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Google Outlines Feature Set For Android 2.2

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the more-android-than-android dept.

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evdotorrey writes "Google announced new features and improvements for Android 2.2. New features include Flash and HTML 5 support, faster browser performance using the V8 engine, Microsoft Exchange support, a Portable Hotspot feature that makes your phone a Wi-Fi hotspot, and many more exciting features." An anonymous reader adds some more on the new release, codenamed Froyo: "Google claims the operating system will be from two to five times faster thanks to advances made in the compilers and the Dalvik virtual machine it uses, and how it is ported to new processors and platforms. On the enterprise front the new operating system comes with full support for Microsoft Exchange, including access to the global address book and the ability to translate native security features to mobile handsets. APIs have also been added to allow controls such as the automatic wiping of missing handsets and other remote management features. Google is also making its voice translation and search APIs open to developers, and showed off an application developed for the handset that allowed real time translation from English to French."

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Anonymous Cow (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32289948)

Even though I've seen these features a hundred times, I can't help but take another peek at what the future without apple in my pocket may hold.

Re:Anonymous Cow (4, Interesting)

beav007 (746004) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290156)

I just bought an HTC Desire, which is running Android 2.1. It's absolutely fantastic to use.

I have but one complaint. The RSS reader is a PITA to put a feed into unless it's a predefined/preapproved feed.

Dear Google;

Please, can we have an icon/button somewhere on the browser that shows that there are RSS feeds associated with that web page, and an integrated way to subscribe to them?

Thanks

-beav007

Re:Anonymous Cow (2, Informative)

a.ameri (665846) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290200)

Try NewsRob. It syncs with Google Reader and is just a pleasure to use.

Re:Anonymous Cow (3, Informative)

Hannes2000 (1113397) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290502)

I just use the Google Reader mobile webapp, which really works like a charm.

Re:Anonymous Cow (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290742)

Same here - works pretty well, but I'd like to not have to mark articles as read manually...

Re:Anonymous Cow (4, Insightful)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290272)

Even though I've seen these features a hundred times, I can't help but take another peek at what the future without apple in my pocket may hold.

Every time I to look into my future I find the screen blocked by the sheer amount of cash I have by not having apple in my pocket.

Re:Anonymous Cow (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290478)

This is a fair point - the cost of Apple devices is significantly higher.
I just got an HTC Desire for £192 on a 24 month contract at £15/month. Compare to Apple, where my 3G cost me similar money, but on a £35/month contract. On the plus side, I sold my 3G for just over £200 second hand, so I'm win-win.
When I was debating the switch from Apple to Android, I thought "I can wait for the new iPhone release, pay a couple of hundred quid for the handset and be on a £35/month contract, or I can halve my monthly tarrif and basically get the phone free if I sell my old iPhone on eBay.

Re:Anonymous Cow (-1, Troll)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290640)

A crappy browser that makes you look at crappy Flash? Guess we can see that Google lacks the balls to stand up for standards and a high-quality user experience. We'll never kill these crappy products if we keep catering to the morons that use them. Might as well shove IE5 on there so THOSE people don't have to update their websites either. Afterall a lot of Intranet stuff still is designed exclusively for IE5 - somebody might find IE5 a useful feature.

Re:Anonymous Cow (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290806)

It doesn't *make* you do anything. Don't want Flash? Don't download the Flash app from the marketplace.

No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32289962)

That clunky looking new iPhone and Apple's pathetic and half-assed fake multi-tasking and wallpapers sure as hell is no Android-killer.

Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290022)

You obviously know nothing about how Apple's multi-tasking works. It is is much more efficient than Androids. I develop for both platforms and I see a hundred comments by idiots like you every day yapping away. Apple has Android beat on app quality and smacks them down hard on media sync and playback. So run along to your room in your parents basement and don't post about things you don't understand.

Flow Those Bitter Apple Fanboy Tears (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290060)

Don't cry assclown. No one is going to take away your piece of crap iPhone.

Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290110)

I develop on both platforms too... android's implementation is by far superior. You obviously don't understand what is going on. That's fine... keep your little fanboy. Reality distortion field going.

Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290120)

You obviously know nothing about how Apple's multi-tasking works.

It doesn't. Whatever you call the thing Apple is doing on their iPhones, it isn't multitasking and it isn't particularly similar to multitasking.

Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place (5, Interesting)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290136)

I've just switched from iPhone to Android. I'd jailbroken my phone to add the features Apple didn't seem to want to give me, I'd call myself a power user of the iPHone (if there is such a thing) and I just got tired of fighting Apple. Every update they push, arbitrary app restrictions (google voice?) - in the end it was an Engadget podcast that persuaded me to switch. Do I want a future of everything coming thru Apple and iTunes (with Apple nickle-and-diming me to death on each transaction), or do I want a connected handset produced by a vendor who has a vested interest in it integrating nicely with as many third-party services (twitter/facebook/flickr etc) as possible? When Apple bought the mobile advertising network it was the last straw.
I now have 2.1 on an HTC Desire and couldn't be happier. All of a sudden you're not treated like an evil hacker for wanting apps that "think different" - it's encouraged.
Case in point: forgot to copy a new album over to my phone. I realised I could wirelessly connect to my LAN, browse the content, copy an album over to my handset. Job done.

Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290370)

I just switched from iPhone to Android and I find that Android devices are just too wide, too big for me. The iPhone was slim. Smoooooth. Shiny. I could place it upright on a chair and just sit on it.

But what of the Androids? They're ridiculously fat and require a concoction of KY Jelly and Preparation H to "work for me." They're so rough and unrefined -- they're the "lumberjack bears" of portable phones. Rough, I like. But I still have to go out and be able to sit down without wincing. The roughness of the operating system is fine, I'll deal with that...but please, please make something that fits in my ass! Work with me, ladies!

Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place (4, Informative)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290398)

My HTC desire fits in my iPhone silicone skin. It's almost exactly the same size down to the last mm. YMMV.

Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place (0)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290454)

WARNING: Sitting on your cellular device voids all hardware warranties on it.
DO NOT SIT ON YOUR PHONE!
You can sit on an iPhone, but it will likely break. You can sit on a Nexus One, but it will likely break.

- -
I am not a lawyer, this does not constitute legal advice.

Gone back to cooking ROMs - BAD!!! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290506)

As much as I agree about Apple controlling the iPhone OS and the phone (and it being somewhat limited) - and there being some great Jailbroken apps - the WiFi iTunes syncing is my favourite. BUT I actually like, not having that constant desire to have the latest rom upgrade with the latest features all the time. I've just got a HTC Desire - but I honestly thought it would have the OTA updates as and when Google releases new updates.

I've realised we've just gone back 5-6yrs with Andriod, do you remember buying a Windows Mobile device (XDA or similar) and only 2months later, a new device, with a new version of Windows Mobile on it - with some great features, only to find out, that your device will not be updated for xx Months - or never.

Take the current HTC devices - the Hero is still on Andriod 1.6 no? - And people are having to hack/root them for the Andriod base to get the Hero (and other handsets) to running the latest ROMs.

I'm done with cooking roms, not working bluetooth, not functioning qwerty keyboards etc etc. iPhone - works. Simple.

Re:Gone back to cooking ROMs - BAD!!! (1)

GORby_ (101822) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290808)

The Hero never even made it to 1.6... Still works very well on 1.5 though, and when (or if) the 2.1 update finally comes, it should be even better.
The 'iPhone philosophy' with all phones (capable of) running the same version of the OS (albeit with a few functions disabled in v4 for some models) is an advantage. I hope the more modular updates that are promised for future android versions will remedy that issue.

Re:No Wonder Why Apple Got Dumped Into 3rd Place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290726)

They have a vested interest in having you use google services. I do not see any real long term interest in having things sync with twitter/facebook/flickr any more than apple. The difference is that apple has decided, probably correctly at the time, to restrict what an app can do (and how you can install it) in order to make for a simpler interface. (and some evil)

To be honest, most people like the dummy-proof straight jacket that apple provides on the phone.

LOL, What An Idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290752)

"To be honest, most people like the dummy-proof straight jacket that apple provides on the phone."

Yes, that's why Apple is in third place in mobile phone sales.

Fucking idiot.

Vendor / carrier upgrades (5, Interesting)

Kethinov (636034) | more than 4 years ago | (#32289964)

I love everything about Android except one thing: Vendor/carrier OS upgrades.

As someone who wants to switch from iPhone to the HTC Evo 4G in June, I have one message to Sprint/HTC/whoever is responsible: Please make Android 2.2 available as soon as a stable build is out. If it takes months after stable 2.2 is released, I'm gonna be a very vocally dissatisfied customer.

So please vendors / carriers, do us this courtesy and we'll all love you and happily part with obscene quantities of money for quality service.

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32289986)

I thought you could pretty much install whatever you wanted in your Android.

Are "alternative" OSs so inferior compared to the official upgrades?

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (5, Informative)

Tukz (664339) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290084)

You can, if you install a generic Android.

Vendor or carrier specific firmware isn't anything new.
Symbian has done it for YEARS.

The carriers custom fit the firmware, either removing certain things or add carrier specific applications.
It's no different with Android phones.

Which mean what when a new Android is released, the vendors and/or carriers have to custom fit the new version to their own and then release it to their customers. As you can probably imagine, this can take quite a while.

Ever since I started with Symbian many years ago, I've reinstalled with generic firmware as fast as possible.
If HTC is as slow as I've heard, I'm gonna do the same when I get my HTC Desire next month.

