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Reproducing an Ancient New World Beer

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the mmm-ancho dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 175

The Edible Geography blog has an amusing piece about Patrick McGovern, the "Indiana Jones of Ancient Ales, Wines, and Extreme Beverages," and his role in the production of a 3,400-year-old Mesoamerican beer recreated from a chemical analysis of pottery fragments. "McGovern describes his collaboration with Dogfish Head craft brewers ... to create a beer based on the core ingredients of early New World alcohol: chocolate beans (in nib form, as the cacao pods are too perishable to transport from Honduras to Delaware), honey, corn, ancho chillis, and annatto. ... The result? Cloudy and quite strong (9% A.B.V.), but more refreshing than you would think: the chocolate is savoury rather than sweet, and the chilli is just a very subtle, almost herbal, aftertaste. There is almost no head."

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Excellent! (5, Funny)

sv_libertarian (1317837) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394182)

Just the thing to toast the arrival of 2012 with

Re:Excellent! (1)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394244)

I don't believe in years. They are an invention of infidels and non-Christians. Jesus said that time was an illusion caused by the propagation of gravity waves unevenly through space-time, and that the kingdom of God is made of anti-matter traveling in elliptical circuits through the euclidean space. So I don't dring beer but you are a goat fucker. PRAISE GOD!!!!!

Re:Excellent! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394248)

I love head. Nothing better than watching your dick slide between a woman's mouth (and much better than listening to her talk about some bullshit). Oh, and shooting a wad of baby batter all over her face and tits isn't too bad either.

Re:Excellent! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394318)

One time I had a girlfriend and I put my pee-pee in her butt and poo-stinky smells wafted up to my face when my pee-pee was in her poo-poo butt.

Another time I had a girlfriend and she sat on top when we were doing it and she farted and said Unnnnnnh! at the same time that she farted because she wanted to cover up the fart noise but I knew it and my peen got small because she farted and farting is nasty.

Many girlfrends I have dont know how to wipe their butts properly and it smells because they think that their butt is dirty and they have to be dainty about it but its their butt and they should know how to wipe better so their butts dont stink like rancid cinamon when the panties drop especially if their lying on their tummy with their butt in the air I do NOT want to smell bad cinamon when trying to get dick big.

Re:Excellent! (1)

nickdwaters (1452675) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394620)

This is the funniest thing I've read in weeks! Please mod this to 6!

Re:Excellent! (1)

troll8901 (1397145) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394718)

I don't understand the joke. Are we referring to the Olympics, Mayan, Turing, NEO, Commonwealth, US Census, Korea Military, World Expo, Solar Eclipse, or what?

2012 [wikipedia.org]

Re:Excellent! (1)

longhairedgnome (610579) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394754)

Commenting to undo "Interesting" moderation. I thought this was in reply to the

I love head. Nothing better than watching your

post

Re:Excellent! (1)

ByteSlicer (735276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395398)

Well, you have to be drunk to enjoy that movie...

Head down in shame (0, Offtopic)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394204)

This is the sorta thing that shames me when facing the Russians. Stop it.

Re:Head down in shame (1)

tsalmark (1265778) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394250)

Erm, What? I think the Russians are also rather into experimenting with alcohol.

Re:Head down in shame (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394294)

You're not a Rusky, are you?

Re:Head down in shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394642)

Wasn't that the plot of Leviathan [imdb.com] ?

Re:Head down in shame (0, Offtopic)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394338)

In Soviet Russia, ancient mesoamerican beer shames YOU!!!

Re:Head down in shame (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395886)

Oh just look at their mortality of their men from around 40 years of age, chiefly alcohol-related.

Midas Touch (5, Interesting)

robbievienna (1771246) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394208)

Dogfish Head is also well known here in Delaware for recreating the mead found in King Midas' tomb, based on studies done by UPenn archaeologists in Turkey. The beverage is called Midas Touch and is frickin' amazing.

Re:Midas Touch (5, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394278)

Dogfish Head is also well known here in Delaware for recreating the mead found in King Midas' tomb, based on studies done by UPenn archaeologists in Turkey. The beverage is called Midas Touch and is frickin' amazing.

