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Will Steve Ballmer Speak At WWDC Keynote?

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the stranger-things-have-happened dept.

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truthsearch writes "An analyst reports that not only will CEO Steve Jobs return to Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference stage — he missed last year for medical reasons — but he will be joined there by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. Global Equities Research analyst Trip Chowdrey said that Microsoft has been given seven minutes during Jobs' keynote to talk about Visual Studio 2010. Chowdrey said that a new version of the development tools software will support native applications for the iPhone, iPad, and Mac OS." Update: 05/27 19:17 GMT by T : As reader theappwhisperer points out, Microsoft has responded to this rumor via the company's Twitter feed with an unequivocal No.

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huh? (1)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363668)

Is it April already?

In all seriousness, I might welcome Visual Studio for the Mac.

Re:huh? (2, Interesting)

Altus (1034) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363858)

This doesn't sound like they will port it to the mac. In fact I think that would be pretty bad, the UI is just totally in apropirate. It sounds more like apple is trying to find a way to let people develop for the iPhone and the iPad (and maybe the mac as well) using a PC. This could be very useful for iPhone developers.

While I'm not sure developing mac applications on windows makes much sense, it could be very nice for setting up automated build machines in a mixed platform development environment.

Re:huh? (0, Offtopic)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363984)

They're both very afraid of the waking Linux juggernaut, so it makes sense they'd team up to combat it. They've both recently has their asses kicked separately by it via Google and co, so they probably realize they need to work together.

Kind of like The Joker and Two Face teaming up to take on Batman.

Re:huh? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364130)

They're both very afraid of the waking Linux juggernaut

You didn't really just say that, did you? Are you fucking retarded? In other news, Disney and Dreamworks will be teaming up, as they're afraid of the walking juggernaut that is me, since I just installed Blender.

Re:huh? (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364266)

You are replying to a person whos signature is a link to 10 reasons why Java is better than .NET.

I'm pretty sure "fucking retarded" is an understatement. Its like listing 10 reasons why a Toyota Camry is better than a Harley.

Re:huh? (0, Offtopic)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364330)

How so? Anyone who's used both know .NET is a knock off of Java (not to say Java is entirely original itself, but it's clearly .NET's main inspiration). I understand your confusion though. For non developer types, Microsoft has a done a great job making it unclear what .NET was/is.

It's like saying a Chevy is better than a one off secret uber car from the guy who designed the Hindenburg.

Re:huh? (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364450)

juggernaut

a massive inexorable force, campaign, movement, or object that crushes whatever is in its path

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32363952)

more like .NET for mac os x & iPhone

Re:huh? (1)

xfurious (832436) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364582)

Right, so Apple changed their developer agreement to not allow .NET just in time to partner with MS to introduce the only sanctioned .NET implementation, thus cutting Mono out.... I don't really see the benefit to Apple for having .NET on iPhoneOS, especially since they don't need Microsoft's cash handouts (see the recent news about Apple's worth). Don't get me wrong, they should do it, but the double standard just ain't gonna last.

Re:huh? (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363978)

In all seriousness, I might welcome Visual Studio for the Mac.

I guess they're going to add a compiler for Obj-C? "Obj-C.net, horrible syntax isn't just on the Mac anymore! Get your copy of @interface Windows *[@implementation Visual_Studio 2010] today!".

Re:huh? (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364296)

Apple could add an object-C compiler for Visual Studio any time they want. Visual Studio does not restrict what compilers can be on the backside, for instance ICC and GCC both work well under VS.

Re:huh? (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364154)

I kind of like the idea of rivals being friendly with each other. Better than the alternative... extremism. Not really sure what an OS extremist would do, though.

Anyway, I'm sure MS Office is still pretty big on Mac OS.
And iTunes on Windows probably pulls in a decent amount of money for Apple.

So there are plenty of benefits to being able to play well with others.

Re:huh? (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364370)

Anyway, I'm sure MS Office is still pretty big on Mac OS.

