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Are We Ready For a True Data Disaster?

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the no-no-no-no-and-no dept.

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snydeq writes "Fatal Exception's Neil McAllister questions how long we can go before a truly catastrophic data disaster strikes. 'The lure of potential profits in the information economy, combined with the apparent ease with which data can be gathered and a lack of regulation, creates a climate of recklessness in which a "data spill" of the scale of the Deepwater Horizon incident seems not just likely, but inevitable.' Witness Google mistakenly emailing potentially sensitive business data to customers of its Local Business Center service, or the 1.5 million Facebook accounts and passwords recently offered up on an underground hacking forum. 'These incidents seem relatively minor, but as companies gather ever more individually identifiable data and cross-reference these databases in new and more innovative ways, the potential for a major catastrophe grows.'"

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ext4 causes disasters (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32368806)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [] on leftist commie propaganda site as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [] slut [] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [] is secret homo [] slang for the tip of a penis [] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [] ' originally referred to a homosexual [] practice. Slashdot [] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, [] .

The editors of Slashdot [] also have homosexual [] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [] runs on Apache!

The Apache [] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'


What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [] is that it contains hidden homosexual [] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Re:ext4 causes disasters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32368842)

Wow this copypasta is pretty old to be bashing Katz.

niggers did it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32368808)

niggers did it

Easy and Obvious answer (4, Insightful)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368818)


We are never ready for any major disaster. It is silly to think we ever will be given our inability to agree on such major planning initiatives.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (4, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368998)

I think more accurately, if we were prepared for it, it wouldn't be a disaster.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (1)

grcumb (781340) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369376)

I think more accurately, if we were prepared for it, it wouldn't be a disaster.

Not entirely true. Cyclones are largely predictable and (in my part of the world, at least) we do take steps to prepare for them. They are, nonetheless, disastrous when they strike.

But what I'd like to know -and what McAllister conveniently forgets to mention- is: "What, exactly, constitutes a 'True Data Disaster?"

Are we talking about a data leak that effectively kills a company's credibility dead? I don't think so, because if incompetence or data mismanagement had any kind of real-world relationship with a company's success, Microsoft, Amazon, Heartland Payment Systems and dozens of others would at very least have suffered losses in stock value following their colossally poor management practices.

Are we talking criminal abuse of private information? If that were the case, then Microsoft, Yahoo! and all the nation's telcos (save Qwest) should be facing an imminent demise because of their complicity in the unconstitutional breach of their customers' privacy in the US Government's domestic spying programme.

Are we talking straight-up data loss? If so, then Microsoft (hmm, that name keeps coming up) should have taken a dive when they managed quite literally to lose all of Danger Networks' data.

Or are we talking non-performance and generalised uselessness on a scale that beggars comprehension? If that were the case, then why do large consultancies still manage to win multi-million dollar contracts that suck up centuries of developer time and never actually deliver a thing? Think of the FBI's famous foray into modernisation, the now-legendary death of the UK's online medical database and any of a dozen other projects that ended up entirely written off (to the tune of 100s of millions each) without so much as a downward tick in the value of the contracting companies involved.

No, I'm afraid that Data Disasters don't exist, because we don't want to believe they exist. It seems that in the esoteric world of noughts and ones, belief matters far more than empirical truth, making a true Data Disaster literally inconceivable.

There can't be a Data Disaster today, because we can't imagine what one would look like. Likewise, there won't be a Data Disaster until we become capable of realising that they're all around us, happening every day.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (2, Funny)

darkpixel2k (623900) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369942)

"What, exactly, constitutes a 'True Data Disaster?"

Are we talking about a data leak that effectively kills a company's credibility dead?

No, we're talking about a massive sunspot that destroys the interweb.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (1)

steelfood (895457) | more than 4 years ago | (#32376552)

That one mighty sunspot that can clog up such massive tubes.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (2, Insightful)

homey of my owney (975234) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369978)

I'm sorry, perhaps you need to qualify disaster. Prior to my reading this, I thought the 100 million (now estimated) accounts compromised in the TJX breach or the approximately 100 million in the Heartland Payment Systems breach, were just that - disastrous.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (2, Insightful)

turbidostato (878842) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370220)

"I'm sorry, perhaps you need to qualify disaster.

A disaster qualifies itself by the loses it induces. Take an earthquake, a tsunami, a stock crash...

"I thought the 100 million (now estimated) accounts compromised in the TJX breach or the approximately 100 million in the Heartland Payment Systems breach, were just that - disastrous."

So you thought, uh? What exactly were the loses? Specifically, what were the loses for those responsible of the incident? Because if there were no loses, then there's no disaster. A nuisance or an incident, maybe, but not a disaster.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#32372198)

"What, exactly, constitutes a 'True Data Disaster?"

