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Slackware 13.1 Released

kdawson posted more than 3 years ago | from the taking-up-the-slack dept.

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Several readers made sure we are aware that Slackware 13.1 release is out. Here's the list of mirrors. "Slackware 13.1 brings many updates and enhancements, among which you'll find two of the most advanced desktop environments available today: Xfce 4.6.1, a fast and lightweight but visually appealing and easy-to-use desktop environment, and KDE 4.4.3, a recent stable release of the new 4.4.x series of the award-winning KDE desktop environment."

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wow version 13.1 thats quite a lot of slackin (3, Interesting)

Rivalz (1431453) | more than 3 years ago | (#32330930)

cheers to the developers. they really work their slacks off.

Re:wow version 13.1 thats quite a lot of slackin (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32330966)

I don't get it.

Wait... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331092)

Isn't slackware that thing for teenagers who just want to look cool and never develop anything, but instead spend all their time recompiling new kernals?

Re:Wait... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331462)

Nope, it's for us old farts who have long since stopped worrying about whether we're considered 'cool' but know how to spell 'Kernel' in addition to being able to build one.

Re:Wait... (4, Interesting)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 3 years ago | (#32332020)

Yeah, and we're so old-fart'ish that at the time when we installed it on our system Slackware was the hottest new thing around.

Over the years every component in our systems might have been replaces 2-3 times each, yet the soul of the machine is still slack.

Re:Wait... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32332258)

So same thing as my Windows then? Ok.

Re:Wait... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32332422)

So basically same thing as my Windows.

Re:Wait... (2, Funny)

dzfoo (772245) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333626)

So, tell me, Oh Wise One, how do do you properly spell 'Kernel'?

        -dZ.

Re:Wait... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331510)

No, I think you're confusing it with Gentoo.

Re:Wait... (2, Interesting)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332612)

True, but I always did do a lot of hand-compiling on my Slackware boxes. The thing is, Slackware offers a great platform for tearing stuff down and tinkering with it, while leaving enough of a world to stand on while you do so. I used Slack on my desktop systems for many years (from 1995) until I discovered Arch [archlinux.org] , which is similar in everything I like about Slack, but with a more powerful package system.

But Slackware is still my preference for any kind of server. It's so simple, I can set it up from bare discs in less than 30 minutes.

Re:Wait... (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333110)

isnt that Gentoo?

Slackware is slightly more hardcore AFAIK, if you just want to compile to max out ur MEGAHURTZ, gentoo is the way to go

Re:wow version 13.1 thats quite a lot of slackin (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32330994)

You're one of those people that stops people laughing at a joke by admitting to some sick personal fetish at a party, aren't you? I can practically hear the humor being sucked out of the air while reading your post. I mean it's not often you see comedy that's more dead than Leno's Clinton jokes, but wow...you've managed to create a fucking rotting corpse here.

Re:wow version 13.1 thats quite a lot of slackin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331270)

Strange... They didn't release version 13.0.13.

I guess the conspiracy must have had something to do with this.

Re:wow version 13.1 thats quite a lot of slackin (0, Offtopic)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332610)

Thirteen isn't really very important, and it's a long, long way to version 23 yet.

No GNOME then? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32330960)

I like how the summary says nothing about including GNOME, which pleases me greatly.

Re:No GNOME then? (4, Informative)

adbge (1693228) | more than 3 years ago | (#32330990)

Slackware hasn't officially packaged GNOME since 2005. There are various community projects [gnomeslackbuild.org] which allow you to use GNOME on Slackware, however.

Re:No GNOME then? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331048)

comprehension fail....

Re:No GNOME then? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331252)

and that's its failing. I used to love kde until they fouled it up with release. 4. That's when I switched to fedora core 12, now fc13 uses kde so I switched over to Ubuntu just today and WOW blown away really. It's the most polished human friendly awesome thing I've ever had the pleasure of using - the missing link of OS'

Re:No GNOME then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331622)

now fc13 uses kde

Grab a different ISO. Fedora's "default" build is with Gnome. Yes, even 13.

Re:No GNOME then? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331832)

I use different distros for different purposes. I even use different operating systems, gasp, for different purposes.

