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Asus Joins Tablet PC Race

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the aiming-for-a-piece-of-the-apple-pie dept.

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WrongSizeGlass writes "Reuters is reporting that netbook pioneer Asustek Computer Inc. has become the latest technology company to jump on the tablet PC bandwagon. The device will be called the Eee Pad, will run on Intel or ARM chips, and use Microsoft's Windows operating system. 'The Eee Pad can display Adobe Flash for the full web experience, has a USB port and a camera,' Asus Chairman Jonney Shih said. Asus did not release pricing details or a potential release date, and did not provide further details on the format or a launch date for the new app store."

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Half baked (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408598)

TG Daily [tgdaily.com] says it's half baked. "Wasn't booting at all."

But at least there's hope for the people who want yet another Windows 7 tablet. Both of them should be real happy with this - next year. Neither tablet will be ready this year.

Re:Half baked (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409052)

will run on Intel or ARM chips, and use Microsoft's Windows operating system.

Some manufacturers just don't get it and some do. [afterdawn.com]

Expect epic fail, Asus. You've been warned.

Re:Half baked (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409072)

God I hope you're wrong. The iPad is in desperate need of a decent competitor - otherwise people are going to start thinking that a giant iPod Touch is the only way to go when it comes to tablets.

I for one would welcome a 10-12" Windows 7 tablet with 10 hours of battery life... oh, and no capacitive screen - Wacom stylus please!

Re:Half baked (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409170)

I hope they make you what you want, for you. I don't see anything shipping before next year though and by then it will be hard to displace the iPad and Android. I doubt there's much of a market for such a thing.

Vendors need product they can ship for Christmas. All the non-AT&T carriers need a product they can carry, and they need it right now. The iPad has just gone over 2 million units in 60 days. A year from now, not allowing for the usual bump for Christmas that's 14 million iPads in the market if they can get them manufactured that fast. 14 million units at a $700 average selling price (a guess) is just shy of ten billion dollars.

At the family gathering yesterday there were about thirty adults there. The iPad came up. Two of them have it already but didn't bring it. All but one person intended to buy one before the end of the year. Anecdote, I know... we're a nerdly bunch.

Re:Half baked (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409294)

God I hope you're wrong. The iPad is in desperate need of a decent competitor - otherwise people are going to start thinking that a giant iPod Touch is the only way to go when it comes to tablets.

Yeah, people might confuse success for something that people actually want!

I for one would welcome a 10-12" Windows 7 tablet with 10 hours of battery life... oh, and no capacitive screen - Wacom stylus please!

I'm sure there's a small, but very real, market for tablets of the type you are describing, that market is completely dwarfed by the market for the iPad.

Re:Half baked (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409356)

> Yeah, people might confuse success for something that people actually want!

You mean like MS-DOS vs. Macintosh?

Re:Half baked (1, Troll)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409414)

Why would you want Windows on a tablet? Even if they somehow got the OS to work right with a tablet - which I can't imagine since it'd mean a total redesign of the OS and an actual understanding of usability (which no Microsoft product has ever shown) - then, either the apps would still have to be custom re-written to work correctly on a tablet or you'd just be using apps that don't function well at all. Either way the user would still have to learn to use a new system so where is the benefit over using iPhone OS or even Android or webOS? Why not just get one of the million existing Windows tablet PCs?

The only benefit I can see to a Windows tablet is that Windows developers that don't know C, C++, or Java, or are just to dim to learn a new platform in these languages, wouldn't have to learn to program. Well written C, C++, and Java apps can be pretty easily ported to either iPhone OS or Android anyway so it's really only a problem for poorly written apps and half baked developers. As a user I'd prefer to have fewer of these apps floating around causing trouble anyway; I don't need Flash using up 99% of my system resources to animate a button; I don't want to install half a dozen apps to find one that actually functions just to later learned that the others fscked up my registry; I don't need a virus, a worm, or spamware either.

And a stylus? WTF is wrong with you! ;) No actually what I want is for them to make a good multi-touch screen that also plays well with a stylus. I've seen some styluses that track pressure themselves and communicate that data back over BT. I guess that's okay but I wonder about battery life and bulk.

Re:Half baked (4, Insightful)

znu (31198) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409226)

All these companies seem to be saying to themselves "Wow, Apple sold 2M units and their product doesn't even have a camera or a USB port, and can't play Flash. If we make sure our product has those, we'll be rich!"