It's when all your donkey/midget pr0n - and all three backups - gets deleted.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (2, Funny)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370458)

I think more accurately, if we were prepared for it, it wouldn't be a disaster.

I'm ready. I have a very large stock of data dispersion chemicals.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32376212)

I am heavily invested in canned foods, bottled water and shotguns.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32369020)

If we were ready for it, it wouldn't be a major disaster, would it.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32370360)

If we were ready for it, it wouldn't be a major disaster, would it.

Katrina, I'm looking at you.

Re:Easy and Obvious answer (2, Funny)

Afforess (1310263) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369478)

If we were ready, no one would run stories on whether we are ready or not. Duh!

Offshoring (2, Insightful)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 4 years ago | (#32371172)

We farm the processing of a great deal of data to low-wage countries that don't even like us. To be managed by guys whose entire year's pay is the same as what you're paid for a week. Which means they are very easy to bribe. Oh and they also think we Americans are evil lazy shits who deserve the pain and suffering we get.

What I am saying is that a disastrous data breach involving millions of Americans' financial or medical data will happen more likely overseas than it will happen anywhere in the U.S. And when it hits you, you will have absolutely zero recourse. Of course, someone could show I'm wrong by explaining to us how the FBI can manage to arrest an identity thief in Bangalore...

So not only are we unable to agree on disaster planning, but the entire system is DESIGNED to provide fertile ground for a disaster.

Dataspill? (5, Funny)

ChrisMounce (1096567) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368824)

The question is, will we go for a top kill on the data leak, or will we first attempt more risky solutions which profit the data miners? What kind of concrete do you use to seal a data leak? And what's the conversion factor between the scale of an oil spill and the scale of a data spill? In other words, how do we get from m^2 to BAU (Bad Analogy Units), so we can compare them?

Re:Dataspill? (4, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369098)

What kind of concrete do you use to seal a data leak?

Data leaks are sealed by abstract, not by concrete. Interfaces, traits, the works.

Re:Dataspill? (1)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369754)

Gah, I can't even extend on that idea. No-one stands to inherit anything from this post!

Re:Dataspill? (4, Funny)

ztcamper (1051960) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370328)

I think top kill approach that involves strong EMP would work like a charm. Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Re:Dataspill? (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369148)

Yes, we should kill the top offender(s). And using concrete (shoes) to do it should suffice.

Re:Dataspill? (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369166)

And what's the conversion factor between the scale of an oil spill and the scale of a data spill? In other words, how do we get from m^2 to BAU (Bad Analogy Units), so we can compare them?

The real question is how does this convert to Library of Congress Units, and can it then be reworded as a Car Analogy?

Concrete (1)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369168)

What kind of concrete do you use to seal a data leak?

The quick-drying kind, that's useful for custom-fitting a pair of "shoes".


Mod "satirically insightful". (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369204)

Every time ANY "disaster" hits there will always be people who want to use it as an analogy for something else.

And those people usually have no idea what they're talking about.

But they use the current disaster to grab headlines.

Re:Dataspill? (2, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369206)

how do we get from m^2 to BAU (Bad Analogy Units), so we can compare them?

Easy. We take a Car analagy, and use the units (CAU), divide by 1 Bad Analagy unit, leaving 1Car over 1Bad.

Next, we know Microsoft is bad, and their current market cap is 227.86 Billion Dollars. One of the most popular cars to make fun of in Analogies is a Prius, so you can turn your 1 car into 49miles per galon. Gas is averagely priced at 3.1 dollars per gallon, so you can multiply the miles per galon by that amount to get miles per dollar. So we have 15.8 miles per dollar. Units cancelling out, we get about 14421518987 miles, converted to meters is about 23209185052614. (I should mention these are rough estimates.)

Rooting that simply because I can, works out to be about 4817591 meters squared.

Make sense?

Re:Dataspill? (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369696)

How many Libraries of Congress is that?

Re:Dataspill? (3, Funny)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#32375292)

There's already a data disaster. I'm drowning in data! Somebody throw me a lifeboat, quick!

*blurb blurb blurb blurb blurb blurb blurb blurb*

Facebook users? (3, Informative)

dave420 (699308) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368836)

I read that the facebook users in question seemed to be automatically-generated bogus accounts [] , if they ever existed at all.

Re:Facebook users? (3, Informative)

seanvaandering (604658) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369530)


Facebook accounts are attractive because of the higher level of trust on the site than exists in the broader Internet. People are required to use their real names and tend to connect primarily with people they know.

That's true for anyone who doesn't play games. For those who do play the games from Zynga and other gaming houses, you'd be amazed at what people will do to get to the next level, or getting that rare item. I play the games as well, but to keep the game essentially free, you have to add "neighbors" or your progression stalls. What's the solution? Join an "ADD ME" group, or check the gaming group and troll the comments, adding people every day.