Even better, you can make it yourself. The recipe is posted here [www.penn.museum] . Mead making is very, very easy. Combine the honey, water and other ingredients in a big plastic bucket, add some wine (or champagne) yeast, yeast nutrient and yeast energizer, and wait. Siphon out into a carboy when fermentation stops. Yummy.

Re:Midas Touch (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394734)

Mead making is very, very easy. Combine the honey, water and other ingredients in a big plastic bucket...

Indeed. And if you're careful about the strain of yeast you use (home-brew shops usually have good tech specs these days), you can ferment the sugars out completely, with a result that is surprisingly similar to a very good, dry fino sherry. But remember the fermentation has to be under an airlock, otherwise instead of producing equal molar quantities of etOH and CO2, the yeast will just produce CO2.

Re:Midas Touch (5, Informative)

Psyborgue (699890) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394486)

It's well known in a lot of places thanks to the documentary "Beer Wars". In the DC area where I live there are several Dogfish Head alehouses [dogfishalehouse.com] and the local Wegmans stocks several of their beers as well. I don't normally like beer but Dogfish Head makes excellent products with variety and eccentricity that actually taste good.

Re:Midas Touch (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395222)

It's not exactly special that Wegman's stocks their beers. They have an oddly large collection of off the wall brews.

After moving far away from the area I now deeply miss Oak Barrel Stout.

Re:Midas Touch (3, Informative)

Phanatic1a (413374) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394544)

Dogfish and McGovern also collaborated on: Jiahu, based on chemanalysis of 9000-year-old pottery fragments from China; Sah'tea, based on 9th-century Finnish sahti; and Pangaea, which is more gimmicky than most of Dogfish head's gimmicks, and includes an ingredient from every continent.

Re:Midas Touch (5, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394694)

It's not really a mead, as it is not primarily honey, but it is good. I like the fact that Dogfish are doing this right. The Japanese brewery that recreated Old Kingdom beer (to the point of reconstructing the original brewing vessels) only did so for one season and distribution was limited. A Californian brewery that recreated one of the 27 known Sumerian beers likewise only did a limited edition. Not all places that sell Dogfish's beers sell Midas Touch though.

Ultimately, there's a huge range of ancient brews that might be very popular but next-to-zero research on the subject and absolutely zero interest from the stores and bars. That has to be fixed before any of this goes anywhere.

For mead, I've produced my own GPLed mead recipe (GPL version 2) which has proven very popular with those who have tried it.

Re:Midas Touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32395082)

You actually licensed a homebrew recipe?

That's...scary. A worrying indictment of the world today, I think.

Re:Midas Touch (5, Informative)

Patch86 (1465427) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395114)

On the subject, you actually can't copyright a recipe. Probably.

http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/copyright/copyright-realworld/recipe-copyrighting.html [findlaw.com]

Re:Midas Touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32395848)

You can't copyright the actual combination of ingredients (you may be able to patent that though, as a form of business method). You can copyright (and as copyright goes, you already have copyrighted) the text that you have made describing how to do so.

Of course, IANAL.

Re:Midas Touch (1)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395896)

When it comes to recipes, I'd say the GPL is probably the most draconian "license" you could come up with (as some other guy points out, you can't actually copyright a recipe, so fuck you). You can't serve the finished product without making the recipe available? You can't serve derivative products without making the recipe changes available under a similar license? What if someone uses your recipe as the base for an improvisation, and fail to take notes? S/he wouldn't be able to make the changes to the recipe available, and thus lose the license to distribute her product. Luckily, there are millions of free recipes available on the web, with no license attached to them, many of them well tested and discussed on appropriate fora. There are millions of recipes that you can buy in books, that also have no license attached to them. I'd suggest that attaching a GPL license to your recipe is a symptom of narcissism and a sure sign that you don't actually know what you're doing.

Re:Midas Touch (1, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394724)

American beer defined at urbandictionary.com [urbandictionary.com] :

Comparable to having sex on a boat. It's fucking close to water.
European person: What's up with this barley water? 241 thumbs up.

