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Apple Blindsides More AppStore Developers

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the moving-walls-and-stairways-too dept.

Iphone 716

For a while now Apple has said it doesn't want "widget-like" apps in the store; but where is the boundary of that fuzzy statement? The developers of My Frame, of which three versions had already been approved for the iPhone/iPad, found out that they had already crossed it when Apple informed them their app would be pulled. My Frame had options to overlay data on whatever photo was displaying: a Twitter stream, weather, etc. When one of the developers wrote to Steve Jobs on a whim to ask what unwritten rule their app had violated, Jobs wrote back: "We are not allowing apps that create their own desktops. Sorry." "I see now why people are so angry at the 'murky' nature of the App Store, and I'm starting to agree with them. My Frame was approved by Apple 3 times (once for each version we released), and ... now, at version 1.2 they decide it's to be removed? How can a company be prepared to invest into a platform that can change at any time, cutting you off and kicking you out, with no course of action but to whine on some no-name blog[?] There is no alternative platform, despite what others may say about Android, it's immature and their app store(s) are a wild west nightmare. It really is Apple's way or the highway...." A few blogs have picked up the story.

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It's time. (5, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422734)

It's time to retire the Bill Gates Borg photo and replace it with a Steve Jobs Borg photo for Apple stories.

Re:It's time. (5, Funny)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422790)

Either that, or a picture of Steve Jobs' face, with one half looking like a wolf and the other half looking like a sheep.

Re:It's time. (2, Funny)

MouseR (3264) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422978)

That liver he got has some nasty bile.

Re:It's time. (5, Insightful)

sosume (680416) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422830)

I wish there was a 'bring to the attention of the slashmods' button.. but yeah, it looks like Apple is acting a lot worse than Microsoft ever did.

Re:It's time. (2, Interesting)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423048)

I wish there was a 'bring to the attention of the slashmods' button..

Report it for abuse. If you get reprimanded in any way, it'll still be worth it.

More to this story? (3, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423066)

I really have to wonder if there is more than meets the sound-bite here. It sounds absurd yes. But then again it would be absurd to be so capricious. Maybe were not getting the full story? Apple is if anything not illogical in their choices. You may vehemently disagree with their choices but the choices all have an internal logic. I can't see any logic here. I suspect this may be a BS story.

Re:It's time. (4, Insightful)

Beached (52204) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422836)

More like Species 8472

Re:It's time. (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422904)

Part of me is ashamed that I knew what they reference meant immediately.

Re:It's time. (3, Insightful)

dsoltesz (563978) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423038)

It's slashdot... you should only be ashamed if you didn't recognize the reference immediately.

A Steve Jobs in sheeps' clothing. (3, Insightful)

stagg (1606187) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422846)

Or Steve Jobs in a sheep suit.

Re:It's time. (4, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422858)

Steve Jobs wearing robes and holding stone iTablets with invisible commandments?

Re:It's time. (5, Funny)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422964)

"Thou shalt not do things I don't like"

Re:It's time. (2, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422864)

I'm pretty sure Linus is an actual robot though. Sent back in time to save humanity.

Re:It's time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422944)

What about just using a picture of a douchebag?

Re:It's time. (4, Informative)

sjonke (457707) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423132)

The fact that My Frame 1.2 is in the app store... that doesn't change anything does it?

Re:It's time. (5, Interesting)

TomXP411 (860000) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423140)

No... Bill should stay Borg. Microsoft is the precursor to the Borg: they want nothing less than to own every computer on the planet.

Google is the precursor to SkyNet. Think about it: Google owns a huge network of systems employing AI routines to parse natural-language databases. One day, Google's search engine will become sentient. So perhaps a Google logo with those red eyes would be appropriate satire.

Steve Jobs...he's more like Emperor Ming from Flash Gordon. He has immense power, but rather than use it for the betterment of his people (his customers), he makes arbitrary decisions for his own amusement. Attempts to appeal to him with logic fail. Attempts to sway his emotions fail. Even decisions that seem like they would harm Apple only make him stronger in the long run.

My business model fails! (5, Informative)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422742)

Sucks to be you. Don't write for iStuff.