Meanwhile, these vendors seem totally oblivious to the all the things Apple got exactly right with the iPad (form factor, battery life, consistent touch-optimized UI, integration with the existing iTunes ecosystem, revenue generation features for third-party developers built into the system, ability to draw on existing iPhone/Mac developer pool obsessed with user experience, etc.). The companies doing this are going to end up with buggy, slow, awkward devices that consumers won't touch, and they'll be scratching their head saying "But we have more features! It makes no sense!"

HP is pretty much the only company that seems to have a coherent response to the iPad. It's rather obvious what happened to their Windows 7 based Slate device. They were planning to ship that as their response to Apple, but then someone at HP actually used an iPad, and said, basically "Holy $h!t, we're not going to match this by taking a Windows 7 netbook and ripping the keyboard off". And fortunately for them, WebOS -- which has the potential to be a very credible tablet platform with a bit of reworking -- happened to be for sale.

Disregard any tablet running a desktop OS; they've been on the market for years and nobody wants them. And disregard attempts by companies that know nothing about platform-building to adapt current smartphone versions of Android (or desktop Linux distros) to tablet use. They'll do it badly, and hardly anyone will write apps with such monstrosities in mind.

Watch HP with WebOS. Watch Google, when they get around to doing a real tablet version of Android. Watch Apple (obviously). And watch Microsoft, when it eventually occurs to them that they need to do a tablet version of Windows Phone 7 rather than pushing desktop Windows 7 on tablets.

Everything else will prove to be an irrelevant sideshow.

Agreed (4, Interesting)

Weezul (52464) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409312)

WebOS beats the pants off Windows Mobile. I'll hold out for Intel shipping a MeeGo tablet however. N900s are fucking awesome.

Re:Half baked (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409378)

> Meanwhile, these vendors seem totally oblivious to the all the things Apple got exactly right with the iPad

Making it an warmed over rehash of an already successful product tied to other already successful products

Your iTunes fixation is a great reflection of this.

If it is an open system and supports the likes of Amazon and Netflix then it will make iTunes moot.

Windows on ARM??? Er... (0)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408620)

Pretty sure if this thing will run Windows, it is not going to be an ARM chip.

Re:Windows on ARM??? Er... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32408642)

"will run on Intel or ARM chips"

I know it's a lot to ask to RTFA, but at least RTFSummary.

Re:Windows on ARM??? Er... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32408656)

Why not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_ce

NT with a CE compatibility layer (1, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408658)

Pretty sure if this thing will run Windows, it is not going to be an ARM chip.

There's no reason why a Windows brand operating system can't run on ARM. Just as Windows XP has "wowexec" to run Windows 3.1 apps, and 64-bit builds of Windows 7 have "wow32" to run Win32 apps, perhaps an ARM build of Windows 7 would have "wowce" to run apps designed for Windows Mobile [wikipedia.org] .

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (2, Insightful)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408756)

Yes except then every existing windows application in the world would not run.

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32408808)

It's a tablet, not a desktop.

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (3, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408894)

It's a tablet, not a desktop.

But I suspect people will still want to run applications on it.

The only reason to run Windows is to run Windows applications, so if Windows applications don't run, why would anyone choose it over Linux or iWhatever?

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409468)

If ARM netbooks/tablets with Windows come out, you can be sure that many Windows applications will be quickly ported to ARM. For most, it would be just a recompile away, anyway. For .NET stuff, not even that.

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409038)

It's a slate, not a tablet.

Tablet PCs have keyboards, slates don't. I hate it when marketing tries to redefine a word.

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409200)

hey retard, "slate" comes from the microsoft marketing department.

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409324)

It's a slate, not a tablet.

Tablet PCs have keyboards, slates don't.

Tablet != Tablet PC.

I hate it when marketing tries to redefine a word.

You mean like MS using the word "slate" like crazy during CES when everyone thought Apple was going to call their tablet the iSlate?

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (1)

BumpyCarrot (775949) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408886)

Yes. That's what Windows CE is. Do some searching before you go crazy with the Q marks.

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408902)

Finally, Linux achieves parity with Windows!

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (3, Insightful)

Seth Kriticos (1227934) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409006)

Finally, Linux achieves parity with Windows!

