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BFG Exiting Graphics Card Market

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-pixels dept.

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thsoundman writes news that BFG appears to be giving up on the graphics card side of its business. The company's chairman said in a statement: "After eight years of providing innovative, high-quality graphics cards to the market, we regret to say that this category is no longer profitable for us, although we will continue to evaluate it going forward. We will continue to provide our award-winning power supplies and gaming systems, and are working on a few new products as well. I'd like to stress that we will continue to provide RMA support for our current graphics card warranty holders, as well as for all of our other products such as power supplies, PCs, and notebooks."

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Oh well (0, Troll)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303178)

Oh well, shit happens.

Who the fuck is BFG?

Re:Oh well (0, Redundant)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303214)

hahaha, I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Re:Oh well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303254)

OK you lamers, since nobody here knows who BFG is I decided to look it up in the Wikipedia. Here is the result. It turns out that BFG is:

an American graphics card manufacturer

Re:Oh well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303296)

I think you're on the wrong page. On my computer, it says BFG is

a fictional futuristic weapon found in the video game series Doom ... a huge, solid metal gun that fires balls of green plasma.

Re:Oh well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303546)

also in Quake 1,2,3

Re:Oh well (0, Offtopic)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304156)

It's not in quake 1 at all.
Power stops at the rocket launcher there.

Re:Oh well (0, Offtopic)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304676)

The thunderbolt might count since it runs on energy cells but yeah, Q1's weapon selection was pretty weak.

Re:Oh well (2, Informative)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304408)

For those that don't know/never have owned a BFG the company's claim to fame was OC'd from the factory Nvidia chips. Unless they changed they were a pretty much Nvidia chip company exclusively, and you could have a little faster card from BFG than from anybody else.

Maybe they found that Fermi runs just too damned hot to OC at the factory? from everything I've read Fermi is a real power sucking Netburst P4 style space heater, so I can see how OCing them from the factory might not be a great idea.

I'm personally sad to see them go. Their cards usually carried lifetime warranties and being OC'd they would always score a little better than other manufacturers. I've had several cards of theirs over the years, from a MX4000 to a 7600GS, and all are still running day in, day out. Like Abit motherboards they were never the biggest or the best, but they did make good middle of the road hardware.

Re:Oh well (0, Offtopic)

dohzer (867770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303286)

I never knew them, but this Slashdot article is great advertising.
Maybe they should re-think leaving the market now that we all know who they are.

Re:Oh well (0, Offtopic)

masterwit (1800118) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303304)

Well the "Big Friendly Giant" of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_BFG [wikipedia.org]

Re:Oh well (0, Offtopic)

thoughtsatthemoment (1687848) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303404)

As a Quake gamer, I always thought it was Big Breaking Gun.

Re:Oh well (0, Offtopic)

thoughtsatthemoment (1687848) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303406)

Freaking

Re:Oh well (0)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303470)

Fucking

Re:Oh well (0, Redundant)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32305610)

Frakking

Re:Oh well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32304614)

Big Fucking Gun was in Doom.

Re:Oh well (0, Offtopic)

Alphathon (1634555) | more than 4 years ago | (#32305054)

The BFG 9000 is from Doom, the BFG 10K is from Quake 2 & 3

Re:Oh well (4, Informative)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303346)

BFG was one of many manufactures that made nVidia cards from their reference design. Often, they would improve on the design with a better HSF and higher quality RAM so the card could be overclocked out of the box.

Kinda sad to see them go. They've always provided good warranty support.

Re:Oh well (2, Informative)

toleraen (831634) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303374)

This. At least when I was more into computer building they were usually on/near the top of the benchmark charts. Their overclocked reference boards were/are fantastic, still running two of them after 5 years.

Re:Oh well (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303500)

That's kinda the problem, they WERE one of the best out there but their support degraded over time until they couldn't even legitimately be called lifetime warranties anymore.