I'm not kidding when I say about 10% of my Facebook friends, actually know me, which makes my profile almost useless, unless you want to be Level 70 in Treasure Isle!

Re:Facebook users? (1)

DamnStupidElf (649844) | more than 4 years ago | (#32372052)

Gee, I thought they would have just created mule accounts. It's what everyone did back in the BBS days.

Re:Facebook users? (3, Funny)

sjames (1099) | more than 4 years ago | (#32372432)

Just because the creator(s) of the accounts can't pass the Turing test doesn't mean they're bogus :-)

Truly catastrophic data disaster... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32368866)

So I'm thinking about powerful solar flares wiping out all magnetic storage on the day side of the earth. Trillions of dollars in lost research data, crippled communications, you know, a catastrophe. Turns out this asshole is talking about compromised facebook pages.

Get a grip, drama queen.

Re:Truly catastrophic data disaster... (3, Insightful)

thms (1339227) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369234)

Now THERE is an argument for SSDs and punch cards if I ever heard one. And paper, there will always be paper.

But the suns magnetic field can't just increase by a few orders of magnitude, so it has to be induced by a solar flare. A hemisphere sized geomagnetic storm [] however first has to hit the power lines quite hard to produce strong magnetic fields, and then humanity will have other problems.

Re:Truly catastrophic data disaster... (1)

Dragoniz3r (992309) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369744)

Hey man, if the cosmic rays are making Toyotas drive themselves, I sure wouldn't trust them to leave my SSDs alone! They might spontaneously populate with hundreds of gigs of pr0n!

Re:Truly catastrophic data disaster... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32371146)

Uhh, no. Unless SSDs are properly shielded (faraday cage), and EMP will fry just about every gate on the silicon chips. At that point, kiss your data goodbye and all server equipment for that matter!!!

You may not have realized it yet, but a high altitude nuke over a city will fry just about every microchip in range. Ponder that for just a moment...

Re:Truly catastrophic data disaster... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32371290)

+1 Comforting

...I think

Re:Truly catastrophic data disaster... (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 4 years ago | (#32375392)

Punch cards. Kids these days! I want a cuneiform printer that imprints my data into clay tablets. That stuff last for millennia!

Re:Truly catastrophic data disaster... (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369410)

For some reason your comment makes me want to do a backup of my data on CDs all of the sudden...

Re:Truly catastrophic data disaster... (4, Insightful)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369670)

There is an ongoing data disaster : infinite copyright. We are loosing all the collective memory of the 20th century, save for a few blockbusters and famous books. All these data are stored on fragile medium and are forbidden to distribute in order to save them. Oh, and it has happened already : the musicals of ye old late 19th century were already overprotected by copyright, and many were never "saved" into film in the beginning of the 20th century, not wanting to be pirated...

Re:Truly catastrophic data disaster... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#32376206)

We are loosing all the collective memory of the 20th century

If only that were true, but far from loosing it, they're tightning their grip on it.

Oh, you meant losing. That changes the meaning completely -- my bad.

Re:Truly catastrophic data disaster... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32376230)

We are loosing all the collective memory

Gaaaahhhhh!!!! Learn to fucking spell!!!!!!!!

Imagine cameraphones ringing all over the world (1)

lennier (44736) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369804)

... and every PXT a goatse.

Now that would be a catastrophe.

Re:Imagine cameraphones ringing all over the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32371526)

Lawnmower man, your memory is full. You need to remove pictures first.

It's already happened (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32368870)

I spilled hot grits down my pants this morning and when I flinched from the pain, I accidentally emailed a photo of a nude and petrified Natalie Portman to everyone in the company.

Cue Morbo (4, Informative)

0racle (667029) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368872)

Ya, I sit every day in fear that one day my database systems will open up and spew ones and zeros all over gods creation, poisoning all nearby networks and data stores. Oh wait


Article talks about things that already happen. He just tries to get page views by putting a stupid but referencing something completely different instead of what he is actually talking about, business continuity plans. He doesn't even seem to have any good insights on the matter either.

The only thing that it was missing was a reference to hurricane Katrina. Sorry, Neil McAllister, but you're apparently an idiot.

Re:Cue Morbo (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369416)

Agreed. If we ever have a major data spill, we can just shoot junk at it like old golf balls. Problem solved.

Re:Cue Morbo (4, Funny)

lennier (44736) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369846)

Right, the minute the Cloud starts showing signs of sentience, we pump all of 4chan into it.

Mind you there's a 50/50 shot that that's exactly what leads to Skynet vowing to exterminate us.

Re:Cue Morbo (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369880)

Sorry, Neil McAllister, but you're apparently an idiot.

Got his page hits, didn't he?

Mission Accomplished!