What the rest of the world knows as water.
I thought I asked for a beer, not a dasani. 179 thumbs up.

Dog piss and fairy sauce. The crappiest beer ever. Australian and european beer is the best!
yuck taste this crap. its called american beer...
no thanks!
144 thumbs up.

Huffington Post: "The 9 Countries With The Worst Beer In The World [huffingtonpost.com] ". Guess who comes in at #1, as voted by a diverse range of the world's population? Do we really need any more [citations] and footnotes?

The reason for this is back in 1920 our government had the bright idea to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, improve health and hygiene, and reduce the tax burden on poorhouses and prisons by making alcohol illegal to produce, consume, transport, buy, or sell. Prohibition. All distilleries and breweries were shut down and their inventory destroyed (except for a few that were crafty enough to slip under the government's radar). When these breweries were closed down, most of them permanently, their progress in the field of crafting tasty beer was stopped and forgotten. Meanwhile, the rest of the world was making beer like they had been for the past 500 years. Eventually, in 1933, prohibition was lifted and production of alcohol started with a clean slate. This is why American beer sucks: because there is no history, not as much trial-and-error time to get it right as everyone else had. And we haven't even broached the subject of Canadian beer, either, so STFU.

Re:Midas Touch (3, Insightful)

OrwellianLurker (1739950) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394756)

Yeah, what a reliable source for the study--- an internet survey. America does produce lots of crappy beer, but we also produce some of the best beer. It's simple economics. The crap beer is cheap and more in demand.

Re:Midas Touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394850)

How incredibly ignorant - or just yet another "I Hate America" troll on Slashdot.

It is true that the Prohibition kicked good brewing in the nuts here in America, but in the past decade there has been quite a revival in good craft beer. Many American breweries win placements in the World Beer Cup, for example, and even where I live - 45 minutes outside of a medium city, in a semi-rural area - there is a local microbrewery and it is possible to find an excellent selection of domestic and foreign beers.

While Budweiser, Coors, Miller, and other swill are still selling, they are losing market share and it scares the piss out of them. Here in Ohio, Budweiser was a huge advocate against raising the alcohol limit on beer from 6% to 12%, because they knew that it would result in a wider variety of beer being made available. Thankfully they lost, and while the stronger beers are still off the store shelves for now the current variety is quite good.

Re:Midas Touch (1)

harrytuttle777 (1720146) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394878)

Ugghh. Let me guess, you have an axe to grind. So the USA has bad beer. Maybe if more microbreweries keep up the creativity, we will eventually get good. beer. I still don't know what was the point of your post though, since it has nothing to do with the OT (creating a great beer from ancient history). Besides pointing out that American beer is bad is kind of like pointing out that many Europeans act kind of faggy. It is just way to obvious.

As for the 1920 thing. It is interesting that the people who profited the most off of prohibition (bootleggers) rose to the very top of the political power structure in the U.S. Those people in political power are still profiting thought the high taxes paid on alcohol. Kind of makes you go 'hmmm'

Re:Midas Touch (1)

dookiesan (600840) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395280)

Can't speak for the east coast, but have you ever been to Seattle or San Francisco? You'll find many bars with excellent selections of microbrews on tap. These breweries have no long history of trial and error, and it has nothing to do with prohibition; many are less than 20 years old! They are young because microbrews have only recently become trendy.

Re:Midas Touch (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395322)

This is why American beer sucks: because there is no history, not as much trial-and-error time to get it right as everyone else had.And we haven't even broached the subject of Canadian beer, either, so STFU.

I agree with all of your comments, but I'm not entirely sure that a lack of history, at least with respect to technique, has that much to do with it.

First, American beer makers were (and are) free to import both the people and skills necessary to replicate what was developed over countless years in Europe, and if needed, improve on those practices. In some areas of the food and beverage industries, that was done, and to great success, but beer makers, like many others, chose not to. Whether that's the product of pride, cultural bias/discrimination, or foolishness is anyone's guess.