Re:Oh well (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303582)

It took them 3 freaking tries to properly replace my bad gtx8800oc with a WORKING card (I bought when it was at peak price no less, I know, but I HAD to have it ans it WAS good while it worked) AND the third try took SIX FUCKING WEEKS.
I had to buy a gts 250 to replace the 8800 so I could use my computer for six weeks! (at least it was on sale)
.
To top it off when I finally opened up the replacement 8800 the sticker for the fan spindle had come lose and was INSIDE the plastic cover and rubbing loudly on the fan blades.
It was a pain in the ass to take apart to get it out and probably voided the "lifetime warranty", I half suspect that it was done purposely, it was pretty well stuck in place.

Needless to say it's my personal opinion that Their tech support has turned completely to shit and I will never buy or recommend ANY of their products ever again.

So, Ya serves em right.

Re:Oh well (2, Insightful)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303850)

"It took them 3 freaking tries to properly replace my bad gtx8800oc with a WORKING card"

Yea, you do realize that's nVidia's fault for having a faulty die packaging for their 8 and 9 series GPUs, right? Not BFG's problem nVidia had other higher-volume retailers they had to take care of first.

Re:Oh well (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32304262)

EVGA is a much better company to deal with in my experience. I had an EVGA 7600GT that blew several caps just beyond the one year warranty that was stated in the documentation for the card. When I called them, they informed me that I had a "1+1" warranty which automatically granted another year and without any further questions, they gave me an RMA number and told me to send the card back. Within a week they sent me a replacement, which happened to be a 8600GTS. Not only did they extend my warranty and make the return painless, they gave me a significantly better card as a replacement. Ever since then, I have been recommending their products to everyone I know.

Re:Oh well (2, Interesting)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303650)

Kinda sad to see them go. They've always provided good warranty support.

eVGA is pretty much killing off all the competition by being totally awesome.

They encourage overclocking, their warranties aren't voided by cooling mods, and their prices are competitive (or often better than) XFX and BFG's. For some reason, eVGA cards usually overclock better, too.

eVGA wants their customers to use their hardware, hard. They encourage folding, among other things. Their rank [extremeoverclocking.com] proves it.

I like the company. My last card was either going to be an eVGA GTS 250 ($140 at the time), BFG GTS 250 ($135 after MIR), or Asus GTS 250($90 after MIR). I went for the Asus one, which was actually a mistake. The GDDR3 overheated at stock speeds, and had to be underclocked 40%... until I modded the cooling ($15), and then I could overclock by nearly 20%. This pales in comparison to my last eVGA card (a 7900GS), which attained 70% overclocks on the core and memory.

Re:Oh well (2, Informative)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304444)

I have to echo this sentiment. My first great card was a BFG. And it served me well for a long time. My second card was an eVGA. The thing about the eVGA is that they gave me no hassle on my warranty when I had to use it. Both great cards and great companies.

The BFG is a bit overpriced, they sell through the B&Ms (best buy, etc), but a totally worthwhile card.

Re:Oh well (1, Insightful)

shadowrat (1069614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304554)

Could also be that the laptop market is killing the video card market. I don't get a choice beyond nvidia or ati when speccing out a laptop. I haven't bought a brand name video card in 8 years because all I've been getting are laptops.

Re:Oh well (2, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 4 years ago | (#32310914)

Close, but no cigar.

First, PCs and laptops serve different purposes each providing their own pros and cons. We're not talking about a laptop revolution here. The market ratio between the two as remained relatively stable with laptops edging out slightly higher. Even so, almost all laptop users don't need the fancy GPU anyways.

What's killing the video card market is on-board video. Laptops have almost always used on-board video, but PCs only recently withen industry. While they've always sucked for gaming and HD video playback, they're getting powerful enough to have least solved the video/flash playback performance problem. Now there is less of a need to upgrade. Given how supply and demand works, I can clearly see how this would effect vendors such as BFG and EVGA. Not many die-hard PC gamers left in the world. We are a dieing breed, and they know it.