Re:Cue Morbo (2, Funny)

DiEx-15 (959602) | more than 4 years ago | (#32371856)

I guess since you use a Mac, you don't have to worry about such things..

It's not a disaster if we're ready for it (1)

Dragoniz3r (992309) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368878)

If we had all the security and privacy elements in place that we should, there would be no such thing as a "data disaster". There's no real limit to the degree to which we can secure personal (or other) data, if we actually put some effort into it. We just don't right now, because it's not on enough peoples' radars yet. Once the girl you met in the bar last night cares enough about her privacy to use, say, Diaspora*, then there won't really be such thing as a privacy disaster, because everything will be cryptographically secure between parties, and there won't be the Facebooks of the world out there with huge repositories of unencrypted personal data. Right now she doesn't.

There's also a truly mindboggling amount of irresponsibility on behalf of the various financial institutions of the world (and the like), for most of the same reasons. Nobody cares enough to do security or privacy the right way. Yet.

The Disaster Of All Disasters: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32368882)

Google [] , for whatever reason, CRASHES.

Given that 99% of personal computer users, don't backup their data, imagine the panic.

IMAGINE a Senate committee to "investigate" the crash. IMAGINE the government propaganda [] .

Yours In Astrakhan,
Kilgore Trout

Re:The Disaster Of All Disasters: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32369050)

The disaster of all disasters would be a sudden burst of an undiscovered form of radiation from space that left everyone with a brain blind and mute; leaving Neil McAllister as our only source of news while we desperately tried to learn braille.

We should have a new privacy law on the shelf (1)

schwaang (667808) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368886)

In the spirit of letting no crisis go unused, we should have a new privacy law crafted and ready to pass when the next Data Valdez strikes.

The Patriot Act was mostly a pre-existing fairlyland wishlist for law enforcement that was sitting on the shelf when 9/11 struck.

I don't know if pro-privacy advocates are that organized, but EFF and others should have legal language already formed into a bill, IMHO.

Re:We should have a new privacy law on the shelf (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370242)

What would happen if there was a disaster is that there would be laws that would be ineffective like Sarbanes Oxley, but would require companies to have a lot of internal stuff for it. Sarbanes Oxley was a boon for storage providers, as relevant E-mails and messages have to be archived for 7 years.

I'd love to see some actual privacy laws, but I'm sure there won't be -- so many businesses make so much cash tracking everything they can on a person in the US. If laws get passed, they likely would be toothless feel good wonders.

Re:We should have a new privacy law on the shelf (1)

schwaang (667808) | more than 4 years ago | (#32371090)

Being cynical to that degree will just render you powerless.

Consider some small-scale successes, like the California law that requires customers to be notified when their private records are breached. Not hugely burdensome, and it is actually useful (it helped me personally in one case).

Also HIPAA, while seemingly toothless and flawed, has had positive impacts in *some* areas. (Notably at hospitals which have been able to implement privacy protection through their standard training and other polices, but even my dentist's forms now ask if it's OK to leave private details on my home answering machine.)

Putting both idealism and cynicism aside, I think you're right that it's too late in the US to eliminate the kind of tracking that Facebook, Google, Choicepoint and Axciom do. No Congress is going to seriously harm those businesses.

That doesn't mean that we can't think in advance about what could still practically be done to improve individuals' control over their private information, and get it into Bill form.

There was a sci-fi (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368896)

movie where the premis is they need to transfer a few billion in cash.

The reason being that electronic banking had become to easy to break.

While the movie was bad, the premise is interesting.

yes (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368908)

that's why we use distributed systems.

Already happened (1)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 4 years ago | (#32368912)

Don't you think the governments already have enough data to count as a catastrophic, worldwide privacy breach with as much as they can cross-reference? Don't tell me that certain three-letter folks can't also just talk to their contacts inside Google/Facebook/Skype/etc and get whatever info they might not already have.

The only difference is that it's not a for-profit corporation with that amount of reach into the data, it's the for-power structures.

UK child benefit database lost (1)

UpnAtom (551727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370162)

The UK's tax office lost 2 discs containing the entire country's child benefits database. 3 years later, it seems that it didn't get into the hands of fraudsters. []

Frankly, I celebrated. It was largely because of this that the average Brit became opposed to the NuLabour's attempt to build Stasi 2.0.

Volcano Insurance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32368940)

Are you insured against the risk of volcanos? The center of our planet is just one big ball of pissed off magma. Eventually, it could all come out and destroy your way of life. Just like that topical natural disaster.

- J. Johnson, Volcano Insurace Salesman

Re:Volcano Insurance (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369080)

Didn't I just buy a tank from you? "I mean sure, any car is a car, but a tank is a tank!" I'm ready for the disaster. Shoot depleted uranium shells first and ask questions later, tank you very much.

