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Snails On Methamphetamine

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the escargot-on-ice dept.

Idle 93

sciencehabit writes "Science answers the question: What happens when you put a snail on speed? From the article: 'The results suggest that meth improves memory, something that has been previously observed in creatures with large, complex brains like rats and humans. But since the snails store their memories in a simple, three-neuron network, the team hopes that studying the meth effect in these gastropods will help pinpoint how the drug's memory magnification powers work.'"

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Interesting (5, Funny)

davidsinn (1438403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421418)

Three neurons for a memory. Sounds like the congress.

Re:Interesting (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421458)

stop insulting the snails (the ones with the shell on their backs)

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32424234)

i thought they had a shill on the back?

Re:Interesting (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421614)

Congress has a longer memory than you think. Especially when you hand them cash.

Re:Interesting (2, Funny)

ragefan (267937) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422696)

Clearly due to all the meth and coke on the cash.

Re:Interesting (1)

riT-k0MA (1653217) | more than 4 years ago | (#32429252)

Congress has a longer memory than you think. Especially when you OWE them cash.
FTFY.

Re:Interesting (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423822)

Three neurons for a memory. Sounds like the congress.

I think you are thinking of morons, not neurons.

Re:Interesting (1)

Alien1024 (1742918) | more than 4 years ago | (#32424618)

Clarification please: you mean Congress, or Libraries of Congress?

Re:Interesting (3, Funny)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 4 years ago | (#32440522)

OK. It's really simple.

"Libraries of Congress" is a measure of information. It is unit based on the amount of printed data stored by the Library of Congress expressed in bytes. It's value is 10 terabytes, according to some random website I googled, but that value seems awfully low to me unless you're talking strictly text data.

"Congress" is a measure of corruption and incompetence. It is a unit based on the measure of immoral and destructive acts committed by the U. S. Congress expressed in terms of bogon flux. A bogon is a quantum of stupidity (also referred to as an "anti-cluon" or "tau-moron"). All stupid and many evil people emit a bogon flux, which increases proportionally with the level of stupidity or petty evil a person commits. For instance, if a 10-year-old calls you "gay" because you like classical music, he is emitting approximately 1 bogon per cm^2*s (also referred to a having a "bogosity of 1"). If your boss forces you to work late and miss a concert because you neglected to put the new covers on your TPS reports, he has a bogosity of around 1000. A bogosity of a million (10e6) has been officially designed in the SI system as a "darl".

Andy Dick registers in the 5 to 8 darl range. Steve Ballmer averages about 20 darls, but researchers measured a spike of nearly a kilodarl when he performed his "monkeyboy" dance. Although the U.S. Congress has been measured at bogosity levels as low as 800 kilodarls, measured shortly after they balanced the budget in 1998, all the way to well over 300 megadarls in the aftermath of 9/11 to nearly 4 gigadarls measured during the passage of the latest "stimulus" bill, a "Congress" was traditionally (and informally) considered to represent a bogon flux of 1 megadarl. This began to be regarded as woefully out of date by 2003. In recent years, the round number of 1 gigadarl has become the commonly accepted value of "Congress", which is equal to approximately 6.4 Kim Jong-Ils or an even six-pack of Mahmoud Ahmadinejads.

Re:Interesting (1)

justin12345 (846440) | more than 4 years ago | (#32441374)

Damnit where are my mod points when I need them!
+1 Funny

Not surprised (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421434)

I think it would take someone who is quite familiar with drugs to ask a question like "What happens when you put a snail on speed".

And I don't mean someone like a pharmacist.

Re:Not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32421866)

After all its been said many times that college students do more speed than bikers.

Re:Not surprised (3, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422392)

I think it would take someone who is quite familiar with drugs to ask a question like "What happens when you put a snail on speed".

What's your judgment of the mental state of someone whom asks:

What happens if "I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream; that's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight razor... and surviving. ", on speed.

Re:Not surprised (1)

Rusty KB (1778458) | more than 4 years ago | (#32434502)

Fucking AWESOME!

Re:Not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423208)

As much as I hate to admit it I know what happens when you put a cat on speed.

Too much credit (1)

DarksouldragonX (1082077) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421472)

I think your giving Congress 2 neuron's too many.

Re:Too much credit (5, Funny)

Darth Hamsy (1432187) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422042)

Oh, the irony.

Re:Too much credit (3, Insightful)

Shatrat (855151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32425996)

I see what you did they're...

Re:Too much credit (3, Insightful)

boneclinkz (1284458) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422474)

I think your giving Congress 2 neuron's too many.