Re:My business model fails! (5, Insightful)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423000)

Sucks to be you. Don't write for iStuff.

I kind of agree with you on this. The blurb quoted basically reads to me as "there isn't an easy alternative that allows me to do almost no marketing in order to have people buy my app."

While I sympathize with the author(s)' feeling that the AppStore's rules border on the completely arbitrary, there *are* alternatives, just not brain-dead, no-work easy alternatives.

Re:My business model fails! (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423124)

yeah, I mean honestly? The guy signs a contract with a company that's as restrictive as microsoft, and complains when they decide they don't like his product because today is a Tuesday and he has nothing he can do about it because he signed an agreement with apple?

Who could have guessed?

there is an alternative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422754)

abandon apple

w/ no apps, the iphone is an expensive brick.

Re:there is an alternative (4, Insightful)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422792)

As long as the userbase remains as large as it is, that means leaving a lot of money on the table for many developers.

As sucky as the terms are, it's hard to walk away from that.

Re:there is an alternative (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422946)

Simple choice it seems. Fair software developement principles, or money.

Re:there is an alternative (5, Insightful)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422992)

Hard to walk away from it yes. But it seems the choice here is to walk away from it on your own terms, or be arbitrarily and randomly kicked to the curb without having had the time to develop a go-forward plan.

Re:there is an alternative (1, Insightful)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422928)

I still do not own an iphone, ipod, or ipad. I will not buy a closed usage, multi-use platform for that kind of money.

Re:there is an alternative (2, Informative)

alphax45 (675119) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422966)

I agree with you 100%. The only reason I have an iPod touch is that I won it at work. All I use it for is to play music and a few TWiT podcasts. For my phone I have a Blackberry - love it!

Fine Line Indeed (5, Interesting)

TrisexualPuppy (976893) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422762)

I have some guys here at work who use their iPhones for VNC quite religiously. VNC is a tad bit closer to "its own desktop" than this app, granted it is a snapshot of another machine's desktop. Where do you draw the line, Mr. Jobs?

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423014)

Mod parent up!

Re:Fine Line Indeed (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423100)

Where do you draw the line, Mr. Jobs?

Wherever I want. Sorry.

-Steve

Re:Fine Line Indeed (3, Interesting)

sjonke (457707) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423156)

Apparently you don't draw it at My Frame 1.2 seeing how it's in the App store. Who is writing these articles? Google?

Really, kdawson? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422772)

My Frame hsd options to overlay data on whatever . . .
 
That's the kind of typo that you catch when simply *skimming* over a paragraph. You didn't even read through it once, did you? Doesn't surprise me.

Seems to still be available in the app store (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422776)

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/my-frame-alarm-clock-displays/id364532249?mt=8

So? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422778)

Don't buy the shit, dumbasses!

Why are there so many dumbfucks?

Why do I have to say this? Dumbfucks are dumb!

Re:So? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422824)

That's why they put "dumb" in "dumbfuck".

Interesting strategy. (4, Funny)

ArbitraryDescriptor (1257752) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422780)

Is he hoping that Steve reads:

"There is no alternative platform, despite what others may say about Android, it's immature and their app store(s) are a wild west nightmare. It really is Apple's way or the highway..."

and rewards his loyalty with an exception?

He's Calling Jobs Out (2, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422930)

He's calling him out. At best he'll trigger Jobs to outline his logic similar to the Flash issue. At worst his concerns fall on deaf ears. But for the rest of us, it might be a little pointer in the right direction.

Jobs wants to maintain complete control with the experience on iDevices and the second you try to make your application look more capable than just a regular application in the sense of altering look and feel, you're stepping on his turf and he will show up with the ban hammer. Jobs is not interested in a new container for viewing or looking like an operating system catching like wildfire and usurping Apple's bread and butter: being the best, fluid, sexy interface. That's how they make their money. That's one of the big components that justifies a massive price point on these products. That's a lot of Jobs' strategy and I think a lot of people know it including the shareholders.