Oh, wait, data disaster? Seriously? No, we're not ready, and we never will be. Danger pretty much demonstrated what will likely happen in a real world data disaster. Thousands of people who couldn't be bothered to synchronize their data and make backups suddenly found themselves screwed.

The takeaway is simple: if your data is valuable, don't trust anyone else with the only copy, and that includes the manufacturer of your hard drive. The only safe data is the fifth backup copy stored on mag tape in a storage vault buried half a mile beneath NORAD.

Lemme check... (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369002)


My identity was comprised once, and since then I've hardened my security and never put all of my financial eggs in one basket.

I host my own data in an encrypted online backup, and make quarterly physical encrypted backups (stored in two cities 1,300 miles apart). Several trusted parties each have a piece of the keys.

Hell, I was stranded in the Canadian wilderness for 3 months in the winter (-40 degrees) and survived that quite easily.

I crave this world wide total data disaster! (Which will never happen.) It would give us the chance to start this mess all over and do things right (no more Patents! Yay!) I'd finally be able to use my own damn code!

That which doesn't kill me makes me harder, better, faster, smarter...

OK. Can you say Hyperbole? (4, Funny)

gbutler69 (910166) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369018)

We're so desperate to suck the last gallon of oil out of the earth that we've reached our technological limitations and soon peak-oil will devastate the modern world and you have the gall to call data-loss a "DISASTER"! Perspective man. Perspective.

Fris7r psot (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32369058)

= 1400 NetBSD Things in []? Of challenges that

The State of Data is Not Good (4, Interesting)

pankajmay (1559865) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369114)

I will only partly agree with Mr. McAllister's assertion about the potential for catastrophic loss via an inadvertent leak. However, I do feel that much of this stuff go packaged as half-truths and half-fear mongering.
There are a few facets to the issue - let me try to dissect them:
  • Immense amount of data being collected: Very true. Everyday people are generating information that when cleverly pieced together can unravel every minute of their life. However, the caveat is that there is such a huge amount of information. Today we are at a position where the inflow of data far exceeds our capacity to process it. Most regular people aren't interesting enough for someone to worth wading through the muck to piece together coherency. Yet, there are people who will be subjected to such attacks and hopefully they are already taking precautions. For the rest of us mere mortals, no matter how significant we think our precious little existence is, the fact remains that largely we are all mostly just statistical data points -- white noise.

    Just like in statistics -- corporations are not looking for a particular person, but they are trying to aggregate it all and derive a trend or more accurately a statistical model. And just like in statistics -- the outliers will stand out.
  • The Valuable data is the Aggregate, not the actual data point: This is where the line becomes gray. Is it alright to zealously collect every dimension of data available to derive a meaningful aggregate? We are all understandably uncomfortable having our menial contributions, measured and carefully cataloged. However, if there is a way where important data about you is handled for only a brief while -- converted into something that retains the meaning of that data point but loses the association with you, I have a feeling then that would be classified as legal. Of course, active research is being done today in this area.
  • Data is unduly important today because we have (stupidly) delegated our identity amongst few numbers: I heard on NPR yesterday about how people's health insurance is being stolen. And do you know why such a fraud occurs? Because, no one conclusively establishes the patient's identity. They just ask for the card and done. They don't ask the driver's license nor put a simple photograph of the patient on the file to check. We have done the same thing with other such numbers -- Social Security, Date of Birth have all been used conclusively to establish a person's identity. True - it may have been a simplifying solution when Computers were not advanced. But the real travesty is not the availability of our data out there - which in this modern age is inevitable -- but that we are not switching to more robust methods of establishing people's identity. One of the ways could be to check finger prints (finger print readers are mighty cheap) or other such biometric data that cannot be easily faked.

Until criminals discover databases. (2, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369302)

Everyday people are generating information that when cleverly pieced together can unravel every minute of their life. However, the caveat is that there is such a huge amount of information.


I heard on NPR yesterday about how people's health insurance is being stolen. And do you know why such a fraud occurs? Because, no one conclusively establishes the patient's identity.

Now imagine a criminal organization that is interested in collecting that information and sorting it into personal profiles. Start with a database of social security numbers.

Now add enough detail to be able to get loans or credentials in the names of those people (with the aforementioned social security numbers).

It wouldn't take much processing power or storage.

Re:Until criminals discover databases. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32373544)

Well, that's the whole point of parent's post - the problem is not the accessibility of information, the problem is in the system where some numbers are enough to use health insurance or get loans in your name.

The solution is not to put the information genie back in the bottle (which seems impossible); but instead to require the businesses to actually verify the identity instead of accepting that anyone who knows a few non-strictly-private numbers is you.

For example, checking a physical ID. This also leads to a benefit where forged data isn't simply rejected, but instead the person using the forged data is physically there and can be arrested.

