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London's Mayor Promises London-Wide Wireless For 2012 Olympics

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the sounds-like-a-commie-from-here dept.

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Pax681 writes "[London Mayor] Boris Johnson declared that London will have all bus stops and lamp posts Wi-Fi enabled by 2012 for the Olympics. In an article on Tech Eye, Boris waxes lyrical (or as lyrical as he can get) about how it would be done at a Google Zeitgeist event in Hertfordshire. These would be public Wi-Fi hotpots; as such, would these break the new law on open access points? Would they be just the thing for people to use to infringe with impunity and anonymously bypass the chances of running foul of the Digital Economy Act?"

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130 comments

Cash prize of £500 (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290908)

For whoever can download the Al Queda Operators Manual while at the table next to the Mayor.

You may also get a congratulatory beating.

Re:Cash prize of £500 (1)

danny_lehman (1691870) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291344)

if Dr.Who has taught us anything, it's that wireless transmissions are in fact aliens made of pink lightning that suck your faces off through the television.
It's clear that this technology is Years beyond our current understanding of science, :. there must be an alien creature manipulating the timeline!

Re:Cash prize of £500 (4, Funny)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291408)

". there must be an alien creature manipulating the timeline!"

Have you SEEN Boris Johnson?

Re:Cash prize of £500 (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291544)

Have you SEEN Boris Johnson?

Nah..Boris is human through and through.. His hair on the other hand....

Re:Cash prize of £500 (1)

eosp (885380) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292034)

I am Boris Johnson...and I am HUNGRY! HUNGRY!

Re:Cash prize of £500 (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292876)

Maybe they're hoping the terrorists will be stupid enough to use it to plan the attack.

Someone needs to (2, Interesting)

OrwellianLurker (1739950) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290920)

Someone needs to pirate the Olympics on this wireless.

Has Boris thought.... (4, Informative)

bothemeson (1416261) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290932)

how many lamp-posts there are in London? He's a well-meaning right-wing buffoon.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (2, Insightful)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290974)

He's neither a buffoon nor particularly well meaning.

Doesn't stop him being vaguely likable..

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

MancunianMaskMan (701642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291530)

he is a buffoon but he is not well-meaning.

rather, he is well mean!

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | more than 4 years ago | (#32293398)

I agree hes not an idot (he puts on act to atract totty) - and he did introduce the London Living Wage which is more than Labor did

Re:Has Boris thought.... (5, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291044)

So that's 1 WAP and 3 CCD cameras on every lamp-post in London, then?

MOD PARENT INSIGHTFUL (-1, Offtopic)

mcsynk (896173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291086)

mod parent insightful

Re:MOD PARENT INSIGHTFUL (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291302)

Nah, parent was just being a smartass; not that I'm wrong, mind you.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (4, Funny)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291098)

Cool, so I take it that pretty soon one can do Video VOIP conference calls around a lamp post...

Re:Has Boris thought.... (4, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291164)

Mobile phone manufacturers are worried.

In the near future, to make a call in London you'll only need to say, in clear voice:

"I WISH TO CALL MY FRIEND MIKE"

And the nearest lamppost will set the call.

At first it will be a bit strange to speak to a lamppost and hear it reply in your friend's voice.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (4, Funny)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291424)

"At first it will be a bit strange to speak to a lamppost and hear it reply in your friend's voice."

You clearly have not seen the drunks in Middlesbrough Town Centre on a Fri..well..Fri-Thurs night - they sure as hell try.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (4, Funny)

joss (1346) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291430)

> At first it will be a bit strange to speak to a lamppost and hear it reply in your friend's voice.

I've been doing it for years. It's one of the wonders of ciderspace.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291486)

Hmmm... loudspeakers are in place, mics are gonna be placed around town probably soon... the technology is in, we could as well use it for the people instead of against them for a change.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291494)

That's one way to keep people from using the wireless for lewd things. London will be able to associate a face with every packet sent.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32293694)

No, here comes the genius part. They can uninstall all those cameras now. They'll just use people's laptop cams. Bonus: they can watch cute schoolboys getting high on Mike & Ikes in extreme closeup.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (3, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291090)

Laws don't apply to government. "No open access hotspots" unless of course a politician does it.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (3, Insightful)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291398)

The obvious answer is that the hotspots will be declared legal but anyone who uses them will be branded criminals, in that way Boris gets to keep his promise, the copyright holders get their own way and everyone's happy. Well, everyone apart from the public, but they don't really matter since they're just a machine for generating cash.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291466)

So the good news is that everyone has wireless. The bad news is that the only thing on the internet is sporting events and reruns of Bleak House.