Never really used Ubuntu for mysel

I used to throw Ubuntu on friend's computers that were like, in the guest room, or the family room, or the condo, often the kids' computers.

but the writing was on the wall. with each release that passed ubuntu got a little slower, a little more automagic, which fouled up things in ways that would take hours to fix, compared to seconds in slack.

the latest bruised colored release from canonical is the last straw. i'm done. and fedora? please. i gave that shit up after trying it for an hour after the redhat 10 fiasco.

so my choice of operating systems are slack, centos, freebsd, snow leopard, xp.

ubuntu days are done.

Re:No GNOME then? (3, Informative)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332554)

You're acting like it's either KDE or GNOME. Neither is also an option, you know.

Even for regular users, it's easy to pull together a simple workable desktop using for one example, a ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc file that has everything they need. New programs are easily added to the start menu as needed with a simple text editor. But that isn't even necessary for regular users.

But I know. I know. It doesn't have the complexity of a 'modern desktop' from Microsoft or Apple. It's not at all 'cool.'

Re:No GNOME then? (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333350)

But I know. I know. It doesn't have the complexity of a 'modern desktop' from Microsoft or Apple. It's not at all 'cool.'

And if it doesn't take four hours to start.

Seriously, installed Ubuntu 10.04 and I can't believe how fucking long it takes from login to a ready desktop in my quad-core AMD - it's slower than Win7!

Re:No GNOME then? (0, Redundant)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331018)

Obvious troll is obvious.

Re:No GNOME then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32332266)

"Obvious troll is obvious" is a troll.

Re:No GNOME then? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32332398)

Ok, enough of the 4chanese already.

Re:No GNOME then? (1, Interesting)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331136)

Ok, what's with excluding GNOME?

Re:No GNOME then? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331198)

Ok, what's with excluding GNOME?

IIRC it is too hard to build. I also have the impression that the user base for GNOME and Slackware don't have much overlap.

Re:No GNOME then? (3, Informative)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331216)

It created a lot of extra test/patch load [slashdot.org] for Pat. He uses KDE typically, so it gets a lot of daily use on his desktop. Not so much GNOME.

The "lightweight" desktops (of which XFCE is probably the heaviest) don't involve as much code, or configuration management, so they are shipped in their stock forms. Bugs found in Slackware's XFCE/Blackbox/Fluxbox/etc. should be reported to the programmers.

Re:No GNOME then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32333642)

I use Slackware 13 and Fluxbox on a 1.6 gig deskdop, using xterm, xvdial, XMMS, chrome and thunar as my first choice tools. I can use the xfce or KDE apps if I need further detail or don't fancy hacking text files - which doesn't happen a lot these days! I Slackbuilt OpenOffice specific to my CPU and it opens in six seconds. Oh, and the whole system looks as sexy as Hell, in a polished, utilitarian sort of way (thanksv Deviant Art!). I've even got iTunes running on it as a joke.

With a new lightweight, non-SMP kernel and some processor-specific Slackbuild tweaks, the bastard thing's so responsive it almost pre-empts my fingers, let alone my frop-addled brain. I can only hope 13.0 has a die-hard community out there, 'cause I ain't migrating anywhere if I can help it.

Re:No GNOME then? (5, Interesting)

Excelcia (906188) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331422)

Unfortunately, Slackware hasn't carried GNOME since 2005. Mr. Volkerding dropped it because it was "too much work". There are other third party GNOME packagers for Slackware. However, GNOME isn't just a desktop - it needs support from underneath X for some things, so any set of GNOME packages makes changes to Slackware that are more or less compatible with a basic Slackware install. I used Dropline for a while, but came to the decision that I wanted my desktop to be officially supported on my distro, not an afterthought. And, in the end, the "one-man-distro" concept that Slackware is just wasn't enough any more.

This really made me sad. Slackware is the garage-built Apple II of the Linux world (I figure SLS was the Apple I). Unfortunately, Linux has moved on from what one person can really package together. Slackware losing GNOME was just a symptom of this larger issue. I know for a fact that many people have offered to help Mr. Volkerding with various aspects of Slackware. I know at least one of the major GNOME packagers for Slackware has offered to do all the GNOME work for Slackware. I myself have made the offer too. Mr. Volkerding just doesn't seem interested in a community for Slackware. As I said, a one-man garage OS just isn't enough, unfortunately.

I ended up standardizing on Debian for all my machines. I've ugraded two production machines across three versions of Debian now - it just works, always. Debian is conservative, which is perfect for production machines. And it has real package management.