I think your comment's got it all wrong.

Sharing is caring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32421530)

Here you go snail. One for you. One for me.

What about the converse? (4, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421570)

What happens when you put a greyhound on qualudes?

Re:What about the converse? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32421800)

What happens when you put a greyhound on qualudes?

Same thing as if you have snails on meth. WALK FOR YOUR LIVES!

Re:What about the converse? (1)

2names (531755) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423586)

You get Snoop Doggy Dogg?

Re:What about the converse? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32424334)

No idea. But I do know that if you put a hoser like Jeff Spicoli on quaaludes you end up with Sean Penn.

Somewhat pertinent Turing word: crystal

Re:What about the converse? (3, Funny)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 4 years ago | (#32426052)

It slows down enough for you to see the individual colours.

NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (1)

abbynormal brain (1637419) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421680)

is the way I first read this and talk about an excuse for meth users! But I came to my senses and was reminded that we can often extract potentially "good" byproducts from destructive ones. Look for new over the counter drugs promising to improve your memory soon.

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (3, Interesting)

canajin56 (660655) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422172)

What? They'll never sell meth OTC, it's addiction potential is too high. And extract byproducts? Meth isn't a blend of a lot of chemicals, like say, an herbal product, it's a chemical. A single one. You can't extract juts the good parts. But, it's not unreasonable to imagine that, for severe memory problems, Meth might eventually get approved. It's already approved and prescribed for ADD, plus used off-label for narcolepsy and depression. Even if not approved for memory, a doctor might still prescribe it off-label for such a purpose. Just remember, for lots of the "designer" drugs like Meth, GHB, Ecstacy, etc. the recreational dose is much higher than the therapeutic dose. So, being prescribed it doesn't mean you go around tweaking on Meth all the time. The doses are low, and they don't let you fill the script all at once, because you COULD purify it into higher doses.

The only way this could ever end up as something OTC would be if they figure out why, and design a new drug with the same memory enhancing effect, which by a stroke of luck has no serious side effects, isn't (too) addictive, and also evades the moral police by not having a euphoric or inebriating effect. Then it has to be tested for a few decades to PROVE it's totally harmless, then it MIGHT get approved for use without a prescription. (Of course, if they find this similar chemical in a plant, you can sell it as "herbal" straight away, with zero testing or oversight, since it's considered neither a food nor a drug, and the FDA has no jurisdiction).

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422278)

I failed chemistry, although one cannot make an "extract" out of one molecule one can break off unwanted parts of a molecule. Such as what the drug companies have done with Focaline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focalin [wikipedia.org]

I only know this because I looked up what I'm on.

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (5, Interesting)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422744)

Er, Focalin isn't chemically different than Ritalin [wikipedia.org] - they're both C14-H19-NO2. The difference between the two, apparently, is that Focalin contains only one stereoisomer of the compound and Ritalin contains both. As a (gross) example my bio prof once used, if you had two bags full of severed hands, Ritalin would be the bag of left and right hands but Focalin would only contain left hands. They're all the same compound (hands), but some of them are mirror images of the others (left vs right).

An interesting aside is that the body commonly treats steroisomers very differently. A good example of this would be Thalidomide, which was commonly prescribed to pregnant women in the 50's: One isomer of Thalidomide is a sedative (was prescribed for morning sickness), but the other isomer wreaked all kinds of havoc on the fetus and caused birth defects. Since the body freely metabolizes one form from the other (ie: even given a pure dose of L-Thalidomide, the body would convert some of it to R-Thalidomide), the drug is no longer used. This all varies by compound though. In some cases, steroisomers have different effects, in some cases they have the same (or similar) effect. And sometimes one isomer of a compound is active and the other inert - penicillin is an example of that.
Biochemistry is crazy stuff. :)

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423088)

Er, Focalin isn't chemically different than Ritalin - they're both C14-H19-NO2. The difference between the two, apparently, is that Focalin contains only one stereoisomer of the compound and Ritalin contains both.

As a (gross) example my bio prof once used, if you had two bags full of severed hands, Ritalin would be the bag of left and right hands but Focalin would only contain left hands. They're all the same compound (hands), but some of them are mirror images of the others (left vs right).

So... Focalin is the drug of one hand clapping to Ritalin's two, and Thalidomide's problem was that it was both ambidextrous and double-jointed.

(Plain Man's Guide to Medical and Chemical Actions and Interactions)

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423786)

So... Focalin is the drug of one hand clapping to Ritalin's two,

No, Focalin and Ritalin is the sound of two hands clapping, and Thalidomide is the sound of two flippers waving in the air.