By the way, this is a reason why identity theft is much more serious issue in USA than in most other places in the world. In my country, if someone (say, from my family) knew all my private data, and tried to take out a loan in my name, that wouldn't be reasonably possible. First, it would be hard to do - since the bank would have to prove that it was really me to enforce anything, they would require the ID and check it's validity and lost/stolen status. Second, if he did manage to successfully forge the ID and cheat the bank, the stored ID's copy would be the one of the forged ID; so in case of disputes it would easily prove that the loan is fraudulent => ergo, the bank has been cheated and bears all impact, not myself.

BIOMETRICS Re:The State of Data is Not Good (1)

cjacobs001 (644842) | more than 4 years ago | (#32371664)

biometrics is harder to maintain than one would think (and therefore harder to use). in my experience, once enrolled onto a system, BOTH, a system hardware change and a system SOFTWARE change, can corrupt the file(s) holding the biometric data. The fix is easy for me, -just turn off the biometrics BEFORE making such changes. But for Jane and Joe user, who don't understand how or why to control 'automatic up-dates', biometrics become just too much to deal with. (this is posted before I look at anything already posted below the post it is attached to)

What qualifies as a disaster? (1)

KarlIsNotMyName (1529477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369152)

I'd figure it be a series of data centers blown up by some event, but in the summary it hints at identity theft. I'm not sure if any data that can be taken that easily in so large amounts can qualify as a disaster.

I don't think I even own or have any data that could undergo a disaster. The worst that could happen is that my work computer gets misplaced or destroyed somehow, but it's almost all backed up somewhere else, so no disaster, not even a personal one.

My private data, well, what I haven't backed up, I can recreate. And I haven't willingly leaked any personal info online, despite the trend. Even so, is losing your Facebook page, or even millions of people losing their social webpages really a disaster?

I honestly don't care about stocks, btw. It seems they're all in it to squeeze the most out of the system, not to benefit the general economy. If they crash and burn, meh.

Re:What qualifies as a disaster? (1)

AthleteMusicianNerd (1633805) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369704)

Stocks will crash and burn because they're way freakin' overvalued. Why the F#@! would someone go nuts buying a company that LOSES money or is trading at 50+ times earnings??? It's because they're using other peoples money and they're outlook is short.

Re:What qualifies as a disaster? (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 4 years ago | (#32374716)

Or because they'll bounce back eventually after stockholders get new management and overcome the bad press they got hit with that caused them to devalue. The rebound from that doesn't always last long though, so it's good to get out soon as you get your money.

Run for your life! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32369242)

Blue penis pills will start posting on fb profiles everywhere! Oh the horror!

Actually it'd be a good thing... (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369368)

... to have a data disaster happen, one that was not recoverable.

This would be like the biblical tower of babel falling and as a result this would help push us to our next stage of evolution.

It is society, population that pushes us to resolve bigger and bigger social problems.

What we need is a global data disaster effecting everyone, including military.

Such as what a massive solar flare could cause.

Should such a thing happen, then in order to just maintain some level of society, alot of dishonesty and deception will have to be put aside.
So much so that we'd be forced to develop better means of communication containing inherent verification.

Tower of babel, but of a different nature and different solution.

Re:Actually it'd be a good thing... (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 4 years ago | (#32373486)

Oh yeah that'd work! Put the whole system into shock and massive stress; I'm sure that will bring out the best in people, and make sure they mend their wicked, wicked, much-wickeder-than-the-old-days ways! I'm sure people wouldn't just cobble together whatever shit works kinda works -for now- in a mad scrabble.

Seriously, why do you think a disaster would improve the way people do things?

Dataspill on the scale of the Deepwater Horizon BO (1)

RichardJenkins (1362463) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369548)

Fry: "Bender what's wrong?!"
Bender: "It was horrible ones and zeros everywhere, and I think I saw a two."
Fry: "Its OK Bender there's no such thing as two."

I doubt it will happen (1)

i_ate_god (899684) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369588)

There is far too much redundancy. So much data unwittingly gets duplicated by one way or another that I doubt we would ever face such a disaster.

It's not MY data, it's YOUR data (4, Insightful)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369628)

The first thing we need to do is change some of the descriptions. My data is stored on my computers. If some personal information is stored on your computers, that's your data (even if it refers to me, or other people). And being your data, you are responsible for its safe keeping, its security and (as with oil spills) for cleaning up and making good any lapses it it gets out.

So, for example when a bank says that my identity has been stolen and my bank account drained, what they're really saying is some data they held became insecure and they let an unaurthorised (i.e. not me, or someone I have power of withdrawl to) person take it from them, and that lack of care on their part allowed someone to take money from them (but not from me).

it's only after these sorts of ownership and liability factors are widely accepted and written into law, that we can start to assign responsibility for information that people or organisations hold regarding us. I fully expect that once organisations are deemed liable for any damage or loss that occurs because they lose or fail to secure their data, the problems of identity theft, data loss and security will solve themselves.