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290490)

Data point: the HTC Desire usually ships with a pretty fast ROM. I had the UK T-Mobile one and it was as quick as standard. Only customisation was a T-Mobile boot screen and a "Web and Walk" logo overlaid on the browser icon. It did, however, have a "feature" where the headphone output level was too low. I flashed the vanilla HTC OEM ROM to fix this, but speed isn't normally an issue with the latest HTC devices.
The HTC Sense UI is actually pretty damn nice, I prefer it to the Nexus One. I accept I'm gonna have to wait for 2.2 though!

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290612)

Data point: the HTC Desire usually ships with a pretty fast ROM. I had the UK T-Mobile one and it was as quick as standard.

While that's true (I have a Desire on T-Mobile too), I think what the parent poster meant was slow *in releasing updated versions*. I've heard that too, and may go stock Android when 2.2 comes out. (Though I may wait and see if my workmate who also has a Desire does first, to see how he gets on with it...)

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

Tukz (664339) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290630)

heh, I don't even understand how he could have thought otherwise. I never said the ROM's was slow.

Anyway.

The guys over at http://www.androidcentral.com/ [androidcentral.com] had a talk with HTC.

HTC said phones released this year, will get Froyo in the second half of 2010.

[...] if your phone was launched this year, we will most likely offer an upgrade for it to the Froyo version. This includes popular models like the Desire and Droid Incredible as well as hotly anticipated phones like the Evo 4G, MyTouch slide and upcoming models. We will announce a full list of phones and dates once we are closer to launching the upgrades. We are working closely with Google and our other partners to ensure we have the earliest access to everything we need to provide a complete and solid Sense experience on Froyo. We expect to release all updates in the second half of this year but can't be more specific yet.

Source: http://www.androidcentral.com/most-2010-htc-android-phones-will-get-froyo-2010 [androidcentral.com]

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290702)

I have a Desire on Orange UK. I have no idea how long it'll take HTC to do 2.2, and then there'll be another wait while Orange screw it up (don't forget to kill reformatting of text when you zoom in the browser, and to remove Google talk but leave the service running, you useless schmucks, in addition to littering the phone with useless demo versions of paid-for apps which can't be removed).

I really need to be rid of all this crapware, but since this is my first Android phone I have no idea what is stock and what is HTC/Orange. Can someone tell me please?

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (4, Interesting)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290610)

The first thing I did with my Touch Diamond 2 was install a custom ROM. Stock / Vendor ROMs are almost always out of date before shipping, and updates from the vendor are few and far between. I don't expect this to be any different on Android phones.

There's a good community at xda-developers for Android phones. Check them out.

No custom ROMs for Motorola Milestone (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290668)

You can, if you install a generic Android.

Not on Motorola Milestone (the european version of Droid). Motorola has locked its bootloader so you can't install a generic Android image, unless you sign it with Motorola's keys.

There's an online petition about that issue:
http://www.petitiononline.com/freeblms/petition.html

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (5, Informative)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290766)

But the real question is how long until carriers start treating Android phones like any phone before it only authorizing their firmware to operate on their network and going to their "Market place"? I see that day coming soon rather than later as most carriers in the US don't want to be turned into dumb pipes. Talking with friends in Australia, it appears this has already happened down there with Android phones. They have to purchase apps through the carrier store, it blocks the Google Market Place.

The carriers great metric is "Revenue per customer". That is what they want to maximize. They saw how AT&T got pretty much blind sided by the success Apple has had with the iTunes App Store. They would rather see that 30% commission on each app sold than Google or independent developers.

I've already heard some complaints from friends with different Droid phones not being able to run the same apps. One person downloads an App that works great on a HTC, but a person with a Motorola can't down download the same app due to incompatible hardware.

As a developer, we're already charging 4x's the amount to develop for Android vs iPhone. Why? Because with Android we have test against 4 software versions and a number of different handsets and that adds a lot of time/cost in the QA phase. Not to mention keeping up with all the hardware is getting to be expensive for a small shop.

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (5, Informative)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290094)

The OS is a little different. If you buy a Google handset (G1, G2, Nexus One) then you get the update pushed OTA as it's released. If you buy another vendor's version, you have to wait whilst they customise the latest OS for their handset. Specifically, HTC sell Android handsets with their "Sense" UI. Historically they've been somewhat slow to release updates - HTC need to compile a new build, and they take their sweet time to do this. Whilst you can flash alternate ROMs (waves to XDA-Developers.com) to devices - e.g. Cyanogen - you need to be reasonably tech-savvy to do so, and if anything goes wrong you've lost your warranty. Couple this with some vendors taking extra steps to make it deliberately difficult to install third-party ROMs (I'm looking at you, HTC Desire!) and the upshot is that to upgrade safely/easily - wait for the vendor to release an update. To be on the bleeding edge you can take a (small) risk and install third party ROMs.

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

matunos (1587263) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290346)

Except Google's not selling directly anymore are they?

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290394)

They stopped selling the Nexus One directly, but are still selling the ADP and ADP2.

