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Porn Sites Pop Up In China

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the har-har-har dept.

Censorship 126

crimeandpunishment writes "It may only be a temporary glitch, but it's one that's providing some pleasure for Internet users in China. Previously blocked websites, including ones with pornography, are suddenly accessible in China. The country has a long history of cracking down on online pornography. One analyst says it's far more likely that this is a glitch, not a change in Internet censorship policy."

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126 comments

porn (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32469996)

porn

An analyst is necessary for this? (2, Insightful)

JorDan Clock (664877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470006)

One analyst says it's far more likely that this is a glitch, not a change in internet censorship policy.

I don't think any analysts are necessary to make such a blatantly obvious statement.

Re:An analyst is necessary for this? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470128)

It's called "hiring your useless brother in law so the wife will give it up".. Know what I'm sayin'?

Re:An analyst is necessary for this? (1, Troll)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470132)

Why not? World changes all the time. Even China is a lot different place than it was many years ago. Eventually it will happen.

Re:An analyst is necessary for this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473080)

Don't you know "analyst says" in any news articles or "analyst" title are just title and methods to make your word sounds more believable? lol

FIRST POST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470008)

finally, after all these years!! wohoo!!

Re:FIRST POST! (3, Funny)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470018)

You fail, again.

Change in policy, glitch, or... (5, Interesting)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470028)

It's a trap designed to let the government perform a high-profile sweep of "perverts".

Re:Change in policy, glitch, or... (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470146)

They can most certainly log attempts to access blocked sites even if the attempt fails due to the filters. Basically if you can block access, you can log it too. So I doubt it's a trap...

Re:Change in policy, glitch, or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470164)

Yeah but you probably aren't going to access the same blocked website day after day. By allowing it but continuing to scan, they can differentiate people who accidentally hit the page and those who just wanna see some tits every day. A blocked web page doesn't show this.

Re:Change in policy, glitch, or... (1)

GunFodder (208805) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470312)

They're going to lock up everyone who tries to access internet porn? I doubt there are enough prisons in China to hold every man with a computer.

Re:Change in policy, glitch, or... (2, Insightful)

lgw (121541) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470878)

China is a prison. Everyone is already locked up. Totalitarianism is like that.

Re:Change in policy, glitch, or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471906)

Speak out against the Chinese government while living in China, and see if you still think this is flamebait!

Re:Change in policy, glitch, or... (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473832)

Denmark's a prison.

spin (1, Funny)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470036)

That's not a bug; it's a feature.

Obligatory Robocop Reference... (2, Funny)

rirugrat (255768) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471102)

You call THIS a GLITCH?!

Most porn isn't blocked (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470046)

I have a porn site that gets shitloads of traffic from China. Several other porn web masters I know also gets Chinese traffic, so their porn block filter most definitely is not air tight. There is just way to much porn on the internet for a single filter to block it all.

Re:Most porn isn't blocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470556)

The internet is really really great............

for porn

Re:Most porn isn't blocked (2, Funny)

witch-doktor (1592325) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471022)

That's the censors "reviewing" the ..er.. material

Re:Most porn isn't blocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471936)

so their porn block filter most definitely is not air tight.

And I was just considering some other fine specimens that are air tight at this very moment..

That's not the only thing (5, Funny)

AndyTayl0r (804872) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470056)

that will be popping up. ;)

Re:That's not the only thing (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470186)

remember, this is China, move along people, nothing to see here.

Re:That's not the only thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470240)

that will be popping up. ;)

And the best part is, in ten minutes, she'll just want to eat another one!

The internet is for... (1)

lostsoulz (1631651) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470064)

...er, I forgot.

Re:The internet is for... (1)

Morth (322218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470148)

talking cows?

Re:The internet is for... (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472294)

Grass/Mud Horses!!

Re:The internet is for... (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470184)

lolcats

Re:The internet is for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470220)

Unfunny videos?

Re:The internet is for... (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470230)

badgers

Re:The internet is for... (1)

plover (150551) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471038)

mushrooms

Re:The internet is for... (0, Redundant)

plover (150551) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471046)

mushrooms!

Re:The internet is for... (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473588)

A snake!!!

Re:The internet is for... (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470528)

nobody knowing you're a dog.