Every time I see a new Slackware version it makes me sad. Like seeing an old man wheezing on for another birthday. I'd rather see it go now, than continue to bleed marketshare into complete irrelevancy.

Re:No GNOME then? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331572)

Yup - 100% true... it's well-known that Slackware has not had any sort of GUI-support since 2005 when they dropped Gnome.

It's amazing that they even keep X.org packages in mainline.

Oh wait - someone just told me KDE and XFCE are fully-supported! How in the world did you and I both miss that?

Re:No GNOME then? (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331596)

Hey, I hear you. My first Linux installation was with Slackware - stack of 3.5" floppies and a green CD with Bob.

I moved on to Debian ages ago, but I share your warm feeling for Slackware.

Thanks for the replies to other guys here. As for that AC rambling on about Patrick kicking the bucket, the fuck, why are you even here?! Go hang out in MSDN or Apple bullfuckingshit or whatever it's called.

Re:No GNOME then? (2, Insightful)

abigor (540274) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331602)

So you're deploying to servers and yet you're crying a river about the lack of Gnome? What am I missing here?

Re:No GNOME then? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331922)

you're not missing anything my good sir!

the grandparent is missing a boot in his ass.

(lights pipe)

what a wonderful day.

Re:No GNOME then? (3, Funny)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332576)

You know, it's almost 2AM here right now. But you've inspired me.

My wife is fast asleep, so I can do this. I'm lighting up a pipe of burley tobacco, in the house. Something strictly forbidden, but nobody will ever know.

Praise Bob.

Re:No GNOME then? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333564)

What am I missing here?

This: "I ended up standardizing on Debian for all my machines.", because Linux distros are almost the same except for all the tiny little ways they aren't. Particularly if your own desktop doubles as the development/experimental box, it makes perfect sense to run your server distro on your desktop. Of course you can complicate it by running Slackware on your desktop and either work remotely on a Debian machine or deal with any distro variations later in the process, but it's not the KISS solution.

Re:No GNOME then? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331936)

Hm, I always thought that Slackware's conservatism is what made it one of the most stable and unix like that kept it ahead of the pack for me. The server market also doesn't need a lot of extra packages installed either. Gnome libraries would be nice though. I wouldn't mind if he dropped the KDE window manager also. I want stability, not pretty. Xfce is fine. Back to his "roots" on the server/developer side. Easier for one guy to handle. It might sound a bit "Apple" like, but having that kind of control is kind of a good factor in the stability arena. And I don't see him really shutting people out. Otherwise you would be lucky to see an X server at all on his distros (minor exaggeration ok?) But I sure wish he'd please load the vesa driver into the xorg.conf file, since Xorgconfig seems to have gone missing. It works on everything, and I do like using graphical partition managers.. :-)

Re:No GNOME then? (3, Informative)

Riddler Sensei (979333) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332196)

I, personally, would drop my jaw if he dropped KDE from the default package. I may be a rarity but I do use Slackware for my day to day email reading, movie watching, and music listening. It is nice to have that extra bit of eye candy available as an option for us who want to use it.

Re:No GNOME then? (1)

melikamp (631205) | more than 3 years ago | (#32332042)

In defense of Slackware, keeping both Gnome and KDE is redundant. The Ubuntu team (to name just one), apparently, agrees with me. Both DEs serve the same basic purpose: to GUIfy the system configuration and file management. Why would anyone need both? Do you like Gnome? Get a distro with Gnome. Like KDE? Get a distro with KDE. Then there are distros with both of them working, more or less: get one of those if you need to switch every day. But you wouldn't get Slackware anyway, if having a nice DE was that critical to you. Slackware's main strength is transparency; I use Slackware because I want a very fine level of control, and I don't want the system to do anything without me telling it to. Ergo, I use neither Gnome nor KDE, but WindowMaker, a WM so sublime, it still feels like a modern desktop, even though not a single update came through in 4 years.

And like others noted, what are these "production systems" that need Gnome? What part of Gnome is so critical to your server or build environment? If you know what you are doing, or if you are poised to learn how the system works, you will be using XFCE or lighter. There is nothing I can think of that KDE or Gnome will do for you that you cannot accomplish in seconds in bash. (Some tasks may require scripting, but that's what Gnome does too, right? Except that it does a lot of other things, which screws you over in the long run.)

Re:No GNOME then? (4, Funny)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332586)

to GUIfy the system configuration and file management.