Unless you buy the premium package.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

Apatharch (796324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292604)

For those who didn't read the article (i.e. most Slashdotters), the phrase "This will most likely require some sort of payment..." seems to imply some form of access control and thus user tracking, so it wouldn't run afoul of the DE bill anyway.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

andywebs (701336) | more than 4 years ago | (#32293348)

Or just widely publicize that all the passwords are London.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291092)

Has Boris thought....

Doesn't seem likely.

He also promised to get rid of Bendy Buses, improve rail and cycle services at no cost to the taxpayer (lolwut?) and (most likely) something about a badger in every pot.

I think we all know that he's an entertainer, not an executive, and was voted for on that basis.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291128)

The Bendy Bus replacement: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8685486.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Re:Has Boris thought.... (2, Informative)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291260)

Ye have only had those articulated "bendy" buses 8 years. Seems like a huge waste of money to just dump them. According to wikipedia: "Research by London TravelWatch has indicated that such a withdrawal could prove costly to TfL. A study conducted in September 2008 found that replacing articulated vehicles on routes 38, 507, and 521, whilst maintaining overall route capacity, would cost an additional £12.6 million per annum."

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

LizardKing (5245) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291508)

Many of the bendy buses on the 521 route have gone already, replaced by ordinary single deckers. The extra capacity of the 521 wasn't much used on that route anyway.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291194)

At least the badger has now gone from Downing St...

Re:Has Boris thought.... (4, Funny)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291200)

He also promised to get rid of Bendy Buses, improve rail and cycle services at no cost to the taxpayer (lolwut?) and (most likely) something about a badger in every pot.

Not being English, I read the above and guessed that a "bendy bus" was some sort of English desert. I was disappointed to learn that it has nothing in common with spotted dick, trifle, brakewell tart, or even a roly-poly, but rather it's just a frigging bus. Or more specifically, an articulated bus [wikipedia.org] .

The badger reference I'm still working on.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (2, Funny)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291396)

It's bakewell tart. Don't make Mr. Kipling angry.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (2, Insightful)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291492)

A bendy bus is something you find in in places like France, where the roads are much wider and can cope with them. In England they might work in places like Milton Keynes or Swindon, but not London.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291538)

You might think that, but there's a lot of 'em driving around Bath.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292608)

They've just finished moving all of the roads in the centre of Swansea to accommodate the bendy busses. I've no idea who thought this was a good idea; it's quite rare for me to see one more than half full, and the old double-decker busses seemed to have the same capacity and not require the roads to be moved...

Re:Has Boris thought.... (4, Informative)

gazbo (517111) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291242)

Had I lived in London I would have voted for him solely for his appearances on Have I Got News For You. And I am not in any way ashamed of this fact.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (4, Funny)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291404)

Ditto - in fact, having seen time and again what a mess "serious" politicians have made of running things, I think from now on we should all vote based on the candidate's comedic value. The country will still be screwed, but at least we'll get some laughs.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

d34dluk3 (1659991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32294022)

On this note, Colbert for President in 2012!

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291512)

In other words, the giant douche was more visually appealing than the turd sandwich?

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

dkf (304284) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291870)

In other words, the giant douche was more visually appealing than the turd sandwich?

Well, at least he wasn't a tub of lard [youtube.com] .

Re:Has Boris thought.... (2, Informative)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291500)

Help me here, please, what's wrong with the busses? I've been to London twice, and so far I can't say that I found anything wrong with their public transport. Well, aside of the price tag.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291550)

They were brought in by Labour, so are automatically evil in the eyes of Boris and his paymasters.

They also annoy drivers of Chelsea Tractors (SUVs) because they are physically large articulated busses that require plenty of room and considerate driving from other motorists.

I thought they were pretty good - a huge improvement on the routemaster for space and access, and they were comfortable and quiet to ride.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291598)

I was under the same impression. We have them too in my country, and nobody really complains about that. Granted, we also don't drive SUVs and our people treasure their cars enough that they keep their distance from our (quite reckless) bus drivers.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291948)

Ah your forgetting it's an English class thing. If your so poor you have to take a bus you shouldnt be allowed in Chelsea.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

N1EY (817702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292170)

I think that only Irish bus drivers are worse than British Bus Drivers. They give no quarter to bicyclists. Bicyclists can not also pass those long buses when they are stopped. In general they are just too long. I am not one of those daring cyclists. Top Gear even tried to demonstrate that articulated buses are dynamicly unstable through turns at moderate speeds. ;)

Re:Has Boris thought.... (5, Funny)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291746)

Help me here, please, what's wrong with the busses?