Re:The internet is for... (1)

ewertz (1191025) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473934)

nobody knowing you're going out for a wok.

Re:The internet is for... (1)

Loupis (1822144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471110)

Arguing with other fellow slashdot-ers.

not applicable to hotels? (4, Interesting)

Kozz (7764) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470072)

I was there two years ago. Spent time in Taiwan and Hong Kong as well as Shenzhen and Shanghai (the last two being unequivocally mainland China). No problems at all accessing pr0n, I can tell you. But is that because I was at various ritzy hotels where the censorship rules don't apply equally?

Re:not applicable to hotels? (1)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470156)

I see. When you can't find a chinese mistress, watch p0rn,

Re:not applicable to hotels? (2, Informative)

Kozz (7764) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470338)

Hey, they're masseuses, not mistresses. And besides, the "happy endings" are too expensive.

Re:not applicable to hotels? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470384)

Happy ending? you mean you get married and live happily ever after, right?

Re:not applicable to hotels? (2, Funny)

drewhk (1744562) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470836)

No, that would be Epic Fail.

Re:not applicable to hotels? (1)

The Wild Norseman (1404891) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471018)

Happy ending? you mean you get married and live happily ever after, right?

Getting anxious for your Chinese mail-order bride to arrive, eh?

Re:not applicable to hotels? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470260)

I was there two years ago. Spent time in Taiwan and Hong Kong as well as Shenzhen and Shanghai (the last two being unequivocally mainland China). No problems at all accessing pr0n, I can tell you. But is that because I was at various ritzy hotels where the censorship rules don't apply equally?

yes, some of my parents were there for wark a while ago, basically you don't notice many changes if you stay where they want you to stay.
to see the "rural" parts of the city they had to pretend to go to the airport, and when they left they could take a taxi, but the driver was not happy at all to let them see those "rural" parts of the city (money helped :)

Re:not applicable to hotels? (2, Funny)

Loupis (1822144) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471138)

yes, some of my parents were there for wark a while ago,

Do you have more then just one father and one mother? Lucky.

Re:not applicable to hotels? (1)

MadUndergrad (950779) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471674)

No no, he meant "sum" of my parents, i.e. himself. He was the one trying to see the country for wark.

Re:not applicable to hotels? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470276)

All of these are in Special Administrative / Economic Zones. It may have something to do with that as well.

Perverted mind (1)

JimboFBX (1097277) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470124)

It may only be a temporary glitch, but it's one that's providing some pleasure for internet users in China.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a perverted sentence?

Re:Perverted mind (4, Funny)

Main Gauche (881147) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470162)

It may only be a temporary glitch, but it's one that's providing some pleasure for internet users in China.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a perverted sentence?

I usually don't get that upset about split infinitives.

I noticed! (5, Insightful)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470224)

Yeah, I noticed this recently. I popped in the name of my favorite porn sample aggregator and it loaded, as did all the sites it linked to. Later, I tried to go to youtube - blocked! It turns out my VPN was off the whole time and I hadn't noticed. These porno sites were all blocked before. I don't believe it's de jure illegal to access porn sites, but it is illegal to host them for sure. Online porn is one of the things that the Chinese mafia does in its IT divisions.

What China needs is to produce its own domestic porn. There is no shortage of women ready and willing to do whatever is required. They have Taiwanese and HK porn but it sucks (ask for "yellow DVD/huang1 de DVD" at your friendly neighborhood DVD shop). To many mainland Chinese, the only context they see white women in is pornos or mainstream media. This distorts their viewpoint of all white women. A couple of my friends get harassed all the time because they have blonde hair and nice chests. Everyone assumes they're prostitutes because they look like the women that the Chinese see in pornos. Come on, how many of you immediately think of "kung fu" (or worse, "karate") when you see a Chinese person? Associations are there and they are real.

Re:I noticed! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470278)

A couple of my friends get harassed all the time because they have blonde hair and nice chests. Everyone assumes they're prostitutes...

Unless they have an actual job that paid for that big rock on their finger and the designer frock they are wearing, then yes, they are prostitutes.

Re:I noticed! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470452)

I bet you are a big hit with the ladies.

Re:I noticed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473752)

Mushroom Stamp?