You got it wrong. This time Linux runs circles around Windows. Though Windows losses it's selling point, as existing x86 binary applications don't run on this thing (if it is ARM), existing Linux apps can just be recompiled and run just fine on ARM.

You basically have the inverse situation here.

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409092)

Actually, thanks to .Net a lot of windows applications won't even need a recompile.

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409216)

Actually, thanks to .Net a lot of windows applications won't even need a recompile.

Sticking Windows and then .Net onto an ARM and telling people that it will run their Windows applications sounds like a recipe for disaster; half of them will discover that most of the Windows apps they own won't run, and the other half will discover that they run so slow they weren't worth bothering with in the first place.

I can only assume that Asus are announcing this now to win some goodies from Microsoft but won't be dumb enough to actually release it.

Re:NT with a CE compatibility layer (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409424)

an ARM build of Windows 7 would have "wowce" to run apps designed for Windows Mobile

Yes except then every existing windows application in the world would not run.

Windows 7 for ARM wouldn't run Windows x86 apps. But it would run Silverlight apps, XNA games, and (as I mentioned) Windows CE apps, and it would run a version of Microsoft Office re-engineered for touch to compete with iWork.

It isn't an ARM chip. (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409368)

Pretty sure if this thing will run Windows, it is not going to be an ARM chip.

It runs on a Consumer Ultra-Low Voltage [wikipedia.org] CULV Intel Core 2 Duo processor.

The OS is Windows 7 Compact Embedded. [wmpoweruser.com] [May 29]

Re:It isn't an ARM chip. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409482)

Then again, WinCE does run on ARM (indeed, it's what it's usually runs on), so they may well have an ARM edition - it wouldn't be news.

And they thought "iPad" was bad (4, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408624)

I'm sure no one will stoop to the level of calling it a Pee Pad. Nope.

Compare to Overclocked GameCube (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408688)

I'm sure no one will stoop to the level of calling it a Pee Pad. Nope.

Most of the Wii jokes died down after the first six months.

Re:Compare to Overclocked GameCube (2, Funny)

hack slash (1064002) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408794)

The stream just dried up...

Re:And they thought "iPad" was bad (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408720)

No, but in Canada they can call it the "eh pad", eh?

Re:And they thought "iPad" was bad (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408904)

No, but in Canada they can call it the "eh pad", eh?

Hoser!

"Flash" (5, Insightful)

nemasu (1766860) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408630)

Is it just me or does it seem ridiculous that "our device X supports flash" is becoming a major selling point??

Re:"Flash" (2, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408706)

Yes and no. If it does, in fact, become a major selling point,(as in, actually drives considerable amount of consumer behavior), then clearly a lot of people need flash a lot more than I do.

However, as a marketing bullet point, it makes perfect sense. Adobe already supports Windows, and is desperate to support android, so if you are running one of those, the engineering is done for you, more or less. Plus, it makes for an easy, instant, product differentiation vs. the iDevices. Completely logical that you would see it showing up as a bullet point.

Re:"Flash" (1)

MokuMokuRyoushi (1701196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408822)

Why is this post labeled Flamebait? The question is actually legitimate. To see so many devices not supporting Flash(whether or not you personally use it, or find it useful) is rather disappointing. Am I wrong?

Re:"Flash" (2, Insightful)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409458)

I'm not disappointed. I want to see Flash die a horrible, flaming death.

Re:"Flash" (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409022)

There is a lot of content on the web that requires flash. For some people, they will not purchase an iPad because it does not have flash, and will not allow them to view all fo the content they normally view. For those people, having flash certainly is a selling point.

What seems more ridiculous is that devices like the iPad don't support flash.

Re:"Flash" (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409402)

There is a lot of content on the web that requires flash. For some people, they will not purchase an iPad because it does not have flash, and will not allow them to view all fo the content they normally view. For those people, having flash certainly is a selling point.

I suspect the number of people who will not buy an iPad due to its lack of Flash are already outnumbered by the people who have already bought an iPad.

Lack of Flash is used as a jab against the iPad disproportionate with the actual impact the lack of Flash has on the consumer. It's a cry of desperation from the underdog. Flash is already being replaced all across the web, driven by the demand from iPhone OS users.

Re:"Flash" (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409422)

> What seems more ridiculous is that devices like the iPad don't support flash.