They don't fit in the streets very well. They are unreliable, spending roughly a quarter of their life in the workshop - assuming they haven't gone on fire. On a long, straight bit of road (not many of them on a typical London bus route) they return a stunning 3mpg! Thanks to their antiquated engine designs, they burn slightly less fuel and emit only slightly more unpleasant fumes when they're on fire than when they're on the road. The only way to get them above 1.5mpg on a normal route is to tow them with a recovery truck.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (4, Informative)

locofungus (179280) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292404)

Nothing wrong with London's public transport. The problem is very large vehicles in London (centre). The roads are generally too narrow, too bendy and have too many junctions for very long vehicles.

Many junctions have had their stop lines moved right back (20-30m from the junction) to allow the buses to turn into them. It's all too common for a car driver to be unable to see the point of stopping so far back so they stop a cars length or two in front of the line. Then one of these buses comes around the corner and everybody is stuck. (over the years this has got to be a lesser and lesser problem as more and more car drivers have directly experienced the problems it causes but it's never gone away completely)

Or when the buses are going along a main road with two lanes they should wait until their exit is clear before entering a box junction (yellow hatched area where you are not allowed to enter unless your exit is clear and are not allowed to stop on unless you are turning right and are prevented from oncoming traffic). But cars in the other lane will "overtake" the bus and then pull across into the buses lane meaning that the 18m gap that the bus needs in front of it never happens. So the buses just block the junctions. (and pedestrian crossing are blocked even more often - it's not at all uncommon for once of these buses to end up slap bang across a pedestrian crossing for the entire green man phase - which tends to be fairly short anyway even when you've got a direct route across the road)

These buses have a surprisingly brisk acceleration - and there is a significant proportion of bus drivers who will just pull away when there is a car or cyclist overtaking. Typically for a car it's not too much problem but many cyclists cannot then get past them but end up stranded in the middle of the road with a bus that is now going slightly faster than they are but has 15m of vehicle behind them preventing them from getting back in.

For the people who use them, these buses are very good. But, unfortunately, they do not work well on the road infrastructure in central London.

Tim.

He is a buffoon, who makes a million pounds (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291228)

Everyone in England thinks he is a buffoon, who still somehow manages to earn a very high salary indeed as an editor, get his government pay and somehow won the election for Major from Ken Livingston (who himself was an outsider, a left wing socialist who ran against his own party candidate when right wing "labour" Tony Blair was still somewhat popular).

Search for "boris hignfy" on youtube, seriously funny stuff. The guy gets away with gaffs that people have torn Bush and Blair apart for. NO journalist even dares to jump on any slight mis pronunciation or botched fact Boris makes. It is BRILLIANT. He has given himself a license to say what he wants to say and not have to worry about weighing every word on a silver platter. Nobody will ruin his career because he "claimed to have invented the internet" or he mixed up the date the US declared independence.

Watch his appearances on the show and then realize he makes more money then you ever will.

Re:He is a buffoon, who makes a million pounds (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291406)

he mixed up the date the US declared independence.

I dunno, but to us Euros the date of American independence is not as important as for the US. Europe lost many colonies including Guinea-Boisseau.
We cannot keep track of every single colony running away...

Re:He is a buffoon, who makes a million pounds (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291524)

It seems to be a trend that we vote people into public offices that appear dumb or inept. Maybe the train of though is "he's just as much a douche as the other guy, but we might at least get a good laugh out of him once in a while".

Re:He is a buffoon, who makes a million pounds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291582)

Speak for yourself, I was born, and am living in England and I don't think he's a buffoon. Please do your research properly next time!

Re:Has Boris thought.... (2, Interesting)

__Reason__ (181288) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291294)

how many lamp-posts there are in London?

There's approximately 20,500 bus stops in Greater London - I have a database (NaPTAN) of them. I'd estimate there's as least 50 lamp posts for every bus stop. So, thats over 1,000,000 WiFI access points to be rolled out by 2012! Wow!