Second, there's the ingredients. That's a bit more complicated, but suffice it to say that in regards to what we eat and drink, the whole is never better than the sum of its parts. Inferior quality ingredients always yield an inferior product.

Third, there's the issue of taste. If beer makers have no sense of what's really good or bad, and their customers similarly don't, where is the obligation or impetus to pursue efforts to replicate something no one cares about, or more accurately, isn't able to discern? The operative phrase here for American success stories is "time and money". If you can save on both, you're a success, and your customers are happy to buy what you sell them.

Wisconsin, I'm told, makes a lot of cheese. I've certainly never tasted anything I would call cheese. Lots of cheesy or cheese-like products, but let's be serious: something wrapped in a label adorned with an Italian flag and aged for 6 months isn't Parmesan. And as for the endless varieties of bland and uninteresting domestic cheeses well, they're bland and uninteresting.

A "lack of history" with respect to inculcated tastes, certainly. The US has made progress, but it's still rooted in the white Wonder bread diets and products that became popular and widely distributed in the fifties, and which Julia Child, among others, devoted her career to changing.

Shitty beer? Most Americans prefer it. Budweiser advertising dollars will ensure that never changes.

Re:Midas Touch (1)

Rollgunner (630808) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395362)

Every brewmaster had either died, moved or suffered amnesia by 1932.

Chocolate (1)

Darkman, Walkin Dude (707389) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395624)

How is it that one of their other recipes features the heavy use of chocolate, which as far as I'm aware should have been unknown to Midas and company?

Almost no head (5, Funny)

FShort (91112) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394210)

welcome to my marriage

Re:Almost no head (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394224)

Figure out how much your SO costs and the cost of a whore. You'll find the whore is invariably cheaper.

Re:Almost no head (0, Offtopic)

nickdwaters (1452675) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394626)

You need to powerup and upgrade to a new wife, my friend. The other didn't get a big enough ring.

me, me, me! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394266)

I can be test subject!
Me, me please!

Want to buy (1)

lazorz (1544583) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394284)

I definitely want to try this, do you all think they'll go into production and if so, where can I get it?

Re:Want to buy (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394348)

I want to place an order also.

Re:Want to buy (4, Informative)

Grygus (1143095) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394402)

It goes on retail every July, according to their schedule [dogfish.com] . Here [dogfish.com] is a map of the retail locations, all in Delaware.

Re:Want to buy (2, Interesting)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394414)

I followed a few links and discovered Dogfish Head originally published this beer in June of 2008. Its called "Theobroma".

http://www.dogfish.com/brews-spirits/the-brews/occassional-rarities/theobroma.htm [dogfish.com]

The blog article in question was just written in May, so I'm assuming he either got an old bottle or the brewers did another production run. I'm going to ask my local dogfish head distributor about it next time I go in and hopefully he can track some down for me.

Re:Want to buy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394776)

A lot of the brew pages were prepopulated when the website was relaunched early last year. Some were probably created in anticipation of the brews being produced, but they may have just been in the planning stages at that point.

Re:Want to buy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394482)

I drink this all the time. If you live on the east cost in NJ/Del/PA area you can hunt it down and find it in some liquor stores. Try there websites "Fish Finder" to see where Dogfish is sold in your area. This beer is awesome any by far my favorite of all of them that they brew. They also have other ancient ales and everyone beer they make I just plan awesome.

AC had a few. (4, Funny)

tivoKlr (659818) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394564)

"They also have other ancient ales and everyone beer they make I just plan awesome."

Really? How many Ancient Ales did you have tonight?

Re:Want to buy (3, Informative)

Nikker (749551) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394698)

If you have the recipe then just goto a microbrewery. You can get a batch made quite easily, you do have to make a bit to make it worth while maybe split the cost with a couple of buddies. Sounds like I might do the same.

Re:Want to buy (1)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394766)

It is going into production, apparently. Dogfish Head beers are available at all of the beer stores that stock micros and even many supermarkets in my part of Ohio. They don't all carry the full line, but the main varieties and some of the seasonals are pretty easy to find. Not sure if they have gone national, but they do distribute widely in the US, at least. The 90 Minute IPA is fantastic and a must try.