I've got a lay-away account for some air conditioners in Hell.

--
BMO

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (1)

dwye (1127395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32424764)

> Thalidomide's problem was that it was both ambidextrous and double-jointed.

And prescribed for Morning Sickness, rather than for Leprosy.

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32438824)

who said anything about leprosy?

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32428506)

Wouldn't Thalidommide be the sound of 2 flippers flapping?

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (1)

alexo (9335) | more than 4 years ago | (#32425850)

> Biochemistry is crazy stuff.

This [narbonic.com] .

Thalidomide is still in use (1)

AffidavitDonda (1736752) | more than 3 years ago | (#32437168)

As far as I know, Thalidomide is or at least was recently still in use in Southamerica. Mainly against leprosy. In Great Britain it's used in cancer treatment sometimes. Especially in Brazil, with a higher rate of analphabetism they have a hard time to prevent people from taking it when pregnant. http://abvtenglish.wordpress.com/what-is-thalidomide/ [wordpress.com]

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (1)

Unordained (262962) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423078)

Of course, if they find this similar chemical in a plant, you can sell it as "herbal" straight away, with zero testing or oversight, since it's considered neither a food nor a drug, and the FDA has no jurisdiction

Yeah, that worked out really well for THC/cannabis and cocaine/coca.

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423104)

It's not about blind luck. Suppose that meth has an effect on receptors foo, bar, and baz. Then, given research, that can be discovered. If one then determines that the effect on receptor foo leads to better memory, but duplicating the effect on bar or baz leads to hyperactivity and tweaking, well, then it's just a matter of making a drug that selectively affects foo.

That's a simplification, but ya get the point.

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (2, Interesting)

Creepy (93888) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423908)

With the destructive effects that I've seen from meth abusers at my rental property (out of 15 renters in the past 10 years, two have self-destructed into meth abuse), I'm surprised it's still prescribed at all. I would think Modifinil would heavily replace it in that role for almost all of the roles it plays (or Adrafinil, though that hasn't been approved in the US). It mainly hits the same receptors as meth, but is not highly addictive and works on some of the same receptors. It has been petitioned to be legalized OTC (over-the-counter), but I don't know where that is at - I imagine that would be a cash cow for the creator, as I believe it was invented in the mid-1990s (the parent, Adrafinil was 1970s, so I'm not sure the state of any patents). There are some known severe side effects, but as far as I can tell they are rare.

I'd be curious to see a meth'd up snail and a modifinil snail side by side...

OTC meth (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32424340)

If you want "pharm-grade" you can get a script for "Desoxyn", that's the brand name for methamphetamine. Like you said, they give it to narcoleptics mostly now, they used to give it to ADHD types more but due to the media hype not very many doctors will go near it anymore. Which is really stupid if you think about it, if someone wanted meth to get high they can easily purchase it for much cheaper and with less hassle than the legal drug dealers offer.

Personally, I've never touched the stuff. But I do take lisdexamfetamine, aka Vyvanse. It's essentially just dextroamphetamine that's been hacked in a way that makes your body process it differently. Unlike other amphetamines you don't really get "high" from it, and you barely "crash". You can't snort it, I don't think you can smoke it either. You take a pill or three and gradually over the next hour you feel increasingly enhanced. Instead of getting tweaked out in one big rush it eases into a heightened state of performance. After a few hours you notice it tapering off, about 8 hours later you are normal again. Compared to straight d-amphetamine or Adderall (mixed dextro- and levo-amphetamines) you barely feel any side effects. At least I barely do. My appetite isn't killed entirely, I don't feel jittery. My mouth gets dry, but not nearly as dry. My ability to get an erection is impacted, but not nearly as severely, it's still very possible. Which is good because the only side effect that seems more severe than with other amphetamines is a boosted sex drive. It's made a bit weird too, I'm not a kinky guy really but I am open minded. For some reason lisdexamfetamine makes me a lot more enthusiastic about going there.

Re:OTC meth (1)

HopefulIntern (1759406) | more than 4 years ago | (#32429540)

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 3 years ago | (#32436388)

Reminds me of a friend who for some reason tries to say they have ADD so that's why they constantly vaporized marijuana and do meth.
It's obviously a cure, ya know! (sarcasm)
Funny to have someone try to legitimize it while talking to you, and act like your so far behind the times and not with the new generation... geez

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32426318)

...Meth has many amazing, life affirming affects. The down sides, while massive and long term, still cannot disaude thousands of intelligent, well informed new users every year.

