US-based iPhone customers may happen sooner than later."

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For a price of course (4, Insightful)

imamac (1083405) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263704)

Because, unlimited data isn't really unlimited.

Re:For a price of course (1)

NickLarsen (1771130) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263728)

Baby steps.

Re:For a price of course (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263926)

And Android, all you have to do is download PDAnet, and it doesn't come with a monthly charge. So why take baby steps with Apple/AT&T when you can walk like a man?

Re:For a price of course (5, Insightful)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263982)

Which is why this:

tethering for US-based iPhone customers may happen sooner than later."

makes no sense.

It's already "later".

"sooner" was the release day of the first IPhone. It's been later ever since.

Re:For a price of course (4, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264092)

AT&T are the jedi masters of "later," it seems. "Later we're going to offer better customer service," "Later we're going to offer tethering (at a high price)," "Later we won't drop your calls so much." I finally ended my landline DSL from them after I heard my third year of "Later we're going to offer 6mbps in your area."

Re:For a price of course (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264230)

You could already do this with a jailbroken phone; I did it just for kicks a few times. I didn't keep doing it, because who knows what would happen if they caught me torrenting things with that connection.

moderators - out of f'ing control (1)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264076)

In what universe is the "flaimebait"? Rational moderators, please correct this.

Re:moderators - out of f'ing control (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264296)

Rational moderators, please correct this.

Someone mod this guy down for using the "R" word. We can't let this kind of attitude catch on around here.

Re:moderators - out of f'ing control (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264326)

We really need to stop giving Steve Jobs so many mod points.

Re:moderators - out of f'ing control (0, Flamebait)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264380)

The Apple Fanbois Universe.

Re:For a price of course (1)

Darth Sdlavrot (1614139) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264080)

But before you even do that you have to buy an Android phone -- which isn't free, or even inexpensive.

I already own an iPod Touch and a MB Air.

What I want is an inexpensive basic phone that I can use to tether my existing devices.

Some days I just want to carry my phone, other days I want to carry my phone and my iPod, and some other days I'm willing to carry my laptop. (And there are days I don't want to carry any of them.)

Re:For a price of course (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264206)

Actually, some Android phones are "free" (mine was). Of course, there is the matter of a 2 year contract, but they pretty much all require that now so that's a wash. But my point was the Android at least doesn't require the tethering fee *on top of* all that.

Re:For a price of course (4, Informative)

bhamlin (986048) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264314)

... my point was the Android at least doesn't require the tethering fee ...

The Android OS doesn't. Your carrier usually does. AT&T only "allows" tethering on their system if you pay for it. If they catch you doing it they'll just add it to your account and backbill you for how long they think you've been doing it. Verizon is the same way (with their Blackberries, anyway).

Re:For a price of course (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264366)

But that's what is so beautiful about Android. No need to jailbreak your Android OS to tether, and the app is right there (no need to even bypass the marketplace, which Android also allows you to do).

Re:For a price of course (2, Interesting)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264720)

But again, depending on your carrier if they catch you they'll charge you out the wazoo. The only thing really stopping Apple from implementing tethering in the US (3.0 had the feature built in) was AT&T. Technically nearly all the carriers forbid tethering without paying for the service, but it's harder to enforce on other phones. Basically, you're not supposed to tether phones unless you pay for the service (or your carrier is on of the few that allows it by default). The single source nature of the iPhone allows stricter enforcement of this rule on it than on other phones

Re:For a price of course (1)

trailerparkcassanova (469342) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264654)

A new Motorola V3xx that does HSDPA 6 at 3.6Mbps can be had for $80.00.

Re:For a price of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264170)

why was this modded troll?

Re:For a price of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264226)

lol, butthurt macfags can't handle the truth, rate it as a troll. Reality distortion fields to maximum power!

Re:For a price of course (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264152)

Baby steps.

Babies shouldn't have unlimited data

Re:For a price of course (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263758)

Unless you live in New York, where 5GB is the most you can possibly ever pull down in a month due to network issues and speeds. That makes it unlimited! Who needs thottling or limits, when you can just overload your network and overcharge your customers!

