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Scientists Implant Biofuel Cells Into Rats

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the welcome-to-the-matrix dept.

Biotech 164

RedmondChris writes "A team of scientists from Joseph Fourier University in France have successfully implanted biofuel cells into rats, generating 6.5 microwatts by harnessing the power of glucose. From the article: 'The device uses enzymes to harvest energy from glucose and oxygen found naturally in the body. Past attempts at using such a device in animals have failed because the enzymes have required acidic conditions or were inhibited by charged particles in the fluid surrounding cells. But Philippe Cinquin and his team from Joseph Fourier University in Grenoble, France, overcame these obstacles by confining selected enzymes inside graphite discs that were placed into dialysis bags. Glucose and oxygen flowed into the device, but enzymes stayed in place and catalyzed the oxidation of glucose to generate electrical energy.'"

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I for one... (1)

AnonGCB (1398517) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273626)

... Welcome our new cyborg rat overlords!

Re:I for one... (0)

MokuMokuRyoushi (1701196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273918)

In Soviet Russia - ah, screw it.

Re:I for one... (1)

FunkyRider (1128099) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274040)

In Soviet Russia, machine is powered by you!

Re:I for one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32273964)

Phone in my head, perpetually powered by me.

Re:I for one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274062)

They just keep going and going and going . . .

Re:I for one... (0)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274090)

We're a few steps from sharks with frickin laser beams!

Re:I for one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274938)

Exactly my thoughts... and you know what?

-- I'm worried about the poor sharks.

How closer to mad scientists do we have to get? What is missing? The maniacal laughter? The "it's alive!" cry?

> The technology could be used for a range of applications, such as neural and bone-growth stimulators, drug delivery devices, insulin pumps, and biosensors ... not to mention zombies that walk without needing food. Hey, waiddamin, wasn't there that guy in India... ! Wow! I mean, really wow! ... Nah! Must be totally another thing... or is it?!?

Life imitates the movies.... (3, Funny)

GaryOlson (737642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273666)

Except The Matrix is a The Maze full of rats.

Re:Life imitates the movies.... (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274774)

Remember the slashdot story a few years ago about MIT using electronics attached directly to a rat's brain to steer it around using a remote control in order to run network cabling through tough spaces? So yeah, we have officially invented the basis for a rat matrix :D

Re:Life imitates the movies.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32275324)

If the chips start outputing more electrical energy than the chemical energy they take in, then it will be like The Matrix.

What's that you say? Something about thermodynamics and breaking the laws of physics? To hell with the laws of physics!

The Matrix (2, Funny)

zaydana (729943) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273672)

I guess its only a matter of time before we have big towers full of humans in glowy red fluid which generate electricity. And hovercrafts, lots of hovercrafts.

Re:The Matrix (1)

zoloto (586738) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274346)

I love how you were modded redundant, as if there's a big "DUH" tag we could stick on this news story.

The Ratrix. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274388)

Lets use these rats instead. Crispin Glover can be the villain.

Re:The Matrix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274488)

Pfff, flying cars will never happen.

Yes, but how will we tax it? (2, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273676)

If the carbon tax [slashdot.org] passes, do we tax it based on the amount of carbon in the glucose, or what???

Re:Yes, but how will we tax it? (2, Funny)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274252)

I love how your first thought after reading about a new scientific breakthrough is "How can we tax this???"

You should run for office in Massachusetts.

Re:Yes, but how will we tax it? (2, Funny)

lena_10326 (1100441) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275000)

Massachutax.

Re:Yes, but how will we tax it? (3, Funny)

dontbgay (682790) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275232)

It seems as if your sig contains some irony.

Re:Yes, but how will we tax it? (1)

metrometro (1092237) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274544)

If the carbon tax [slashdot.org] passes, do we tax it based on the amount of carbon in the glucose, or what???

This is why we need cap and trade, not a carbon tax. If I can produce energy that's carbon neutral, I'll get paid to be fat.

Oh, I get it now (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32273680)

Mrs. Frisby and the rats were in the Matrix all this time. That explains why the second and third books were such disappointments.

Re:Oh, I get it now (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273710)

Nah, it's because the second and third books were written by a different author.