So the strategy to publicly ponder how far this will go ... or where the precise line will be drawn for what an application can and can't do is 1) interesting and 2) a potential time saver for new application developers. You want to make a new look and feel? The message is loud and clear: either do it on the immature Android operating system or don't do it at all. And that advice stands until Jobs apologizes and approves applications like My Frame.

Re:Interesting strategy. (4, Informative)

SkankinMonkey (528381) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422994)

Actually, he clarifies this in his comments on the blog post: Australians can't sell paid apps on the android marketplace yet. This obviously makes it hard to make money and pay rent.

Re:Interesting strategy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423010)

The highway sound like a good idea to me. Cause if everyone takes that route, they will reach a much better place !

lol maybe, but .. (1, Insightful)

Weezul (52464) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423084)

"It really is Apple's way or the highway" just says he's either a lousy developer, or lazy. Android offers the user base if you debug your app properly. In truth, Apple has always attracted douche bag developers who often polish a shiny user interface over a weak and/or unstable core, and then pollute the google search results for identical apps with their crippleware. I'm not surprised the iPhone has made this worse by limiting the developers options for real software, focussing them more on the user interface.

hsd (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422788)

Can the editors at least TRY to proofread the summaries? Geeze...

"My Frame hsd options..." (0, Offtopic)

uofitorn (804157) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422796)

A portmanteau of has and had?

Re:"My Frame hsd options..." (0, Offtopic)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423004)

More like a malamanteau [xkcd.com] .

Microsoft Windows Phone 7 (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422798)

Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 Series is an amazing platform. I'm more than excited to sell my iPhone and get one that supports the new Microsoft platform when they come out. I think developers will find that Microsoft has really given everyone a better option besides Apple...

Re:Microsoft Windows Phone 7 (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423076)

Given that the devs are pissed about the vendor's control of the platform(which Microsoft plans to emulate), rather than the platform's technical prowess, I'd say that anybody who is hoping that Windows Phone 7 will save them is moderately delusional.

Admittedly, since MS will be coming at the market from a position of significant weakness by the time any WP7 handsets actually make it out the door(oh hai! Our revision 1 product, missing most of the enterprise stuff that kept people on WM6 despite the fact that it blew, is being released into the face of iPhone OS 4, and android 2.2, if not 2.3 or later...) they will likely be inclined to be merciful masters. At first.

However, if they experience any significant success, there is no reason to expect that they won't abuse their power just as hard as Apple. If they experience little or no success, they might well double-down on the crackdown, and vertically integrate even harder, screwing over any remaining 3rd parties(this is barely hypothetical, we all know what happened to the 3rd-party "playsforsure" ecosystem when MS decided that they weren't doing the job against Apple...)

Android... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422802)

Android really needs a better Market app, but other than that, there's not really much developers can complain about the platform. I've developed a few personal apps myself and every other Android developer I talk to (some are even Apple users, FYI) are quite happy with the platform. Hell, Froyo is taking it a step further and I think Android is really going to fly from here on.

The so-called "fragmentation" issue does *not* exist (ok, to some extent hardware makers can change the rules on their devices regarding what hardware is included) and building software for multiple resolutions is not that hard, it just takes an amount of effort most shovelware developers are not willing to have (which is a good thing IMO).

So all in all, he's just whining because Apple took his shiny little toy (which he knew could happen at any time).

Re:Android... (3, Insightful)

mweather (1089505) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422888)

I don't think Android even needs a market app. I don't have a market app for my PC, and I don't have any trouble finding and installing software. And the lack of such an app doesn't seem to be dissuading anyone from developing desktop apps.

Re:Android... (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423026)

I wrote a market app component for your PC that works on any web browser. Simply enter the text string "download.com" (minus quotes) into the address entry area of your favorite web browser and it will load a fully featured marketplace of a variety of software products, complete with a fully featured editor and community review system.

The best part? Works on any software environment with web access and the ability to process HTML!

Re:Android... (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423028)

But of course, the web browsing experience on a computer is quite different, so finding applications is a different experience on a desktop than on a phone. Besides that, computers have long had trouble with Malware, and many people feel that we can't afford to allow the same kind of problems on cell networks.

Re:Android... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423116)

But of course, the web browsing experience on a computer is quite different, so finding applications is a different experience on a desktop than on a phone.