Living a short, soon-to-be-painful life with Meth is comparable to living 70 years without the cognitive, psychological, and emotional pinnicle reached after the first real hit from a Meth pipe.

You are living in an ignorant bliss. Meth users need no new excuse; the omnipresent excuse is the return to that ultimate, probably-never-but-possibly-again-reachable-by-Meth pinnacle that they experienced. Their only major dissuasion is the every approaching psychosis due to the human brains inability to handle the brain changes caused. One moment at that pinnacle is worth one thousand useless, sober, rat-race lives.

The true future of humanity, exists in the generation of states similar to this (and other dangerous or difficult to reach pinnicles) by easy, safe and maintainable means. All human development that does not move towards these goals will become blatently pointless as this goal is achieved.

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32428550)

"Normally i look at a blank piece of paper and see all sorts of new ideas, now I look at a blank piece of paper and just see a blank piece of paper". Erdos said something to this effect after his friends got him to stop taking uppers.

Re:NEWS FLASH: Meth Improves Your Memory! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32441596)

Honestly, I've done a bit of meth. It's not really all its cracked up to be. It doesn't turn you into a zombie, and its nowhere near as fun as cocaine. My teeth are fine, I've never even had a singe cavity. Its basically just like taking a bunch of Adderall, but takes longer to ware off and has a more prolonged crash --though certainly nothing unmanageable. The biggest problems with it are: it disrupts sleep cycles due to its extremely long half life, it causes you to not want to eat or drink nutritious foods, it short circuits your brains ability to differentiate between good ideas and bad ideas (though not as much as other drugs). I'd say that Adderall is better. Fewer sleep problems and you can always just take more if you desire the same high as meth. Mostly meth is only good for productivity, and then only if you manage it properly. It overclocks your brain, but you don't want to run hot every day. Again, Adderall is more practical and produces the same effect.

Practical Usage (4, Funny)

diakka (2281) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421716)

Maybe this bit of science doesn't have much practical usage just yet, but maybe they could somehow exploit the improved memories of these snails on meth to prevent dups right here on Slashdot.

Re:Practical Usage (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32421930)

The drug Methylphenidate is the practical usage of this. It's been used to treat ADHD and other attention disorders for some time. "'The results suggest that meth improves memory, something that has been previously observed in creatures with large, complex brains like rats and humans."

Re:Practical Usage (3, Funny)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 4 years ago | (#32426076)

The snails are busy. How else do you think everything ends up here a week late?

This... (5, Funny)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421718)

This is what happens when you put scientists on pot.

scientist1: "DUDE!!! what would happen if we took a snail, (pause) and gave him speed?"

scientist2: "PHHAAAA HAHAHAHAHA, lets' get to the lab!!"

Re:This... (2, Funny)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422032)

Oh man, how did you have my lab bugged during my PhD work? Seriously, dude, I though that stuff was long buried and forgotten...

Re:This... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422860)

"Quick, Robin! To the Bat-Cave"

Re:This... (1)

skine (1524819) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423362)

I don't care how messed up (s)he is, no scientist worth his(/her) credentials would spell that word as "lets'."

No matter how hysterical.

Re:This... (3, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 4 years ago | (#32424068)

I think someone needs to review their protocols for getting messed up then.

You aren't doing it right man.

Re:This... (2, Informative)

Onymous Coward (97719) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423496)

No, this is what happens when you put scientists on pot:

Mr. X. [marijuana-uses.com]

Science has come so far. (2, Funny)

UncHellMatt (790153) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421768)

I can imagine these are the same folks who thought it was "BRILLIANT!" to blow smoke in their dog's face with a one hitter. However the "On meth it does" ads will get much more amusing. "A snail doing 60mph down the highway isn't normal. But on meth it is..."

All joking aside, being no biologist I do wonder about the validity of such experiments. Anyone able to educate me on how they think that the effects on so different a neuron network will yield important information about how humans store / process memories? Are our brains THAT similar to ones found in a snail? Congress not withstanding, of course.

Re:Science has come so far. (4, Informative)

logjon (1411219) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421814)

It's easier to monitor three neurons than it is the complex neural networks of larger life forms. Kind of the same way it's easier to administrate a three-computer home network than it is to administrate google's infrastructure. Did you really need this spelled out to you?

Re:Science has come so far. (1)

UncHellMatt (790153) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422934)

Informative, good analogy and insulting! Bravo! You're my new favorite person.