Back To The Future (4, Funny)

AnotherAnonymousUser (972204) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273714)

Marty: Are you telling me that this sucker is nuclear?
Doc Brown: No, no, no, no, no. This sucker's electrical. But I need a rat to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity I need.

Re:Back To The Future (2, Interesting)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274982)

I'm sure in 1985 you can get a rat in any corner drug store, but in 1953 they're a little hard to come by.

(was it 1953? don't feel like looking it up)

Re:Back To The Future (1)

saforrest (184929) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275292)

(was it 1953? don't feel like looking it up)

1955. Don't ask me why I remember that.

Re:Back To The Future (2, Interesting)

Rollgunner (630808) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275066)

For 1.21 gigawatts, you're going to need a little over 200 trillion rats (at 6.5 milliwatts each)... I do not volunteer to do the wiring.

Metabolism number two (2, Funny)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273728)

Wow, a second metabolism for charging my cellphone/laptop/plug-in hybrid? Sounds great! I wonder approximately how many miles of range you could get out of a big mac? "Yeah I better supersize that sucker, i'm headed out of town this weekend!"

Re:Metabolism number two (2, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273828)

More likely an insulin pump and eventually an artificial heart.

Re:Metabolism number two (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274110)

You are not thinking strait, those are practical medical applications.

This things first real application in humans? A weight loss supplement for the fabulously wealthy.

Re:Metabolism number two (2, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274218)

Coupled to internal LED safety lights? I hate bumping into naked people in dark alleys.

Re:Metabolism number two (1)

jginspace (678908) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274866)

I was thinking the same. Or the other side of the coin: an eat-as-much-as-you-like enabler. Gluttons can overdose on pizza then have enough glucose to give their netbook a full charge.

Re:Metabolism number two (5, Funny)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275384)

That was my first thought. This could bring Americans back from the brink of fat jokes and into the forefront of human-powered portable devices -- while slimming us down at the same time. Think about that! No change in lifestyle or habits, but you're thinner AND you don't have to plug your cellphone in ever again!

My second thought was "holy sweet shit I want a laser in my index finger"

Re:Metabolism number two (1)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275352)

This gives a whole new meaning to "feeling rundown," "recharge my batteries," and "pump me up."

So can we... (1)

sv_libertarian (1317837) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273744)

Do this to politicians too, and make them finally serve a useful purpose?

effects on the host? (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273758)

i have to wonder what the effects on the host would be. sounds like a really complex way to generate power rath then just burning the fuel to produce steam etc.

Re:effects on the host? (4, Interesting)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274272)

The major advantage is that it becomes a plausible source of power for implanted devices. Health monitoring devices but also storage, computer interfaces, pretty much anything you can imagine. This sort of technology makes cyborg implants much more plausible.

Re:effects on the host? (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274362)

didn't think of that, very interesting from that point of view. it gives you a way to power devices just by eating.

american's will be able to run a 40 inch plasma then?

Re:effects on the host? (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275416)

This gives a whole new meaning and whole new way to burn fat. Just plug in the TV to yourself and watch those pounds melt away!

Re:effects on the host? (4, Funny)

GuruBuckaroo (833982) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274314)

Yeah, but how many watts can you get just by burning a pile of dead rats?

Re:effects on the host? (2, Insightful)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275222)

i have to wonder what the effects on the host would be. sounds like a really complex way to generate power rath then just burning the fuel to produce steam etc.

Or getting them to turn a crank or walk on a treadmill... Just doing some exercise is the simplest, healthiest AND it helps your muscles turn into something that prospective partners would *want* to look at.

These scientists, I tell ya. (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273760)

I wonder if they were the kids who poured gasoline in cat's asses and watched them run around until they stopped. You know, the cats ran out of gas.

Now it's biofuels. You can take the scientist out of the kid but not the kid out of the scientist ... or something....

Re:These scientists, I tell ya. (2, Funny)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275392)

I'd be more worried about what the scientists were doing in kids in the first place, but that's just me

A true renewable power solution (1)

texwtf (558874) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273768)

How soon can we hook them up to The Matrix?

Re:A true renewable power solution (1)

thehostiles (1659283) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273794)

we only need to do that if they become troublesome and don't stay in stasis

Re:A true renewable power solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32273812)

I'd hope that these power sources are hooked up to pacemakers or other bio-med devices... Current batteries are OK, but require surgery to replace.