Is there some freakish cult that compels its members to misuse the word "experience" as many times as possible in one sentence?

Re:Android... (2, Interesting)

thepike (1781582) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422954)

Yeah, the only thing I would really add to the Android App market is the ability to search it easily online. That hardly makes it a "Wild West nightmare" though.

Re:Android... (1)

Drathus (152223) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423068)

And that is coming online shortly in the revamped Market.

Along with (for 2.2/FroYo devices) a true cloud to mobile device system where you can even install software on your android device from the website on another system (along with so much more.)

Re:Android... (4, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422970)

The Android thing is definitely just whining. It's a great platform and even I, with my modest skill, can code up stuff that works on multiple devices. Planning for different screens is nothing new... it happens in the PC and web world ALL the time.

Good aps are NOT hard to find even if it involves a little more community involvement to see what people are using for some given task. On top of it *I* get to decide what I put on my phone, not some nameless Apple employee, and that is very important to me.

Android isn't perfect, but neither is iPhone. I think it has a lot more potential than Apple in the long run, especially if they hurting developers with their Ivory Tower style decisions on high about what apps stay and what apps go.

Apple..? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422806)

who the fuck uses that bloody piece of shit?

oops! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422814)

Sucks to be you.

Next time, develop for Android. Sure you'll make less money but at least you'll be free to make less money.

iPhone developer agreement: Eat a bug on camera (5, Funny)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422820)

iPhone developers are up in arms at Apple requiring them to use only Apple toolkits, sacrifice a Windows developer at their local Apple Shop every Sunday and maintain an altar to Steve Jobs in their homes. And eat a bug [newstechnica.com] .

Apple is famous for its rigid control over its devices, in its quest to maintain user quality. Developers have worked under increasing restrictions in their attempts to provide quality applications for the iPhone such as I Am Rich, Magic 8 Ball and iFart.

"Not a big deal," said Mr Jobs in a personal email. "Cross-platform development leads to a worse user experience every time. Also, the video of you eating the bug has to be H.264 QuickTime or your app is out. Extra points for cockroaches."

"This clause shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the creative freedom developers need," said iPhone developer Greg Slepak. "Software is an infinitely malleable creation of pure thought. Toolkits, languages and frameworks are only a way to develop something people will want. It's like telling Rembrandt what brand of brushes he's allowed to use."

He paused to chow down on a palmetto bug for his MacBook's camera. "I'll tell you, a lot of iPhone developers are seriously considering Android, just as soon as Google develops a suitably exploitable stream of mindless thralls that will generate us a gushing torrent of money."

"Thanks for the video, Greg," said Mr Jobs, "but we've just added section 3.3.1.a: 'In particular, when Greg Slepak submits an application, the bucket of cockroaches in the video have to be Apple-branded and genetically engineered in Cupertino.' So we've rejected your application, cancelled your membership and zeroed your account.

"Of course, you're free to apply again. Or not, if you don't want a goddamn dumptruck full of money backed up to your house. It's a free country."

Re:iPhone developer agreement: Eat a bug on camera (4, Interesting)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423086)

Apple is famous for its rigid control over its devices, in its quest to maintain user quality.

You know, the sad thing is, I remember a time when it wasn't true. When I preferred to use the Macs in the computer lab at the university over the PC's specifically because I could carry around a floppy full of extensions that all I needed to do was drop into the extension folder and reboot and have a machine that looked and mostly worked completely different from any other Mac.

Stuff like Kaleidoscope [kaleidoscope.net] were just the tip of the Iceberg, with the fact that 'hacking' resources on the Mac was a trivial task, you could customize almost anything you wanted in your apps. This is stuff that Windows never had and still doesn't.

But then Steve had to go and get to the top of the hill, and it turned out that he was just a smarmier, better dressed Bill. That's sort of sad. Back when there really were two camps, really the only difference between the two was their fashion sense.

Re:iPhone developer agreement: Eat a bug on camera (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423108)

Not a big deal," said Mr Jobs in a personal email. "Cross-platform development leads to a worse user experience every time.

C# and Aero.

