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Lost Ends

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the talk-amongst-yourselves dept.

Television 955

Unless you live in a hatch somewhere, you are probably aware that Lost has ended. If you want a simple, clear explanation of exactly how the series resolved, Lost Untangled will do nothing to clarify things for you. For everyone else, I provide this discussion thread for you to complain/revel in the most spoiler-laden manner you desire.

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Was Not Impressed at All (4, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322374)

Note: what follows is my own opinion. Many viewers that were more attentive than I were very satisfied with and emotionally moved by the ending.

I've always been bicuriously Lost as the show would sometimes give me a feeling that something more was going on that would eventually be revealed. So, having caught a number of episodes early on, I started watching Season Five religiously in order to prepare myself for the ending. But at the end of Season Five with no end in sight and only more questions and more characters (and a freaking reset button that later turned out to be a multiverse splitting mechanism), I gave up. Until I watched the last episode last night in hopes that the island would have some greater meaning. It didn't. Well, it tried to I guess but everyone's got their own interpretation of what they saw last night.

So many questions I have went completely unanswered. Questions about Walt, why Faraday never recognized Desmond (the guy that unexpectedly gave him the constants to time travel one day) when Faraday landed on the island, the properties of the multiverses (some people seem to care about the futures of the other multiverse even though they shouldn't know about it until they're dead), why the black cloud killed who it did and left others (especially now that we know more about the black cloud), the list goes on and on. The worst of it is if you take each character individually and reassemble their timelines in sequential order that the episodes slowly piecemeal it out to you -- everyone is a goddamn psychotic sociopath. No rhyme or reason to the actions of half the characters. And it's not even Lord of the Flies neurosis ... just unexplainable U-turns in morality and logic.

The show started out very concrete, real and physical and slowly absolved into symbolism with last night being such pure symbolism that you cannot say for sure when they died or what the afterlife was or what the church represented or where they went at the end when the doors were opened. It reminded me of a few anime series I watched in this respect where the shows digress into absolving themselves of anything earthly or logical in some sort of ethereal climax of visual and auditory sequence or cues. Problem was that none of Lost's resolutions sat well with me.

I sympathize with the writers as they had no idea how many seasons they would get but in the end I must admit I found the writing to be more or less utter drivel. Designed only to get you to keep watching with little if any satisfactory explanations. Everyone was a chaotic actor in the past, present and alternate multiverse. Writing that many flash sideways [wikia.com] scenes as plot devices is -- quite frankly -- juvenile at best. Also the lead writer had refuted the theory that everyone was dead, in purgatory, in heaven or in hell. Yet, at the end they're clearly in some sort of afterlife.

The series offered closure on what happened eventually to everyone but no closure whatsoever as to what the island was and how its mechanations functioned -- even on a magical fantasy level. I was intrigued with Donnie Darko when the ending was left open to interpretation but Lost takes it to a whole new (unbearable for me) level. I hope other people enjoyed the ending but for me it was a complete indication not to devote anymore time to this series or these writers. Still better than 85% of what you'll find on TV but that isn't saying much.

They could have done a lot of neat things with tying down loose ends, explaining the island and completing their work. Instead they gave us this. And finally I see no further point in discussing it because there's no hope of ever explaining anything. Unlike a finely crafted classic novel, the grand symbolism and allusions are too abstract to nail down. So what's the point? Everyone's going to experience the series differently and for me it was just some guys writing a serial (twists, twists and more twists) with decent soundtrack and okay acting for television. Not a whole lot more.

Thankfully this Icarus of television shows is over and tonight the latently xenophobic 24 will be over as well. Two shows I could seriously stand to hear less about around the water cooler. Time to move on.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (1, Funny)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322392)

Uh, what he said...

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322440)

I have no idea what Lost is. Should I feel bad about that?

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322614)

Just be happy that it's over.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322794)

Lost describes how viewers feel from episode to episode. I can only imagine they feel some measure of relief now.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (0, Troll)

slick7 (1703596) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322590)

Never watched it. Should I care? Do they have a solution to the oil slick in the Gulf? Do I have MY priorities straight?

Mod parent up (-1, Redundant)

TrisexualPuppy (976893) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322706)

Never watched it. Should I care? Do they have a solution to the oil slick in the Gulf? Do I have MY priorities straight?

'nuff said.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (2)

kLaNk (82409) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322798)

Never watched it. Should I care? Do they have a solution to the oil slick in the Gulf? Do I have MY priorities straight?

Why is Mr. High-And-Mighty bothering to post on /. with such important world matters such as the oil in the Gulf, world hunger, nuclear proliferation and North/South Korean relationships escalating?