Re:Oh well (1)

PendragonUK (1032174) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304348)

BFG was one of many manufactures that made nVidia cards from their reference design. Often, they would improve on the design with a better HSF and higher quality RAM so the card could be overclocked out of the box.

Kinda sad to see them go. They've always provided good warranty support.

I was very impressed with their warranty some years back. My 7900 went bad on my and much to my surprise they sent out an 8800 to replace it. That card served me well till it's replacement 6 months back for an ATI 5770. If nvidia was an option at the time I would have got it from BFG without a doubt. Just that at that point in time the ATI was a much better option.

Re:Oh well (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32305384)

I'm incredibly sad to see them go. BFG was one of the few vendors who produced low-power versions of cards (read: no need for a physical 6-pin power cable between PSU and card), cards with HSFs which were *quiet*, in addition to power circuitry that didn't emit high-pitch noises under load.

We're now left with after-market coolers which often void warranties if installed, shitty Zalman products that are excessive in size and don't even live up to their hype (now available on Gigabyte and Asus video cards as "stock"), and EVGA who continues to put out cards with known/confirmed bad RAM and suffer from aforementioned power circuitry design issues.

Intel's integrated GPU (e.g. their i5 661) is looking better already.

Re:Oh well (1)

SupremoMan (912191) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304590)

Who the fuck is BFG?

A shitty company that holds the record for selling me a GFX card that burned out the fastest ever. I think less than 8 months.

BFG Exiting Graphics Card Market? (3, Funny)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303188)

BFD

Re:BFG Exiting Graphics Card Market? (0)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303308)

BFD, or no BFG.

well i'll say it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303200)

fags!

Re:well i'll say it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303378)

lesbians!

Re:well i'll say it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32304276)

Libertarians!

Re:well i'll say it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32305206)

Librarians!

Re:well i'll say it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32305330)

Liberians.

Re:well i'll say it... (1)

TomHandy (578620) | more than 4 years ago | (#32307720)

Libertines!

Big Friendly Giant (3, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303226)

Why would the Big Friendly Giant be making graphics cards in the first place? One would think that his hands would be too big to assemble the highly miniaturized components. Also, it's a pretty cut-throat industry, his remarkable friendliness wouldn't be too profitable.

Re:Big Friendly Giant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303280)

Because they're scrumdiddlyuptious?

Re:Big Friendly Giant (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303318)

Insert joke about the BFG 9000 here.

Re:Big Friendly Giant (0, Offtopic)

Phantasmagoria (1595) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303352)

Damn you! I was about the write the VERY same comment. :-( But you beat me to it.

Re:Big Friendly Giant (1)

masterwit (1800118) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303394)

Damn, didn't notice you beat me to it when I made my comment earlier. Anyways, awesome... loved that book in 3rd grade.

Not Surprised (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303276)

BFG cards were often priced 20-50$ more than other video cards of the same model, but with a small boost in clock speeds, something that takes less than 5 minutes to setup yourself. It doesn't surprise me that they had a hard time selling them.

Re:Not Surprised (2, Informative)

toleraen (831634) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303390)

And in those 5 minutes you could completely void your warranty on your $350 video card, or spend the extra $20 and keep it.

Re:Not Surprised (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303804)

who cares about warrenty? unless the overclocker is an incompetent nincompoop, there is very little risk of loosing the card. spend 40 to 50$ or be just be smart and get the same performance as my friends? i'll keep the money, thnx.

so you can spend 250$ and i'll get the same performance for 200$, or u can spend 170$ and i'll get the same performance for 150$, i'd take the 150/200 card with no warrenty every time. why? well, 4 old OC'd warrenty-less (would be anyways by now) graphics cards all still running in old computers is why, each from a different generation, (3 nvidia, 1 ati)

Re:Not Surprised (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#32305604)

Is it ironic when someone that is nearly illiterate is chastising others for being "incompetent"?

Re:Not Surprised (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32306358)

Is it ironic when someone that is nearly illiterate is chastising others for being "incompetent"?

No, just predictable.

Re:Not Surprised (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#32306932)

Your sentence is broken, fix it.