Microsoft is a software company, after all. They have pretty much always provided software for Apple computers, dating as far back as the Apple II. They even saved Apples ass once.

Re:huh? (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364550)

Heck I'd LOVE Visual Studio for the Mac. Just from a personal preference standpoint, I find Visual Studio far easier to keep things straight in comparison to Xcode.

DoJ dodging (4, Insightful)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363678)

Seems like they're trying to dodge the DoJ by adding "competition."

Regardless this is pretty nice, it means I can developed for my iPad/Phone/Pod on my core i7 desktop rather then my 4 year old iMac.

They don't have to worry about the DOJ anymore (0, Troll)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363762)

They've learned their lesson and are now paying "protection" money in the form of political contributions.

Re:They don't have to worry about the DOJ anymore (1)

spydum (828400) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364248)

Sadly, I'm not sure this comment warranted a troll rating..

Re:DoJ dodging (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364178)

Seems like they're trying to dodge the DoJ by adding "competition."

No one has yet explained what dev tools have to do with competition law for a platform with 20% of the market. This is just another rumor based upon speculation about other speculation. Don't hold your breath.

Rubbish (4, Insightful)

DavidR1991 (1047748) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363708)

It won't be MSVC. It'll be the new Office for Mac introduction.

Re:Rubbish (3, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363798)

And maybe also official Windows 7 support via boot camp. Why else give him seven minutes?

Re:Rubbish (4, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363882)

Six for dancing and sweating, one for talking.

Re:Rubbish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364084)

where is the chair?

Re:Rubbish (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364104)

I think that Balmer will drop his pants and let Steve blow him. That's what *I* think will happen.

Re:Rubbish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364120)

No chair throwing?

Re:Rubbish (4, Interesting)

dc29A (636871) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363808)

Or Bing as default search engine for Safari ... The enemy of my enemy is my friend you know ...

Re:Rubbish (2, Insightful)

Cronock (1709244) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363894)

I will die a little inside if this happens. I do suspect Apple to do something like this, but I know I'll be changing it right away. Even though Google is staring to become the Evil it once denounced, it's still a great search engine.

Re:Rubbish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364102)

I really don't care for their latest redesign. Even worse, "groups" no longer means usenet, it now means "forums". Some info is only available on usenet.

Re:Rubbish (1)

Otterley (29945) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364286)

Why? Bing has a fine search engine, no worse than Google's nowadays.

Re:Rubbish (1)

xfurious (832436) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364686)

Albeit I haven't invested the time to really know Bing, I can say that any time I end up using a search engine other than Google (usually when I'm fixing someone else's computer who prefers something else), I actually have to craft my search query and look through maybe 10 results to find what I want. Maybe Google just knows what I want because I've used it so much, but it seems sometimes like I can type "my little pony" and it will recognize that I wanted the PHP reference for the substr function. And I did!

Re:Rubbish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364578)

Google is staring to become the Evil

You fucking catchphrase bandwagon jumping retards crack me up. So, what evil are you talking about, troll? Google is winning its market share by delivering a great product that people want to actually, you know, use. No bundling, stifling competition, lock-in, or otherwise shifty bullshit that your precious Apple and MS do. They have a hell of a long way to approach the multiple levels of Evil that is MS or Apple. But, keep on riding that bandwagon of hate and keep on sucking off Steve and Steve. I'm sure they both really do love you.

Re:Rubbish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364496)

...Bing as default search engine for Safari...

What a hideous thought. But Balmer doesn't need to make a speech at an Apple developer's conference for that to come about.

Re:Rubbish (0, Troll)

inKubus (199753) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364000)

Yep, with Exchange finally. And Apple admitting that they lack an enterprise suite. Yeah, Xserve IMAP Mail is not going to cut it in the year 2010. Thank god, because I've got 50 mac desktops at work and Entourage wasn't cutting it ;) Apple doesn't give a rat's ass about email, so they might as well let Exchange in. Plus Unified Communications is going to be huge on the consumer front (already getting big in business) and the iPad is one more convenient format to get your video phone in.