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (3, Informative)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290422)

Some phones are designated Google Experience devices. They carry the logo. The Nexus One is an example. In the UK I can walk into a Vodafone retail store and buy one now. It's being sold thru a phone company, but it's still a Google device.
This is differentiated from an Android handset which runs a non-Google vendor-modified OS such as HTC Sense.

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

wannabgeek (323414) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290676)

They stopped selling online. They are going to sell them through physical stores.

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290424)

. Couple this with some vendors taking extra steps to make it deliberately difficult to install third-party ROMs (I'm looking at you, HTC Desire!) and the upshot is that to upgrade safely/easily - wait for the vendor to release an update. To be on the bleeding edge you can take a (small) risk and install third party ROMs.

Be thankful you're not using a Motorola Milestone in the UK.

Fantastic handset dogged by a buggy gimped version of 2.1 and little hope of Custom ROM's ever allowing people to choose what they want out of their phone.

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290218)

I got a HTC Hero.
It still runs Android 1.5 But in the US they got it upgraded to 2.1 a few days ago. And here in Europe we will get the 2.1 Update sometime next month.

So android 1.6, 2.0, 2.1 and now 2.2 has been released in the time it takes HTC to upgrade from 1.5 to 2.1
So it will still be a release behind.

Sure I got a 1.5 phone, but the way that they update softwre today, and develepers develop to the newes OS and not old OS (New API, features etc.)
Then the OS realy need to be upgraded basic when it's released

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

Aeternitas827 (1256210) | more than 4 years ago | (#32289996)

I love everything about Android except one thing: Vendor/carrier OS upgrades.

Sadly, it's not just Android that gets wrecked by Vendor/Carrier tweaks; and the larger the carrier is, the worse it seems to get. Symbian devices that are/were carried by AT&T, for example, are incredibly gimped, and that made me very sad--unfortunately, buying un-branded, non-locked (for the GSM/UMTS crowd, not entirely up on how it goes for CDMA folks) devices skyrockets you into another price bracket, unless you've got the desire to work with 3rd party homebrew software, or money to shell out...it's gonna suck.

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (2, Interesting)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290232)

Can't you just debrand the phone? It was awlays quite straightforward with Symbian devices. As far as "skyrocketing you into another price bracket"...OTOH you can choose more affordable models and get cheaper plan/prepaid (yeah, I know, US specifics)

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

Aeternitas827 (1256210) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290456)

Can't you just debrand the phone? It was awlays quite straightforward with Symbian devices. As far as "skyrocketing you into another price bracket"...OTOH you can choose more affordable models and get cheaper plan/prepaid (yeah, I know, US specifics)

De-branding gets down to desire, and there's always the risk of your PC writing a 0 where there's supposed to be a 1 and bricking the device...it scares a lot of people off, even though it's more or less a freak accident. Then there's WinMo devices which are a little bit trickier, and Blackberry devices that I vaguely understand, let alone understanding the undoing of the branding.

So far as going with less expensive models and whatnot, you're going with fewer features, particularly here in the states; hell, I've seen a prepaid phone that not only had no camera, you couldn't use MMS with it--absurd in this day in age, look at how many were up in arms when the original iPhone wasn't MMS ready. If the phone doesn't have a good amount of oomph to begin with, what's the point?

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290660)

How is that risk any different during ordinary flashing?

And we're talking about unlocked, debranded Symbian phones; even if cheaper, they have all the features (except for any obvious hardware differences of course)

Re:Vendor / carrier upgrades (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290266)

If they just made Vendors UI's module based. it would help a lot.

HTC, SonyErisson both have there own UI over the standart Android UI.
And they says that it's porting that UI that takes time, so thats why they are so long to get new firmware out. (Even that HTC have released new phones with Android 2.1 and still claiming that the UI port is given trouble so older phones must wait 2 month longer)

If they made is module based, then you could upgrade the core Android, and get the new features, and fixes.
And the Vendor then just have to supply the UI.
Or if you got the phone for the hardware spec, and not the fancy UI, you could just get the standart Android.

DRM protected apps on SD card? (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 4 years ago | (#32289980)

My question: On Android 2.1 and earlier, copy-protected apps are kept in a directory only root has access to, /data/app-private.

Since apps are now installable on the memory card, are copy-protected apps only able to be put into internal memory, or is there a nasty new DRM mechanism put in to guard the apps that are on the SD card?

Re:DRM protected apps on SD card? (4, Informative)

w0mprat (1317953) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290052)

No DRM. Not having root access in stock Android carrier/HTC will sufficiently prevent casual copying of paid apps to another device. After market ROMs or a ROOT access package will most certainly have this restriction lifted. You are not DRM-locked into not being able to copy/backup your paid apps, but you will void your warranty to do so.

If there is, it will be rather easily removed with superuser permissions.