You must live a very busy life.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322860)

Are you doing *ANYTHING* to fix the oil slick in the Gulf? Life goes on dude. People far smarter than you or I are trying to fix that issue. Lost is a great TV show, whether or not you like. Trying to guilt trip people for watching Lost when there is an oil slick is idiocy.

Do you do anything for entertainment? When the oil leak has been plugged, and cleanup is underway, people will still be dying of starvation. Yet here you are posting on Slashdot? Are your priorities straight? Really?

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (0, Flamebait)

nomorecwrd (1193329) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322476)

In this case, "life is a journey not a destination" holds true.
In the end, for me at last, it didn't mattered how the series ended, it gave me several hours of fine and smart entertainment and I'm thankful for that.

I will be there standing in line waiting to see more and more smart series like this one.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (3, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322556)

My issue with Lost is that the entire series was sold with the premise of 'theres a mystery, watch to find out what it is'. Its built up and built up, so many things are hyped and then discarded, and when we get to the final episode ... nothing.

Battlestar Galactica was bad enough for me - they had a decent storyline they were following which had plenty of potential, but it all got spoiled for me when the writers admitted halfway through Season 3 that the entire Final Five thing was an accident. They only started with the Final Five thing when it became obvious that the fans had latched onto it as a 'thing'. Then they revealed that they chose the Final Five in a writers committee meeting only a short while before they were revealed to the viewers!

Lost seems to have gone the same way - lots of potential, lots of hype of a huge story arc and nothing.

Written by Wiki (2, Interesting)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322656)

From what I understand they had their own internal Wiki which became where they hashed out a lot of the mythos. That is no way to write a narrative that you can tie together into coherent story arc.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322666)

Wait, wait, wait. Are you suggesting that American TV isn't all about money? Are you really saying that it's not about throwing crap against a wall, seeing which shit blobs the typical American consumer will focus on, and then throwing more of those shit blobs against the wall?

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (2, Insightful)

johnlcallaway (165670) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322806)

Lost was sold as a way to make money for the networks and advertisers. Sadly, thousands (millions??) of people felt it necessary to watch it.

Fortunately, I was not one of them.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (1)

gmurray (927668) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322586)

I concur, sir.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322596)

The "alt universe" is basically what occurs AFTER Jack has died and is only shown during Season 6 so it can coincide with Jack's death and final resolve in the afterlife. Do you want a Season 7 of just an alt universe? Anyways, During this "alt universe", this is where Jack is trying to find closure and in the end everyone that gave any meaning to Jack's life is there to help him move on. Remember, the show has used many flash forwards before, the "alt universe" is a flash forward centered around Jack during his afterlife. But everything that occurred on the Island was when they were all living.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (5, Insightful)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322712)

Ok. What happened on the island did happen. It was the real timeline. The 'other' timeline was not created by the bomb going off. It was just a jumping point into purgatory. Those who showed up at the church, became at peace with their 'former' timeine and moved on. So, others who were not there but on the island could have moved on before, after, or not at all (eloeise Hawking for example). Faraday had not had is 'wake up' moment yet with Charlotte. But he may since he just met her there. Then move on later. So the 'sideways' timeline could have been thousands of our timeline years since Hurley could have been guardian for the island for who know's how long before he joined the group at the church. Sawyer could have lived to be 90, but then died and reverted back to the 'sideways' timeline so he could join the group at the point of time for him/them that was the most significant. The show wasn't about the island itself. It never was. It was about the folks who survived the initial crash and moved on. The second flight did leave the island. And Jack did die in the bamboo. But it took them all to die on their own time before they all met back up in the sideways. So Ben had not yet been at peace with his actions to enter the church. It's all very Catholic at it's core. Now if you were looking for what the island was or were it came from, that, I'm afraid is going to be another story. Or you could use your imagination. That is the idea here. Every person enjoying the story at their own level.

Re:Was Not Impressed at All (1)

crmarvin42 (652893) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322842)

I spent half an hour unsuccessfully trying to make that exact explanation to my wife after we finished watching LOST last night. I could not (and in fact did not) explain it any better myself.

Two word summary: (5, Informative)

yoshac (603689) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322380)

Jacobs Ladder

One word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322776)

Riverworld

Hmmm.... (1)

Whatsmynickname (557867) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322382)

Guess I live in a hatch then... Don't watch too much TV.

Re:Hmmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322408)

Oh god, you too? Let's throw a hatch party!