Re:Has Boris thought.... (4, Funny)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291426)

You're not thinking like a politician. Why fit WiFi to 1,000,000 lamp posts when you can initiate a "take back the night skies" policy, reduce the number of lamp posts tenfold and easily keep your WiFi promise into the bargain.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291444)

...about using a real subject next time, rather than a sentence fragment?

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

ultranova (717540) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291462)

He's a well-meaning right-wing buffoon.

A right-wing buffoon wouldn't be providing public wi-fi, he'd be building them with public money and then giving them to private enterprise to charge the public to access what they already paid for. He's a left-wing buffoon.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292778)

I don't think political ideology really meshes well with Boris world view. His policies seem to come from seeming like a good idea at the time. The only party that he really belongs in is the one with copious quantities of champagne.

Re:Has Boris thought.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32293604)

Public doesn't imply free; given his affiliations, it's quite likely that it will be paid for with public money, then leased out to his pals as a low rate to charge the public for using. But it's available to the public, and therefore counts...

Not all officials are bad (2, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290954)

So, one branch of the government (central) is a bunch of nazi control freaks, and another (local) is reasonable?

But too bad, it's the central one who gets to issue laws, and sadly, in this case it looks like the local initiative will be ruled illegal.

Re:Not all officials are bad (2, Insightful)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291012)

to be fair, the nazi control freak central government was kicked out at the election we had a fortnight ago. Give the new ones a chance - they'll have their faults for sure, but they won't be quite as control freak as the last lot. More nazi, perhaps.

Re:Not all officials are bad (4, Informative)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291152)

>>>Give the new ones a chance - they'll have their faults for sure, but they won't be quite as control freak as the last lot.

That's what we said over here in the American Union, and yet the "new lot" happily renewed the Patriot Act rather than let it expire, and they just passed legislation to start collecting DNA

Re:Not all officials are bad (4, Informative)

jecblackpepper (1160029) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291270)

At least the new lot in UK have explicitly said that they are going to repeal some of the civil liberty infringing laws, including ensuring the removal of innocent people's DNA from the DNA database. Of course they've only be in power a couple of weeks haven't even yet placed their programme for government before parliament, but I'm at least hopeful that they will do some (all) of the things they've promised on civil liberties.

Re:Not all officials are bad (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291474)

That burns because you elected a liberal who is behaving like a Nazi. We elected the Conservatives (plus their little helpers) so we expect them to behave like Nazis and so aren't as shocked and upset by it.

Re:Not all officials are bad (0, Troll)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291934)

Why do people keep called the National Socialist German Workers Party (Natzis) conservatives? They were best buds with the 1920s Communists, who were leftists. The Nazis did eventually have a "family squabble" with the communists, but they were still leftists (supported strong central government) (and centralized markets).

Re:Not all officials are bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32293814)

"in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism [wikipedia.org]

Seriously, do you know anything at all or just post whatever shit you think of at the time? 99% of your posts are wrong, the other 1% are such utter drivel that they're neither right nor wrong since they're incomprehensible.

Next time, before you let loose your trail of turds on the internet, read up just the tiniest fraction about what you're trying to talk about. That way you won't appear to be such a raging wankmoster of shit.

Re:Not all officials are bad (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292796)

Except that, so far, the Conservatives have been sounding quite reasonable. Before the election, every time Cameron opened his mouth I respected him slightly less. Since the election, he keeps saying things I agree with. It's unnerving.

Poppycock! (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290964)

What a load of Wiff-Waff! [youtube.com]

How long will Digital Britain last? (5, Interesting)

Landak (798221) | more than 4 years ago | (#32290980)

To the joy of nerds everywhere in the UK, it seems like the Digital Britain bill might not last very long with the current Government [telegraph.co.uk] .

Whether or not Cameron and the conservatives can splinter away from Murdoch enough to let this happen remains to be seen, but I am currently naive enough to be genuinely optimistic about the results of having liberals in power for the first time in over a century.

Re:How long will Digital Britain last? (-1, Flamebait)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291066)

I am currently naive enough to be genuinely optimistic about the results of having liberals in power for the first time in over a century.

That's right. Be optimistic.

You'll see. In no time you'll have wifi everywhere, non-homicidal police, free beer, and people tanning naked in the sunny parks.

Yes, you guessed it. Liberals will move the island to a sunnier position. Shut up, you empty glass people.

Re:How long will Digital Britain last? (4, Funny)

mrrudge (1120279) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291326)

I'm currently sitting in a park in London, using free wifi. It's 25C and there are very nearly naked people tanning themselves all around.