Re:Not Surprised (4, Informative)

nabsltd (1313397) | more than 4 years ago | (#32305652)

And in those 5 minutes you could completely void your warranty on your $350 video card, or spend the extra $20 and keep it.

Since overclocking control (and sometimes even overvolting) is now built into the software drivers/control panel (with approved limits), you don't void your warranty by doing these sort of small overclocks.

If you re-program your BIOS or disable the overclock limit by using a third-party program, you might void your warranty. Since the chips have thermal shutdown built in, you really can't harm them by overclocking, so even some of that may be OK. Intel is an another example of a company that realized this and now offers overclocking of the CPU on Intel-brand motherboards.

Re:Not Surprised (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32306130)

Intel is an another example of a company that realized this and now offers overclocking of the CPU on Intel-brand motherboards.

And you didn't post a link?

Re:Not Surprised (4, Insightful)

Hamsterdan (815291) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303402)

The difference is the warranty still applies if it breaks. they are *guaranteed* to work at those speeds, often because of a beefier / better cooling and better ram as a previous poster said. I'm using one in one of my machines, and it still works, which can't be said for one of my Sapphires (running at stock speeds).

Any other card *might* be able to run at higher speeds, *might* being the magic word.

Re:Not Surprised (2, Informative)

lowlymarine (1172723) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303884)

At least when I bought all of my EVGA video cards, their lifetime warranty wasn't voided by overclocking, cooling mods, or even power surges. Pretty much the only way to break the card and not have the warranty cover it was to take a hammer to it. Not sure if it's still that way, but it was certainly damned impressive service at the time.

Re:Not Surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303526)

Lifetime warranty on a factory overclocked card. Seriously, that was a good thing and I loved it. I never had a lick of trouble from a BFG product (I've owned... I think 5 of their cards), and you always got what you paid for: a great card for a slight premium. Kinda sad to see them go, honestly.

BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is bad (3, Informative)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303298)

BFG products are the few to be found at stores like Best Buy and other chains you can hop in a car and drive to. This lack of marketplace presence only makes the GPU less and less relevant to the normal PC owner.

Re:BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is (1)

JimboFBX (1097277) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303314)

Yeah the graphics card I got from walmart that is in my wife's computer was BFG.

Maybe there's the profit problem right there

Re:BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303322)

Best Buy is mostly exiting the computer-geeks business to have more room for more profitable whole systems, laptops, and video games. Another electronics store near me has a table of 12 netbooks, all based on the same Atom processor... style choice, but no substance difference.

Re:BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303376)

More Profitable? In most stores such as that computers themselves have negative margin... yes they lose money on each PC.

The profit comes from selling that overpriced mouse and the $150 system optimization or the $75 install on that BFG video card.

Re:BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303476)

i have to post anonymously as i am (unfortunately) a GS employee, but yes.

to be fair, however, "optimization" is no longer a service we offer. but you're right- accessories is pretty much the only place money lies. well, and services. but only kind of, if you really know how much money the Geek Squad promise is costing the company on the bottom line through both employee incompetence (GS and sales floor alike).

i realize the prices you list are "jokes" but you exaggerate to the point of FUD. which is not to say we don't charge too much for a few of our services, but i dare you to try even a month of working for GS. i'm in a fairly computer literate city, but i kid you not when i say i've said "drag and drop" only to a genuinely confused stare and reply of "what do dragons have to do with this?" on more than one occasion. as much as i hate to say this as a very, very honest and reputable human being among tech folks, the lottery isn't the only stupidity tax.

Re:BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is (3, Funny)

GrumblyStuff (870046) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303878)

"what do dragons have to do with this?"

That's where you point out that you're using an install wizard.

Re:BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 4 years ago | (#32306374)

accessories is pretty much the only place money lies. well, and services

Nothing new there. I worked at Best Buy from '94 to '99, and the story was pretty much the same back then. The employee discount usually didn't save a huge amount on hardware (best I managed was $40 or so off of a $450 laser printer; it was usually a good bit less effective), but I could buy a $30 printer cable for maybe $3.