Re:Hmmm.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322540)

Sure why not? I watched pieces of a few episodes and found them to be utter nonsense. I knew there was a reason I tried to warn my friends away from that show. Utter tripe.

Re:Hmmm.... (1)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322568)

Your hatch or mine?

Re:Hmmm.... (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322854)

Oh god, you too? Let's throw a hatch party!

WooHoo!! I'll bring some DVD's for entertainment. How about that TV show Lost? I've heard some curious things about it.

Should I watch it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322400)

Unless you live in a hatch somewhere, you are probably aware that Lost has ended.

I have never seen a single episode, it the whole series worth watching, now that it is over?

SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322462)

No need to watch it, I have just spoiled it for you.

Re:SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE! (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322746)

In a similar vein: The Satanic Verses were the ones that were left in.

Re:SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322780)

Noooooo0oo0000000

Re:Should I watch it? (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322498)

It had a promising start and then somewhere along the line it looks like it outlived it's original story arc and the writers just went bonkers.

Too much of a "good thing"? (1, Insightful)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322752)

I've never seen the show either, but I imagine most shows with a "story" would run into this problem.

If you have the most awesome story, and make it a TV show, it could be great... until the story is over, but since it was successful "TV", more shows get ordered... but the story was already told, so you have no choice but to make stuff up. (And you have to do it on a schedule, whereas the first one might have taken years to conceive.)

Same reason most movie sequels suck too.

Re:Should I watch it? (3, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322770)

I have never seen a single episode, it the whole series worth watching, now that it is over?

In a word, no. The show barely made sense watching it over the past 6 years as it was released. We continually got some hints that things might make sense eventually, but they never did. Inconsistencies from vaguely remembered episodes of 2 or 3 years ago kept popping up and giving this little feeling in the back of one's mind that the writers had no idea what they were doing. I suspect if you watched it all back to back it would make even less sense because the inconsistencies and utter nonsense would be that much more obvious.

I watched it from beginning to end, but I have absolutely no desire to watch it again, and I certainly won't be wasting money on the DVDs.

DC;TS (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322404)

Don't care, too stupid

Re:DC;TS (5, Funny)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322774)

I'm confused. Did you mean you, or the show?

Oh wait, I'm confused. How prophetic of you!

Nothing of value was Lost (5, Funny)

Lord Grey (463613) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322416)

The subject lines, they just write themselves.

Re:Nothing of value was Lost (1)

Cornwallis (1188489) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322718)

Re:Nothing of value was Lost

So Yoda had the answer?

It was ok. (3, Insightful)

flitty (981864) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322426)

It was just ok. Given that Battlestar was the last finale I watched, it handled similar material in a much better way. Given the terrible ways it could have ended, it was good enough. Some people will be mad that some questions were never answered, and I would have been happier if the last episode focused more on the island than the survivors, but really, given how they didn't have an ending written when they started the series, they did a fairly good job of cleanup.

Re:It was ok. (1)

bbqsrc (1441981) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322442)

Aren't all great stories written in reverse?

Re:It was ok. (4, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322732)

Aren't all great stories written in reverse?

.oN

Re:It was ok. (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322536)

"Given that Battlestar was the last finale I watched, it handled similar material in a much better way." I mean to say that LOST handled the spirituality and God question better/more coherently than BSG's Deus Ex Machina ending.

Re:It was ok. (1)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322734)

It was just ok. Given that Battlestar was the last finale I watched, it handled similar material in a much better way. Given the terrible ways it could have ended, it was good enough. Some people will be mad that some questions were never answered, and I would have been happier if the last episode focused more on the island than the survivors, but really, given how they didn't have an ending written when they started the series, they did a fairly good job of cleanup.

Anyone who was expecting "Island Answers" was bound for disappointment. The writers have been saying since the show started that its a "Character Story" and that the island is just a background. Seriously, every time the writers were interviewed they said something about how lost was all about the characters and that not everything about the island will be answered. I don't know if this was their way of saying, "we never had a good idea what to do with the island story, but we knew what we wanted the character arcs to be" or if it's their way of saying "we didn't have time to get into every detail of the island since we wanted to focus on the characters" - but I knew going in that I'd still not really know as much as I wanted to about the mysteries but I'd know what was going with the characters.

No. (-1, Troll)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322430)

Can we all agree that most t.v. just sucks big sweaty donkey balls?

Re:No. (2, Informative)

ig88b (1401217) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322518)

Can we all agree that most t.v. just sucks big sweaty donkey balls?

Most TV? Certainly. But there are the occasional gems that make it worthwhile. A few examples of current, excellent shows include Better Off Ted (sadly canceled), Dexter, and Gravity (weird show on Starz about a suicide group).