Re:Rubbish (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364180)

I'd love to see enterprise applications available for XServes. Having Exchange, Active Directory, SQL Server, Sharepoint, and other items that are a core part of a company running on an other OS than Windows would be nice. If only for the fact that having a non mainstream OS means that Joe Script Kiddie won't have an exploit for it, and exploits that work happily on Windows just wouldn't work on OS X.

Exchange is the de facto standard for communication in businesses. Having it be able to be run (with its requisite, Active Directory) on a non Windows platform would be great.

Of course, I'd like to see it available for all UNIX variants, but OS X is a start.

Re:Rubbish (1)

yabos (719499) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364308)

Why would they announce a new Office at a developer keynote? That doesn't make any sense. That said, Ballmer being there for any reason doesn't make sense either.

Bound to be a big win (3, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363712)

I feel certain that most Apple developers would rather stick needles in their eyes than use Visual Studio. For one thing, it's more visually appealing.

Re:Bound to be a big win (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32363760)

I feel certain that most Apple developers would rather stick needles in their eyes than use Visual Studio. For one thing, it's more visually appealing.

Yes, but only for the people watching the developers stick needles in their eyes.

Re:Bound to be a big win (4, Insightful)

Ares (5306) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363856)

having used apple's developer tools after spending years using microsoft's, let me assure you that apple's ease of use advantage ends when you open up xcode. sure you get used to gui design in interface builder, but vs is still orders of magnitude easier. therefore, the only developers who would rather stick needles in their eyes than use microsoft tools are those who have never used microsoft tools to begin with.

this, of course, makes no commentary on the quality of code that ultimately results from the use of the respective tools, just the ease of use of the tools themselves.

Re:Bound to be a big win (3, Interesting)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363966)

Basically what you said, I think its not so much about Apple Developers choosing Visual Studio, but Visual Studio developers being able to work on Apple Applications.

Re:Bound to be a big win (1)

Ares (5306) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364134)

exactly. its hard to complain about a free product, and i doubt there will be many mac os/iphone/ipad developers who will rush out to spend several hundred dollars on vs for the mac to replace the xcode that apple gives away for free in their development environment.

more likely, microsoft sees the app store for what it is, a cash cow for apple. its thinking may well be that by moving vs to the mac, it can capitalize on developers' existing code bases necessitating only a build step for those developers to target windows mobile and its own app store. is microsoft ever going to divulge this to apple? hell no, but i wouldn't be surprised if that's what they were thinking with this.

Re:Bound to be a big win (0, Flamebait)

johnrpenner (40054) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364142)

> having used apple's developer tools after spending years using microsoft's,
> let me assure you that apple's ease of use advantage ends when..

you're used to a homogenous environment for years, and then when you enter a new land -- nothing in a sensible world makes sense to you -- because you're already pre-damaged by borg-think. ;->

--
even every strange land is a home for someone else (jrp)

Re:Bound to be a big win (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364214)

MacOS X 10.5 added kernel-level hooks for a kext to handle CLR launching. Seeing as this is WWDC, not some random consumer-level show, I'd bet Apple has finally decided to integrate Mono (or possibly a direct port of .Net) into MacOS X 10.7, and they're getting Microsoft to show off VS2010 for the Mac (since VS2010 is substantially rewritten in WPF/WCF/W-some-other-.Net-library-that-replaces-Win32-cruft). If there is a Mac edition of VS2010, it will support VB, C#, F#, ASP.NET, and DLR support. Maybe the SQL Server client stuff too. But you can bet your left nut that C++ isn't going to happen. Also, Cassini won't happen, as it would require partially porting IIS to the Mac. (Cassini is the built-in VS web server that runs locally when you're developing ASP.NET sites without IIS.)

Apple would go along with this because it gives them one more way to lock down the iPhone development landscape (everything must be .Net!) while allowing a Flash-alike (Silverlight), but not actually allowing Flash (thank god).