Tired. (5, Insightful)

qoncept (599709) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422826)

How can a company be prepared to invest into a platform that can change at any time

I don't know. Why don't we ask someone who ha ---- Oh wait, that's you!

Years later, after it's been documented in to oblivion that Apple dicks app store developers over. The developers either know full well what they are getting themselves in to or they are completely retarded. Yet we here we are, hearing the same tired $@%&ing story once again. The insignificant details are different but nothing else is.

App store devs, you KNOW you have two options: Deal with it or don't. Now, please, kindly tell your story on Twitter, Facebook status updates or somewhere else no one is paying attention and quit robbing the rest of us of our mental bandwidth.

Re:Tired. (4, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422984)

quit robbing the rest of us of our mental bandwidth.

Yeah, some of us are still on 300 baud!

With an attitude like that (3, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422832)

There is no alternative platform, despite what others may say about Android, it's immature and their app store(s) are a wild west nightmare

You know, maybe if half the iPhone App Developers decided to opt out of Apple's ridiculous system, and started developing more apps for Android, perhaps there would be more incentive to improve their app store to put it on par with Apple's.

Just sayin' man.

Another thing, this is like complaining that you didn't get into the NFL when you chose pro football as your career. Perhaps you should have done a little research before becoming an iPhone App developer, Hmmm? The fact that you got INTO the App store - AND were successful enough to have it sell at all, is considered lucky in my opinion.

Re:With an attitude like that (2, Interesting)

SkankinMonkey (528381) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423008)

His point was that Australians can't sell apps on the marketplace yet, which he clarified in his comments.

Re:With an attitude like that (1)

heckler95 (1140369) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423128)

Yes, but at least if you know you want to be in the NFL, you KNOW what you need to do - work hard to become damn good at Football, a game with well-defined rules.

They don't cancel your contract and kick you out of the league after 3 seasons because the commissioner arbitrarily decides that players named "Rick" or left-handed linebackers are no longer welcome.

Yes, any developer investing time and money to create a new iApplication is taking a risk that it may not be approved by the AppStore overlords. But, once their app is approved (v1.0) they should be able to reasonably expect that future versions (that don't drastically change the concept) would be able to get approval, even if it took a few tries. In this case, the entire business model went from valid/profitable to worthless without any warning and all of the time/money invested was a waste.

How do you think Apple would react if the FCC arbitrarily changed the specifications for wireless communications, turning every iPhone out there into a deaf mute? Actually, I'd kinda like to see that fight play out...

No one is making you develop for the iPhone (0, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422838)

Either accept what Apple calls the shots on what can run on the iPhone you or go develop for another phone/platform. Steve is in charge of Apple, and he says what goes. You knew that going in.

Helpless (1)

lavalyn (649886) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422842)

Cry me a river about "the highway" when the developers already dismiss the best alternative application marketplace (Android). To the developers: Android dollars or no dollars. Or bending over for the will of Apple.

Errr - it's on the App Store just fine @ 1.2 (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422848)

So I just looked on the App Store and their application is there at version 1.2. Did they just rant prematurely?

Re:Errr - it's on the App Store just fine @ 1.2 (1)

sjonke (457707) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422908)

Yep, it's there. More mindless ranting against Apple? Maybe. I don't know why the developer would make this up. Maybe it was a mistake and Apple has corrected it?

Sounds familiar (5, Interesting)

Anon-Admin (443764) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422854)

Sounds like what Second Life did. I used to play the game with SL, developed in-world items and scripts. Every time I started to make money at it, SL would make the script "Illegal", discontinue some function I was using, start giving the same thing away for free or start charging for something that was free. All in all the moving target made it impossible to work in the environment. Thus, I stopped and walked away.

If Apple starts changing the rules and making the environment less appealing for the developers then they will move, unlike second life there are competitors and other opportunities.

Re:Sounds familiar (-1, Offtopic)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423080)

unlike second life there are competitors and other opportunities.

I recently heard about a competitor to Second Life. Details are scarce but I understand it involves some things called "sunshine" and "other humans."

I'll post further details as they become available.