Re:For a price of course (2, Interesting)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263862)

Unless you live in New York, where 5GB is the most you can possibly ever pull down in a month due to network issues and speeds. That makes it unlimited! Who needs thottling or limits, when you can just overload your network and overcharge your customers!

And this is why I don't understand why companies would spend so much on throttling; it's a naturally self-limiting system.

Re:For a price of course (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264210)

Because they get complaints from users that they can't watch Youtube videos in real time. So it's perfectly natural for companies to throttle downloading activities, while giving priority to Youtube, Skype, and othe realtime applications.

As for cost, I don't think wireless will ever be as fast or cheap as wired. There's only ONE radio spectrum and it has to be shared with everyone within the cell tower's zone. In contrast the wired internet has an infinite number of spectrums, limited only by the number of wires laid down.

Re:For a price of course (2, Insightful)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264594)

Unless you live in New York, where 5GB is the most you can possibly ever pull down in a month due to network issues and speeds. That makes it unlimited! Who needs thottling or limits, when you can just overload your network and overcharge your customers!

WTF uses over 5GB a month on their phone?

Seriously, has this EVER been an issue for anyone here? I'm asking because that's a shit-load of data coming across a phone.

Are you downloading ISOs or something? Via your phone? WTF for?

Look, I get the idea that its false advertising, unlimited damned sure should mean unlimited, but damn. 5GB? I don't know anyone who comes even remotely close to using that much per month on their iphone.

Re:For a price of course (1)

Cryonix (1234264) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264912)

Where I live, DSL is a new commodity. For a long while I was using my cell as an only means of internet connectivity. There are still many areas that have no DSL (or equal) available. I'm sure they are among a minority, however it is still an unfortunate situation.

Re:For a price of course (1)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264920)

I'd be amazed if people used that much data just on their phone, but remember that tethered phones are just routers for laptops. Sprint is actually advertising this as a feature for their new 4G Android phone. You pay an extra $10 a month for unlimited 4G data, and then another $30 on top of that for a service that lets you use the phone as a WAP. Bam, your phone is now the Internet hub for your home. Since you can connect up to 4 computers to that service I'd imagine you can expect people to download A LOT more than 5GB across such a setup.

Personally I think you'd be nuts to use that kind of setup (it essentially required your cell phone to in the house, and turned on for anyone to have Internet access), but Sprint seems to think someone wants it. I guess if the 4G service is reliable in your area, and you don't have anybody who might want to use the Internet when you're not personally at home it might be a way to save a few bucks. It might also be useful for some mobile setups like blood mobiles or portable stores that want to process credit cards.

Re:For a price of course (4, Insightful)

Scutter (18425) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263834)

Because, unlimited data isn't really unlimited.

If it's anything like AT&T's current offerings, you'll pay $49/month just for the ability to tether, but you'll have to pay $5/month per website, plus $5/month (per "channel") to stream internet radio, plus $5/month for video, plus $5/month for 200 e-mails. It's unlimited alright. The only limitation is how deep your pocket is.

Re:For a price of course (5, Interesting)

Wiarumas (919682) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264248)

My biggest complaint is the market's price fixing on text messages. There is no way in hell that unlimited texting warrants a $30 price tag when the iPhone comes with a $30 unlimited data plan. Yes, you can play FPS, stream music, videos, browse the web, etc, but those 8 digit text messages are somehow made separate and charged at the same price?

Re:For a price of course (1)

jonpublic (676412) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264490)

agreed. mod up.

Re:For a price of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264652)

the prices for text messages are pure profit margins. the short message system was initially created to use idle bandwidth, which it still does. it was planned to be a free service, because it would have made a nice, but useless add-on compared to the superior tech called "making a telephone call". but it was (literally) decided that one should pay for this, because (this was in fact the original reason), "you never know". posting anon, because that's true and i know it, but i don't want to be asked "how" ;)

Re:For a price of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264268)

Wow, you're getting raped over there in the US.

Over here (Finland) I pay 14.95 €/month for unlimited* cellular data, and with pretty much the whole country covered there is literally no place (except for underground areas) where you couldn't access the internet.

*Unlimited really means unlimited. One could run a web server on a phone and still only pay the 15 € per month.