Re:BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is (2, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304748)

Installing new hardware isn't relevant to the normal PC owner. Geeks buy online and don't need brick-and-mortar stores.

It would appear that BFG cards sucked, hence lack of geek support.

Re:BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 4 years ago | (#32305786)

you'd be surprised. Years ago when the sims 2 system requirements came out, teenagers the world over were flooding the forums trying to figure out how to ask their parents for a graphics card, which one they needed and how to install it. Since it was the best selling PC game at the time, I'd say that is a fairly significant part of the market.

Re:BFG products fit a niche, and their absence is (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 4 years ago | (#32306070)


It would appear that BFG cards sucked, hence lack of geek support.

Heh. If only it were true that technically superior products succeed, and inferior ones fail. The real world is driven by things such as marketing, margin, unfair competition, collusion, and a million other aspects of business that have nothing to do with the actual performance of the product delivered to the consumer.

What it was that killed BFG from Video cards, who knows. But I don't see much of anyone saying they're glad the company is dead because of a sucky product.

Unfortunate (1)

TouchAndGo (1799300) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303330)

I've never owned one of their cards but HardOCP always seemed to think highly of their products, from quality to support.

Re:Unfortunate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303988)

In the last 5 years, BFG has been the only video card I have bought.

I too will be sad to see them leave this market.

Honestly not surprised (2, Interesting)

GhostGuy (708750) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303370)

I've bought three BFG cards over the years. I figured "Oh cool, a pre-overclocked card. That'll save me a bit of effort". But all of them burned out in less than a week. I have excellent cooling, I had all of my settings correct, I didn't push the card any further than it was already clocked and temps really didn't seem that bad. But they all died on me. All of the cards I replaced them with lasted MUCH longer, and always gave me better performance after overclocking them myself. And honestly, they were just about on par with the BFG cards performance wise even BEFORE overclocking, at the same or lower price. Last card was the last chance for BFG in my eyes, I swore to never buy a card again. A few months later and they stop selling the cards? Coincidence? Probably, yeah. But still.

Re:Honestly not surprised (1)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303580)

Now that's odd, I'm still running a BFG 7950, and I have bad cooling in my machine. Dog hair, cigarette smoke. Been more than once that my computer would lock up while playing graphics-intensive games because the damn thing would overheat, and I'd have to open the computer up and clean it out.

*AND* it came with a copy of HL2, which was rad. Got a hell of a bargain out of that purchase.

You're one of those people! (1)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304278)

You, sir, will likely also live to be 102 and b perfectly healthy other than a few minor hiccups while the go green eat healthy guy will keel over with cancer at 56. Live strong, mate. Live STRONG!

Something's fishy... (1)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304266)

I don't believe you. If they had burned out, I don't believe you'd of just happily replaced them with some other card, as all BFG cards have a lifetime warranty.

The only way I might believe you is if you bought three 9600s, as every manufacturer had problem with that chip (Black Screen of Death), including the BFG GeForce FX 9600 I bought for my wife. BFG happily replaced it for me free of charge, however.

So yeah, if you honestly just did go buy three new cards, can I buy the broken ones off you for $5 apiece? I'll even foot the shipping.

Supply & Demand vs Acceptable or Insane graphi (3, Informative)

zannox (173829) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303380)

Maybe it's because they all eventually crap out before the warranty does (or at least a very high percentage). Not just this vendor (BFG) but all of them. nVidia's chips may hold up, sometimes, but the fans fail and once the chip overheats....its toast. This problem even applies to ATI/AMD cards. Not to mention the power supply requirements of the higher end cards and it all adds up to more and more people being satisfied by 'acceptable' performance versus those who want to see insanely high frame rates. Vendors (such as BFG) who sell JUST the higher end cards of the currently released chip, are not selling as well as say XFS, or PNY that make a full range of cards. But even those vendors have turned to making more than just the video cards. Plus there are tons of 'unknown' brands available on places like NewEgg and such that you can find a decent card for $150 and not have to shell out $400 for the card and another 200 for a power supply that will properly power it. BFG was on one of the few who had lifetime warraties on their cards and upgrade options if you owned a previous card of an older chip.