Re:I noticed! (2, Funny)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470288)

Come on, how many of you immediately think of "kung fu" (or worse, "karate") when you see a Chinese person? Associations are there and they are real.

Not me. I think of Mu Shu Pork. Mmmmmmmmmm....

Re:I noticed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470428)

I actually think of the rich heritage and the invention of paper. And, of course, Shenzhen and overworked slaves...

Re:I noticed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470652)

the only context they see white women in is pornos or mainstream media. This distorts their viewpoint of all white women.

As a Chinese living in the US, I believe I must speak up here. We are not all that STUPID. For those who are, the better solution is to improve Japanese porn.

Re:I noticed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470690)

Damn, I am totally for Chinese domestic porn! I spent 6 months in Shanghai, and this generation that is around 20 years old is full of hot good looking women. I think that was when they finally started to eat good in China, like 30 years ago. So, babes are everywhere, and they got like a pretty open view (no pun intended) of their sexuality. They even like to ask white men out sometimes. (the way a chinese regular woman asks you out is very cute, you should experience that).

Re:I noticed! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470996)

Or finally women who are both intelligent and smoking hot won't be scarce any more.

Re:I noticed! (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473494)

Or finally women who are both intelligent and smoking hot won't be scarce any more.

Still crazy though.

2 out of 3 ain't bad...

Re:I noticed! (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472506)

There is no shortage of women ready and willing to do whatever is required.

Um, really? When did China get an excess of women? Last I recall there is a significant female/male disparity in China, with there being so few women that most men have little to no hope of ever getting married or having children themselves.

Re:I noticed! (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472692)

Sigh...you're getting your news from the mainstream media, aren't you? That's one of their favorite stories for some bizarre reason. Actually China has a lot of people. A LOT. No shortage of women. In fact, the problem is precisely the opposite, women are far too picky and insist that a man own property and a car before marriage will even be considered. It's a sort of runaway narcissism due to a combination of One Child Policy and spoiling children. China always had a tradition of large extended families until the government started requiring "permission to give birth" certificates. Now, words like "uncle" aren't even being used any more because of all the only children. The only men who will lose out are the poorest of the peasants, who have nothing to offer a woman save a life of eating bitterness.

Re:I noticed! (1)

Cappadonna (737133) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472662)

Yeah, I noticed this recently. I popped in the name of my favorite porn sample aggregator and it loaded, as did all the sites it linked to. Later, I tried to go to youtube - blocked! It turns out my VPN was off the whole time and I hadn't noticed. These porno sites were all blocked before. I don't believe it's de jure illegal to access porn sites, but it is illegal to host them for sure. Online porn is one of the things that the Chinese mafia does in its IT divisions.

What China needs is to produce its own domestic porn. There is no shortage of women ready and willing to do whatever is required. They have Taiwanese and HK porn but it sucks (ask for "yellow DVD/huang1 de DVD" at your friendly neighborhood DVD shop). To many mainland Chinese, the only context they see white women in is pornos or mainstream media. This distorts their viewpoint of all white women. A couple of my friends get harassed all the time because they have blonde hair and nice chests. Everyone assumes they're prostitutes because they look like the women that the Chinese see in pornos. Come on, how many of you immediately think of "kung fu" (or worse, "karate") when you see a Chinese person? Associations are there and they are real.

Well, many educated, middle class Asians have a very distorted view of Americans in general. If your only view of America is MTV and few ignorant tourists, you'd think we're all uber-violent jackasses. Sadly, there are plenty of educated folks in China, India, Korea and Japan who think young African American male in baggy jeans equals 'drug dealer' or 'rapper'. In college, I had plenty of overseas students from Europe and Asia who were shocked that there were African Americans who read books and didn't care for basketball. Come to think of it, there were a few folks from the Midwest who thought that way too. Not a lot, but maybe 5 or so cats treated my over read behind like I was some sort of pink poodle. They wised up by junior year. ;-)

Productivity (1, Offtopic)

DeadboltX (751907) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470226)

One can't help but wonder how much productivity could be gained if internet porn was not accessible in the U.S.

Re:Productivity (2, Insightful)

Corbets (169101) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470244)

One can't help but wonder how much productivity could be gained if internet porn was not accessible in the U.S.