Yes, actually, I did need it spelled out. To use that analogy, we're still talking about two rather different "network protocols" and topologies, aren't we? Again, I admit I know nothing about how neural networks function, but I would think that a drug like meth or even weed would have a vastly different effect on human minds and biology than that of a snail, and gleefully admit my ignorance, hence the questions.

Re:Science has come so far. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32424658)

I think you could say that the network protocols are the same on that small a scale. On the scale of only a few neurons and compared to humans, snail (Aplysia) memroy networks are very similar. They use the same neurotransmitters (serotonin/glutamate/dopamine), act ont he same receptors, activate similar intracellular biochemical pathways (adenylyl cyclase, cAMP, PKA....,) turn on the same genes (eg CREB), which in turn produce the same kind of proteins, increase the number of and strength of synapses that are responsible for long term memory storage. It follows that if we could understand how meth improves memory on the molecular level in snails, we could get a pretty good idea of how it works on human memory (on the molecular level) as well. ....

Re:Science has come so far. (0)

logjon (1411219) | more than 4 years ago | (#32434540)

To use that analogy, we're still talking about two rather different "network protocols" and topologies, aren't we?

Same principles apply.

Re:Science has come so far. (1)

MediaCastleX (1799990) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421836)

Even worse, how are they to say their memories are improving? It may be just as likely that they are actually impaired by the effects and don't remember to try to breathe...

Re:Science has come so far. (1)

UncHellMatt (790153) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421976)

Hmmm... So you're suggesting that the whole Amy Winehouse problem could just go away eventually?

/I keed

Re:Science has come so far. (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422052)

Well a proper control for that would be to have snails in meth-water which had not previously been poked. Really you need to be doing four tests: poked snails in water, poked snails in meth-water, non-poked snails in water, and non-poked snails in meth water.

Re:Science has come so far. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422150)

That's a great thing to put on a resume - "snail poker".

Re:Science has come so far. (5, Insightful)

confused one (671304) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422388)

Well, since we're only just starting to understand how memory is stored at a molecular level... Starting with a super simple system (the snail) and looking at how a chemical alters that system, it's not impossible to see how this research might have some value in understanding how memory is processed and stored. There are similarities, even if a snail looks nothing like a human.

Re:Science has come so far. (2, Informative)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422748)

Biological mechanisms get reused all the time(*). It's plausible enough to be worth investigating that at least some of human memory storage uses mechanisms related to what simpler ancestors used.

(*) The API for temperature control, for example, got reused across the transition from cold-blooded to warm-blooded. Get a lizard sick, and it spends more time basking so as to give itself a fever. Give it aspirin, and it goes back in the shade.

Re:Science has come so far. (1)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423430)

Are our brains THAT similar to ones found in a snail?

More similar than you'd think. While there are obvious physiological differences between the different species, animal cells can adapt quickly to very human activity, such as flying airplanes!

http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=241 [technovelgy.com]

Surprising (4, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421820)

Surprising. I would have thought that a story about snails on speed would have a "Look at that S-Car Go" comment by now.

Re:Surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32424220)

It does.

I wonder... (1)

Barrinmw (1791848) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421838)

...if after prolonged use we can expect the snails to get meth mouth.

FFS (1)

Therilith (1306561) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421886)

I'm bored, let's fuck some animals up. I'm sure we can disguise it as science somehow.

Sadistic asshats...

Re:FFS (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422330)

It's exceeding rare for biological scientific facts to be discovered without having to destroy something (or someone).

French Garden Snails taste good in butter. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32425654)

They're like saute'd squid, as long as you purged their intestines with a week-diet of celery and cabbage.

Now, what do snails on Meth taste like? Sounds like something easier to sell on the streets.

Re:FFS (1)

blakeqd (1481391) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422926)

I'm sure that was their first thought.. /sarcasm

Oh Good... (1)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 4 years ago | (#32421978)

I was thinking it was another rapid application deployment method.

Re:Oh Good... (1)

prionic6 (858109) | more than 4 years ago | (#32443140)

This deserves a much better score. lol.

Another framework language (2, Funny)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422038)

Guys, seriously, the cadence worked for Ruby on Rails, and the silly reference might have worked for Python on Planes if they went through with it, but you're going to have to come up with a better name than Snails on Methamphetamine if you ever want to make COBOL a "cool" programming language.

New land speed record for snails (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422074)

Researchers recently clocked a meth snail traveling at 60 mph. After which the snail consumed a box of Twinkies.