If the alternative is your unsubstantiated pessimism then I'll probably stay here, thanks.

Re:How long will Digital Britain last? (2, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291528)

And why the heck is your webcam still not on and streaming live pics?

So very typical. Using what's provided for free but not giving back to the community.

Re:How long will Digital Britain last? (4, Funny)

Rocketship Underpant (804162) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292022)

The primary problem with naked people in Britain is that they're usually British people.

Re:How long will Digital Britain last? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32293370)

The primary problem with naked people in Britain is that they're usually British people.

It's the same problem in Italy, where the women are hotter.

Re:How long will Digital Britain last? (0)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291132)

Please note: anyone who seeks and obtains the power to tell others what to do is axiomatically not a liberal. While Clegg was off waffling about Freedom Acts and devolving power, Cameron was actually busy eviscerating the 1922 committee and centralising power to his cabal. Stalin in a cycle helmet.

Remember also that the real power in the land always was, and always will be, Sir Humphrey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO, MA (Oxon) [wikipedia.org] .

So while Clegg blubbers FREEEEEDOM for the 6 months their coallition will hang together, Cameron will get on with the real business of Government: manoeuvring Old Boys into long term positions of power.

Re:How long will Digital Britain last? (3, Interesting)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291136)

You don’t seem to know how politicians work:
1. Do a couple of speeches or something in front of whoever you want to take over.
2. “Promise” some things, anything, doesn’t matter if it’s even physically possible, let alone sensible, that those people really want.
3. Link whatever you (or rather your “shareholders”) want as a precondition to that promise.
4. Use the people to get that precondition trough in parliament.
5. Forget about the original “promise”.
6. Find a “scandal” (something those people really do not want) to get them to hate the opposition again, be distracted and forget about what you did.
7. Rinse, repeat.

Real professionals make up the things, that those people think they want, themselves. E.g. by inventing non-existing dangers with the use of their media outlets. This also makes it much easier to void the “promise”, since you don’t need to fix something that never existed in the first place. Your “promise” already was fulfilled from the start.

Re:How long will Digital Britain last? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32293250)

If that was true, no public works project in the last 100 year would ever have gotten done.

Here is a clue: It's a little more complex then you think.

Re:How long will Digital Britain last? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291902)

... the results of having liberals in power for the first time in over a century.

Depends what you mean by "in power". They were an uninfluential part of a ruling coalition in WWII.

Will you have to show an ID to get credentials? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32290998)

I thought open WiFi was illegal in the EU?

Re:Will you have to show an ID to get credentials? (2, Insightful)

tapanitarvainen (1155821) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291348)

I thought open WiFi was illegal in the EU?

Certainly not. There are several cities in EU with city-wide open WiFi, including Oulu in Finland (http://www.panoulu.net/ [panoulu.net] ).

Re:Will you have to show an ID to get credentials? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291574)

Not the EU per se, but there has been a verdict (IIRC /. reported it) in Germany [securecomputing.net.au] where a person was convicted because he didn't seal his AP and it was used for copyright infringment.

Wireless London - a step forward? (1)

ScaledLizard (1430209) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291000)

I agree that wires can be dangerous to your health when you stumble over them, but are they really ready to run all systems from battery and recharge using induction?

Sorry, couldn't refuse...

Re:Wireless London - a step forward? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291546)

Also in the news, after promising WiFi net access, he followed up promising WiFi power.

Asked how he wants to do it he replied "Huh? Why not? My advisor told me there's other computer thingamajigs that are powered via their network, why shouldn't that work with the WiFi ... computer stuff?"

Telstra Australia had a similar plan (1)

qwerty8ytrewq (1726472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291076)

I recall Telstra Australia coming up with a plan to put WIFI in all the old payphone booths, instead of junking them beacuse everyone was going to mobiles (but may now swing back, thaks to cancer concerns). I don't know if it took off or not. Any other readers know?

Re:Telstra Australia had a similar plan (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291178)

In Sweden many Telia (old Televerket= state monopoly) phonebooths had wifi installed. You need an account to use them, so while it's "public" it's not like anyone can use them at any time for free. I have the service included in my iPhone plan (at a cost of 0 SEK), but I've never bothered to connect to one.

Spy camera infrastructure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291082)

They have to build out the wireless network to feed back the images from the new security camera on every lamppost anyway..