Microsoft would benefit by indoctrinating that many more programmers with .Net and the VS tools. (Only a fate worse than death if you're a Lunix fanboi.)

Re:Bound to be a big win (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364394)

while allowing a Flash-alike (Silverlight), but not actually allowing Flash (thank god).

Now THAT is an interesting idea.

Re:Bound to be a big win (1)

hatchet (528688) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364512)

This would benefit microsoft - getting bunch of new developers and enterprise customers. And it would also help apple, by getting tons of applications that run (without recompile) on both platforms. This would be simply amazing. And close partnership between apple and microsoft is direct take on google.

Re:Bound to be a big win (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364090)

I was just talking about the visual aspects themselves, not necessarily the "user experience". Seriously, I find it hard to believe that Microsoft has gone whole-hog using Apple's widgets and UI paradigms; more likely, they've put an abstraction layer between VS's native Windows widget calls and the OS's widget services.

Re:Bound to be a big win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364110)

No - switching after years of working on something is ALWAYS going to be hard. Sure it was hard to learn XCode after I have been using Eclipse for years, after a year in XCode I'm quite happy with it.

Give a new developer XCode and Visual Studio - see which he likes better.

Re:Bound to be a big win (1)

Ares (5306) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364250)

Give a new developer XCode and Visual Studio - see which he likes better.

that'd make a hell of an experiment.

I didn't find Xcode in any way deficient (4, Insightful)

melted (227442) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364116)

And I had been using Microsoft tools for 15 years before looking at them. Sure, it's jarring at first, but you get used to it. Apple's APIs on the other hand, completely blow Microsoft Win32 out of the water. It's not even close.

Re:I didn't find Xcode in any way deficient (3, Insightful)

Ares (5306) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364358)

And I had been using Microsoft tools for 15 years before looking at them. Sure, it's jarring at first, but you get used to it.

definitely. and it doesn't take a terribly long time for it either. i was looking at it from the perspective that apple has traditionally concentrated on ease of use in its entire environment. having to manually set up outlets and actions in the code so that they can be referenced by ib seems counterintuitive to that history. with vs on the other hand, it "just happens". i.e., double click on a button in the ui view and you get its onclick event handler. if it doesn't exist, it gets created.

Apple's APIs on the other hand, completely blow Microsoft Win32 out of the water. It's not even close.

you ain't kidding on that. even compared to mfc, apple wins. how microsoft managed to promote mfc for years without registry and security attribute classes representing critical aspects of the underlying operating system is beyond me.

Re:I didn't find Xcode in any way deficient (2, Insightful)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364666)

Apple's APIs on the other hand, completely blow Microsoft Win32 out of the water.

That's hardly a fair comparison. The Win32 API is 15+ years old. It was built to support the previous 16-bit Win16 API. It spans the development of about 8 major operating systems.

Newer portions of the Windows API being introduced with Vista and Win7 are a lot better than most of the older stuff and the integration of .NET into Windows has pretty much given you a completely re-written object-oriented approach to the Win32 API (still lacking some of the more low-level stuff, but interop exists for the few cases you need those).

Re:Bound to be a big win (1)

yabos (719499) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364352)

The only hard concept for me was hooking the UI up to code. In VS you double click on some UI element and it creates the action code for you. With IB and XCode you create the action code manually and CTRL+drag a link from the widget to the code. A little more work but once you get used to it it's not so hard.

Re:Bound to be a big win (1)

FictionPimp (712802) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364436)

I honestly like xcode better then visual studio 2005 (the last version I have used). Personally I like the thinnest IDE I can get. I find xcode to be a little heavy sometimes, but I find VS to be in my way most of the time.

Re:Bound to be a big win (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364488)

VS2010 is much cleaner than the previous versions. Built on Presentation Foundation instead of WinForms. You might want to check it out.

I wouldn't be surprised. (1)

Cronock (1709244) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363782)

I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to do some type of strategic alliance to scare Google a little bit. Now that both Apple and MS see Google as a threat to their interests, it's a very interesting turn of events, for sure.