Re:Supply & Demand vs Acceptable or Insane gra (1)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304170)

It was hard for a BFG card to 'crap out before the warranty does' as BFG was the first gfx card manufacturer to offer a true lifetime warranty, instead of the *shelf life* of the part.

Excellent manufacturer, I waited for years for them to start selling in the UK and was very happy when they did.
Incredibly sad to hear they're pulling out, and I really don't know what to replace them with.

There's a LOT of eVGA going about on these stories it's hard to imagine it's not a marketing campaign atm, is their hardware actually high quality and very long lasting? The last time I looked at them (3 years ago, maybe more) they were not held in high regard.

Re:Supply & Demand vs Acceptable or Insane gra (1)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304626)

eVGA is great. If they weren't before, they are now. They were the first to offer a double-lifetime warranty, which makes no sense until you find out it means that you have a life-time warranty until you sell the card, then the person who bought it from you now has the lifetime warranty. Now if that person sells the card, the third person does not get the lifetime warranty.

XFX, not EVGA (1)

InvisiBill (706958) | more than 4 years ago | (#32305616)

It's XFX that has the double lifetime warranty. EVGA has a lifetime warranty and the StepUp upgrade program (which I personally think is of little use to most people, having used it myself).

StepUp only gives you back what you originally paid for your card, and charges you full retail for the new card. If you got a smoking deal and snagged a GTX470 for $100, you get back the $100 to put toward a $500 GTX480, completely negating the original deal you got. Plus you get to pay shipping on both the new card coming to you and for the old one going back to them. To top it all off, you have to send your old card back before they send you the new one, which means you'll be without a card for a bit. StepUp is handy if you really need to buy a new card right now, but a new model might be coming out in the next few months and you're planning on paying full price for it. Other than the shipping costs, you can essentially undo your first purchase and buy the new card for MSRP. I used StepUp on my mobo to get a new release that was only available at MSRP, plus the original was bought in a combo, meaning I got credit for the full MSRP while retaining my good deal via the other items in the combo. The downtime and shipping sucked, but the pricing worked out ok for me.

XFX's double lifetime warranty can increase resale value though. If I sell my used XFX card to you, you can have your own full lifetime warranty. You don't have to mess around with sending it back to me to have me return it for you (if I decide I'm nice enough to do that for you), you simply send it in yourself. Since you have a full valid warranty from the manufacturer, you don't have to worry as much about what I did to it before selling it to you - as long as it's not physically damaged, you're covered by your own warranty if it does die. In my eyes, this is a lot more useful than a 90-day window for upgrading your part at full MSRP plus double shipping and downtime.

Re:Supply & Demand vs Acceptable or Insane gra (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 4 years ago | (#32309604)

I have a EVGA 9800GT, compared to my friends BFG 8800GTX the EVGA heatsink is a complete joke.

The BFG heatsink has a nice heatpipe set up and all the ram chips are in contact with the heatink. The card looks like it could take a hit or two from a hammer on the heatsink side without killing it.

The EVGA heatsink connects to the GPU only. It has a fairing system that makes it look like the type of heatsink that is on the 8800, but its not nearly the same.

Then again the 8800 when it was purchased was the top of the line and went for around $500, my EVGA was closer to $125 and a was generation old.

Re:Supply & Demand vs Acceptable or Insane gra (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304648)

Since you mentioned PNY, let me just say, don't buy anything from them. They have a lifetime warranty on flash products but require a receipt for RMA. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Re:Supply & Demand vs Acceptable or Insane gra (1)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 4 years ago | (#32305342)

heck, I've had a usb flash drive and some desktop memory that went bad days after the warranty expired... "no support for you!" is the response I got.

Exiting desktop graphics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303382)

What the hell else do they do?