Re:A true renewable power solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274608)

I'd hope that these power sources are hooked up to pacemakers or other bio-med devices... Current batteries are OK, but require surgery to replace.

Wait, won't you replace the rat by surgery too?

Re:A true renewable power solution (2, Funny)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275228)

I'd hope that these power sources are hooked up to pacemakers or other bio-med devices... Current batteries are OK, but require surgery to replace.

Whereas these new batteries are OK, but require sugary to replace?

The Ratrix. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274768)

Hopefully soon! NYC would be a good place to start.

Acidic Conditions? (1)

flaming error (1041742) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273822)

"Past attempts ... have failed because the enzymes have required acidic conditions"
Maybe it would work with fatty acids. We could install permanent liposuction ports to our bellies and recharge our cell phones on the go.

Now that we have the power source ... (1)

Evil Pete (73279) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273838)

... we can attach the lasers to their heads.

God damn rat bastards (0, Offtopic)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273846)

I've got nothing.

Re:God damn rat bastards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32273934)

then shut the fuck up

Enough power for a pacemaker? (5, Interesting)

hrvatska (790627) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273908)

After reading TFA, I was left wondering if this technique could be used to generate enough power to eliminate or reduce the need to replace pacemaker batteries.

Re:Enough power for a pacemaker? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274148)

There's already a way to recharge pacemaker batteries without replacing them.

Re:Enough power for a pacemaker? (3, Informative)

hrvatska (790627) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274556)

I had heard that current rechargeable pacemakers aren't as popular as the non-rechargeable units because they're much bigger and bulkier than non-rechargeable units.

Re:Enough power for a pacemaker? (2, Interesting)

Ichijo (607641) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275522)

I had heard that current rechargeable pacemakers aren't as popular as the non-rechargeable units because they're much bigger and bulkier than non-rechargeable units.

If it's due to the size of the battery, this glucose fuel cell could eliminate the need for batteries entirely.

Re:Enough power for a pacemaker? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32275316)

No. Doctors would never, ever use them. Cardiologists make $thousands with each pacemaker change and update. On top of that, pacemakers have been known to fail, and people don't really want decades-old machinery in their body. It's a good thought, but implausible.

Diabetics (5, Interesting)

AMMalena (845995) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273914)

Anyone consider the possibility of a device that not only produces energy from the body, but also uses up glucose? A device that conceivably could both help eat up Glucose and POWER a MONITOR to help see how the diabetic is doing??

I happen to be a highly insulin-resistant Type 2, and this was the first thing I thought of when I read this.

Re:Diabetics (4, Funny)

marciot (598356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274044)

I can totally see a hypoglycemic person frantically fumbling through his pockets to turn on enough electronic gadgets to burn up all the extra glucose before it's too late.

"My netbook is going into power saving mode? NOOOOOO!"

Re:Diabetics (4, Informative)

compro01 (777531) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274136)

That should be hyperglycemic. Hypoglycemic means the blood sugar is too low.

Re:Diabetics (1)

DigitalReverend (901909) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275128)

Right, and if the electricity is being produced by the glucose (blood sugar) and it gets too low, then the device will go into power saving mode due to lack of enough energy.

Here's your sign.

Oops, give me back the sign please. (1)

DigitalReverend (901909) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275192)

Ahh I see after reading through the thread a 4th time that you may be right. When I read the ggp, I read he was going through his pockets looking for some candy to keep the device one. But if he was going through hit pockets looking to turn on other devices to use up excess glucose, then that indeed would be hyperglycemia. My apologies.

Re:Oops, give me back the sign please. (0, Troll)

rpresser (610529) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275288)

See, the traditional way of burning up excess glucose is called EXERCISE.

Fraking Complicator's Gloves, everywhere.

It causes acidosis, and Cancer is a fungus. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274066)

if you have sugar in your blood, then cancer will leach it down and then generate it's anti-host viral bodies to subdue the host immune system while it enters in phase with the flesh to lower the PH of the surrounding environment where the leaching parasitism begins.

Re:It causes acidosis, and Cancer is a fungus. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274340)

are you retarded?

Cancer is not a fungus fool.

Re:Diabetics (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274146)

so you are an obese bastard
get a bariatric surgery and some crystal meth...