Re:Sounds familiar (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423138)

Sorry, you lost me at 'Second Life'....

responsive customer service, still annoying (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422862)

Jobs is like the worst Internet poster of all, curt and pompous. Steve, you're a douchebag.

sent from my droid

Last Line (5, Insightful)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422870)

There is no alternative platform, despite what others may say about Android, it's immature and their app store(s) are a wild west nightmare. It really is Apple's way or the highway...
 
This just isn't true anymore. Yes, the market does have its issues, but it is certainly an alternative if the app store won't allow your app. Android will overtake iPhone in the near future as far as overall market share goes (since it's on all sorts of low-end devices nowadays, as well as multiple carriers, not to mention the very best phones these days run android, not iPhone OS, and it doesn't look like this summer's iPhone will be any better than them).
 
While it may have its downsides as compared to the app store, completely ruling out the android market is just foolish.

Re:Last Line (1)

SkankinMonkey (528381) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423036)

His point was actually clarified in a comment under the original post: Australians cannot sell paid apps on the marketplace yet which makes his current business model rather unsustainable on the android platform.

The droid store seems OK to me (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423054)

Exactly. I really don't see the big issue with the droid store, other than that there are a lot similar-apps of varying levels-of-quality in the store. The rating system actually seems somewhat useful to me know, and I've download quite a few droid-apps and paid for others that I found useful.

Re:Last Line (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423120)

As of Android 2.2, I believe the platform can now be considered "mature". Yes, it sucks that my G1 is still running 1.6, which is still "immature". The problem is that iPhone apps are written in Objective C, while Android apps are written in Java with a completely different run time library, so switching platforms requires recoding everything.

Re:Last Line (1)

dniq (759741) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423174)

What "best" phones? Most of the phones just barely got the 2.1 update, which brings no useful features other than silly eye candy, with all the bugs and issues of the previous releases. 2.2 will hopefully make its way to the phones in about half a year. And by all signs it looks like many issues plaguing current Android releases are still there (e-mail client, for instance, is still a piece of manure as far as I know).

P.S. Developers - especially Open Source ones - should never be let anywhere near designing GUI for applications.

Can I get some facts plz? (0)

Sandbags (964742) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422876)

1) When where the initial 3 versions released each? If the first version was approved long before Apple overhauled their internal scanning practices, it might have slipped through, and continued to do so until someone caught it on a much later update.
2) what new features did 1.2 add, or bring light to that may have been latent or underutilized? Did each revision add something new, and make it more "widget like" eventually ending up as a desktop-style application?
3) where did this app get its "overlay" data, and did someone else complain about this app pulling from their servers for commercial purposes?
4) were any of the data connections the app made in violation of other apple policies? Did it take user data and preferences and send them to central servers outside of the user and Apple's control (potential privacy or identity theft issues)?
5) Was there something else in this app that was a concern? Anyone have it before it got pulled to really look?
6) Were any of this companies other apps pulled or rejected at the same time? Perhaps this "harmless" app is being used as a media example, when in reality, other apps get the dev itself banned.
7) the "no widget" rule is actually fairly well defined. Apps are to access a content resource, or their own data, but "aggregator" apps that provide multi-functions doing little more then pulling from other sources fall under the "no real value" category. A new application is one thing, pulling data from other sites together and making it look like it;s your data, or a unique app is half pointless, and a disservice to users, and those apps get banned, including any that provide desktop like functionality.

i don;t know. Out of 200,000 apps, apple's made a few mistakes, but this app seems half fishy to start with, no genuine content of it's own, and a shady dev who goes running to blogs over 1 app that, lets face it, doesn't really sound like an "investment" a company would be behind?

Re:Can I get some facts plz? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423154)

7) the "no widget" rule is actually fairly well defined. Apps are to access a content resource, or their own data, but "aggregator" apps that provide multi-functions doing little more then pulling from other sources fall under the "no real value" category. A new application is one thing, pulling data from other sites together and making it look like it;s your data, or a unique app is half pointless, and a disservice to users, and those apps get banned, including any that provide desktop like functionality.

I looked at the MyFrame, and I can see why Jobs wanted it gone, but the entire App could be rendered moot by the iPhoneOS actually providing a useful lock or home screen.