Re:Exiting desktop graphics? (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304148)

They make power supplies also. But I sort of agree, I suspect graphics cards were a large part of their total business, and this signals either a significant downsize for the company, or a big gamble on moving to new markets.

Oh Well.... (0, Troll)

Now.Imperfect (917684) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303386)

Never liked BFG cards very much, they were the worst at maintaining nVidia reference spec and they didn't have a very watercooling friendly warranty which is a problem for anyone who mods.

Re:Oh Well.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303422)

I'm sure all three GPU water cooling enthusiasts (including you) were deeply troubled by BFG's warranty. A shame, really...

Re:Oh Well.... (1)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304298)

Never liked BFG cards very much, they were the worst at maintaining nVidia reference spec

What? Every BFG board I've ever bought my wife (which has been about three so far since her previous, non-BFG card burned out a month after its warranty period) has been practically a reference board with upgraded RAM and cooling. They ship the damned reference drivers on their CDs.

As far as not water-cooling friendly... They've got a lifetime warranty if you don't screw with them. So, yeah, most people aren't buying them to screw with them.

Re:Oh Well.... (1)

Now.Imperfect (917684) | more than 4 years ago | (#32307874)

By reference spec I mean component placement on the board, not reference drivers. They're very fond of moving vregs and changing cap placement. And yes they are great at respecting their warranty, but Evga has a better warranty. Good cards for the average user, but they never had a competitive edge imo.

Not Surprised... (1)

BulletMagnet (600525) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303408)

I was reading somewhere that BFG was in some ugly financial straits as well....They're just dumping one of their not-so-lucrative lines....

Re:Not Surprised... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303510)

I was reading somewhere that BFG was in some ugly financial straits as well....They're just dumping one of their not-so-lucrative lines....

Yeah, what a bunch of idiots. They don't even know what is making them the most money. Fortunately, BulletMagnet on Slashdot does.

"going forward" (1)

quixos (780763) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303524)

i hate the add-on to sentences, "going forward". it makes me sick. BFG made some nice slightly overclocked cards. having bought three of them myself over the years that still function, i feel they are not junk. i'm no BFG fanboy, just needed to post about "going forward". "going forward" man, whomever you are, stop it. why didn't you stop the sentence at "we will continue to evaluate it." sorry folks, that phrase "going forward", literally made me feel sick. i needed (it's not like i abuse the privilege) to type about that "going forward" thing.

Re:"going forward" (1)

greentshirt (1308037) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304140)

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person with an adequate command of the English language. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Thank you.

Will Nvidia keep supporting the cards? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32303552)

I use a BFG Geforce GTX 285 (2gb). I hope Nvidia keeps them driver updates coming!

making money on??? (1)

w00tsauce (1482311) | more than 4 years ago | (#32303762)

So if BFG can't make money on video cards, what CAN they make their money on? The only thing I think of when I think of BFG is high end computer parts. Is everybody just buying el cheapo atom-with-video-card-built-in systems now?

This isn't good at all... (1)

durval (233404) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304256)

Let's hope BFG don't just close up shop a few months from now; If they can't make money on graphics cards, I'm not sure they will be able to make it on even thinner margin products like PCs, notebooks and power supplies.

As a side note, of course I *had* to buy one of their cards a few weeks ago... and of course my computer is now hanging randomly (I'm not positive it's the card's fault yet as I also upgraded other components, but it seems very probable).

Well, at least they *say* they are going to honor their lifetime warranties. Unfortunately I think I'm going to find out how well that's working Real Soon Now (tm).

Re:This isn't good at all... (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304480)

If you think it is the GPU but aren't sure try stressing it with PCWizard [cpuid.com] and see if it hangs or not. Its free, they make a portable version so you don't have to install if you don't want to, and they have benchmarks tests for all the other major components such as RAM, HDD and CPU. A great little tool for checking performance or just seeing what kind of hardware is installed on an unknown PC.