Re:I wouldn't be surprised. (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363942)

Because Apple can hope to achieve victory by teaming up with a company that couldn't even topple Yahoo during its days of glory.

Re:I wouldn't be surprised. (1)

Cronock (1709244) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364022)

This would be more advantageous for MS, of course. Apple could have better allies. I would predict this this would be more of a shot across the Google's bow than actually productive for Apple.

Re:I wouldn't be surprised. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364424)

Apple has been MS's lapdog for many years now. It's just the old guard circling the wagons. Ever wondered why every single bit of Apple's user-facing software that is cross-platform only works on Mac and Windows computers? iTunes, Safari, QuickTime. And the other way around: Silverlight, Office. Fuck them both; I hope Google eats them alive.

Flash is de debbil (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363860)

Based on Jobs' comments about Flash, he probably feels Ballmer is a pioneer and great friend of freedom and openness, and should be welcomed with open arms.

Maybe they will make all the Apple stuff adopt silverlight too! JOY!

Google (1)

MDMurphy (208495) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363884)

My first thought was: Apple & Microsoft start to team up to combat Google.

Think Russia & U.S. vs. Germany in WWII.

Considering Apple's become more like Big Brother in recent times, why shouldn't they be buddies?

Re:Google (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364280)

Think more along the lines or the German / Russia alliance before the war proper began. I can't imagine it will be long before the old enemys stab each other in the back.

In this corner... (5, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363918)

I'm guessing an eight round electrified cage match with Jobs and Ballmer in Mexican wrestling masks and refereed by Chuck Norris

It will be inconclusive for seven rounds until Jobs seriously injures Ballmer with a flying clothesline after Ballmer cheats with a folding chair strike to Jobs' liver. Ballmer will tag in Bill Gates, but Jobs will tag in Phil Schiller. Schiller will then proceed to completely own Gates and win the match with a shining wizard followed by a dragon whip and atomic crotch punch.

The result will be Apple's market cap continuing to stomp on Microsoft's, and the kickoff of Phil's worldwide "Schillermania" tour.

Re:In this corner... (1)

MiddleHitter (473147) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364226)

"Referee" inferse some sort of lack of predestination, knowledge and control by Chuck Norris. I believe a better term is "allowed" by Chuck Norris.

Re:In this corner... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364390)

i feel like comparing their market caps is kind of ridiculous to anyone who knows anything about the company. they both are making money in extremely different ways. there's no reason to compare market caps for reasons of saying one is superior to the other. if you broke it down and showed who is selling more OS software, etc, etc. then maybe it'd make sense. However, Apple is making money off of iPods and iPhones (and now iPads, but I'm not sure what percentage it accounts for). Microsoft gets its money elsewhere. Why are we comparing them? I feel if anyone trots that out as something that means something either doesn't understand what they're talking about OR they're just telling propaganda knowing it's meaningless.

if i am to (1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363962)

suspect anything its that Ballmer will be releasing his ususual song and dance, accompanied by a free copy of Microsoft Office Chair for one or two lucky attendants. dont worry, it is definitely "Mac compatible."

I can only imagine what Ballmer will say. (1)

Cronock (1709244) | more than 3 years ago | (#32363974)

"Now that Apple's market cap has surpassed us and we're tanking in just about every market we're in, maybe we will try to ride their wave!"

Re:I can only imagine what Ballmer will say. (3, Insightful)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364068)

Well Yahoo, AOL, and Pets.com also had high market valuations at one point too.

Look how that turned out.

All it says is that Apple owns all of its own manufacturing and equipment and makes a LOT of expensive hardware. MS sells software, mostly.

Re:I can only imagine what Ballmer will say. (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364656)

All it says is that Apple owns all of its own manufacturing and equipment and makes a LOT of expensive hardware. MS sells software, mostly.

Apples strategy is not as (industry bullshit term coming) agile as Microsofts. If demand for iPhones and iPods dries up, then Apple will be in serious trouble yet again. Apples suppliers will just supply the next trendy device.