Get real. That's what curses is for.

or TCL/TK if you insist on being fancy.

Re:No GNOME then? (0)

melikamp (631205) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332792)

Curses? I don't think GUI means what you think it means.

Re:No GNOME then? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32333266)

Curses? I don't think GUI means what you think it means.

Whoosh!

Re:No GNOME then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32333364)

Curses! Foiled again.

Re:No GNOME then? (1)

McDutchie (151611) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332518)

This really made me sad. Slackware is the garage-built Apple II of the Linux world (I figure SLS was the Apple I). Unfortunately, Linux has moved on from what one person can really package together.

Has it? Somehow PV manages just fine with KDE and XFCE. Apparently, GNOME is the only thing that has moved on from what one person can really package together. I'd say that says a lot more about GNOME than it does about Linux, or Slackware.

(Never mind that, contrary to popular belief, PV has a team of helpers, residing mostly at slackbuilds.org.)

Every time I see a new Slackware version it makes me sad. Like seeing an old man wheezing on for another birthday. I'd rather see it go now, than continue to bleed marketshare into complete irrelevancy.

Boo hoo. You're just whining because PV is still snubbing GNOME for being a convoluted piece of crap.

Re:No GNOME then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32332858)

No Gnome, as it sucks a**, as does Python, Kde is waaay more efficient!
And if You think Slack is lame, switch to Mega-Little!
My production servers run Slack - ye ancient versions.
Troll haha!

Re:No GNOME then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32333004)

I am so sick of hearing this shit in regards to linux. "Market Share"

Fuck that, Slackware is not about market share, nor is linux. Linux is technology, and slackware is a prime example of that technology in a raw form. It's never been for everyone.

It's a fine distro for those who want to get their hands dirty and learn. I'm also sure Mr. Volkerding has fun building slackware as well. It is actually a great feeling when even in 2010, you can still build a linux system the old way, and it works. In stark contrast to ubuntu, which is becoming as complex as windows and OSX. It's a testament to how flexible linux really is.

With Slack, it's about technology, not marketability. Get the fuck out.

Re:No GNOME then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32333160)

first sane post this thread, and i use ubuntu.

Re:No GNOME then? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32333400)

I ended up standardizing on Debian for all my machines.

I ended up standardizing on one size fits all tees for all the family. The dog looks stupid but they're a better fit on him than the goldfish.

I've ugraded two production machines across three versions of Debian now - it just works, always.
  Debian is conservative, which is perfect for production machines.

I use Arch which has a rolling release cycle, the entire concept of upgrading through OS versions is a holdover from the days of physical media. The only OS version should be the date of the snapshot you use to bootstrap. That whole conservative distro thing, as applied to Debian, is nonsense. Running stable software does not and has never practically implied running last years software releases.

And it has real package management.

I never understood the criticisms of slackware there. I used to package stuff for servers, for desktops I used to maintain (compile) everything manually. That was the idea, Slackware was the no-nonsense base system and the administrator took care of the rest. With Arch, I package everything because it's so easy. With Debian and derivatives, the majority of users appear to use the default packages; OpenSSL for example :-o

a one-man garage OS just isn't enough

Really? I've been thinking of doing one to address some of the braindeadisms that afflict most distros. No PAM, no UUID identifiers for drives, no KMS switching to non-24*80 text resolutions unless specifically configured to do so... Or perhaps the time has come for me to check out Slackware again?

Re:No GNOME then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32333528)

Every time I see a new Slackware version it makes me sad. Like seeing an old man wheezing on for another birthday. I'd rather see it go now, than continue to bleed marketshare into complete irrelevancy.

Sorry but you're just wrong. You are entitled to your opinion of course but you're plain wrong in the analysis that it's bleeding market share or getting worse and worse. What does market share even mean when talking linux distros??! Why does it matter how many people use a specific distro? As long as Pat himself and as many other people as he feel is necessary is happy with Slackware, that's all Slackware needs.

As for my opinion: Slackware 13 was the best one yet, maybe with exception of 12.2, and I'm going to upgrade to 13.1 as soon as I can, probably tonight after work :) And dropping Gnome btw. was the single best decision he made in a long, long time. KDE is simply light years ahead of Gnome now so there is no reason to keep flogging a dead horse (Gnome).