The iPad represents ancient technology in some respects. One key thing that makes this
less obvious is how Apple controls the experience. If end users are able to run things
willy-nilly or try to play any random video file, the out-dated-ness of the iPad becomes
readily apparent.

If the iPad ran Flash, then all of the review sites would be in the same position to
eviscerate it for it's poor Flash performance for the same exact reason they do the
same for normal netbooks. Atom and ARM are piss poor choices for software video decoding.

Re:"Flash" (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409454)

Is it just me or does it seem ridiculous that "our device X supports flash" is becoming a major selling point??

Flash is more than video.

The Flash 10.1 RC for Windows supports hardware acceleration.

The installed base for Flash on Windows is as close to 100% as makes no difference.

Re:"Flash" (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409630)

Is it just me or does it seem ridiculous that "our device X supports flash" is becoming a major selling point??

If the rest of the internet has been babbling about Apple and Flash the same way Slashdot has been babbling about it, it's easy to believe why they'd see it that way.

The fanboys will scream (3, Insightful)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408636)

And then whimper when they find out Asus has been making Apple products for years.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1042363/asus-apple-building-tablet-pc [theinquirer.net]

Re:The fanboys will scream (-1, Troll)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408734)

Anyone who actually thinks Apple makes their own shit is a moron. Thirty seconds looking at the specs show that the components are all off-the-shelf stuff, just put in a shiny case. Why would they change that for any of their devices when it's worked so well so far?

Re:The fanboys will scream (5, Informative)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408832)

I'm not a fanboy, but that's not exactly true. Yes, most of their devices do have a lot of stock components, however apple does do a lot of custom ASIC's in their products and supposed the new CPU is an apple modified version of teh ARM Cortex... so they do do their own hardware as well.

Re:The fanboys will scream (2, Informative)

Dragoniz3r (992309) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409392)

In fact, from what I've heard from a buddy who used to work at apple, it's not uncommon for them to do custom designs (by which I mean minor adjustments, not wholescale redesigns) for their chips. They don't manufacture them, certainly, but they're not just shipping devices with bog-standard chips they got from sparkfun.

Re:The fanboys will scream (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409476)

Interesting article. Asus leaked that they will be building Apple's tablet, based on the Intel Core processors, and it will run Leopard. In 2007.

As for the relationship between Asus (and other Taiwanese companies) and Apple, they have been manufacturing Apple products for years, but they have not been making them. That's how the entire industry works. And anyone who pays any attention to the tech world already knows this. Foxconn specifically has been prominent in the news in this regard, but this dynamic is by no means kept secret. Apple products even prominently display "Designed by Apple in California, Assembled in China".

Re:The fanboys will scream (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409676)

Wow! I didn't know Asus wrote the iPad's operating system!

Android (4, Insightful)

TBoon (1381891) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408638)

So, Intel or ARM is still not decided, but that it will run Windows is? Guess that must be WinCE? But why not put Android on it? To make a real alternative to those cheap/underpowered chinese android pads floating around, and give the WePad a run for it's money?

Re:Android (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32408696)

...or rather, at this early point, Asus won't dare to openly challenge The Bully and talk about anything but Windows.

Re:Android (1)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408860)

Because Android still has lots of issues on tablets. Until Google "blesses" it for use on a tablet PC, it's going to have a lot of limitations. For instance, Google will not allow tablet versions of Android to use the Android Marketplace... so you now have to provide a way to get apps to your tablet, and that is a headache a lot of manufactuers don't want. Either that or tell your customers to fend for themselves in finding apps.

Re:Android (2, Interesting)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409016)

So, Intel or ARM is still not decided, but that it will run Windows is? Guess that must be WinCE? But why not put Android on it?

Because Asus sold access to their soul to MS, probably in exchange for preferential pricing or safety from a patent or few, would be my guess. Hence "its better with Windows" being plastered on the promo sites for certain eee models last year.

Re:Android (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409242)

Hence "its better with Windows" being plastered on the promo sites for certain eee models last year.

The funny part is that my EeePC works so much better with Linux than it does with Windows... I don't even remember the last time I booted it into the Windows partition.