The Indiana Jones of Alcohol (4, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394300)

Okay, that is officially the best job description ever.

Re:The Indiana Jones of Alcohol (1)

troll8901 (1397145) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394722)

Did he have to escape rolling boulders, fly planes, fall in love with women, and so forth?

Re:The Indiana Jones of Alcohol (3, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394832)

THIS BELONGS IN MY STOMACH!

Re:The Indiana Jones of Alcohol (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395920)

"Penetration tester" still seems more amusing...

FInally a good story (4, Funny)

plopez (54068) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394306)

There's been a drought of good stories on Slashdot lately, leaving me parched for more. This is a great way to pop open some new discussion, jump in, and drink deeply of the conversation. Did anyone find the actual recipe? I'm thirsty for more knowledge.

Go Away (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394344)

Fucking retard.

Re:FInally a good story (4, Funny)

mortonda (5175) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394364)

The puns are just bubbling from you aren't they? Got any more brewing?

Sorry, had to head that one off at the pass.

Re:FInally a good story (4, Funny)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394554)

Got any more brewing

Consider the following as a barley funny rough draught.

My approach for whatever ales me when reading Slashot is to reduce the problem to pint-sized portions, then with stout determination engage in vigorous physical activity to ferment a solution, ideally, starting with a bending of the elbow. When possible, I leave it to the barmaid to determine whether the glass is half-empty or half-full.

Cheers.

There is almost no head.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394312)

Wait until she's had a few...

Missing from the article... (2, Funny)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394322)

The writer didn't mention his discovery of an ancient tablet written in an ancient Mayan language. The tablet describes the method of brewing this beer and declares that beer is "the cause, and solution, to all of life's problems!"

Re:Missing from the article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394424)

The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

Re:Missing from the article... (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394578)

I'll drink to that!

That's not Mayan language, it's Homeric verse. (3, Funny)

xmark (177899) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394716)

Season 8, 18th episode, to be precise.

Re:That's not Mayan language, it's Homeric verse. (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394966)

Homer Simpson drinks ancient brewski?

Re:Missing from the article... (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394854)

Clearly written by an ancient slashdotter, so unaware of the real problems in life...

Beer Wars (3, Interesting)

futuresheep (531366) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394390)

I love Dogfish Head. As much for the passion they have for producing great beers as for the great beers they produce. Everyone should watch the documentary Beer Wars to see what I mean. http://beerwarsmovie.com/ [beerwarsmovie.com]

in nib form? (1)

bokmann (323771) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394396)

Does the summary mean they are using nib form because 3400 years ago it would have been in nib form to get to that region of the New World, or are they saying they are compromising the original slightly based on the geographic location of the brewer reproducing it today? Surely there is a way to get them to Delaware this day in age...

Re:in nib form? (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394432)

I know, right. Surely, if they can ship bananas to New York from South America and they're still green, then they can ship this cacao husk stuff to Delaware.

Re:in nib form? (1)

ryanleary (805532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394490)

I know, right. Surely, if they can ship bananas to New York from South America and they're still green, then they can ship this cacao husk stuff to Delaware.

The genetically engineered, seedless, under-ripe when picked bananas you mean?

Re:in nib form? (1)

tivoKlr (659818) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394582)

YES those ARE the ones and they're fucking AWESOME!

Re:in nib form? (1)

tivoKlr (659818) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394572)

That's what I was thinkin' isn't there FedEx for gosh shakes? Aren't we flyin' around the planet in aeroplanes nowadays?

How perishable IS this chocolate stuff? I mean Hershey bars are pretty indestructible.

Re:in nib form? (1)

camg188 (932324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395120)

It's not chocolate. They are using a different part of the plant than what Hershey bars are made from. From the article:

made from the fermented fruit that we now discard in favour of the chocolate-producing bean it surrounds.

Inhaling Beer? (2, Funny)

carlzum (832868) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394466)

The head on a Guinness stout has nothing on this beer...