That's just a drop in the bucket. There are plenty of excellent shows if you know how to filter out the noise.

Re:No. (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322544)

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

'just sayin

Re:No. (1)

BlueBoxSW.com (745855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322726)

Hear! Hear!

(or is it Here! Here!)

Re:No. (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322676)

You left off arrested development, tudors, mad men, dead like me, inbetweeners.... I know I'm forgetting some, anyone want to help me out?

Re:No. (1)

ig88b (1401217) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322820)

I didn't leave off any shows, I just only listed a few.

Coupling (UK), Arrested Development, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Charlie Jade, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly, Babylon 5, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Band of Brothers, Hustle, Sports Night, NewsRadio, Veronica Mars, ReGenesis, Futurama, Rescue Me, Carnivale, The Wire, The Big Bang Theory, Californication, Entourage.

I'm sure there're more, that's just all I can think of off the top of my head.

Great Until the Last 10 Minutes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322434)

It was terrific until the end when we found out that they were all in some sort of limbo in the sideways world. What should have happened was all their experiences on the island transformed and reshaped their real lives in a positive way. Also, anyone who died on the island would still be alive in the normal world. So the sideways world is their new redeemed life based on their experiences on the island. It's a shame that the producers copped out in the end. I still think it was a great series though.

Re:Great Until the Last 10 Minutes (1)

Scubaraf (1146565) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322606)

This is exactly where I hoped they were going. Ben Linus was a perfect example of that. He was an shit person - a total manipulative, scheming opportunist with no morality. Yet even he redeems himself to some degree. The writers could have made it more obvious - saying that Linus is staying to atone for kidnapping the Frenchwoman's daughter and letting her die later on - that he needed to reconcile with his father - and the like. It would have been nice to know that these richly developed characters still had life to live with the benefit of who they had become after their time on the Island.

Answers (5, Funny)

linebackn (131821) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322436)

If you want a simple, clear explanation of exactly how the series resolved, Lost Untangled will do nothing to clarify things for you.

If you were expecting answers... you have been watching the wrong show for the last 6 years.

So the Robinsons finally made it home? (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322438)

Or did Dr. Smith screw things up again?

Re:So the Robinsons finally made it home? (1)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322684)

No, the doctor actually "fixed" what was broken. Except that we don't know what was broken.

Amazingly, the island has a wheel that can move the island through time and space, but if you uncork it, all the water sources on the island dry up, you get a lot of rain, and yet the island falls apart rather than sinking into the ocean (nothing at all that you would expect to happen when you uncork something and all things that are NEVER EXPLAINED).

A lot of people tell me that I missed the point, that we had a character driven show with well written characters. I say, 'eff that, we have a show that after 6 years of character development pissed on everyone that wasn't Jack (everyone else in the series either had no final resolution or died needlessly and unexpectedly) and gave you the end of Jack's story with no understanding ultimately what the Island is. It isn't even related to the "in between place" that wasn't introduced until the final season and yet was the driving plot for Jack's storyline.

We got 5 seasons of Jack's character development (not story development) and one season of Jack walking back and forth on the Island to ultimately throw his and the world's enemy off of a cliff. Sounds like they ripped off Kevin Smith's description of Lord of the Rings to me.

Buy the DVD! (1)

emkyooess (1551693) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322452)

"An ABC source reported that the DVD and Blu-ray release of season 6 will feature twenty minutes of additional scenes, some of which will have answers to questions, cut from the storyline due to running time." - Wikipedia

So, if you buy the DVD, MAYBE you'll get some kind of worth-while closure? I highly doubt that. My apologies to all those who wasted 6 years on this show and couldn't see early on that it was like a six-year-old's summer midafternoon make believe story.

Mumbo Jumbo (1)

gmurray (927668) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322468)

I think the Lost finally was pretty obnoxious and failed to explain any of the interesting mysteries of the show. Their stance seems to be that we shouldn't try to understand the mysterious, and, rather, just let it wash over us. I just say, "No".

Re:Mumbo Jumbo (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322512)

Mumbo perhaps, Jumbo perhaps not.

Re:Mumbo Jumbo (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322600)

It was patently religious, it was pandering to the masses who will be buying the DVDs. The finale might as well of come from Kirk Cameron or one of the lesser Baldwins. There is no money in running a show like LOST which refused to disclose almost any definitive answers for 6 seasons if its last message is secular so they wrapped it their last story arc like it was some new agey mystical coda that unifies all religions and all your friends together.