Good suggestion (1)

durval (233404) | more than 4 years ago | (#32305826)

Thanks! I was going to recompile SPECViewPerf so I could do the graphics stressing under Linux, but it will be much more practical to run PCWizard on the WindowsXP partition I keep for the games that still don't run well under Wine.

So long BFG (1)

robow (1609129) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304500)

With so many companies making identical cards for nearly identical prices, eventually a few of them were bound to drop out due to loss of profit. It is a shame it had to BFG to drop out first. Their cards held up to noob overclocking very well.

Missing parts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32304636)

The DVI->HDMI converter and HDMI cable were missing from my BFG video card a few months ago. It their place was a note saying that if I wanted said parts, I'd need to go register on their website, even though the package exterior clearly stated the parts would be in the box. Is that even legal?

So I went through with the registration, and the website decided it didn't like the serial number on my card. One long email thread later, I was eventually shipped the parts that I should have had in the first place.

I'm glad BFG is out of the video card market. Now if only someone would revive Canopus...

Unprofitable business (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 4 years ago | (#32304642)

There's only so much money to be made spinning reference boards... nobody actually designs a video card. They just spin the reference artwork provided by the chip manufacturers, with maybe a couple of modifications like silk screen color, heat sinks, and stickers. It's just a race to the bottom to see who can do it the cheapest.

About time! I was going back to Firestone! (1)

gearloos (816828) | more than 4 years ago | (#32305292)

lol

Not profitable?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32305914)

Given the prices on video cards, I find it difficult to believe that it's not profitable. Hell, they don't even have to design their own card if they don't want to, only adding a bigger cooler if they want to overclock it. They write no drivers as they are all provided by the GPU mfg, etc.

OTOH they're probably unable to compete with the likes of eVGA, misc. OD(/E)Ms(e.g. ASUS, MSI, etc.), and the bargain basement "brands".

Longevity of video cards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32305990)

I've got a 10y old bargain basement brand(forget which ATM) GF2 MX card that is still kicking. Ran 24/7 for the better part of 7y.

Also have old ATI Rage Pros, 3dfx cards, Rendition Verites, etc. that were still running as of 4 or 5y ago, and actually now that I think of it a Voodoo Banshee in my server which must be the tops.

Misc. GF 6200, 7600GT etc. still running (MUCH newer obviously).

Not bothering to mention notebook GPUs, oddly enough all ATIs, but only one recent 4870 all of these are passively cooled though or connected via heatpipe to the CPU heatsink/fan.

Yet to see a fan fail on one of these puppies yet. I've lost more PSUs/hdds than component fans. (I NEVER OC unless it comes from the factory OCed as I never saw much point in stressing the hw for such little gain in actual apps/games. i.e. I prefer hw longevity over a few extra FPS that, generally, end up making no realistic difference in the long run and by the time it would it's just time to upgrade the old GPU anyways which, for me, is almost always a hefty performance boost.

Also have seen similar circumstances in larger numbers of business systems although most systems got upgraded every 3-5y so they never took the beating that I gave to my home machines, and let's face it most people in businesses simply do NOT stress their hw as their work does NOT require them to.

So in summation, a "lifetime"(and there are variable definitions of lifetime, read the fineprint carefully) is more or less useless to me IME.

BFG or Die (1)

pagen (52961) | more than 4 years ago | (#32306356)

BFG - named for the Big F@&#ing gun from Doom, was made by gamers for gamers and set the standard in the industry for the product warranty and return. For years it was the only brand of card I would buy. As ATI began to equal nVida chips and the BFG standard warranty became the norm, it was easy to find cheaper yet comparable cards. I swore by BFG as they swore by gamers. Somewhere this broke down perhaps for some or all of the reasons mentioned here may be why, but I want to thank BFG for setting a higher standard for the industry years ago when they entered the market.

End of nvidia is closer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32306408)

Yet another nVidia OEM bails out.

Reports on new Fermi cards arriving at OEMs are that they do not work unless under-clocked.
Uh-oh.

nVidia bails out of the chip sets for mother boards business.

The end is getting closer for nVidia.

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