I would like to have it display more than the time and simple notifications... in fact, this MyFrame would look like a decent lock screen.

It boggles me why Apple lets Android win on this front; it's not a big effort and I'm sure Apple could maximize the pareto (80/20) rule and do it eleganlty if they cared.

In short, this MyFrame app and Apple's response look bad for Apple.

Re:Can I get some facts plz? (0)

Mark19960 (539856) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423162)

For some of the very reasons you just outlined is why I would NEVER buy an iWidget, nor write an application for one.
Let the damned users decide if they want it, and if they DON'T want it this guy won't make a dime.

It's this Apple holier than thou attitude that is complete and utter BS.
We already did this with Microsoft.
Do we really need another, FAR WORSE tyrant?

You're complaining? Really? (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422902)

"I see now why people are so angry at the 'murky' nature of the App Store, and I'm starting to agree with them. My Frame was approved by Apple 3 times (once for each version we released), and... now, at version 1.2 they decide it's to be removed? How can a company be prepared to invest into a platform that can change at any time, cutting you off and kicking you out, with no course of action but to whine on some no-name blog[?] There is no alternative platform, despite what others may say about Android, it's immature and their app store(s) are a wild west nightmare. It really is Apple's way or the highway..."

You can't use commas and semicolons properly, and/or you are so myopic that you can't see the forest for the apple trees. There are plenty of other platforms out there to develop for. If your business model relies on Apple's closed store app architecture to force you in front of users, and requires their zillion-user-plus install base in order to be profitable, maybe you don't have a very compelling product to begin with. What you are witnessing is the difference between Apple and an actual free market; live with it or move on. None of us outside the reality distortion field are surprised.

Re:You're complaining? Really? (1)

Protoslo (752870) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423060)

I agree. There was nothing like Apple's "app store" until very recently; how does he think people have been selling consumer software for the past twenty years? Did he get all the software on his laptop from an "app store?"

More versatile developers will succeed on other platforms where "Shifty Jelly" is apparently not willing to tread.

Every time you make a deal with Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422910)

Old Nick fires his lawyers!

Android: Wild West (2, Insightful)

sonicmerlin (1505111) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422912)

Google has publicly stated that Froyo (Android 2.2) came out 6 months ahead of schedule. And yet... there seems to be no timeline for their improvement of the UI or accessibility and organization of the market place. While freedom is important, a little standardization would go a long way in improving the Android platform for both developers and consumers.

Troubling (3, Interesting)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422916)

It seems to me that this is troubling for the developer, but it's also troubling for the customers. It means that users have bought applications that suddenly have no possibility of being maintained properly. Bugs will never be fixed. New features will never come. It turns iTunes into a fairly risky marketplace.

Slashvertisement? (1, Informative)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422922)

The app still seems to be available on the store. And it looks good too. Is this a slashvertisement? If so, it's a decent one.
linky [apple.com]

As far as the Android store being a wild west goes, sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but his Steveness didn't have anything to do with that.

Windows 7 Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422940)

If MS provides a better approach to this, they can steal quite a lot of developers from apple. But again, MS will want to copy how apple operates. It is about time, apple get a serious compitetion. Google needs to set certain minimum phone configurations specs for Android and make a better experience with that OS. Well as long as the competition sucks, Apple will screw every one.

Rock App ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32422952)

Write and sell the application through ROCK... I've purchased some nice apps for my (jailbroken) iPhone.

Android store(s) a nightmare? (0, Redundant)

Protoslo (752870) | more than 4 years ago | (#32422968)

Blackberry OS doesn't even have stores, but it certainly has software; Android is less "wild" than that. I find it ridiculous to say that people can't market software without a tightly controlled application store. There has never been a successful tightly controlled compulsory application store until Apple's. Since phones have become general computers, why is it so hard for people to buy software the same way they do for their laptops?

Apparently "ShiftJelly" isn't willing to develop for other platforms, but that just means that more versatile developers can succeed instead.

chhhhh chhhhhh (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423016)

"I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further."

android is the alternative (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423032)

Get to work making android the preferred platform of, well, everybody.