Re:New land speed record for snails (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422156)

Because meth totally gives you the munchies...

someone call Jon Kovalic (2, Interesting)

nerdonamotorcycle (710980) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422220)

"Snails on Speed" is a card in the game Munchkin. Life imitates art.

Grandma on Meth (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422296)

Well, if she has Alzheimers, why not giver her meth, her face may breakout with sores, but at least she will be able to remember who vistited her in the old folks home.

Old people on Meth, Not Even Once, unless they don't remember that once.

Re:Grandma on Meth (1)

jayemcee (605967) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422956)

About 7 years ago I worked for a biotech that was testing the left enantiomer of amphetamine in humans for mild cognitive impairment trials with some success (the right enantiomer is dexedrine). It got derailed due to some issues that another (similar) drug was having with the FDA at the time. There is plenty of positive data available in humans for improving memory with amphetamines, just look around...

Re:Grandma on Meth (2, Interesting)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32425172)

Speed, if one doesn't grow to fond of it, is actually quite nice. It is easy, however, to grow too fond of it.
An appropriate solution would be to invent friendlier speed for appropriate speedful uses.
(Aircrew "go" pills come to mind as an ethical use of speed.)

Oh sure wreck the snailskis commercial (1)

SolarStorm (991940) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422546)

Once again science has put some poor animal out of a job. The snailski's were great spokes family for high speed internet. Now what?...

Mmm hmmm... (1)

tomzyk (158497) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422674)

Maybe I just don't know enough about the biology and mentality of snails, or even the psycological effects of meth... but did they really come to the most logical conclusion here?

Maybe the snails that were submerged in the meth-water just remembered: "hey, last time i was in this situation, i got a wicked-high! Tube down! Tube down!" Whereas the normal-water snails were like "suffocation? Eff that noise."

Memory drugs (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423170)

Where's my revision timetable, Lister? It's Saturday night. No one works Saturday night. You don't work any night. You don't work any day. 'Skive hard play hard' that's our motto. Lister where'd you put my revision timetable? It's Saturday night. No one works Saturday night. You don't work any...

Different conclusion... (2, Interesting)

bynary (827120) | more than 4 years ago | (#32424550)

So, they trained snails to stop using built-in survival mechanisms and then gave them drugs that prevented the snails from going back into survival mode. Seems to me like they're not improving memory but are instead prohibiting instinct.

The PETA response (1)

Biff Stu (654099) | more than 4 years ago | (#32424798)

Invertebrate rights now! Just say no to escargot!

Adult ADHD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32426460)

I was diagnosed with ADHD (inattentive subtype) a few years ago. I'm in my mid-30's and honestly, until my diagnosis & treatment, I've always struggled. I started out on Strattera and it eventually just stopped working. I've been on Adderall for a year now; thankfully I'm on a comparatively low dose, but I have my concerns regarding the addictiveness of the drug. If scientists can use this research to more better understand the mechanism of how the chemical works, perhaps it will reveal a potential treatment without the risk of taking potentially habit-forming drugs.

Re:Adult ADHD (1)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 4 years ago | (#32428538)

It's very simple - amphetamines (much like any other Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors) work by releasing dopamine, a neurotransmitter responsible for cognition, attention, and the body's level of alertness, from the neurons into the synaptic cleft. Incidentally, Dopamine is also the key chemichal in the brain's reward mechanism, which means its release results in instant gratification without you having to do any actual work for it. Nicotine and Caffeine produce are dopaminergic agents as well.

According to a recent Physorg article ADHD may be linked to "low maternal education, lone parents and welfare benefits" (link [physorg.com] ), which makes all the sense - if there is nobody to reward a child for doing the work or being good, the brain will eventually be wired like that on the chemical level. At the same time, this type of children are more prone to drug abuse than those from successful (balanced) backgrounds.

It's a thin line (no pun intended) when tinkering with low level brain functions, so let me conclude with somebody's famous quote - "the difference between medicine and poison is dosage". So it's your, mine and other slashdotters' responsibility (you know who you are!) to get the dose right!

That being said, you may also want to look into some Cognitive Behavioural Therapy techniques for your ADHD.

not memory, conditioning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32430786)

This experiment is interesting, but it doesn't test memory. Memory is a cognitive ability to consciously recall facts - an ability I doubt many people would claim that snails have. This experiment simply shows that meth increases the result of pavlovian conditioning.

I call this ... (1)

freaker_TuC (7632) | more than 3 years ago | (#32437256)

Slimy business, to say the least.

What did they expect, to get the snails to focus more? ... to do what?

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