Re:Mumbo Jumbo (2, Interesting)

gmurray (927668) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322664)

The writing in the earlier seasons seemed to have much more intellectual integrity. Not sure what changed. Did someone leave the show or something? Some auditor or other writer?

Fucking FINALLY (3, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322486)

I'm tired of hearing you people constantly talk about this steaming pile of ass. Lost is, quite possibly, the most overrated show that has ever been on television.

And yes, I've watched it...a friend of mine convinced me to watch the first two seasons, and even that was almost impossible. How people obsess over this show completely eludes me.

Religious Viewers= $ (-1, Flamebait)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322506)

Sorry, I'm an Atheist and the ending for me was like watching the crew of the enterprise meeting Santa Claus at the North Pole. The producers and writers promised rational explanations for everything that happened on the Island, but I guess that means everything that happened off the Island could indulge in as much mystical mumbo jumbo as they wanted.

I get the feeling that the 5th season's science heavy direction was losing viewers or something because after spending last night at a LOST party and listening to people talk it is obvious that the lowest common denominator explanation for any phenomenon was Religion and Aliens. Out of a group of about 30 people maybe 2 were positing scientific explanations for things.

Re:Religious Viewers= $ (1)

slick7 (1703596) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322654)

You would have been better off watching the Sopranos.

Re:Religious Viewers= $ (4, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322672)

Me, too. Another show that infurated me was I Dream of Jeannie. I mean, under the laws of physics and rational human reason, there's just *no way* that Barbara Eden could fit into that tiny little bottle. The only explanation possible was supernatural mumbo jumbo, which was an insult to Larry Hagman and the rest of the scientific community at NASA.

Re:Religious Viewers= $ (2, Insightful)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322710)

I don't understand how being an athiest would deter you from watching a work of fiction. Clearly the imagery suggested in the show had nothing to do with a particular type of religion that exists. Also, nothing about this series would imply that there was going to be a rational ending to this show. I don't ever recall a scientific or rational explanation to anything.

Re:Religious Viewers= $ (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322768)

The writers promised us sci-fi explanations for everything in the second season.

Re:Religious Viewers= $ (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322862)

Actually, I suspect the problem was that they wanted to stick to some generic "mysticism"** that didn't offend anyone. If you didn't expect the show to have some kind of "mysticism" in the conclusion about what was going on, then you weren't paying attention to what the shows writers and producers were saying about the show. I think the show would have been better if they had picked some worldview that would have offended some of their audience. If they had picked a specific religious view or a explicitly materialistic view, while those people who disagreed with the worldview would not have liked the show's answers, most people would have found the ending more satisfying.


** I used the word mysticism in quotes because it is not quite the right word for what I am talking about, but the other words I can think of at the moment are all worse ("religion" implies a specific belief set of one kind or another and this show was going for a "there's more going on than can be explained by strict materialism, but we can't understand what it is" sort of mysticism).

My take (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322514)

I am not much of a TV watcher but a coworker loaned me the DVDs to watch on the bus during my commute in the Fall of 2008 and I kept up with the show ever since. For the first two seasons I was riveted. The cliffhangers, the mystery, etc, etc, etc. With the first half of Season 3 the show started to fall apart. They came back with a clear vision in the second half, supposedly, but I never saw it materialize.

Yesterday I sat down with my wife (who only started watching it in Season 5) and we watched as nothing in the final episode answered any questions. No, the fucking light at the center of the island didn't tell us shit and that stupid fucking ending with some sort of allusion to the afterlife was absolutely stupid. People had been suspecting that all along and knowing that many people did you would have thought the writers, being paid as much as they were, would have come up with something more shocking than that--but they didn't.

I am glad that I only wasted two years of my life watching that show rather than the 6 many others did. It started with a plane wreck and it ended with one. We were all duped. The least they could have done was provide everyone watching with some of that Dharma beer in rusty cans to help ease the pain.

Re:My take (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322688)

I am not much of a TV watcher either. When Lost first came out I was interested, but I missed the first couple of episodes because I forgot it was coming on. Then the trailers for the show looked pretty dark and maybe a little freaky, my wife doesn't deal well with that sort of stuff (she gets nightmares if she watches shows like that (even when the show isn't particularly scary). Then when the show started to take off and I heard my co-workers talking about it, it reminded me of a show from a few years back that I really liked, "The Pretender". The Pretender had a mysterious plot running through it and the main character uncovered a little bit more in each episode. It was really interesting trying to put the clues together to see what the main conspiracy was. Then the final episode came where they explained what these mega powerful conpsirators were doing and it was a complete let down.
I decided that I was going to wait until Lost was completed to see if its ending was a disappointing to its fans as Pretender's was or if it was as well down as Lost's fans thought it would be. Based on what I overheard from my co-workers this morning (and the comments on this thread) I'm glad I did.