By far the best feature of Android is the thriving community of after-market OS builds. It's like upgrading your phone for free. I'm not affiliated, but right now feel obliged to shameless endorse CyanogenMod's G1/G2/Nexus One custom ROMs http://www.cyanogenmod.com./ [www.cyanogenmod.com]

Re:DRM protected apps on SD card? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290180)

No, there is a form of DRM: if an application is swapped out to SD card, it is encrypted for the device so you can't just mount the card elsewhere and snarf the application.

Re:DRM protected apps on SD card? (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290344)

Files stored on the SD are not protected by being root-only, unlike files in main memory. So, either copy-protected apps will not be able to be stored externally, or they will have some form of encryption-based DRM, or varying strength. It could be something as simple as AES-256ing the .APK files and storing the key in a root owned directory with 700 perms, to a system similar to WM-DRM which has yet to see a crack for more than a week or two.

Re:DRM protected apps on SD card? (1)

kyz (225372) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290574)

According to http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/install-location.html [android.com]

* The .apk file is saved on the external storage, but all private user data, databases, optimized .dex files, and extracted native code are saved on the internal device memory.

* The unique container in which your application is stored is encrypted with a randomly generated key that can be decrypted only by the device that originally installed it. Thus, an application installed on an SD card works for only one device.

* Only new releases of apps can do this - they need to add "android:installLocation=preferExternal" to their manifest.

Re:DRM protected apps on SD card? (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290644)

Thank you. I didn't see that even though I was digging through the Android docs. The encryption is essentially the same method that Windows Mobile 6+ use to encrypt files on the SD card.

The mechanism is excellent -- a user can move apps from the SD card to the internal memory at will, provided there is enough room.

Which phone? (1, Offtopic)

Fackamato (913248) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290004)

Now the question is, should one get the HTC Desire (3.7" AMOLED) or the Sony Xperia X10 (4" TFT) ?

Re:Which phone? (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290050)

The X10 screen is great. Wonderful. I love it. But if you specifically want to run 2.2 then it's probably not your best option. It runs 1.6 now (works just fine) and the update to 2.1 is coming in October. But no word yet on when a 2.2 update would be available. Of course, no other maker has announced their upgrade schedule either. YMMV.

Re:Which phone? (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290116)

Paul O'Brien from Modaco (who is *the* guy for rooting these devices) has stated that he really doesn't like the X10. Not from a handset point of view, but because Sony has done their usual trick of fucking up perfectly good hardware with stupid software/DRM etc. If you want to be able to install third party ROMs like Cyanogen etc it's probably not a great choice.

Re:Which phone? (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290586)

Actually, as a user I don't find any restrictions on the X10 that aren't there on any other handset. I was pretty careful about checking that up, since I'm no fan of Sony either. There's a few DRM-laden music-buying apps added by default, but those are add-ons, not replacements, and they're not tied into the OS. The normal music player and other applications doesn't seem to have any restrictions; the phone works just fine as a developer phone; it opens as a USB mass storage device on mu Ubuntu desktop and so on.

You can root the phone already with some extra hardware and I expect a normal procedure to become available at some point. My only real concern about a third-party ROM is that phones here in Japan are SIM-locked, and I don't know if I'd be able to actually use the phone on the DoCoMo network anymore if I root it and load a different OS image.

Re:Which phone? (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290604)

sorry, just to clarify I mean restrictions on the os that make it harder to install custom roms. just going of modaco's findings.

Re:Which phone? (1)

mcvos (645701) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290684)

It's amazing to see how some Android hardware manufacturers are doing extra work on software to reduce the value of their products. And why? Is there seriously any way they think they can lock is into their ecosystem? They don't control the Android marketplace, so what the hell is the point of doing extra work to cripple their product?

Make it as open as possible, give me root access, allow me to mess with everything I want to mess with, and then charge me $50 extra for it. $100 even. Market it as the ultimate open Android phone, and I'll pay. And that's pure profit they could have gotten out of me.

Re:Which phone? (1)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290222)

Of course, no other maker has announced their upgrade schedule either. YMMV.

IIRC, Google has said June for the Nexus One

Re:Which phone? (2, Informative)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290190)

Strictly speaking AMOLED...is TFT; "TFT LCD" in the latter case would be more precise. ;)

People forget that such choice is (or was...(*)) mostly about answering the question "do I want a screan looking great inside but weak in sunlight (OLED) or do I want a high chance of a screen which is merely good inside and...good in sunlight? (if that's transfelctive LCD)".

(*) Admittedly, in recent times various types of touchscreens, often put on top, and neglecting transflective LCDs make it [allaboutsymbian.com] even more murky [allaboutsymbian.com]

Wifi tethering (4, Interesting)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290018)

I wonder what will be the effects of millions of people carrying wifi hotspots.

If I put my happy optimistic hat, I can imagine a next generation that forgets about ownership of connection and creates a giant web of constant wifi access to the web.

A world where every little gadget can access the web as you approach, by using your phone.

Re:Wifi tethering (4, Interesting)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290198)

It's already happening, check out OLSR being ported to the android [funkfeuer.at] . With this your android can connect to an OLSR mesh network.