What, you think offices full of (even more) sexually frustrated geeks will *increase* productivity?

Re:Productivity (1)

SnEptUne (1264814) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472372)

Surely, they can use their frustration on something more productive, like world domination.

Re:Productivity (2, Funny)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470270)

I'm actually performing an ongoing study of that topic, and I'll give you a link in a bit. BRB Fapping.

One more possibility... (2, Funny)

jcr (53032) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470246)

The Chinese authorities may have finally figured out that porn is and always has been a major driver of advancements in communications technology. Maybe they're letting their people see porn because it's good for business.

-jcr

Re:One more possibility... (2, Insightful)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470304)

Fear the Libertarians! If they get their way, the government will leave you alone! Oh, the Horror!

It's not that I fear the government leaving me alone, it's that I fear that if the Libertarians have their way, the corporations will not leave me alone.

Re:One more possibility... (2, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470322)

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the mechanism by which government regulations drive consolidation of corporations into larger and larger entities, and protect them from new competitors. If you imagine that government protects you from corporations, I've got a bridge to sell you.

-jcr

Re:One more possibility... (2, Insightful)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470508)

If you imagine that government protects you from corporations, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Oh, no, I have no illusions about that. It's just that the Libertarians (note upper-case "L" here) would pretty much eliminate what few legal protections I do have and throw all recourse into the civil courts--a solution that favors the wealthy.

Libertarianism is nothing but a continuation of Ronald Reagan's assault on the working class in the U.S.

Re:One more possibility... (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473488)

>Ronald Reagan's assault on the working class

Oh, for Christ's sake. Reagan did what he could to slow the growth of the number one enemy of anyone who works for a living in this country. Go figure out how much of what you earn is pissed away by the federal government.

-jcr

Up next in the news... (1)

pohl (872) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470388)

...half a billion priapic pop-ups in China.

Why is China blocking porn? (4, Insightful)

gillbates (106458) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470470)

Growing up Christian, I understood well why a *Christian* nation would want to eliminate pornography. Banning pornography seemed to fit well with the sixth commandment. It didn't seem at all out of the ordinary that law reflected the derision of most of the voters.

But why is China blocking porn? They aren't a traditionally Christian country - they're decidedly atheist, and actively prosecute Christians. They haven't a clue why (philosophically, at least) sexual morality matters. It seems remarkably odd that a country decidedly anti-Christian is enforcing a ban on pornography, and one more restrictive than America (which is supposedly a Christian nation (or was)).

What possible reason could they have for doing this, aside from the outright malevolent oppression of their citizens. They don't even know *why* porn is wrong, yet they outlaw it.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470566)

Well, they could be blocking it in order to make sure people have real sex instead of wasting time on pornography, to improve the reproductive rates in China and thereby keep the population up.

Oh, wait.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (2, Interesting)

TheSunborn (68004) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470646)

Except that there is a "1 child" policy in most of China. So they should instead make porn legal, and hope people would have less real sex*.

*Based on the porn available in the western world, and the amount of sex people have, this does however not work :}

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (1)

the_one(2) (1117139) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471312)

Based on the porn available in the western world, and the amount of sex people have, this does however not work

You are aware that a lot of western countries have negative population growth rates right? It seems to be working very well IMHO

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472092)

Whoosh

For the same reason everybody blocks porn. (5, Interesting)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470678)

What possible reason could they have for doing this, aside from the outright malevolent oppression of their citizens.

"Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."
- Orwell, 1984.

But that's just the root cause of all totalitarian ideologies. You're looking for the proximate cause, which is why this specific form of control is useful.

Fortunately, the fictional society in George Orwell's unintentional HOWTO also featured a "Junior Anti-Sex League", and it's there for the same reason that China features a ban on pr0n.

They don't even know *why* porn is wrong, yet they outlaw it.

Totalitarians have known precisely what's wrong with unregulated sex, and they've known it - even if just instinctively - since before the written word.

"It was not merely that the sex instinct created a world of its own which was outside the Party's control and which therefore had to be destroyed if possible. What was more important was that sexual privation induced hysteria, which was desirable because it could be transformed into war-fever and leader-worship. ( ... ) There was a direct intimate connection between chastity and political orthodoxy. For how could the fear, the hatred, and the lunatic credulity with the Party needed in its members be kept at the right pitch, except by bottling down some powerful instinct and using it as a driving force? The sex impulse was dangerous to the Party, and the Party had turned it to account."
- Orwell, 1984.