Re:Diabetics (4, Insightful)

GuruBuckaroo (833982) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274336)

Just... just fuck you. Seriously.

Re:Diabetics (1)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275246)

get a bariatric surgery and some crystal meth...

Or just spend 48 hours every weekend, up to your eyeballs in a cocktail of speed and MDMA, dancing your ass off. I know a guy that dropped like 60kg like that in a few months, then quit when he was at a healthy weight. Risky and illegal but damned if it ain't effective.

Why just blood sugar? (1)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274400)

Anyone consider the possibility of a device that not only produces energy from the body, but also uses up glucose? A device that conceivably could both help eat up Glucose and POWER a MONITOR to help see how the diabetic is doing??

Forget monitor, just a bio-fueled sensor that beams readings to an external display device (like your BlueTooth-enabled cellphone?). But: I think you need a good reason to implant any foreign object into the body. I can appreciate the urge if you're a diabetic that would benefit from regular blood-sugar monitoring. But if you're going to implant a sensor for that, why not a sensor that measures a much larger set of interesting blood levels? And at that point, it could be interesting for anyone that wants to know how his/her own body is doing, cold-hard-measurements wise.

Imagine a sort of miniturized chemistry-lab-on-a-chip (I'm guessing there are already some suitable examples in existence) that's inserted in a strategic location. To signal you things like: "now would be a good time to eat a potassium-rich food item", "you're just within the legal limit on your blood alcohol", etc. etc. etc. besides watch your glucose level. If application for diabetics drives this forward: good for you.

Re:Why just blood sugar? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274552)

How about a device which directly filters bacteria out of the blood stream? Or a remotely controlled robot which can eat out the interior of an otherwise inoperable tumor?

Re:Why just blood sugar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32275134)

filtering blood is incredibly difficult. That's the kidney's job anyway.

If filtering could eliminate pathogens, there would be no blood-borne diseases.

Tumor-eating robots are also a bad idea. Anything it can do, can be done in surgery.

This is for monitoring devices and maybe small chemical pumps. Very small pumps, since once inserted it will be hell to refill a tank.

Electric rodent = Pikachu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32273928)

...at least according to the anime.

I, for one, welcome our new Pokémon overlords!

Only a matter of time (4, Funny)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273954)

Customer: Yes, I would like the biofuel cell package installed.
Store Rep: No problem... how much were you looking for?
Customer: I got one of those new holographic iGotta2HavIt's and about 15 pounds to lose....
Store Rep: You want the BF2000.... now of course you will also need the battery pack installed which is this 12 inch long unit we shove...
Customer: Does that come in black?
Store Rep: Lot's of people ask that... yes we do.

Conversation in the near future (1)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 4 years ago | (#32273984)

"That's a really nice smart phone, man! But doesn't a screen that size really suck power"

"Well, yeah, a bit, but it comes with a 20 rat-power charger. Fifteen minutes in the cage and it's good to go."

Isn't this kinda like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274038)

Evil?

Rats in your tank ? (1)

barath_s (609997) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274052)

So we have gone now from putting a Tiger [versacreations.net] in your tank to putting Rats in your tank ? Whatever next ? Snakes on a plane ?

So if these rats mutate... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274086)

A team of scientists from Joseph Fourier University in France

So, if these rats mutate into something horrible... would we call it a fourier transformation?

So my bill is measured in rats now... (1)

neorush (1103917) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274096)

So I only need (3200 watts x 1,000,000uW) / 6.5uW = 492,307,693 rats to power my home!

Re:So my bill is measured in rats now... (1)

neorush (1103917) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274124)

In fairness I get it, this is a great break through for low power devices if you could power them with sugar from your own blood. Very cool.

Re:So my bill is measured in rats now... (1)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275252)

And your username is 'neorush', which seems appropriate for someone commenting on a story about (a) powering electrical gadgets with mammals, and (b) doing so using a 'sugar rush'. :)

A message from Apple Computers (4, Funny)

Torodung (31985) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274260)

Remember: You will not be able to change the batteries on your iRat. There are no serviceable parts inside.

We'll be getting more of this magical product to market, as soon as Steve finishes playing his iPipe.