What is this obsession? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32334124)

What is this obsession with insisting that technology "die"? Slackware has a strong core following, and many other people find it perfectly suitable, even preferable, for what they do. I know I do -- both on my desktop at home and my servers at work.

You find that Debian better suits your needs. That's great, but why does that give you the urge to claim that slackware is "dying"? There's no contest here. Nobody is in competition with you.

Do us a favor and lose the immature "everything is dying but my favorite technology" chip on your shoulder. It doesn't do us any good -- we're going to keep on using slackware because it sure as hell isn't "dying" for us.

Comfort food (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331044)

Slackware release announcement on slashdot is like fried chicken dinner to me. Is Patrick still at it?

Re:Comfort food (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331068)

patrick is deader than bSD, and that's sayin something!

Re:Comfort food (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32332378)

No, but there is annual speculation in a.o.l.s. about what will happen when he is inevitably hit by a bus.

After a half dozen distros (5, Interesting)

by (1706743) (1706744) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331056)

on 4 architectures, I still have a special place in my heart for Slackware (though I use Arch and Debian on my main boxes now). Great distribution -- I even sent Pat "The Man" Volkerding home-made cookies when he was sick [slashdot.org] .

As the adage goes, Give a man Debian, and he'll learn Debian. Give a man SUSE, and he'll learn SUSE. But give a man Slackware, and he'll learn Linux. I certainly picked up more *NIX tricks from Slack than the other distros combined.

Re:After a half dozen distros (5, Funny)

gmrath (751453) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331134)

It's a little early yet, but I wonder: will there be any comments written by the slashdotter whose sig is '"Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me"'?

Re:After a half dozen distros (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331260)

Well, should he come, you can tell him that the original version with Debian made a lot more sense.

Re:After a half dozen distros (2, Funny)

xtracto (837672) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332630)

I LOLed because my sig is almost like that... maybe there was someone else or you mistook my sig for that (btw, I got my sig from another slashddoter)

Re:After a half dozen distros (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331190)

Although I have been using Slackware since '96, a few months ago I tried several distributions to revive my wife's broken Toshiba notebook mainly hoping to find a distro that is "more user friendly" than Slackware, and after two weeks I just gave up and installed Slackware 12. She found it more pleasing than Windows XP that was on it earlier.
The internal WiFi card gave some trouble but worked fine after some tweaks. Sure, there are some "Pleasing" distros out there but if functionality and stability are of higher priority, nothing beats Slakware.

Thank you Patrick and the team!

Re:After a half dozen distros (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332668)

...mainly hoping to find a distro that is "more user friendly" than Slackware, and after two weeks I just gave up and installed Slackware 12.

I had my wife using Slackware 8.0 through 10. She is not a techie of any kind, but there is nothing unfriendly about Slackware once it is fully set up as a desktop machine. She eventually went over to using Macs because she decided she wanted to use EndNote [endnote.com] to handle bibliographic referencing in her PhD thesis, since at the time there was nothing available that was nearly as good.

Re:After a half dozen distros (5, Insightful)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331426)

I also cut my teeth on Linux with Slackware and used it for years, and it's the only reason I learned what I did about Linux. After switching to Ubuntu, I naturally got lazy and now I barely know what is happening on my own system. I can't remember the last time I compiled my own kernel, or really dug through "/etc" to figure out what everything does. That quote about Slackware has been around for a long time, and it has really earned the reputation as being THE distro to learn if you want to understand Linux. Its design is so clean and simple that it isn't nearly as intimidating as some people would expect. It also gives you a true appreciation for the elegance of the Unix design. Slackware is old school, from the era of beige boxes and Linux people who did things the old Unix way. It comes from the best place in the Linux tradition.

Patrick ("The Man") is also a stand-up guy who has been doing basically everything for the distro from the very beginning. He's a living legend in Linux history, and he had the guts to make the right call to drop GNOME when it became too convoluted to maintain. He also gave Slackware the Subgenius trappings, and is otherwise a true long-haired geek who really GETS the Unix philosophy and does things the Right Way.

Re:After a half dozen distros (4, Informative)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331896)

Lazy may have little to do with it. Between fundamental changes in the way kernel handles various parts of the systems (what the heck is /sys anyway) and the move from actually setting something up to having things automated there are very few underlying fundamental things you can now change yourself when tinkering with a modern user friendly system like Ubuntu.