Of course, it's not just the Chinese totalitarians who do this sort of thing. The United States is full of Republichristian fundamentalists to the point that the gay evangelist and toe-tapping Senator are practically cliches.

The Catholic priesthood is celibate - and when it says "Think of the children!", methinks it doth protest too much. But even without its legions of pedopriests, the Catholic Church's ban on contraception comes from the same place: control mating opportunities amongst the laity, and you can keep 'em in church -- because without sex, your gigantic cathedrals (which feature some of the most beautiful architecture/lighting/windows/artwork ever created, and giant mindblowing-reverberating pipe organs that still sound awesome centuries after their construction) were the closest thing a Dark Ages serf would ever get to experiencing ecstasy.

Meanwhile, the marital history of the guy who founded that other religion from the Middle East speaks for itself, and the resulting social policies, in which tribal leaders and rich dudes get four wives... well, with all the wives taken 4-at-a-time to the upper crust, that leaves the low-ranking tribesmen with nothing to look forward to but to strap bombs on themselves in order to hurry up and get their mojo on with those 72 virgins waitin' for 'em in the afterlife.

China's ban on pr0n is just a symptom of a much wider phenomenon that's practically universal amongst authoritarians. The goal isn't th ban pr0n, but the reason it is there is a very good one: it works.

Re:For the same reason everybody blocks porn. (1)

tecnico.hitos (1490201) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471938)

I think Orwell is taken far more seriously than it should. His works serve as a warning of some kind, but hyperbole is strongly present that I can't see why so much people rely on what they say so much. Other than stating that "Power is not a means; it is an end.", everything else you quoted is either obvious, an exaggeration or downright misleading.

"There was a direct intimate connection between chastity and political orthodoxy." Well, correlation is not causaton. The same polygamy-allower Middle East religion that you mentioned often shows to be incredibly strict.

The only reason I can see for China trying to control sex is because of overpopulation.

Re:For the same reason everybody blocks porn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472612)

The only reason I can see for China trying to control sex is because of overpopulation.

I was starting to think you might have a point on Orwell until I saw this line.

Re:For the same reason everybody blocks porn. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473172)

Meanwhile, the marital history of the guy who founded that other religion from the Middle East speaks for itself, and the resulting social policies, in which tribal leaders and rich dudes get four wives... well, with all the wives taken 4-at-a-time to the upper crust, that leaves the low-ranking tribesmen with nothing to look forward to but to strap bombs on themselves in order to hurry up and get their mojo on with those 72 virgins waitin' for 'em in the afterlife.

It might be useful to remember Abraham had 3 wives and the pre-existing culture, before these marriage customs were adopted, involved pre-arranged marriages where the children, especially young girls, were prevented from making their own choices. In the context of history, restricting a wealthy man to four wives was unheard of even in Christian Europe at the time that other religion from the Middle East was being adopted.

What the stories of Jesus and Mo really convey is a strategy for defining limits on tribal leaders...all the other stuff about keeping low-ranking tribesmen in line was already there. Including the promise of 72 virgins and afterlife, etc. The story of religious revolution in Mecca is very interesting in that one can interpret it as a violent or peaceful event depending on their conscious frame, but the story is not focused on the tribal leaders, except generally.

Individual people are given short shrift (intentionally, I think), unlike a fairy tale, whether part of the mob, forgiven, guilty or repenting. Mo just says, "That's okay, that's not okay," ostensibly referencing the sky-fairy manual in his head. It is statues and idols that get destroyed and a meteorite (at least theoretically) that replaces them in the sacred house of worship. All the other bits of revenge plots, flight through the desert without food, and nasty wars trace to this event, when these particular individual tribal leaders are told to shove it and reprimanded by a mob of unhappy low-ranking tribesmen.

I think it's a little presumptuous to assume a particular interpretation which has reached us today, that Mo took four wives as a tribal leader in the context of having gotten rid of the previous tribal leaders, implies exactly what you say it does. Or speaks for itself, as you say.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (1, Troll)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470740)

You, sir, have just written one of the most ignorant posts I've ever read on Slashdot. Congratulations, I guess; it's quite an accomplishment, after a fashion.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (1)

thoughtsatthemoment (1687848) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470774)

Exactly the same reason Christians would want to block porn, that is to help them to establish themselves as the moral authority and demand how people live their lives.