Oyster card? (-1, Offtopic)

alanw (1822) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291100)

Perhaps the authorisation and charging will somehow be linked to your oyster [tfl.gov.uk] Card [wikipedia.org]

Great idea Boris (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291204)

Why not install the first ones around the Highbury and Kings Cross areas...

they're sure going out of their way (-1, Flamebait)

Reed Solomon (897367) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291236)

to appeal to ipad owners.

Berners-Lee invented the internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291296)

FTA "Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the internet, was a Londoner and “so we claim paternity of the internet”.

ugh...It's embarrassing to be a Londoner with a Mayor that spouts out this kind of inaccurate tripe. Besides, everyone knows Al Gore invented the internet.

Re:Berners-Lee invented the internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32291484)

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. "

Note, Al Gore never said he invented it. His actual claim, although badly phrased, was that he was instrumental in supporting the creation of the internet.

Monitoring use (2, Insightful)

dexmachina (1341273) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291456)

Would they be just the thing for people to use to infringe with impunity and anonymously bypass the chances of running foul of the Digital Economy Act?

Not necessarily... there are ways of having public WiFi without letting everyone use it anonymously. Singapore has pretty much full coverage, but to use the public hotspots you need to create an account, and your account has to be tied to a cell phone number (with a confirmation text that you have to respond to). Now I'm sure a clever person could find ways around the system, but it's still just another barrier. I wouldn't be suprised if London did something similar- from TFA:

Not only will this allow people walking the streets to access the wi-fi connections, but it will also allow local homes access too. This will most likely require some sort of payment, however, but may be significantly cheaper than current packages offered through internet service providers.

If it's going to be payment system, then there has to be some sort of personal account that people can create (and the ability to individually monitor people can then be spun as an added bonus).

Re:Monitoring use (1)

Winckle (870180) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291488)

Interesting idea with the mobile phone thing. Are there any measures in place to stop people using pre-paid burner phones?

Re:Monitoring use (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 4 years ago | (#32292522)

yes, buying them requires presenting your national id.

Every lamp post to be a hot spot (1)

bdwoolman (561635) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291514)

And every phone box to be a TARDIS.

See you in the future Borya.

Better idea (2, Funny)

ChromeAeonium (1026952) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291518)

Instead of investing money on this, they should have gotten better Olympic mascots. I mean, have you seen those weird assed things? What generic anime did they them out of? Wenlock and Mandeville, more like Angry and Creepy. They look like something you'd see pestering Scooby Doo.

borris for prime minister (1)

Pvt_Ryan (1102363) | more than 4 years ago | (#32291536)

hell i'd actually vote for him. he cant do worse than brown and he is crazy enough that i like him.

waxes lyrical? (1)

coofercat (719737) | more than 4 years ago | (#32293018)

Boris 'waxing lyrical' goes something like this:

Er, well, yes, you see it's about, oh she's locked me out, er, so yes, you see you can't, oh sorry I seem to have spilled, er, so as I was saying, yes, please could you pass me the, yes, it's all about how much, oh, this cloth is soaked, yes, it's about how much you can really, oh thank you, I'll just clean that up...

(etc).

In short, he's the ultimate politician: Talk lots, say nothing.

As for free wifi - well, one wonders how this is really going to work. When we say 'free', so we mean 'after obtrusive registration', or 'free when you buy xyz' or what? When I think of 'free wireless', I think of an open hotspot I just tune to and get on the Intarwebs immediately. I suspect this won't be quite as easy as that.

However, now I've been reminded open wifi is 'illegal', I'll go home and set one up immediately. I've even got a big aerial for maximum range and signal quality. I just need to work out QoS so I don't get flooded out of my own broadband connection.

Here is how to do it (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32293218)

1) Get your works people to design set up and instal wireless devices. Make it an access point with no hoops to jump through. Call it good.
Here is how NOT to do it:
Partner with smoen hoping to leverage it to make money through people connecting.

That is what royally screwed Portland wi-fi. They partenerd witha company that want to sell an addition tier of faster service, wanted you to jump through there website, and generally made it too hard for most people to get onto.

Thanks Matt Lamp for funking that up. It was good to see your ass going out the door.

Had Portland designed the infrastructure and then did it themselves Portland would have open access.

007 (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 4 years ago | (#32293626)

"Free" London Wifi eh?

I am sure there will be no spying or monitoring, and that all privacy will be maintained. They certainly won't use that connection to infiltrate your computer to search for illegal files such as movies and music!

Though if they play the bond music every time you connect it might be worth it. That shit makes everything more exciting...

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