Re:Android (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409580)

I've noticed that hardware that's good enough that significant effort goes into getting it to work in Linux (eg. anything Intel makes, it seems; Realtek hardware - if only due to quantity/commonality, etc.) will work better in Linux than in Windows. This seems to be the case with anything that is supported well in Linux, in fact: it'll run better there than in Windows. (I think NTFS on slow disks is largely the cause of poor performance on Windows, at that.)

I wonder if Asus has enough market sway to say "make Windows work on ARM". With the new Atom CPUs, it's questionable whether there's enough incentive, but Asus is the "Apple of PC hardware" in many regards (sans the price premium).

Re:Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409236)

According to anandtech, http://www.anandtech.com/show/3747/asus-pursues-the-openapple-dream-with-eee-pad-at-computex-2010, the 10" version will use an ARM chip (NVIDIA's Tegra 2 platform), while the 12" version will use an Intel CULV chip and be more of a tablet notebook.

Day Late... (4, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408654)

Neither model is expected to hit the market until Q1 2011, with prices tipped at between $399 and $499.

At which point the iPad will have been out for an entire year. Every one else that can will have jumped on the bandwagon. If I *wanted* a *Pad, I'd go and get an iPad. I'm not waiting until Q1 of next year for something.

Reminds me of what PCWorld said about the Windows 7 Phone:
"If this were two years ago, Windows Phone 7 might even be a cutting edge innovation that could set the smartphone world on fire."

Re:Day Late... (3, Insightful)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408726)

iPad, iShmad. I am willing to wait until a tablet comes out that does what I want. Or (more unlikely) until Apple decide that it will allow the things I want to do with a tablet to be done.

Re:Day Late... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409014)

Do you have a quick list? I'm honestly curious.

Re:Day Late... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409204)

real file management, for one? usb host support? real printing capabilities? need i go on?

Re:Day Late... (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409464)

Plays EyeTV HD recordings without the need for a realtime transcoding server.

Plays HD HomeRun recordings without the need for a realtime transcoding server.

Plays Handicam home movies without the need for a realtime transcoding server.

Comes with 250G+ internal storage or allows me to connect external storage.

Connects to upnp servers and samba servers and netatalk.

Allows for management of the device in the complete absence of iTunes.

Re:Day Late... (2, Funny)

lotho brandybuck (720697) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408738)

... "If I *wanted* a *Pad ..."

Sweet. The SPLAT Pad. I want one!

Re:Day Late... (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409114)

I hear the SPLAT Pad is optimized for pr0n.
And semen proof.

Re:Day Late... (4, Interesting)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408774)

What about those of us who *might* want a tablet if it had a maximum price of $500 and could run what we want to on it? If it's made by Asus and has Windows installed by default, then there's a good chance it can be made to run Linux also.

Re:Day Late... (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408812)

I like the Fark headline spin on that article: "If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon."

Re:Day Late... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32408824)

If I *wanted* an *Pad, I'd have gotten one already. Oh, wait, I did, in early 2008.

I bought a tablet from Motion Computing in early 2008, and I've been very happy with it. It lets me use a stylus to take notes. I use peer-to-peer interactive whiteboard software, so that I can work on maths with my colleagues; this software is in Python so it runs happily on Windows, Mac, and Linux (including the Nokia N900 and the ARM tablet from Always Innovating).

When Apple or anyone else makes a *Pad that works with a stylus and runs Python and is fairly light and fairly fast and has a good battery, then I will happily switch. I'd bet though that it will be someone else, not Apple.

Re:Day Late... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409074)

Motion Computing's tablets are pretty much the definition of awesome - if you can afford them. At $2000-$4000, they're a bit out of my price range for a non-primary computer, but you can always pick up some used ones off ebay. Once you replace the old battery, they're great. They're built to last, so used ones are almost as good as new. Try pulling this [youtube.com] off with an iPad!

Re:Day Late... (1)

V50 (248015) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408966)

Not only that, but by 2011 the next revision of the iPad should be coming out. Like the iPod and iPhone, I imagine it'll really be the second and third revision of the iPad that become popular.

Re:Day Late... (2, Insightful)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408998)

Even then the market will be far from saturated, especially considering that Apple targets only premium people living in premium places.

Did you know that, for a few years, you can easily find, say, a manufacturer which sells more media players than the total number of iPods produced up to that point? Not so visible in favorite markets of analysts/etc., but...