Re:Wifi tethering (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290270)

I wonder what will be the effects of millions of people carrying wifi hotspots.

It will make location services relying on nearby hotspots instead of GPS and/or cell towers to become much more interesting at least.

Re:Wifi tethering (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290286)

W8, what? How will the domination (as far as numbers go) of constantly moving WiFi hotspots help that?

Re:Wifi tethering (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290348)

"much more ... interesting" ;)

Re:Wifi tethering (1)

mcvos (645701) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290740)

That might be why he said "interesting", rather than "useful".

Re:Wifi tethering (2, Insightful)

adolf (21054) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290280)

I have real, functional Wifi tethering on my 2.1 Droid, complete with basic or absolute access control, notification of new connections, et cetera. It works well.

Even though I have all access control and encryption disabled, so that anyone within earshot could use it freely, I leave it turned off unless I'm using it myself. This, despite the fact that I also carry an iPod Touch (which certainly benefits from having an always-on connection), and could easily lock the connection down to just the iPod and my laptop if I chose to do so.

Why? The answer is very practical: I don't care if anyone benefits from using my bandwidth, but as long as it impacts my battery life, I'm not game. Not even for myself.

That said, there's technical reasons why your idea won't work. A sea of miscellaneous open APs, moving about in cars and sidewalks (while you might also be doing the same) sounds like a good idea, until you realize that hopping from one to another kills any existing TCP connections, trashes any UDP sessions, and would be generally unreliable.

I currently pay $30 per month for unlimited data on my phone. And even in a world of free, cellular-backed mobile access points: I'd be very happy to continue paying that every month, just so I don't have to fuck with restarting connections (or wait while software takes care of it for me) every few dozen feet.

We'd need some new protocols, or better-tailored support from existing ones, before your idea would become useful for the sorts of things that people actually use this stuff for.

Re:Wifi tethering (0)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290376)

That said, there's technical reasons why your idea won't work. A sea of miscellaneous open APs, moving about in cars and sidewalks (while you might also be doing the same) sounds like a good idea, until you realize that hopping from one to another kills any existing TCP connections, trashes any UDP sessions, and would be generally unreliable.

However, just imagine a machine you fing on any public space. A fuel dispenser (however you call those), an ATM, your car, anything.

You get to it, press connect, see the many available hotspots, ordered by signal strength, so the one you carry on is probably the first. Select it. The machine connects through you. The information about the use you make of the machine can be used by your apps.

The weekend you can sit on your PC and generate graphs about your fuel consumption, the total composition of what you ate, how much exercise you've done, how much time you could have saved by using an alternative route to work...

I can't think of really groundbraking uses, but I see the potential.

Re:Wifi tethering (1)

unholy1 (764019) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290324)

Only when the carriers stop charging extortionate costs for data access.

Re:Wifi tethering (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290760)

> I can imagine a next generation that forgets about ownership of connection

I think they'll get a little reminder when the pigs kick their front door in at 4am, looking for the pervert/terrorist/criminal who downloaded kiddy porn/bomb making info/movies.

Put your tinfoil hat on (5, Interesting)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290028)

Have we audited the Android code enough to know that it's not phoning the mothership sending god-knows-what? Do we know there is no other "oops we didn't mean to"? It's one thing to have gov't spooks snooping on you, wholly another to have a private corporation piling dossier on you.

Paranoid? Pretty damn well justified when we are talking about Google, I say. Ask them about their data collection policy.

Re:Put your tinfoil hat on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290184)

Have you audited the code of every other os you run? Oh what's that you say? You can't even audit the code, because you don't have it? Too bad.

Re:Put your tinfoil hat on (1, Informative)

w0mprat (1317953) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290342)

You deserve mod points if I had them because you touch on an important issue that just doesn't seem to be discussed publicly. Is the scrutiny of open source submissions good enough? How are sources gauged for trustworthiness? It's always bothered me how much security is assumed in the million eyes principal.

Sure Android is open source, but Google's default applications are closed source. In fact developers of after market mods have gotten into trouble for including apps such as Google Maps, Gtalk etc. http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/09/29/1510232/Android-Modder-Tries-To-Outmaneuver-Google?from=rss [slashdot.org] Even if the OSS portion of the OS is clean, who knows what these collect and send back to Google?

Tighten your tinfoil hats or even consider another layer of foil. You can indeed have perfectly innocent-looking code that even does what it appears to be coded for, but can indeed to do something malicious. http://underhanded.xcott.com/ [xcott.com] (I think they should award extra points for getting your code approved for the iPhone/iPad App store and a instant first place win for getting your code into a open project)

I have to wonder if this technique has been used to get a back door into a OSS application at any point. We wouldn't necessarily know about it. When found, often the code could appear to be just a mistake or common vulnerability, having perhaps been made to look that way and someone will fix it there and then. It's not implausible that vulnerabilities have been intentionally injected into open projects.