For one thing try and get Ubuntu to StartX with no screen attached. With older distros some level of xconfig would allow me to run X on a virtual framebuffer, but not Ubuntu. If Ubuntu isn't able to detect it via hotplug it just doesn't exist. Suppose you manually massage your fstab file then the gui filesystem utility in ubuntu breaks. In my case it's able unmount but not remount any file systems.

Re:After a half dozen distros (4, Informative)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332708)

He's a living legend in Linux history, and he had the guts to make the right call to drop GNOME when it became too convoluted to maintain.

Pat's a great guy, but his dropping GNOME pissed off a lot of people too, though I understand his reasoning. KDE was at the time a lot easier to build, while GNOME was riddled with circular dependencies that made maintaining it a bitch of a job.

Fortunately for GNOME fans, the job was ably taken up by maintainers of the Dropline GNOME [droplinegnome.org] distribution. I have the impression they're getting a bit tired of it now, but others are around to fill the gap.

Re:After a half dozen distros (2, Informative)

muckracer (1204794) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333232)

> Fortunately for GNOME fans, the job was ably taken up by maintainers of the Dropline GNOME distribution.

Well, for the record Dropline had already existed at that time. In fact, BECAUSE it existed Pat saw the need for GNOME on Slackware already taken care of and chose to remove it from the main distro ('if you want it, then install Dropline!).

Re:After a half dozen distros (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331544)

Yeah, that's how it is for me too. On Ubuntu now, but still have fond memories of Slackware and, IIRC, downloading the A, AP, D, N and L series and throwing them on floppies for each release. I started out with the first Linux that could use UMSDOS, which outside of minor speed issues and incorrectly creating filenames in the DOS tree with the + character in them worked quite nicely for running Linux on top of a MS-DOS filesystem. Even remember using slirp to run SLIP over a dialup shell account to get the computer online properly like any Unix system, rather than accessing everything through a shell prompt on a terminal. I can't remember if Trumpet Winsock was even out yet.

Good times. Wish I could say they taught me deep things about Linux, but I did learn C and C++ out of the deal. Glad to see Slackware is still going.

Re:After a half dozen distros (0, Troll)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331600)

But give a man Slackware, and he'll learn Linux.

You misquoted, I think. It should probably be: Give a man Slackware, and he'll go right back to Microsoft. Good lord those were terrible experiences the two or three times I tried Slasckware. Granted, that was years ago, and I'm sure it's come a long way.

Or: Give a man Linux Mint and he can get shit done without having to worry about learning every last detail about how and why his expensive tool occasionally works and usually doesn't work; it just works.

Re:After a half dozen distros (3, Interesting)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 3 years ago | (#32332002)

Give a man Slackware, and he'll go right back to Microsoft. Good lord those were terrible experiences the two or three times I tried Slackware.

Speak for yourself. In 1998, I was dual-booting Windows 95 and Linux. When my Windows caught the Chernobyl virus, I lost my partition tables, and the rest of my data with it. I went 100% Linux, Slackware at the time, and never looked back. I did explore other Linux distros over a 4-year period (2002-2006), but eventually I came back to Slackware. You never forget your first love.

Amazingly enough, in 2001, I had set up my parents with a Mandrake system. It was my mother's idea, based on my high praise for Linux's transparency and comparative stability. I tried to talk her out of it, but when she pointed out that it wouldn't crash as often as Windows (making lighter support work for me), I was convinced. Today, she uses Fedora 12 and loves it.

Even back in 1998, I could see that there were great possibilities and ideas that could make a wonderful OS, and Linux was a lot closer to them than Windows was. Now, twelve years later, I still haven't seen any reason to allow a Microsoft OS under my roof.

Re:After a half dozen distros (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332500)

Amazingly enough, in 2001, I had set up my parents with a Mandrake system.

Ah, Mandrake. My first real attempt to use a distro (I mucked around with RH5 for a few hours). 8.1. Good distro.
I still have a soft spot for Mandriva -- in fact, my EeePC runs Mandriva One 2010.

Re:After a half dozen distros (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332534)

By 1998 I had learned enough Unix from running Slackware to switch to NetBSD. Things were getting shrill by that point in Linux-land. There came a day when I wanted to install a freenix on my laptop over NFS. I used a Slackware based NFS server, but the PC-Card services for Linux were an ugly side-car diskette that you had to insert. NetBSD had the PCMCIA NIC I was using simply built into the base installer kernel.