Re:For a price of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264902)

if you buy apple crap then you're already getting raped - and you fucking well deserve it.

break out the iLube cocksuckers!!!!

Re:For a price of course (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264342)

If it's anything like AT&T's current offerings, you'll pay $49/month just for the ability to tether, but you'll have to pay $5/month per website, plus $5/month (per "channel") to stream internet radio, plus $5/month for video, plus $5/month for 200 e-mails. It's unlimited alright. The only limitation is how deep your pocket is.

So what you're saying is AT&T is offering unlimited fees? Add that with the unlimited dropped calls I endure and unlimited iPhone lockups I encounter and it's just a hat trick of unlimitedness ... [Ren Höek] Joy! [/Ren Höek]

Re:For a price of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264346)

Because, unlimited data isn't really unlimited.

If it's anything like AT&T's current offerings, you'll pay $49/month just for the ability to tether, but you'll have to pay $5/month per website, plus $5/month (per "channel") to stream internet radio, plus $5/month for video, plus $5/month for 200 e-mails. It's unlimited alright. The only limitation is how deep your pocket is.

Verizon does the same crap. Everything costs extra. Until recently, Verizon even made you pay a monthly fee to use GPS features already built into your phone. They are the kings of nickle-and-diming.

Re:For a price of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264678)

I thought that was Verizon's business model...that and replacing good looking UI with their crappy looking red bar one.

Re:For a price of course (1)

jisatsusha (755173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263930)

iPhone has has the ability to tether in the UK since 3GS came out. O2 sell plans with "unlimited" data, but if you want to tether, you have to pay another £15 per month (on top of the £35 per month contract) for 5Gb of tethered data transfers.

Re:For a price of course (1)

jittles (1613415) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264120)

Oh tell me about it. I love how I can't download something from the App store over 3G because its larger than 10MB. Because I pay $30 a month to have unlimited data in 10MB chunks? I don't think so. And don't get me started on how text messages some how magically aren't part of that unlimited data? Last I checked texts were just ones and zeroes... of course, so are the voice calls, aren't they?

Text message charging is much much worse than that (1)

Rhodri Mawr (862554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264792)

Text messages cost your provider NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING. The text message data is sent in the free space that's not used in the packet communication with the mobile tower.

Per GB of data, text messaging is the most expensive form of communication anywhere.

Re:For a price of course (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264156)

>>>unlimited data isn't really unlimited.

Unlimited TIME is what they advertise, not unlimited data. Read the contract. And I agree with their position. If you're downloading 1000 gigabytes each month while your grandma downloads just her emails, why should you pay the same amount each month? Electricity, water, gasoline, natural gas - all metered. It makes logical sense to do the same for data.

For example Comcast has a current cap of 250 GB. They could sell additional gigabytes at ~10 cents each for people who enjoy watching lots of videos or other high-data activities.

Re:For a price of course (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264364)

If you're downloading 1000 gigabytes each month while your grandma downloads just her emails, why should you pay the same amount each month?

So what you're saying is that AT&T should raise my grandma's rates? Please don't give them any ideas ;-)

Re:For a price of course (1)

aug24 (38229) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264186)

Be fair... unlimited at present is implicitly "unlimited on an iPhone without tethering" and so is effectively constrained, and they've done their maths based on that. It's perfectly reasonable to charge a different price for a tethering option that will probably result in much higher download totals.

I don't think they can afford to charge for this (1)

Microsift (223381) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264794)

A colleague has an iPad, which he carries with him almost everywhere. He tethers it to his non AT&T phone for free.Why would anyone buy an iPad and an iPhone if it requires either two data plans or one expensive one given the cheaper alternatives. ATT will keep me as an iPhone customer once I own an IPad by allowing me to tether the iPad to it,

First one !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263708)

Gotcha !!

What is the point? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263722)

What is the point to tether on such a crappy network? It is often difficult to place a simple call with AT&T in NYC...

Re:What is the point? (3, Interesting)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263824)

Yes, but there is the whole rest of the United States... AT&T's coverage does not suck everywhere.

Re:What is the point? (3, Informative)

imamac (1083405) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263832)

Indeed. AT&T coverage has actually been very good in the places I have lived in the US. In fact, in my current city, it has the best coverage of all the providers.