Re:Put your tinfoil hat on (2, Informative)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290352)

Have we audited the Android code enough to know that it's not phoning the mothership sending god-knows-what?

I'd say so. I pretty much know what my Android phone is sending back by casual observation, my contacts are synced with Gmail, it asks if I want to participate in X program (no) or send my location to google (no).

But hey, if you don't believe me do an audit yourself [android.com] . The thing about secret plots is that the more people you involve in them the harder they are to keep secret.

No love got the G1 (1)

LBt1st (709520) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290038)

I'm still waiting for 2.0 for my G1. Why should I care about 2.2?

Yes I know I can root my phone and shoehorn a modded OS on there. I really don't want to hear about your 1337 hax. I want a supported update.

Re:No love got the G1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290138)

This is why you're not supposed to buy the first one they throw at you.

This is like getting mad because your first ipod could only hold 5GB and not play video.

Re:No love got the G1 (1)

Tapewolf (1639955) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290176)

I dunno about the GP, but I haven't yet seen a suitable replacement for it.
AFAIK the G1 is still the only device with a 5-row keyboard. The devices made immediately after it didn't have a keyboard at all and besides most of them are still stuck on 1.6 anyway AFAIK.

Re:No love got the G1 (1)

LBt1st (709520) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290194)

No I bought the G1 only a few months ago because (even now) it's the only phone with a nice big keyboard with the keys in a standard layout.
If I were to buy a phone today, I'd still buy the G1.

And unlike your iPod analogy (which lacks any cars), the G1 should be able to run the new versions. Third party OS's pretty much prove this.

Other then promoting newer phones I see no reason they can't release an update for the G1.
I'm not going to buy a new phone with an inferior UI.

Re:No love got the G1 (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290384)

No I bought the G1 only a few months ago because (even now) it's the only phone with a nice big keyboard with the keys in a standard layout. If I were to buy a phone today, I'd still buy the G1.

I had a Dream (G1 in the states) for a year, absolutely loved it but it was really underpowered for Android. I've just upgraded to the Milestone (Droid in the states) and I like Android 2.1 (2.2 by July sometime I hope). The keyboard on the Dream is by far and above the best keyboard on a mobile device without question but you bought a gen 1 device, despite the Dream being incredibly polished it's still first generation device and has significant drawbacks associated with that. I think your expectations are a bit unrealistic seeing as 2.0 has some hefty HW requirements.

There's always CyanogenMod 5, unlike HTC he does not have to guarantee that it will work 99.9999% of the time.

Re:No love got the G1 (1)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290260)

Cyanogen has a release of 2.1 for the Dream(G1) and Magic(myTouch 3G). It is currently at version 5.0.7-Test6.
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?/topic/2688-cyanogenmod-5-for-dreammagic-would-you-like-a-pony-v507-test6-05202010/

Exactly. Cyanogenmod is your salvation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290368)

I have Android Eclair (2.1) running fine on my G1 thanks to Cyanogen.

test 6 seems to be working fine. Although if you install it, there's a patch [bit.ly] from Cyanogen to fix an echo audio bug.

Re:No love got the G1 (2, Informative)

w0mprat (1317953) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290360)

I'm still waiting for 2.0 for my G1. Why should I care about 2.2?

Yes I know I can root my phone and shoehorn a modded OS on there. I really don't want to hear about your 1337 hax. I want a supported update.

I won't badger you about aftermarket ROMs and how awesome I think they are (because I do), but I will say some major mods are actually well supported with frequent updates. Carefully done , you can back up your stock rom, test drive the aftermarket ROM and if need be roll back to the stock software. I also understand that re-flashing the official firmware is sufficient to retain your warranty should you need to make a claim.

Which devices? (1)

Tapewolf (1639955) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290054)

I don't suppose it will be made available for the G1...

Re:Which devices? (1)

slack_prad (942084) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290106)

don't think G1 is powerful enough to run the stock 2.2 (or anything above 2.0). 2.x and > have 3d elements built into the OS which the G1 simply is not capable of running (app list, Gallery)

They'd have to make a different 2.2 just for G1 with all that removed ..

I think cyanogen [cyanogenmod.com] has made a 2.x port to G1. He may do a 2.2 port too.

Re:Which devices? (1)

Tapewolf (1639955) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290164)

I didn't know it required 3D acceleration. The main problem with the G1 is the limited amount of flash memory in the device.
I'm sure I read somewhere that 2.2 had been made more modular, with most of the google apps stuffed into a different package to reduce the overall footprint. But yes, one of these days I'll bite the bullet and give the Cyanogen system a go.

Nope, no Froyo for the G1 (3, Informative)

Namarrgon (105036) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290462)

There's just not enough room [gizmodo.com] in the flash rom. Sorry.