Unlike 14 years ago when Apple needed to be bailed out by Microsoft, this time they do have the ITMS revenue stream which I dont see going away any time soon (even if iPods and iPhones stopped selling.) Their computer revenue stream is still insignificant and cannot by itself support the company, just like before.

Re:I can only imagine what Ballmer will say. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364074)

No. Microsoft made almost three times as much net profit last year than Apple. The market cap is just speculative. Like oil.

XCode for Windoze? (2, Insightful)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364020)

Instead of this, why doesn't Apple just release XCode for Windows? Seems to me that would make far more sense than getting in bed with MS.

Re:XCode for Windoze? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364434)

Ballmer will get 7 minutes to present the latest Zune and his developer tools and then Jobs will present his alternative stuff, Zune vs. IPod, MSFT tools vs. Xcode. After the show Ballmer will get another 20 minutes for a press conference when he will go nuts over the citical question from journalists and throw chairs.

Re:XCode for Windoze? (1)

syntaxeater (1070272) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364548)

Windows developers are already intimately familiar with the Visual Studio. My guess is the adoption rate would be fairly low if it not only required learning the new framework, but replaced everything familiar about developing on windows by requiring a new IDE.

Re:XCode for Windoze? (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364690)

Three words: iTunes for Windows.

Apple is great at a lot of things, but writing/porting applications is not one of them. It makes much more sense to extend the functionality of MS's (far superior, IMO) Visual Studio. The extensibility of VS means they don't really even need MS's cooperation or approval... which is pretty fucking ironic when you think about it.

The real reason I can see they are doing this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364030)

People are moving to iPhone/iPad development platform. In order do that you need to get a Mac. Newbies will get boot camp I am sure, but with Steam allowing to switch to OSX there is very little reason to have boot camp.

I am sure windows7 is light years ahead of previous windows versions, but I would spend hours a week fixing someones machine in windows. When I got my mother a mac mini a year ago I have only had to help her once and that was to show her how to use the scanner.

This is the dumbest rumor I've heard in years (3, Insightful)

paulschreiber (113681) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364078)

There is no way Apple will let you develop for the iPhone OS using MS' developer toolchain. No way whatsoever. I'll bet Trip Chowdrey $500 right now this doesn't happen.

Re:This is the dumbest rumor I've heard in years (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364492)

Why not?

Xcode is free, you just need to pay the $99 to be able to sell apps on the store (which you would have to do on either platform) and opening up the machines you can develop on means potentially more apps in the store. Maybe it might even drive a few Mac sales, by choice rather than necessity.

I have to admit it's a bit out of left field, but stranger things have happened (like Apple going Intel, or Steam being released on the Mac [Valve 6 years ago: "Half Life will NEVER be ported to the Mac" Valve yesterday: "Half Life 2 for Mac!"]).

so... (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364086)

microsoft is heading back to its proverbial roots? It started out by selling ms basic to just about everyone, after all.

will we see them scale back windows (including mobile), focusing on xbox, exchange and development tools?

Re:so... (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364202)

Microsoft will become less and less important in the years to come when we can easily break their lock-in with all manner of mobile internet appliances. MS days as the 10,000 lb gorilla are coming to an end. They have to reach out or die a slow and horrible death as the need for Office or even the need for a desktop dwindles. I imagine the future where your desktop is more server then client.

Re:so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364254)

I doubt Microsoft would be capable of this. The culture seems so stuck on how to keep the grains of sand from falling through their fingers. with new and better lock ins. that people can see right through. how hard can it be for them to do a ground up rebuild of a new os, with a vm fro xp/windows 7 mode? They have the money but not the ability to allow something like this to happen. it threatens their corporate structure too much.

I can see it now... (5, Funny)

sophomoric (1715780) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364244)

I can see it now... Steve Jobs walks on stage after Ballmer finishes and says: That's great Ballmer, but unfortunately we're not going to be able to accept any apps created in Visual Studio, but thanks anyways.