Re:What is the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264228)

I dont agree to this. AT&T coverage is bad if you move out from main cities. Moreover, the 3g speed sucks! The coverage changes from room to room!

Re:What is the point? (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264414)

That's not just AT&T. I have had both AT&T and Verizon -- even at the same time, when I had separate business and personal accounts -- and the coverage issue was equally sucky (just different at any given point in time). You learned when one phone was going to be better than another.

And the phones have a lot to do with it. The iPhone internal antenna must royally suck, because I can stand next to another AT&T customer who has a regular dumbphone: they might have four bars of signal strength while I only have one or two. Yeah, I've got antenna envy.

Re:What is the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264014)

I have heard of this place but have never met anyone from there. Can you tell us more about this place? Do you really sleep with cows?

Re:What is the point? (1, Flamebait)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264522)

What's the point of living in the "whole rest of the United States"? It sucks out there, have you been there? The only other places worth going to are LA and maybe SFO. Educated, urbane people can live their whole lives without coming in contact with the uncultured areas. There is some nice natural beauty in a few places too, but then you have to talk to the inhabitants.

Re:What is the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264628)

Nature > Urban/city areas. I would rather deal with the uncultured mass than deal with the likes of NYC anyday.

Re:What is the point? (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264704)

Wait, NYC, LA, and SFO are "cultured" now? Is that the new word for gang infested and crime ridden?

"but then you have to talk to the inhabitants." Pot, kettle, rest left as an exercise to the reader.

Re:What is the point? (1)

DebianDog (472284) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264788)

Yeah but when you live there is sucks. When I see those AT&T coverage commercials I SCREAM!!!! (well it is more for the wife since she has an iPhone)

Where I live I can't even make an AT&T phone call within 10 miles of my house, yet my internet is provided via Verizon Wireless Broadband.

I pray the iPhone come out on Verizon soon...

Re:What is the point? (0, Flamebait)

asukasoryu (1804858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263826)

Apple is gearing up for the move to Verizon.

Re:What is the point? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263886)

Apple is gearing up for the move to Verizon.

You sure about that? [sparxoo.com]

Re:What is the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264516)

What's the point of living in such a crappy place? Move out of NYC.

That's nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263730)

I'll be impressed when it isn't AT&T supplying the tethering.

Re:That's nice (1)

grub (11606) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264238)


I'll be impressed when it isn't AT&T supplying the tethering.

Come to Canada, it's Rogers! Impressed?

Re:That's nice (1)

Creepy (93888) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264304)

Almost every carrier supports tethering on their phones, and AT&T has had unsupported tethering using the iPhone already. Of course, most charge massive, ridiculous additional fees. Verizon's is $50/month, I've heard Sprint is $60 with a 5GB limit, T-mobile doesn't support tethering last I checked, but hackers have made it possible with unlocked phones... note that the fees are per-phone and usually on top of data fees. Rumor has it AT&T will be $55 including data plan after initial rumors that it would be $55 on top of data plan. We can only hope - and hope it drives down market prices, because AT&T has bad signal strength at both my work and home. I personally don't care much about tethering, but my wife could use it for her startup business, if the price were right. Currently the business isn't growing fast enough to afford almost $2000 a year in phone expenses, though (after current expenses they are barely breaking even as it is - that should improve as the business expands).

Re:That's nice (1)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264436)

>> T-mobile doesn't support tethering

Are you sure about that? I remember seeing a help page on their site on how to tether a BB - though it was 3 years back.

Only to be swiftly removed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263768)

There's always lots of weird features in the dev beta that never make it to the OS. Just because they can, doesn't mean they will. I use and love some apple products but the neverending rumor mongering and fanaticism is killing me. Can't we just put a hold on it till the keynote in June?

Android did it first! (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263806)

I happily tether on my completely stock android phone with pdanet over usb. :P

iPhone or AT&T? (3, Insightful)

ShadyG (197269) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263812)

I have no doubt the device can easily support it, and may even have the software installed by default in the OS. The question is will it or won't it be disabled and hidden for US consumers by contract with AT&T?