Rejected 4 times so far (5, Informative)

aardwolf64 (160070) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423058)

I've been trying to release an iPad version of my app since launch. It has been rejected by Apple four times. Each time, we fixed what they asked us to, and each time they found something else to reject us for.

1. Contained links to Paypal (just like our approved iPhone app.)
2. Doesn't rotate (like MANY other iPad apps)
3. Contained iTunes Links to Points apps (just like other Mafia apps, and our iPhone app.) They are forcing us to implement in-app purchasing.
4. Our website contained a contest... After 10,000 people downloaded our free app and created a free character, we would give a free iPod Touch to one of them. Apple called us today and said that we aren't allowed to give away Apple products from a website associated with the app. They said we can give away a Zune HD, but not an iPod Touch. :-|

Free advert? (1)

muffen (321442) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423074)

So basically, they changed the app and now its reposted on the appstore, then they get a story on slashdot. I doubt their sales are going down.

Freedom != Wild West (5, Insightful)

w0mprat (1317953) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423094)

Android phones now outsell iPhone OS phones, the OS has been excellent since 1.6, the market is really taking off. Last I checked there was everything you might need in the Android Market, inlcuding many things you can't get on iPhone. Then there's home screen widgets.

Mod me down but Android an immature wild west platform? My ass.

There is no alternative platform, despite what others may say about Android, it's immature and their app store(s) are a wild west nightmare. It really is Apple's way or the highway..."

Somehow freedom != wild west? I'll take the highway thanks.

What would you do? (1)

holophrastic (221104) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423098)

It's not Apple's way or no way. It's their way or your way. If you're complaining that other platforms aren't mature enough, then improve them. You'r complaining that your preferred product thinks it's too good for your product. That's how Apple should be -- to a set standard. You're upset that you don't meet that standard, be better. You're upset that there are some false positives, welcome to life. You get to suck up false positives and false negatives in order to have the principle in the first place. You don't get both.

"How can a company be prepared to invest into a platform that can change at any time...", Apple's the one doing that. You're just along for the ride. Be happy that you got as far as you did. Follow the changing rules if you want to stay on the board. Stop complaining that the surf is too eratic -- if it weren't, you wouldn't enjoy surfing.

For the record, I'm not an Apple supporter. They produce wonderful consumer devices. I don't use consumer devices. I use business devices. Remember Microsoft Windows? Designed, from the ground up, to support every developer and every language and every codec and every game and every language and every peripheral? You get one or the other. You get an open environment, or you get a controlled environment. You ain't gonna get both.

You can, however, build your own. It's not hard. It's just a lot of work, money, time, and effort.

Still available on iTunes for me (1)

Emperor Shaddam IV (199709) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423112)

Is this some kind of marketing scam or FUD against Apple? I still see My Frame 1.2 at least in iTunes. Seems a fishy attempt to me to draw attention to the application.

Android is a GREAT platform (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423114)

Contrary to the opinion presented about Android - as a developer, I've found that it is robust and stable - although having to deal with the plethora of window sizes and capabilities does keep one at the cutting edge. I punted on iPhone development a little over a year ago and haven't looked back. Dealing with "the Wild West" or a "crazy Dictator" - I'll take the Wild West any day of the week...

Jerks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32423118)

This is what all you apple fanby jerks have led us to. Thanks a lot. Jerks.

Really? (1)

drumcat (1659893) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423136)

You co-opt the look and feel of the device, and expect Apple to not be pissed? That does fall under the "don't do what we do" doctrine. Sorry; no sympathy here. Maybe Android will let you sell a shiny coat of paint, but you can't act surprised and be believable on this.

No alternative [equally handicapped] platform! (1)

Bradicus (1392663) | more than 4 years ago | (#32423144)

"There is no alternative platform, despite what others may say about Android, it's immature and their app store(s) are a wild west nightmare."

This application is filling a gap in iPhone OS's capabilities. iPhone OS doesn't do widgets or anything widget like - until Apple does it first, of course - which is a feature people want. These guys are trying to fill that hole, and in free and open markets, thats a good thing. However iPhone is not a free nor open market.

The only reason Android doesn't work for him is because Android doesn't have this particular glaring functionality hole.
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