TFA!!!!! (5, Funny)

adolf (21054) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290078)

First, I read the comments. There were three. I modded them all up, because they all seemed useful within the confines of Slashdot's moderation parameters. I frequently have mod points, apparently because people think my moderation is fair. However, by posting this (I refuse to jump through hoops to post as AC), those moderations were undone. Sorry.

The reason is simple: After moderating, I read TFA. Therein, I see that about every third sentence ends with an exclamation point! This artificial excitement really annoying!

For instance:

With Android 2.2, the Chrome web browser will have full Adobe Flash Player 10.1 support to allow you to view flash-based websites, play flash games, and more! This is something that not even the iPhone is capable of doing!

See what I mean! It's a very loud article!

It's like there aren't any there any others [google.com] to pick from!

That said, I might be qualified to be an Android fanboi! For instance, today at work, I used my phone to help me align and plumb two antenna systems! The day before that, it helped me cook a stew! And on Monday of this week, it even walked my dog!

But this quantity of exclamatory remarks is unsettling! Please, timothy, given your lineage here, I expect better editing!

Sincerely!

adolf!

Re:TFA!!!!! (2, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290262)

Second time this week I've wanted to post a sound instead of plain words.

Metal Gear's ' ! ' sound.

ma8e (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290104)

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Froyo is flawed by Flash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290152)

*NM*

Isn't Android supposed to be "open source" ? (3, Interesting)

Qubit (100461) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290202)

Okay, sure, Google cuts some deal with Adobe to suck up the Adobe Flash Player code and bake it into builds of Chrome. Or Chromium (whichever one is their proprietary version of the browser).

But why would they describe that support as existing in Android? I thought that Android was Google's FOSS-licensed, linux-kernel-based OS.

When Google, HTC, and other people release a phone running Android, they invariably pile all kinds of proprietary stuff on top. Other options would be nice, but they don't seem too interested in that.

Maybe it's just this particular news site being imprecise, but I'm concerned that Google is trying to peg Flash support via this browser to all Android phones. I mean, it's great for people who want to run the software, but it's shifting Android away from a FOSS project to Yet Another Proprietary Stack.

C'mon Google, you're chock full of smart engineers who want an open web, so please make sure that Android stays an open stack.

Re:Isn't Android supposed to be "open source" ? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290330)

They are adding VP8 for HTML5 video support and are adding flash for the HTML4 Flash animation web.

Re:Isn't Android supposed to be "open source" ? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290400)

I am not sure your criticism is fair here. I got FroYo access today and Flash installs like any other 3rd part app, it is not built-in. It would be like saying that allowing Opera to run on Android would be allowing 'Yet Another Proprietary Stack' (Opera is closed source also).

Re:Isn't Android supposed to be "open source" ? (5, Informative)

D H NG (779318) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290450)

FYI, Flash support won't be built into Froyo. You download the Flash plug-in from the Marketplace as you would any other app.

A speed boost for Android? Before the next iPhone? (5, Funny)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290432)

I guess you could say that the new compiler arrived... just in time?

Re:A speed boost for Android? Before the next iPho (1)

Tukz (664339) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290488)

YEAAAAAAAAAAH!

First things first (3, Insightful)

robinvanleeuwen (1009809) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290464)

Well great,

the new android is almost on the shelves, but nowhere i read if they are gonna support setting
a proxy for WiFi. Up until now you are unable to make use of a proxy. As far as i can tell this feature
was there in 1.x (with or without the use of 3th-party apps) , but in 2.x it is not possible to set a proxy for
WiFi.

Despite the 344-and-growing comments on http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1273 [google.com] ,
in which the feature was first reported missing on Nov. 12 2008 (Two thousand and eight!!!, we're in 2010 now)
They have failed to respond or shed some light on this. And looking at:

Status: New
Owner: ----
Type-Enhancement
Priority-Medium
Component-Device
Subcomponent-Wifi

It doens't give me a lot of convidence that they are really looking into it.

Don't get me wrong, WiFi thetering is great and all but compared to making use of a proxy for WiFi,
if you are dependend on a (corporate) proxy due to missing signal from your provider, slow connections
(3G or even G),are at the whim of corporate policy or you have to pay extra for data per mb to you provider,
it's pretty insignificant to have WiFi thetering if you are unable to use the internet on droid at all...

So my 2ct's are first things first, you can't not support proxy for WiFi and push your OS as someting that
can be used in an corporate enviroment...

100K Android activations per day (1)

postmortem (906676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290504)

"Today at its I/O Developer event Google revealed that it is now up to an incredible 100,000 Android activations worldwide per day."

source:
http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Unveils+Killer+Android+22+OS+Update+100K+Android+Phones+Sold+a+Day/article18444.htm [dailytech.com]

After Flash support comes out, buzz will be among the masses that your Android phone does everything that PC does plus much more.

Imagine watching Hulu on your phone, anywhere.

Official dev blog link (5, Informative)

trawg (308495) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290534)

The official Android developers blog post [blogspot.com] is probably more interesting than blogspam

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