Re:iPhone or AT&T? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263962)

It depends... perhaps Apple agreed to send some sort of signaling when tethering is enabled, such that AT&T can charge you more.

Detailed Bill:
300 call minutes
20 text messages
0 unlimited internet
100MB tethering
--------
$300

Thanks for using AT&T!

Re:iPhone or AT&T? (5, Interesting)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264006)

It's *already* in the iPhone OS - my 3G tethers out of the box here in the UK - no jailbreaking or extra software. This is entirely an AT&T limitation in the US.

Re:iPhone or AT&T? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264056)

The feature's been in the OS for ages. The discovery is a special message prompting the user to call AT&T on a particular number to enable the tethering service, which suggests AT&T may provide a mechanism for enabling said tethering service.

Re:iPhone or AT&T? (1)

carlhaagen (1021273) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264138)

The iPhone/OS has *always* tethered. It has always been a case of each operator either allowing it or, as in the case of all US operators, just not allowing it at all. I've had tethering via my Swedish operator since day 1 (and I was gifted my iPhone at the day of its Swedish release in mid-2008), and as a related side note, all Swedish operators have always allowed tethering - because we are not suffering an infrastructure problem here, and the Swedish operators, unlike their American counterparts, realize that more traffic used by customer = more money. If I'm not mistaken, this stance is also taken by pretty much all European operators. The "tethering doesn't "work"" problem appears by all accounts to be isolated to the US.

Re:iPhone or AT&T? (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264286)

The capability is there from the get go, but there is a set of files, IIRC, that describe each carrier and what features to allow. With a jailbroken phone, you can change that and allow tethering. This is why,say, UK users can tether but US users cannot.

Re:iPhone or AT&T? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264642)

Softbank, in Japan, is giving iPhone users the no-tether shaft as well.

tomorrow, tomorrow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263816)

The sun'll come out
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
'Til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I love ya Tomorrow!
You're always
A day
A way!

Re:tomorrow, tomorrow (1)

imamac (1083405) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263846)

You mean tethering is always a day away...

Why? (4, Insightful)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263836)

If a company has a device that doesn't support tethering, why would you buy their products if you want to tether it? Why hype-up that they've "finally" included the damn thing, when it's been a standard feature on phones since GPRS and Bluetooth were available (my phone does it and that was released in 2003)?

If a network does not support tethering for your particular device, why would you join them if you one day hoped to tether?

There are other companies, other devices, other networks that *do* support tethering. Stop hoping for half-arsed solutions, trying to "jailbreak" your phone to do that, etc. Just buy one of the cheaper, easier, simpler devices that supports it out of the box without getting in your way or voiding your warranty. The companies that make those devices obviously know what you want and, crucially, will have been doing it properly, for longer.

And, besides, phone tethering is old-hat anyway. It costs literally a few pounds / dollars to connect a PC to a 3G always-on connection on a decent tariff in the country of your choice. Most laptops have options to have it built-in, or external devices can be bought for less than a meal-for-two. There are PAYG and contract data tariffs that work out more than cheap enough (providing you don't roam internationally on them, but that's the same for anything). They won't interfere with the use of your phone, won't be tied to your keeping a stupidly-expensive phone, are designed for the job and don't have the security / network-lock / price / etc. issues that tethering to an iPhone would.

Stop being surprised when years-old features are suddenly "added" to products that should have had them (and technically *could* have had them for absolutely no price difference whatsoever) in the first place.

Re:Why? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263916)

Stop hoping for half-arsed solutions, trying to "jailbreak" your phone to do that, etc. Just buy one of the cheaper, easier, simpler devices that supports it out of the box without getting in your way or voiding your warranty. The companies that make those devices obviously know what you want and, crucially, will have been doing it properly, for longer.

This is my primary problem with the iPhone. I shouldn't have to hack my phone to do basic stuff.

Re:Why? (5, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264042)

Talk to AT&T about that - in the rest of the world, the iPhone has tethering as a basic non-jailbreak feature. The lack of tethering on the iPhone is the US is *entirely* AT&T's limitation, which is strange since they allow it on other phones on their network (of course, those phones are not as popular).

I didn't have to hack my iPhone to get tethering.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264194)

Talk to AT&T about that - in the rest of the world, ........