And... almost everything I need to do to use and configure my NetBSD systems, I can get from reading the 'classic' Unix books and manuals. For configuring X11, for instance, volumes 3 and 8 of the X Window System manuals published by O'Reilly have almost all the answers.

All the fancy new shit is just people huffing Microsoft's tailpipe fumes, IMHO. But I don't really care much.

Slackware was and is cool. It's about the only version of Linux I'd ever have interest in checking out these days.

Re:After a half dozen distros (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32333510)

Give a man Slackware, and he'll go right back to Microsoft

It's a feature. Slackware does a great job at selecting its users.

Re:After a half dozen distros (1)

higuita (129722) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333912)

No, you are wrong, you still dont understand slackware...

if YOU want to *learn*, you MUST get the hands dirty and do the needed things... research, read scripts, read man pages and howtos, even compile.... slackware is perfect for that!

if you dont want to to learn about the details, then slackware is not for you, no matter how "c00l" it might make you look!

if you want a distro to use and dont care how things work, use ubuntu, mint, mandriva and use the mouse, bullets and drop-down boxes

if i want to learn how a car work, you have to pick your ass up, release the steering wheel and go check the engine, the bottom of the car, the breaks, the gears, fuses, etc... if you feel like it, disassemble the motor!! no matter what, you will need to get your hands dirty.

a blinking oil lamp and break lights might be easy, but is not enough to "learn how stuff works".
so you dont want to lean how a car works? fine, don't mess with the engine, please!

Re:After a half dozen distros (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331774)

Linux is a smelly turd.

Re:After a half dozen distros (2, Funny)

eosp (885380) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331834)

Learn Slackware and you learn Linux. Learn Gentoo and you are Linux.

Re:After a half dozen distros (5, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332728)

Learn Gentoo and you are Linux.

Not so sure I'd agree that. Most people I know who learn Gentoo are simply following a cookbook. If you really want to feel that you're in control, giving Linux From Scratch a try is a good idea, but most of us wouldn't want the burden of trying to maintain a desktop system with that.

Re:After a half dozen distros (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#32333096)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [archive.org] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com] ' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org] .

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [archive.org] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Re:After a half dozen distros (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333352)

But give a man Slackware, and he'll learn Linux.

He will learn Linux (and other Unixes), but he will use other Linux distro later. In my case I started with Slackware and ended up with Debian.

I love me some Slack (5, Interesting)

Riddler Sensei (979333) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331114)

I started using Slackware when I began college, and I still use it today. I'm sort of a "medium" user. I can work the scripts and the config files, and I even compiled some custom kernels in the past. But I'm not a CS guy - I majored in music. Even I, with my liberal arts degree, find Slackware delightful to use and I appreciate it's lack of fluff and its overall feel of being MY computer.

I salute you Pat. May you keep on Slacking.

Re:I love me some Slack (1)

xandroid (680978) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332386)

Me too!

(Well, I majored in Chinese. But during my first month in China, before I knew any of the language, my preferred method of coping with culture shock and homesickness was recompiling some 2.4.2x kernel to try to get my laptop to work with the weird networking setup they had at the school I was living in. Trial-and-error style too since their computer guy didn't speak a lick of English, he only knew how to click the buttons on Windows 95 in Chinese. Fun times!)

(Oh yeah I played a bunch of Unreal too.)

Yeah but it is jvgdpoius gjbsaat99 (0, Offtopic)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331120)

My cat as super mental powers and he commands you to dfhw y;p942 yt;l4ewgr,sfdxzlf on your mnbvhvJVMmsjvkivhwakvlf PIwaf9ipi with the 9yr4320yr5432 t42\g w -e\-fw-f-fewq\- !!!!!!!! DO NOT DELAY or you will be DOOOOOMERD!!!!

But... (0, Troll)

NetServices (1479949) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331366)

Better than Gentoo?

Re:But... (2, Interesting)

shadowknot (853491) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333326)

Better than Gentoo?

Well, I'd say that it's different but similar; not better or worse. Gentoo is great when you want to spend hours building and configuring the ultimate speed machine you don't have to update too often. Slackware is great if you want to get a simple, reliable and (not quite as) fast system up and running in about an hour (sometimes less). I switched from Gentoo to Debian then hastily to Slack back in about '00 and have been using Slack since. Other distros just feel bloated now; I recently tested out Ubuntu 10.4 and although it is very polished and great for non technical users I still just can't get past the fact that it seems overweight to me and I don't like the fact that I have to set the root password after install. The whole "protect the user from themselves" philosophy just doesn't wash with me.