Asus have missed an opportunity here... (4, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408712)

Asus should remarket themselves as "Snapple", call the device the "iPud" and appoint a new CEO with glasses called "Steve Jibs".

I'm sure if Steve Jibs of Snapple Inc. post some viral videos of the iPud showing its Adobe support, multi-tasking and USB ports, thousands of rabid fanbois would queue up outside Snapple Stores to buy one and part with their hard-earned cash before they had calmed down enough to realise they had been duped, albeit with a device of better capabilities than their iPads.

Re:Asus have missed an opportunity here... (1, Funny)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408786)

You're missing the point, if Steve Jobs says that a keyboard shouldn't have an M key, then by God it shouldn't have an M key. I mean, I think that's what that old stupid mouse button thing was about. Thankfully they've come to their senses, but Apple is rather notorious for telling users what they can and can't do with there devices. Sure flash sucks, but it ought to be up to the users to decide rather than some arbitrary licensing restrictions to decide.

Re:Asus have missed an opportunity here... (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408866)

I think you've missed my point - I was joking about Asus exploiting the feeble-mindedness of the fanbois in order to make some money out of them...

Re:Asus have missed an opportunity here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409020)

You don't need an "M" key to spell either Apple or Steve Jobs. It's a useless key.

"Asus Chairman Jonney Shit" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32408736)

what a shitty name.

Re:"Asus Chairman Jonney Shit" (0, Offtopic)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409082)

I hate to say this but in some parts of the UK, "Jobs" (or "Jobbies") mean "turds".

Re:"Asus Chairman Jonney Shit" (1)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409484)

Really? Is this the best you can do? Do you have anything to say that might sound as though it came from an adult?

Re:"Asus Chairman Jonney Shit" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409120)

For idiots who think everyone speaks English, Shih means stone.

The browser is Opera (5, Interesting)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408770)

I was about to say "surprisingly", but then realized that it isn't really that surprising after all: The Eee Pad seems to use Opera [youtube.com] as its browser.

Best of both worlds? (1)

hack slash (1064002) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408772)

I really like my Eee's, couldn't ever see myself buying a tablet because I use the keybboard on them so much and a non-tactile keyboard that gets in the way of the application you're typing into doesn't appeal to me much.

However if I wanted a tablet I'd get an Asus T91, virtually the same size as my Eee 900's, with multitouch capabilities on the higher model and the screen rotates round to hide the keyboard, allowing you to use it as a notebook and a tablet.

Re:Best of both worlds? (0, Flamebait)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408994)

Except that the T91 has a slow as hell processor, only 16GB of flash which will likely be almost entirely eaten up by Windows, has a resistive touchscreen rather than a capacitive one... and i highly doubt it's multi-touch being that it's a resistive touchscreen (ie requires pressure).

Just not my idea of a good Windows tablet. It should have at least 32GB, use a capacitive screen, and a snappy CPU.

Re:Best of both worlds? (2, Informative)

hack slash (1064002) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409232)

My hat goes off to you, you are a true slashdotter who takes the phrase "never let the facts get in the way of a good argument" to heart.

T91 multitouch demonstrated almost a year ago - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdcpo3-XxI0 [youtube.com] It has 32GB SSD not 16GB, and an Atom Z520, at 1.3GHz which is perfectly fine for webbrowsing, web video etc.
What, do you want a core i7 or something in a tablet ?

Re:Best of both worlds? (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409486)

At least an Atom can decode an SD MPEG2 video without stuttering.

It can even handle the lower res Flash videos (contrary to all of the whining of the talking heads).

Atoms mainly fall down with the stuff that the iPad doesn't even support playing.

Joins? (4, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408804)

By announce a simi-vapor product with no concrete release date or price..

Adobe flash for the full web experience! (2, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408816)

By the time this comes out, with how things are going Flash may be just a distant memory.

Re:Adobe flash for the full web experience! (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409062)

Yes, because of course there's been an absolute *DELUGE* of web sites migrating away from Flash to HTML5 since the iPad came out!

Re:Adobe flash for the full web experience! (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409220)

Just the big players so far. Smaller ones will follow so as not to be left out.

Sure it takes time to change, but in the IT world a year is a LONG way away.

Re:Adobe flash for the full web experience! (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409258)

Well, go on then... some examples of "big players" please, rather than the generalised sweeping statement typical of the genus fanboius incredibilus gobshite.