One day the US consumers will wake up and relize that they they do not have the best phone system in the world or even a decent one. However I am pretty sure that the required dose of reality that will bring about such an epiphany is much greater than the FDA approved daily dosage for American citizens

Re:Why? (1)

rcastro0 (241450) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264800)

> in the rest of the world, the iPhone has tethering as a basic non-jailbreak feature

Not in the whole rest of the world. Not here with Claro in Brazil, at least.

Re:Why? (1)

dskzero (960168) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264078)

Well, that's pretty much the deal with iPhones.

Either you hack it, or you're left to play with whatever Apple and your phone company wants you to do with it. In this case, the problem is Apple for playing along, and the phone company for... i'm not even sure what they are doing by locking it. Saving money, i would guess.

Down here in Venezuela we don't really have that problem, as our phone companies apparently don't give a damn about what we do with our lines, but we're cut short by the crapiness of the network. Apparently, in a highway in the middle of nothing is a wonderful spot to navigate via the fabled 3G, but somewhere in the suburbs isn't.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263918)

If a company has a device that doesn't support tethering, why would you buy their products if you want to tether it?

Geez, is it really that hard to understand? For a lot of people, tethering is a "nice to have" rather than a "must-have."

People who bought iPhones cared presumably more about the smartphone experience itself than being able to tether. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be happy when given the option to tether, just that it was not a key feature.

People for whom tethering was an essential feature probably didn't go with iPhones (at least in the USA, where ATT blocked it.)

Re:Why? (1)

scrote-ma-hote (547370) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264040)

The iPhone already supports tethering. For all it's issues, Vodafone NZ has supported this (for free, but with crappy data caps) since the 3gs came out.

Re:Why? (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264086)

Technically it's had the ability for a while now. I used to tether with my iPhone over bluetooth with my MBP for a short while when version 3.0 was released and before they required signed IPPC files from the carriers. I know a number of people in Europe who are able to tether because their provider allows for it. Here in the US, it's all square on AT&T for the reason tethering is not allowed.

I have a 3G card from the company (actually we have 5 of them) with a contract up in July. Those are $60 a pop for 5GB of download. We've already replaced three with iPad 3G's for me and President of the company and one roving for whomever is on helpdesk that night. Most people in the company already have an iPhone. Hell even if it was $20 a mont extra to allow tethering, we'd give the employees an extra $20 every month to pay for it. Much better than the 3G cards.

Cue the iSlave apologists...en mass (1, Troll)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264350)

If a company has a device that doesn't support tethering, why would you buy their products if you want to tether it? Why hype-up that they've "finally" included the damn thing, when it's been a standard feature on phones since GPRS and Bluetooth were available (my phone does it and that was released in 2003)?

NOOOO!!! Now you've done it! Asking a rhetorical questions founded on logic will bring Jobs' iSlaves out of the woodwork, screaming apologist tripe and nonsense defending the indefensible stance of their master and the crippled incapabilities of their jailed iPhones for the next 300 post. There goes the signal to noise ratio (and the neighborhood)...

Re:Cue the iSlave apologists...en mass (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264862)

Did it occur to you that most people that bought the iPhone don't really care about tethering?

Those that did, apparently found a way. Those that didn't care weren't really affected by not having it available.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264718)

Why would you join them if they don't support tethering. . . . Because the iPhone is just that good . . . . Android might be catching up, but heck, you are still comparing it to an iPhone. When it can stand alone without having to be compared the iPhone. . . . lets talk. . .

Re:Why? (0, Troll)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264940)

To put it bluntly for the mentally challenged such as yourself ...

because tethering isn't THE ONLY THING people care about in a phone?

because I like having all the other features of the iPhone more than I care about tethering which I use once or twice a year?

because theres a lot more to a phone, like being a phone, than the one thing you seem to think is the only thing people care about if they want tethering.

And for only a small $40 a month charge (1, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263900)

No thanks, I'll just do it for free on Android.

Jailbroken tethering works great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32263942)

Exciting, but I have no interest in paying ATT for tethering. I tether on my jailbroken iphone now with the existing capabilities and it works fantastic! No need to update or pay for this privilege if you are a light user of tether, ATT doesn't notice.