It was apparently served with a thick head of foam, in vessels designed so that “one had the option to inhale the foam or drink directly from the mouth of the vessel.”

Heroin users call that chasing the dragon :)

Re:Inhaling Beer? (1)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394814)

Heroin users call that chasing the dragon :)

No, they don't. Heroin vapors and beer foam are not even remotely similar, and I doubt many junkies drink liquid heroin. Equating the responsible enjoyment of a truly interesting, historical, fine craft beer with illegal drug abuse is not funny. Not even when you put a :) after it.

Re:Inhaling Beer? (3, Informative)

xonar (1069832) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394852)

Equating the responsible enjoyment of a truly interesting, historical, fine craft beer with illegal drug abuse is not funny. Not even when you put a :) after it.

"Ethanol is one of the oldest recreational drugs."
-Wikipedia

Re:Inhaling Beer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394952)

How's the weather up there where you think alcohol drinkers are some sort of special sort?

Re:Inhaling Beer? (1)

carlzum (832868) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394958)

Opium use predates written history, and it certainly has an interesting history. If heroin is legalized, can I make jokes about "craft smack"?

History of Alcohol (5, Interesting)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394484)

Dogish Head also makes Chateau Jihau, which is based on a 9000 year old Chinese recipe. Based on the ingredients of all their historical recreation beers, I can safely say that the ancients just took whatever around them was fermentable, founds some good spices and herbs, and made themselves an alcoholic drink.

Re:History of Alcohol (5, Funny)

spatley (191233) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394556)

Sounds like the ancients were wise and resourceful people with a keen sense of priority.

Re:History of Alcohol (2, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394634)

They were also achingly poor and forever desperate to numb the agonizing grind of their squalid lives.

Luckily, when it comes to developing a culinary tradition of booze, those two statements are essentially synonymous....

Homebrew (2, Interesting)

camg188 (932324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394522)

Go to any homebrewing forum and you can find recipes that were taken from ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics.

The result? Cloudy and quite strong (9% A.B.V.) (4, Funny)

PatPending (953482) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394558)

"The result? Cloudy and quite strong (9% A.B.V.)" --like my urine.

Re:The result? Cloudy and quite strong (9% A.B.V.) (1)

nickdwaters (1452675) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394638)

After a six-pack of dogfish no less.

Not beer. (1, Interesting)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394598)

If there's no grain in it, it's not beer. Since the primary carbohydrate source in it is honey, it's mean - honey wine.
 
And speaking as someone who does historical reproduction cookery: The odds this wine tastes like the source are pretty slim. We don't know what their cacao tasted like or how close the extract shipped from Honduras to Delaware is to the product they would have used. (Reading TFA, it appears that it wasn't very close at all.) We don't know the quality of their honey. (And I bet they didn't use honey from the beverage's native region.) We don't know the taste of their chili's or other spices (or in what form they were used).
 
Not to mention the yeast, cooking, handling, and storage processes... (Note that he had it in a refrigerator - something the Mesoamericans notably lacked.)
 
In short, from a culinary historic point of view, this is junk science à la Mythbusters. It's kinda cool, but it's pretty much worthless and meaningless from a historical and scientific standpoint.

Re:Not beer. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394664)

You're a douchebag. You critique and claim to do "historical reproduction cookery" but you provide no proof. Link or it doesn't happen...

Fucktard.

Re:Not beer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394774)

This.

GP is a pretentious twat. By his reasoning, if he didn't kill and butcher his own meat then his "historical reproduction cookery" is also just plain fucking worthless. Anything purchased from the grocery store? FRAUD!

Fuck you. Seriously.

Re:Not beer. (2, Insightful)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394728)

If there's no grain in it, it's not beer. Since the primary carbohydrate source in it is honey, it's mean - honey wine.

I realize that this is Slashdot, but did you even RTFS? Right up there, the list of ingredients includes corn.

Re:Not beer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394760)

If there's no grain in it, it's not beer. Since the primary carbohydrate source in it is honey, it's mean - honey wine.