Re:My take (2, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322786)

a coworker loaned me the DVDs to watch on the bus during my commute in the Fall of 2008 [...]
I am glad that I only wasted two years of my life watching that show.

Wow! That's a freaking long commute.

You should try to find a job in your own continent.

It's not all in the ending (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322532)

Ending to epic shows like this inevitably end bad in the eyes of some and I would argue it's impossible to write the perfect ending. Lost, Battlestar Galatica, and The Sopranos are a few recently. Too much emphasis is put on the ending, but it's the entire series that make it great.

Re:It's not all in the ending (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322658)

Ending to epic shows like this inevitably end bad in the eyes of some and I would argue it's impossible to write the perfect ending. Lost, Battlestar Galatica, and The Sopranos are a few recently. Too much emphasis is put on the ending, but it's the entire series that make it great.

You know what makes a great series better?

A great ending! A poor ending can ruin an otherwise great series.

I just want to know, (1)

hellop2 (1271166) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322542)

What is the explanation for the magical black smoke from the first season?

Re:I just want to know, (1)

aicrules (819392) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322756)

There are two levels of explanation...the most outer explanation is that it was just one part of a way complex test for Jack to get into "heaven". The inner explanation is that there were two super duper twins born on the island a long while ago. They grew up being cared for by the caretaker of the island (a woman). She realized that jacob was the right one to continue as protector as the other wanted bad things and the bad guy immediately shoots her. I'm paraphrasing because the whole thing eats at my brain. jacob and bad guy fight, bad guy ends up being tossed down the pit of light and viola! he becomes the smoke monster.

How? Why? How basically NEVER gets explained for any of this stuff. Why? To create two opposing forces that mirror the choice between good and evil thereby giving those who died on Oceanic 815 a way to prove themselves. Or maybe it was JUST Jack that was proving himself.

Re:I just want to know, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322832)

What is the explanation for the magical black smoke from the first season?

The island is a source of all-good. The Black Smoke is pure-evil. The island keeps the black-smoke contained so that it doesn't destroy the world. There is one former human that guards the island, and keeps the smoke-monster from destroying the island.

LOST is essentially the story of that guardian's succession.

Idiotic (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322548)

I remember the producers of Lost saying at some point either during or at the end of the first season that the mysteries of the island would all end up being explainable scientifically. Not necessarily pure science, but at least the sort of semi-plausible science-like stuff most sci-fi is built on. For most of the first two or three seasons they were flailing around, but for the most part it still seemed there could be a plausible explanation for everything. The introduction of Faraday and all of his scientific mumbo jumbo lent credence to that idea.

Then, over the past two seasons, the show took a sharp turn into religious territory and it became increasingly obvious they were going to take the easy way out and make it all into some ridiculous religious/spiritual allegory of some kind, albeit one so confused that no one would ever be able to make any real sense out of it. It reminded me of the Matrix, where the first movie was more sci-fi and the second and third were all a bunch of confused pseudo-religious nonsense.

I was primarily disappointed with their complete abandonment of any attempt to explain anything scientifically, and instead lean on a literal Deus Ex Machina by making the whole thing into a spiritual "God (or some other spiritual entity) did it". That sort of thing has been done to death. Hell, Battlestar Galactica was explicitly a religious allegory from the very beginning, and even it explained more stuff pseudo-scientifically than Lost did. Regardless of what they may say now, I think the Lost creators started out with a show that would have been much more scientifically based, but ended up having to extend it beyond what they thought they would. After wandering in the wilderness for much of seasons 2 through 4, they were backed into a corner and took the easy way out by waving the magic religion wand to "explain" everything away.

I watched Lost for the first time last night. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322558)

Interesting idea for a show. Too bad they canceled it before it could get rolling.

Lost Explained: they were just trying to make $$$ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322562)

Lost's writers had no plan and no goals. They just wanted to keep people watching so that they would get their next paycheck. The plot is full of all sorts of inconsistancies that they just quietly gloss over. The writers were hoping that you wouldn't notice, and that you'd just keep watching.

Meandering story not going anywhere (3, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322564)

I gave up on "lost", it seemed to be a meandering plot with hints but no resolutions. I am about to give up on "flash forward" for the same reason.

Re:Meandering story not going anywhere (5, Funny)

garcia (6573) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322612)

I am about to give up on "flash forward" for the same reason.