Performance (1)

Trip6 (1184883) | more than 4 years ago | (#32263976)

I'm sure my porn downloads will FLY with this new free feature.

iPhone 4??? (-1, Troll)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264146)

So, is Apple now going to sue itself for publishing details on the iPhone 4 prior to it's release? Or do they only sue people they set up to find "accidentally" lost versions?

Re:iPhone 4??? (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264232)

Apple hasn't sued anyone over the prototype. There was a criminal investigation, but that was handled by the police and the California authorities - Apple had nothing to do with that.

Something about posting clear evidence on the internet that you bought stolen property makes police departments pretty likely to come and bust you. A nice easy "crime solved" case for the statistics.

Re:iPhone 4??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264370)

So, is Apple now going to sue itself for publishing details on the iPhone 4 prior to it's release? Or do they only sue people they set up to find "accidentally" lost versions?

There's a difference between the iPhone 4g which hasn't been announced and OS 4.0 which has been announced. This announcement is all about OS 4.0

Re:iPhone 4??? (1)

virg_mattes (230616) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264390)

I hate to take the piss out of you over this (who am I kidding? I'm quite pleased to do it...) but if the person they "set up" just handed to phone back to Apple there'd be no grounds for a suit. It's those who would take such a find and try to turn a profit off of it that would be at risk. Greed engenders risk; don't try to get what isn't yours to have and you won't run afoul of Apple's "dastardly plan", now will you?

Virg

Re:iPhone 4??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264474)

I like your black & white world; mine has too many shades of gray.

It seems your tinfoil hat is on so tight, it's made you forget to read your own sig.

Re:iPhone 4??? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264510)

iPhone OS Version 4. Not iPhone 4.

Re:iPhone 4??? (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264546)

How do people seriously think that was a marketing stunt? Are people seriously so blind to the realities of our world (namely that there are greedy fucks out there who will lie, cheat, and steal in order to make a buck) that they cannot see a crime for what it is? Hint: when a guy tries to hide and destroy evidence before the police get to them, that's a pretty clear sign that they did something wrong and they know it.

But, hey, keep pretending that a crime wasn't committed. Whatever you need to do to foster your hate of Apple.

The kicker is, if you disagree with choices Apple makes, there's lots of legitimate reasons to dislike the company. Making crap up just seems utterly pointless when there's actual legitimate reasons to dislike the company. People might disagree with you or not feel your reasons are sufficient to hate the company, but you'd at least be basing your opinion on something real.

Re:iPhone 4??? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264694)

Okay, the first lost iPhone4 may have been interpreted as a crime, the second one was either unprecedented stupidity from a company with a long history of doing this right or purposely done. You decide.

Re:iPhone 4??? (1)

mapinguari (110030) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264746)

The beta release is under NDA, of course, so they certainly could sue the individual who violated the agreement.
Unlikely.

Didn't they already announce this? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264168)

This doesn't sound new.

Sounds great! (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264180)

Posted from a laptop tethered to a WinMobile device, which has supported tethering since release, over USB, Bluetooth, and WiFi (act as wireless router).

But yeah, you enjoy your "progress."

Re:Sounds great! (1)

Combatso (1793216) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264236)

posted from a computer connected to the internet.. What's your point? We all know OTHER devices do stuff.

Re:Sounds great! (1)

Raverrn (835640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32264662)

Posting from a laptop via (non-hacked, cracked, or broken) tethered American iPhone. You just need the right carrier files.

signals AT&T support, not Apple accomplishment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32264824)

I agree that, while this is interesting, it points more towards AT&T choosing to offer tethering and having enough confidence in their network can handle the additional load then to any achievement on the iPhone. As others mentioned, this was achievable quite a while back with a little website hack (if you dared risk being slammed with a giant fee one day for doing it).

It actually surprises me that they are making this move. I have a friend that work for AT&T who told me that in a lot of areas (universities, metro, etc.) they WAY underestimated the bandwidth usage of iPhone users and that their network was being more heavily taxed than they had anticipated. I would rather see them address what I see as something that is still an irritation before adding yet another bandwidth taxing feature.

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