I'm assuming mean = mead.

Re:Not beer. (1)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394838)

If there's no grain in it, it's not beer. Since the primary carbohydrate source in it is honey, it's mean - honey wine.

I don't know how nice this mead is, but you're certainly right that it is not beer.

It's kinda cool, but it's pretty much worthless and meaningless from a historical and scientific standpoint.

Agreed again. It is impossible to duplicate an ancient recipe unless we know for sure that we can use the exact same ingredients and utilize the same preparation methods. This is cool though, and perhaps at least somewhat similar to the archaic brew, and I would love to try it.

Pottery fragments? (5, Funny)

PatPending (953482) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394798)

"...a 3400-year-old Mesoamerican beer recreated from a chemical analysis of pottery fragments."

How do we know the pottery fragments weren't from a piss pot?

Re:Pottery fragments? (5, Funny)

WinstonWolfIT (1550079) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395288)

Because the brew didn't come out tasting like Old Milwaukee.

I don't care what the ancients say. (0)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394818)

Chocolate and chilli peppers do _NOT_ fucking belong in beer.

Water, barley, hops, a little yeast. That's it.

Re:I don't care what the ancients say. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32395000)

I don't care what you say, wheat beer doesn't adhere to your rigid standards and it's great beer.

Re:I don't care what the ancients say. (1)

Xiph (723935) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395190)

Beer fundamentalists, like other fundamentalists, have less fun.

Re:I don't care what the ancients say. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32395284)

Look, the squarehead is trying to apply the Reinheitsgebot to a beverage that PREDATES IT BY ABOUT 2900 YEARS. Normally, I'd be beer-nazi goosestepping right along with you, but the purity laws are gonna have to step aside on this one, pal.

Re:I don't care what the ancients say. (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395302)

Have you been to Belgium? That's a whole country that will disagree with you. I've been enjoying a very nice wheat beer recently with a touch of coriander and orange in it - perfect for sitting in the summer sun by the river. There's a time and place for everything, and I'm just as happy with downing a couple of pints of bitter if I have 20 mins to unwind and chat to work colleagues on my way home.

Fraoch Heather (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32394856)

Fraoch heather ale a very good one with origins dating back to 2000 BC...

http://www.fraoch.com/historicales.htm

hmm... (2, Funny)

frnic (98517) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394860)

Problem is that after a pint you have an uncontrollable urge to declare your independence, and write a constitution...

3,400 years old? Meh (3, Interesting)

nofx_3 (40519) | more than 4 years ago | (#32394872)

How about beer produced with 45 MILLION year old yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae (aka brewer’s yeast)) cultivated from a piece of amber. I've tried it and it's damn good too: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/brewery/ [wired.com]

Pfffft... (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395068)

Wake me up when they discover/remember Greek fire.

Sounds good. (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395108)

Although that's the same thing I thought about Chili with chocolate and that was pretty bad.

The wrong yeast? (5, Informative)

haggholm (1678078) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395202)

I haven’t had this particular beer, but I did have the Midas Touch (another Dogfish brand reconstruction), and I rather enjoyed it. It wasn’t nearly as weird or “special” as one might expect; nothing spectacular, but pretty tasty.

However, one thing makes me doubt that either beverage comes anywhere near the original flavour. As per the article, “The fermentation was carried out with a German ale yeast, which is not obtrusive and brings out the flavours of the other ingredients.” The Midas touch certainly tasted like that was the case there, too. However, that long ago there was no such thing as cultivated strains of brewer’s yeast—fermentation was done with wild yeasts (leave the vats open, let naturally occurring yeast spores drift in on the breeze, gaze in wonder as the brew transforms for no reason discernible without a microscope). As anyone who has had a Lambic beer (still made with spontaneous fermentation) can attest, spontaneously fermented beers taste vastly different from beers fermented with cultivated yeast: Wikipedia calls it “bracingly sour”.

At first I was like! (1)

Rusty KB (1778458) | more than 4 years ago | (#32395456)

A first I thought we were talking about bears.... But then, ahhhhhh something actually *useful*!
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