If your kids go missing, don't worry, Think Furry (TM)

--
Toro

It's funny to watch (5, Funny)

Tibia1 (1615959) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274266)

rats undergo a series of scientific experiments through the ages. They'll be the first to get neural implants that highly increase cognitive function. They'll be the first to connect to the internet directly through the brain. Aliens might assume they are more intelligent than us on first glance. Sitting around reproducing, reaping the rewards of science while humans do all the gruntwork...

They have been planning this from the beginning.

Re:It's funny to watch (2, Funny)

gmrath (751453) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274884)

"What are we going to do tonight, Brain?"

Re:It's funny to watch (1)

Ironlenny (1181971) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275048)

It is common knowledge in the rest of the galaxy that humans are only the third smartest lifeforms on Earth. The fact that you still haven't figured that out is pretty belgium if you ask me. (Apologies to Mr. Adams)

Re:It's funny to watch (1)

Caraig (186934) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275212)

That's a rather egregious use of the word 'belgium,' don't you think?

Re:It's funny to watch (1)

Ironlenny (1181971) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275272)

Nothing is to egregious for belgium.

Re:It's funny to watch (1)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275104)

They'll be the first to connect to the internet directly through the brain.

They already have. Where do you think all those duplicate stories come from?

Re:It's funny to watch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32275254)

Douglas Adams beat you to the punch. We are of coarse the third most intelligent race on the planet. The first being white mice. You forgot that they have managed to turn off some of the aging genes in mice and rats so we are also talking immortal super mice and rats. Next thing you know they'll be testing the next gen iPhones on the little buggers.

Re:It's funny to watch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32275342)

With the oceans filling up with oil, the second most intelligent species is about to leave... I do believe there is a "Goodbye and thanks for all the fish" in our near future.

el chief (1)

el chief (1768752) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274300)

Combined with a form of fusion the machines had found all the energy they would ever need

a pile of dead rats (1)

laptop loveer (1630395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274562)

Yeah, but how about the quality of the cell?

Hmmm.... (0, Offtopic)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274670)

Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a... battery?

release them energy (1)

floatingrunner (621481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274686)

can we loose weight from this?

moD down (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32274724)

variatio8s on the

trap for excess blood glucose? (1)

harley78 (746436) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274726)

Or a "cure" for Diabetes 1 while powering your iPod like device etc..? If you could relieve the bloodstream of excess glucose in diabetics(I) w/o supplementing insulin(or much less), that's green energy, right? Not trying to be cold hearted; but -any- energy conversion that helps will be good sooner that later...

All for me to browse /. (2, Interesting)

masterwit (1800118) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274818)

If one rat generates 6.5 microwatts, this current computer requires 650 watt psu, that is ~100 million rats to power my computer without a display...give or take other factors not-considered. Additionally, a single rat consumes lets say hypothetically 200 calories a day (I couldn't find a real number). That means I would need 20 billion calories to power my computer for a day off rats. If the average nuclear power plant produces roughly 1000 MW, and if that energy could be converted to calories to feed rats, that means that a nuclear power plant could only feed enough rats to power 85,000 machines.

That retarded example above, even if the efficiencies were improved and the calories needed per rat were reduced, tells me that that this is not a very efficient way to generate power. I'll stick to other methods for now...
 
Disclaimer: Yes this is bad science, yes this is bad math, yes sig figs were ignored, yes technology can improve into the future, yes my sources are Google search results, rabble rabble rabble...

Re:All for me to browse /. (1)

masterwit (1800118) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274850)

Oh forgot, to add to the perspective (however skewed), 1000 MW powers ~1.5 million 650 watt PSU's... I think. This whole analogy is ridiculous.

Rat power... (1)

JLangbridge (1613103) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274862)

Great. Now future cars are going to be sold as having x rat-power, instead of x horse-power...

Next thing you know... (1)

questionsaddict (1277150) | more than 4 years ago | (#32274896)

and we'll be charging our cellphones by plugging them to our....

bellybutton.

definitively, the bellybutton

(there was a pun there, but i forgot what it was)

I can see it now (1)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 4 years ago | (#32275210)

Dan "sheesh John you are a pig today, slow down" John "been a busy day, had to recharge my laptop and mobile phone of my Persocharger so now I am starving" Dan " heard Rachael got booked into a hospital because her glucose levels crashed when she forgot to take a mains cable on holiday for her vibrator" Both laugh
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