Re:It's not MY data, it's YOUR data (2, Informative)

AaronParsons (1172445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370488)

An anecdote:

One day, my bank (Chase, for the record) started repeatedly threatening to shut down my account if I did not confirm that "suspicious activity" on my account was legit. I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. I started getting multiple threats a week, and when I once traveled and lost cell service for a week, they disabled my account.

When I pushed them on the issue, they confessed that my account was on a list of potentially compromised accounts. They told me that some entity had called in to place it there, but they would not name names. This was an infuriating example of how far we are from being able to hold businesses accountable for data theft. They were not going to tell me about the potential ID theft until I threatened to close my account, and they allowed a business to (apparently) anonymously phone in cases of ID theft.

Re:It's not MY data, it's YOUR data (1)

dbcad7 (771464) | more than 4 years ago | (#32372906)

Yep they should have forced you to get a new card.. That's what happened to me, way back when, with Wamu.. I had sent some money using my card via Western Union (and it wasn't even online).. well Western Union got hacked and gave Wamu a list of card numbers they thought might have been taken apparently.. Wamu just deactivated my card.. no warning.. had to call and find out that a new card was on the way. (had about 3 days with no card).. If I had been traveling, I would have been pissed.. but it was a minor inconvenience to go to the bank til the new card came.

data loss causes breakups (1)

retardpicnic (1762292) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369634)

If I have to start over at level one again my girlfriend will KILL me!!

I am! (1)

Bugamn (1769722) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369654)

Got my bunker filled with canned food, fuel, ammo and shotguns. Now I just need to wait untill the data zombies stop roaming Earth.

So what would constitute a true data disaster? (1)

jjoelc (1589361) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369694)

I can't really think of many examples, and the article certainly doesn't provide any examples.. Not even a "worst case scenario" type of doomsday prophecy. And only one of the things I can think of amount to a "leak"...

If all the worlds' financial data suddenly became truly public, or disappeared entirely (they amount to the same thing, either was they would have to start all over) could be bad, I suppose.. at least for a lot of people. Good for others.

If all of the weapons data in the US ("ICBMs for Dummies" "The Complete Idiot's Schematics for Nuclear Weaponry") the things could get ugly in a hurry.. Either that, or everyone would have nukes, and we would be back into the MAD scenario... or they would simply lose all effectiveness as a threat,since everyone had them...

Re:So what would constitute a true data disaster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32369756)

What constitutes a data disaster is who's data is being destroyed or stolen.

I figure 535 people will be all that's needed...

Lemme explain:

Steal data for 535 members of Congress and the Senate, and THEN you'll have a data disaster.

You think I jest? Being able to grab info on lobbyist contributions, trysts with persons other than their spouses, etc. and trust me, you'll have a disaster declared.

Re:So what would constitute a true data disaster? (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#32372918)

A true disaster would be a retail bank losing all its records. A perfect storm hits the backup data-centre at the same time. In effect millions of people will lose savings, have unpaid bills - companies will go under. There would probably be rioting if it happened to a major national bank.

Of course (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369726)

Windows was released years ago and we managed to survive. What can be worse?

Re:Of course (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 4 years ago | (#32369998)


How about an Internet Disaster (1)

Alcoholist (160427) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370222)

I've always been curious as to how the world would behave if it lost the Internet for a while. A lot of people I work for go spastic if they lose their connection for more than an hour, I can't imagine what they would do if they lost it for a week.

Despite the fact the Internet was conceived of as a decentralized network, it's actually quite centralized. It would only take a few well placed attacks to bring it to its knees. Think of the Northeast Blackout of 2003. That wasn't even an attack, that was just some overgrown trees.

Re:How about an Internet Disaster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32373634)

What about Northeast Blackout of 2003 ? It had no significant impact on the internet, as the internet functioned perfectly almost everywhere in the world, just as designed.

I remember the time, as I had worked in high-voltage grid industry, and when the news broke out, I was interested and was constantly checking its status, happenings and discussions about its reasons - and I was checking it on the internet, of course. It was not 'brought to its knees' in any way.

Of course we are! (1)

Izhido (702328) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370560)

You see, we've been preparing for that since a long time ago. The day we all lose our valuable data, we just need to pay a reasonable amount of money to all those cybercriminals who hack our systems and steal our data in exchange for a ransom. See? With enough money, the system works!

Not Obeying The Law prevents data disaster (1)

Simonetta (207550) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370640)

Are we going to lose all the great music that was made in the last third of the 20th century? NO, Because hundreds of millions of people refuse to obey the law as brought down from Mt. Sinai by the RIAA. By making millions of bootleg illegal MP3 copies of the our generation's music, we ensure that it will be around through any data disaster that could befall any centralized data storage depository.