People actually like Visual Studio? (3, Insightful)

tylersoze (789256) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364316)

One of the most surprising aspects coming out of this rumor (which is complete and utter BS BTW, I wish I could get a job where I could just spout crazy BS all day, as opposed to just doing it for fun on slashdot :) is learning that people actually *like* Visual Studio? Who knew? I mean XCode has its problems, but I can't wait to get home after a day of working with VS and open up XCode and have some fun do iPhone coding.

Re:People actually like Visual Studio? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32364632)

Yeah, but XCode isn't drool-proof, and the devs that love VS need that feature.

Re:People actually like Visual Studio? (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364650)

Personally VS2005 and 2008 are my favorite dev environments (can't speak for 2010, haven't used it much), I can get a lot done very quickly with those tools. In fact, I know a lot of devs (.NET fans or not, MS fans or not) that particularly think VS is one of MS's best software offerings they have ever made. I also know people who like BOTH XCode and VS. Of course, these days I have to work with RAD (yes, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit).

After all the recent fanfare... (1)

yabos (719499) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364442)

...about Apple changing it's developer TOS to say that only apps that were originally written in Objective-C or C/C++ then linked directly to the iPhone SDK APIs are allowed on the store, does anyone really believe that they'd now let VS compiled apps on the iPhone? I find it hard to believe that Microsoft would have created a complete IDE for the iPhone SDK to match the TOS as it is now. More likely they'd port the .NET runtime to the iPhone and then their IDE would develop .NET apps like it does now. This is the same as Adobe tried to do with Flash and we see how well that worked out.

Tech-Ed != WWDC (2, Insightful)

AwaxSlashdot (600672) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364484)

Yeah sure, Steve Ballmer will very likely speak about VisualStudio 2010 on June the 7th. But this will be at Microsoft Tech-Ed, developper and IT professionnal conference.

How a miss-informed analyst can shake the web by spitting improbable rumours.

(I won't talk about the fact that VS10 is deeply oriented towards the introduction of .NET 4.0 and corresponding C# evolutions, that VS has currently no ObjC parser — and will never include GCC even if it is Apple reference compiler — and that VS GUI editors are built for WinForms and WPF/SilverLight, not Cocoa, so this just ends leveraging their syntax highlighting text editor)

Developers, developers, developers... (3, Informative)

Minwee (522556) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364544)

If Steve Ballmer is giving it, wouldn't that make it the WWDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDC keynote?

MS + Apple - now the odd ones out.... (1)

yossarianuk (1402187) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364684)

It is only a matter of time before these 2 companies get together and give each other 'patent agreements'. after all they have a joint love of evil and control

Today most major tech companies (in the mobile sector mainly) are working with Linux, particularly hardware manufacturers

HP, Dell, acer , LG, Intel, google, Motorola, NEC, Panasonic, and Samsung, Vodafone, Nokia, HTC (the list goes on for quite a while) are all working on some form of Linux system or device, even Sony is (although they obviously hate Linux - and everything)

As time progresses how are Apple and Microsoft going to compete - even it they join forces...

Consumers are slowly waking up to the fact that if you buy an Apple product you are not in control of it, Apple is., judging by the increase in sales in Android it looks like the start of the end for apple (i hope)

As for Microsoft, they seem to becoming increasingly irrelevant (I haven't used any product of theirs - except a friends Xbox - since 2002, so for me they are already irrelevant and thank god for that..)

Verbatim from "Thoughts on Flash" (1)

AwaxSlashdot (600672) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364720)

"This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool."

now explain me how this fits with "VS10 for iPad/iPhone dev".

Turtlenecks! (0)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 3 years ago | (#32364730)

Turtlenecks Turtlenecks TUrtlenecks TuRtlenecks TurtleNecks Turtlenecks TurtlenEcks Turtlen3cks TurtleneCks Turtlene(ks !!!!!!!!!!

GIVE IT UP FOR MEEEEEEEEE.

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