You're not going to have a choice as the show was canceled last week.

Re:Meandering story not going anywhere (1)

sammyF70 (1154563) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322888)

thankfully. It really was like being loaded.

Re:Meandering story not going anywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322762)

Sorry to tell you this, but if you're looking for resolutions in Flash Forward, you're unlikely to get them. It's been cancelled. You're going to give it up whether you want to or not.

Flash Sideways (1)

rotide (1015173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322598)

All I can gather from the last episode was that everything that was presented, happened to the characters. It wasn't a dream, etc. They did get stranded on the island, they did get off it and they did return.

The flash sideways scenes had no specific date/time associated with them. In fact, from what I can tell, it was actually some time in the future as it was a type of purgatory where all the dead "friends" meet up to realize they are actually dead and need to move on. So in that sense, it's in the future but really time has/had no meaning there.

So, no questions were answered, except, in the end, they get to spend eternity together and I'm guessing Hugo passed the torch onto some unknown heir. The island probably lives on with more people going there to figure out who gets to protect the place.

I'm still baffled by what the deal with Walt was and what did Juliet mean by "it worked" with her last words (nuke incident)?

Agg.. I suppose if you assume the show had to end last night, I guess they did an ok job. I wasn't left saying "WTF?" but I certainly didn't feel like I was looking at a completed jigsaw puzzle either.

5 word summary (1)

s31523 (926314) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322602)

"It was all a dream" Classic final ending plot. The show had too many loose ends to properly tie up.

Re:5 word summary (4, Insightful)

bunratty (545641) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322822)

It wasn't all a dream. After the Losties died (after the very real events on and off the island), they went to purgatory, aka the flashsideways. Then, realizing that they were holding on to their fantasy about what life would have been like without the island, they accepted what happened to them and were set free.

Wow that was a shocker! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322608)

So Rosebud was the name of Locke's sled?

Why is this on /. at all? Taco a fan then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322648)

This awful excuse for a show ought to be buried on that Island with the writers and forgotten.

So, my only question regarding Lost is (2, Interesting)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322704)

What the hell was that black smoke thing in the first series? You didn't see it at all through two or three, and I got so bored by then that I gave up.

So, black smoke monster; What was it?

Re:So, my only question regarding Lost is (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322826)

I answered my question: The Man in Black [wikipedia.org]

Re:So, my only question regarding Lost is (1)

rotide (1015173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322828)

Go to ABC.com and watch the last 3 episodes. Pretty much entirely explained.

Re:So, my only question regarding Lost is (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322874)

It's what came out after Jacob threw his twin brother into the hole with the light and the water. Every answer results in another mystery, doesn't it?

Not impressed, but here's my take (5, Insightful)

heckler95 (1140369) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322714)

I think the most revealing part was during the closing credits when they showed the wreckage on the beach with no people. My interpretation is that the entire series existed entirely in Jack's mind as the plane crashed and all passengers died on impact. Similar to the common cliche of one's "life flashing before their eyes" during a near-death experience, but in this case the result was actual death.

Many people who have a near-death experience describe comfort and moving toward a white light. This has been explained by science as the brain flooding itself with dopamine and other pleasure chemicals because it knows that it is dying and might as well go out feeling good. I think the series was an interpretation of that phenomenon - realizing that he had but seconds to live, Jack's brain created this vivid melodrama based on the wishful thinking that he'd actually survive the crash. The islands electromagnetic properties explain the crash, and the hope of reversing the crash and sending his life on a more fulfilling path (flash-sideways with Jack finding love, having a son, etc.) provides comfort.

With that being said, I think the writers took the easy way out and I'm quite disappointed having invested a significant amount of time in the series. I'm sure there will be plenty of post-game analysis and people will find tons of symbolism that was intended and even more that wasn't, so at least the discussion and speculation may fill my need for closure.

Local ABC affiliate - epic fail (1)

Enzo1977 (112600) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322740)

My local ABC affiliate in Cleveland, Ohio experienced technical difficulties during the entire broadcast.

http://www.cleveland.com/tv-blog/index.ssf/2010/05/lost_goes_out_on_symbolic_note_but_finale_is_lost_for_many_channel_5_viewers.html [cleveland.com]

I am a DishNetwork customer, and I was quick to try and blame the weather shifting the position of my dish. I also have an over the air antenna connected to my DN DVR. After stepping outside and noticing the air was calm and not a cloud in the sky, I went back and compared the Standard Definition signal from DN, the High Definition signal from DN, and the HD signal over the air. All feeds were experiencing extreme pixilation, then picture loss and drops in the audio feed. This process of pixilation, video loss, and audio loss would happen between every 1 to 4 minutes. My DishNetwork DVR has a meter which gives me a measure of the over the air signal strength. Throughout the entire episode last night the signal read at 100%, and yet I was still experiencing the pixilation and audio drop outs. I've waited six years for this finale, and for four and half hours last night I was cursing like a sailor at my TV. I thought it was funny that the local ABC affiliate was encouraging viewers to join their online chat while the show aired. I checked out the chat log, and it was riddled with complains on the video/audio feed.