    The more widespread data is; the more protected that it is.

    It's the culture of the 'greatest generation' that's going to disappear. The people who were born in the first third of the 20th century and lived their lives trusting their culture to corporate jerkoffs. Heard any great music from the 1930s or 1940s lately? It's quite possible that you never will. No one's collecting it. No one's preserving it. No one's copying it. No one's distributing it. When the vinyl from that time all chips, breaks, and wears out, the music of that era is gone.

    If you want to protect your data, copy it, bury it, review it, play with it. But for god's sakes, don't encrypt it

Re:Not Obeying The Law prevents data disaster (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 4 years ago | (#32370946)

I'm sure the music from the 1970s to the mid 1990s will be preserved because most "rock" radio stations only play from that span of time, ignoring anything in the 21'st century.

Probably one of my biggest gripe of almost all today's radio stations, they effectively have 100-150 songs on shuffle except for some random special programs, and nothing really new out of that. The independents are hard to find.

Re:Not Obeying The Law prevents data disaster (2, Interesting)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 4 years ago | (#32374768)

The independents are hard to find.

By design even. Distribution is the primary thing that keeps the cartel's thumb pressed down upon artists. Pandora helps a lot, but lately they seem to be fallible even. I can't seem to get them to stop play Coldplay for example. I finally thought I voted down every Coldplay song in the collection, and then they started springing LIVE versions on me. I kind of thing they're getting paid to push it at this point.

Re:Not Obeying The Law prevents data disaster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32375424)

I have not been impressed with Pandora for similar reasons. seems to be able to find me decent new bands to listen to, and their subscription price is cheaper. Not to mention unlimited skips.

Pandora also has been annoying me with 30 second ad spots every 2 songs. If I wanted that many ads thrown at me, I'd listen to the FM radio.

Pandora has a better UI, but for listening, is miles ahead in not having as many annoyances.

Re:Not Obeying The Law prevents data disaster (1)

KarlIsNotMyName (1529477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32374272)

That's true, filesharing will often preserve much more than the industry itself will. But not always in a high quality or original format. And even if we have it all uncompressed, we're likely only preserving the product, without the methods (designs, blueprints, etc.) of how it was produced (for music, all the instruments or tracks, etc. For games only the binaries, and we won't be able to read those on just any system. As time passes and hardware and software changes, it'll become more and more difficult to use at all).

The problem seems to me to be... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32370968)

.. that we don't know what data we do have, what data we should have, why we have it, what we want to do with it. Data itself is the problem we are collecting collating, storing this crap, if I collect and store enough tires they will eventually catch fire and burn things and poison people, I done know how you really go about estimating the cost of what has already happened, which seems to me to be disastrous, but things like 10 million CC number released, or 10's 100's of millions of Social security/bank account numbers (or sub. for which country you want) released are causing giant disruptions to people individual lives and costing who knows how much in fixing, just as a small example, I had a friend that had his credit score wreaked because of an unsolicited CC that was never activated but charged a something like $2 fee (which it was not supposed to), which was of course never paid since he was completely unaware of it and more than a year, many e-mails and phone calls and lots of straight out frustration an misery it was finally fixed what is that 50? 100? hrs of peoples wasted time and that was a simple billing error never mind a full on identity theft or any number of thousands of other problems erroneous or stolen/posted in to open information can cause to individuals (primarily the ones who pay the cost of these problems) if you want to count it in purely dollar cost my bet is we have already had hundreds of disasters that equal or exceed DWH, certainly on a personal level the level of disaster about to be experienced by the residence of the coast has been exceeded many many times world wide, but it is more diffuse and so less noticeable. I can't list all of the potential problems and people who should be here don't need me to tell them.

Data + Human = TONFO It's the only way to be sure

Sorry wait I'm not a web 2.0 weeny "I say we take off and nuke it from orbit,... its the only way to be sure.."

Besides I didn't RTFA


cjacobs001 (644842) | more than 4 years ago | (#32372036)

A true 'data disaster' would have to be defined to include: 1) loss of data (including minor and major losses)[data is gone]. 2) loss of integrity of that data [the current data cannot be authenticated]. 3) loss of use of the data, even temporarily [loss of access]. 4) loss of the confidentiality of the data [unauthorized exposure of the data, including unauthorized capture]. 5) Unauthorized USE of the data. --->> whether the loss is for an individual or a larger organization can not be a consideration in the definition. the definition would include such loss as may caused, directly or indirectly, by authorized possessors of the data AND unauthorized possessors of the data. Data Disaster. HOW TO PREVENT DATA DISASTER . . should be a topic

mod d03n (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32372334)

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7 icons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32375230)

Does this story set some type of record for the number of icons that appear with it?

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