What big players? (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409714)

If, by big players, you mean players such as Hulu and Netflix, no dice. Not going to happen. They've said so.

Re:Adobe flash for the full web experience! (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409730)

By the time this comes out, with how things are going Flash may be just a distant memory.

Apple has sold two million iPads.

That translates to 0.03% of web users. 0.12% in the states. Headlines [netmarketshare.com]

Windows has a global share of 91%. Win 7, 12% and closing in fast on 20%. Operating System Market Share [netmarketshare.com] [May 31]

Pad. How Original (2, Insightful)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408828)

The problem with tablets running "full" operating systems is that Windows, OS X, etc are designed specifically for keyboard and mouse/trackpad interfaces and not touch. Having a multitude of windows on a touch screen where you simply substitute your finger / stylus for input and still requires keyboard input via the on screen keyboard is not an optimal solution. I've used the iPad and windows powered tablets, and while the iPad doesn't do all the things I'd like it to do, the interface is ideal for a touch screen, unlike regular windows 7. Unless Asus is going to invest in a really good touch interface to sit on top of windows, or use android or some other OS designed for touch, this will be a failure.

Re:Pad. How Original (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409528)

You make it sound like no one ever made any other software for PCs that have utilized other inputs.

A lot of what the iPad does with touch isn't even terribly magical.

It's not the tech, it's the approach. It's just that all the fanboys want to whine about
is the spiffy new gadgets. They certainly are prone to grab you're attention but they
really aren't the most important part. Although it certainly benefits Apple for their
users to fixate on the wrong details.

horrible (3, Insightful)

yyxx (1812612) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408846)

A Windows 7 tablet and a Windows CE tablet, both lousy software platforms for tablets. They should be shipping Android, ChromeOS, and MeeGo.

Yawn (2, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#32408976)

EEE Pad? Not even Linux based? **yawn**.... another "me too". Nothing innovative here. There have been many MS-Windows tablets for many years. There is no reason to think this is anything different.

Another device-maker (1)

enryonaku (1441337) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409128)

thinks that they can be successful in the market place by appealing to nerds. Hint: nerds are few, they are cheap, and they are high maintenance. You don't make a profit by appealing to this demographic.

Instead of trumpeting flash, usb ports, and processors, you talk about something that adds value to the consumer experience?

The iPad is not a *Tablet* PC... (-1, Flamebait)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409186)

...it is a "Suppository" PC because the mere mention of it on Slashdot these days makes we want to ram one up the nearest smug fanboi's ass!

Re:The iPad is not a *Tablet* PC... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409492)

You need to grow a thicker skin if the mere mention of an electronic device invokes violent feelings in you.

They just don't get it (2, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409210)

These rubbish Windows OS based tablets have been around for years, they've sold poorly (even Bill Gates's predictions were completely wrong) and just have rubbish usability. Why will they sell now?

Why do you think Apple put iPhone OS on the iPad? simple, there is masses of touch screen compatible software for iPhone OS, the UI is great for a touch screen (it was built for one). Apple even redesigned and rebuilt their office tools for the touchscreen.

Microsoft couldn't do any of the above, there's just too many internal squabbles and underhanded tactics at Microsoft. The head of the Office software team refused to support tablets, so Office is painful to use. Windows itself only has a hack of a tablet layer on top of it to support tablets.

Re:They just don't get it (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409306)

Why do you think Apple put iPhone OS on the iPad?

You know, I'm pleased you gave me the correct answer because my first response was going to be "Because it cuts downs on development costs while still giving Apple the opportunity to overprice the item, thus allowing Steve Jobs to earn even more filthy fanboi lucre for just churning out a bigger Touch".

Thanks for putting me on the correct track, you may make a cultist of me yet!

Captain Picard uses one, and so will you. (2, Interesting)

jasmusic (786052) | more than 4 years ago | (#32409426)

Tablet-like computing is the future, and although Microsoft's absolute fucking around stalled it for years and forfeited the market to Apple, the outcome is still inevitable. What I'm waiting for is a Tablet PC that finally eliminates the lag when you draw on the screen with a stylus. I want to get rid of the security, storage, and landfill problems inherent with drawing my designs in paper notebooks.

try try again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32409470)

Windows tablets been around for about 10 years. Why do they think putting a desktop OS on a tablet is suddenly going to work?

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