So I wish I could comment on how the series ended. But I can't comment until after work today when I'll have time to watch the episode at abc.com.

This experience proves to me that far too many concessions have been made for local HD channels to put up a poorly broadcast signal. Cleveland Ohio is rated 18th in market size in the United states. Why is it they are able to get away with substandard performance you'd expect from Green Bay with a market rank of 139.

decent save (1)

yyxx (1812612) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322754)

I don't think they knew how to end the story when they were starting. For that, it was a decent ending.

However, if they had fully planned out the entire story arc from the start, it could have been spectacular.

Don't understand the hate (3, Interesting)

bunratty (545641) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322790)

I don't understand why other Lost fans haven't liked the last season of the show. The big questions were answered, but they seem not to like the answers provided. I've been a fan since the beginning, and I thought the end was beautiful.

The one part that left me wondering was the shot of the fuselage in the credits. The best explanation I read was that it's the final remains of the 815 crash after all the Losties died. It's the mystery that other people brought to the island in the future will wonder about, like we wondered about the hatch, the statue, Henry Gale's balloon, and so on.

I tuned in for the lost-fest last night. (1)

Zarf (5735) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322810)

I never watched the show that much but from what I did see it made me wonder why people thought it was a hard show to follow. It seems rather straight forward but poorly thought out. From the recap show I saw and the finale it looks like the show was written for thrills and twists that made the writers really work to try and tie things together (much like "David Copperfield"). Based on the show last night it looks like the writers are all fans of destiny and fated lovers tropes (or at least think we all are). Ironically, it looks like they had a hell of a time keeping everything moving in a way that seemed fated and destimonious.

This is why I think TV stories would work better if they stuck with single season shows with planned story arcs that complete each year. Reboot or tell totally different stories each new season using only characters and places from the old series in the new. Continuity is a bitch.

I never watched it... (1, Redundant)

hargrand (1301911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322834)

so I don't really have anything to add to the discussion. Still, on another note, 24 will be ending soon. Will CmdrTaco have a thread for us to discuss what we think of that?

Living in a hatch? (4, Funny)

pedantic bore (740196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322844)

Never heard of such a thing, but sounds appealing. Anyone know where I can get one?

SPOILERS WITHIN ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322866)

Heaven is a pub run by a jamaican dood, and the elevator to hell REALLY is red! oh wait .. wrong show. THAT was a spoiler for the really good british one.

Never saw it coming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32322868)

Locke killed Dumbledore!

Ashes to Ashes finale (1)

Feef Lovecraft (1231264) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322876)

((Contains slight Ashes to Ashes spoilers))


I am quite intrested in the feedback between Ashes to Ashes which just concluded and from what i've read about the lost finale has a similar sort of motiff but managed to give a very satisfying conclusion to Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes explaining the world, the charactes and motivations and just what has been happening.

Contrasting this with Lost which sounds very much like they were trying something similar but didn't dedicate enough time to make it forfilling and as rewarding as the final for Ashes to Ashes which even after watching a second time left me feeling drained but satisifed.

Goddamnit. (1)

yttrstein (891553) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322880)

At least when St. Elsewhere ended, we were left with a series of wonderful performances and truly creative plots and characters, even if in the end it was all some autistic kid's fantasy.

This time we don't get anything. And seriously, how many times did the writers/producers swear up and down that they werent all dead, that the island wasnt purgatory, that they werent pulling those cheap, easy outs.

Goddamn liars.

too successful for their own good (1)

bravecanadian (638315) | more than 4 years ago | (#32322886)

I think from the quality of the first couple of seasons and the hints at a larger story arch just beyond the horizon in each of those seasons.. they did have an idea of where they wanted to go with the story at first.

The problem is they became a massive hit, got renewed for a few seasons, and then made up the rest as they went along.

Season 6 basically disregarded almost everything that had happened previously and tacked on a completely separate ending.

Battlestar Galactica fell into the same trap even though they had a shorter run. Both degenerated into a bunch of symbolic quasi religious/spiritual nonsense.

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