Congratulations to the Slackware team (3, Informative)

seyyah (986027) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331410)

I've been running current, which is now equivalent to 13.1 and it's working well.

A reminder to all: please seed the SW torrents and come to Linux Questions [linuxquestions.org] to discuss problems.

Damn, now I'm two versions behind! (1)

GRH (16141) | more than 3 years ago | (#32331424)

I'm still using Slack 12.2 on my work laptop. The trouble is that VMware Workstation has to work, and new kernel versions inevitably cause problems for VMware until they catch up. Pain in the ass, really.

At home, I migrated over to BSD years ago, which was easy to do after learning all of Linux's internals running Slackware.

Keep up the great work Patrick!

Re:Damn, now I'm two versions behind! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331604)

I've been running Vmware Workstation 7.0.1 on 2.6.34 for a while with Arch, zero issues, just fyi!

Re:Damn, now I'm two versions behind! (3, Interesting)

DamnStupidElf (649844) | more than 3 years ago | (#32332000)

Is VMWare a work requirement? If not, is kvm an option? I'm using kvm on slackware64 13.0 at work with no problems. An Ethertap bridge or qemu's userspace NAT works fine with Windows in an AD environment (although there are some limitations with userspace NAT). The Windows VirtIO drivers for disk and network were pretty easy to get working.

Re:Damn, now I'm two versions behind! (2, Insightful)

TheTurtlesMoves (1442727) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333272)

One reason i am using slackware on all my home machines, is that you really don't need to upgrade. One desktop is running slack 13, the laptop and one more desktop is running 12.2. If its not broke --don't fix it.

Another modest announcement from Slackware (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32331788)

Another modest announcement for a release that doesn't promise to change the world or make you hip.

Slackware: It gets the damn work done. Without the fancy.

Is he ok? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32332094)

I hope he's doing well.

I salute you Pat (2, Informative)

kokoko1 (833247) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332238)

Being a slackware users and still love to follow slackware release and love to see that 'The Man' the living legend is working hard to give the community the stable and secure Linux. I salute you Pat and congrats on releasing Slackware 13.1

recent convert (2, Interesting)

DreadPirateShawn (1246208) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332580)

I'm admittedly a Johnny-come-lately Linux user, a mid-ish 20's (three cubed!) developer who switched to Linux (openSuSE) last spring. Loved it. Then a month ago, I (re)stumbled upon Slackware, which the online distro choosers (I know, I know) said was a match for me -- great performance mixed with not-quite-crazy learning curve, and even the learning curve would give me oh-so-adaptable "purity of Unix" skills. While downloading this new toy, I met Bob, who truly changed my life -- I became a fledgling member of the Church of the SubGenius. Later, while installing, upon seeing that one of the options was "Newbie: Use verbose prompting (the X series takes one year)"... that, my friends, is when I knew I was truly home.

award-winning KDE desktop environment... (1, Insightful)

1s44c (552956) | more than 2 years ago | (#32332724)

Can someone enlighten me as to what awards KDE has won since it started with version 4?

As far as I can tell KDE 4 is still an overcomplicated mess and a long, long way behind the simple elegance of KDE 3.

Re:award-winning KDE desktop environment... (3, Insightful)

TheTurtlesMoves (1442727) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333204)

Well there was the "cool background image" award from '03, the "don't release dev version to the public" award for KDE 4 (though i understand that has more to do distros carrying it too early). Then there was "doesn't sux as much as gnome and doesn't use the memory of windows" award in '05.

Seriously though "simple elegance" is not a description i would use for kde 3.5 kede 4 or gnome. I say this typing on kde 3.5 and the other machine in the room uses kde 4 (its fine, don't know what the fuss is about). When i want simple elegance outside a command line, I stick with icewm.

Re:award-winning KDE desktop environment... (3, Funny)

tokul (682258) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333366)

Can someone enlighten me as to what awards KDE has won since it started with version 4?

Nominated for Darwin award. "How to f*** up things" category.

Already?? (1)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 2 years ago | (#32333008)

Man, and I was just getting used to 13.0 13.0-64... I should really read the ChnageLog more often!!

Great job Pat & crew, and here is to another great release of the best Linux distro ever!

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