As to prosecute Christians, or Fa Lung Gong for that matter, the Chinese government view them as competitors for authority. It's not about principles, but about who has the final say.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (2, Funny)

moz25 (262020) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470782)

Wow, that is the most ignorant piece of drivel I've read on the internet all day. I will take a few moments out of my otherwise busy schedule to explain why you come across as completely ignorant:

1. The sixth commandment is "thou shalt not kill" -- how does it apply?

2. The USA isn't a Christian nation. It's a nation where the majority consider themselves to be part of the minority of "real" Christians. Oh, and they love pornography as it's a billion dollar business.

3. Christianity does not have a monopoly on rigid morals. It's the old "atheists don't have morals" bullshit that theists use because they think that projecting their own opinions onto an imaginary being elevates those opinions. It doesn't. It just makes it harder for yourself to adjust false views.

4. Take a mere 60 seconds out of your busy schedule to look at the religious beliefs among Chinese. Just use google or whatever. Only 14% of Chinese consider themselves to be atheists. About the same percentage as in the USA.

5. Don't even try the persecution angle or equate "not Christian" with "anti-Christian".

6. Who the fuck are YOU to tell us about their philosophical points or even pretend for a second that yours is superior in any way. Fix your own world model so that you CAN comprehend things, rather than making your own ignorance of other cultures into some absolute reference point.

7. Porn is not wrong. It's just not a topic that us 99% of healthy males bring up in conversation. On occasion, I want to see a video of a woman (or two women) enjoying themselves (no males!). They are fine with it. My wife is fine with it. So get the fuck out of my fantasy, you pervert.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (4, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32470942)

China does indeed block porn out due to moral concerns. Socialist morality is real and predates the people's revolution. I know tons of Chinese people and precisely two religious folk. It's funny, the most isolated (from the rest of China) and outward-facing city, Wenzhou, has more Christians than just about any other place I've seen. It's also funny that you can use Christians because they're so blinkeredly honest. A businessman friend of mine swears by (Chinese) Christian accountants. He would never anyone else for the position because Christians have this goofy moral code that says they shouldn't steal and lie like the rest of the population of China.

China did tear down temples and persecute monks relentlessly. The real Shaolin monastery was destroyed. Any temple you see has been rebuilt since the 80s. The Tibetans in particular suffered from atheist persecution when their theocratic state was conquered. The Falun Gong might be a crazy cult but they fulfilled a need, a great spiritual hunger that was going unsatisfied.

Disagreement is different from lack of knowledge. Calling somebody ignorant just because it disagrees with your worldview is wrong. Stop doing it.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (2, Interesting)

moz25 (262020) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471002)

I stand by my claim that the poster is ignorant and made strong claims based on nothing more than erroneous presumptions. Exactly what part of my response do you disagree with? Everything you say fits very well:

1. You yourself claim that the stereotype about Christians among Chinese is positive, not negative.

2. "The rest of China" is predominantly religious, not atheist. Feel free to verify that fact yourself.

3. You point out various types of religious persecution that aren't against Christians at all. So using terms like "anti-Christian" is highly misleading.

4. Nice to drag Tibetans into this: it has to do with territorial and ethnic control and very little with religion. Then again, aren't all "religious fights" essentially political ones?

So no, I'm not going to stop doing "it".

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (2, Informative)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471284)

I don't know anyone who goes to church or temple, and I know a lot of people. Who are these religious folk? Buddhists? Ancestor worship? Those aren't exactly 'religions' in the way that you or I would consider the term, they're more like traditions. As for erroneous presumptions, it may be that your own presumptions could merely be one interpretation of the subjective reality that you live in, and you're denying that any other interpretation could exist. This is much closer to the real definition of ignorance.

Chinese propaganda was loud and strong against Tibetans and their religion. It was the excuse that China used to march in and take over: we're liberating the workers from the chains of superstitious belief. It continues today with tirades against the Dalai Lama. A little learning goes a long way in curing ignorance.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473262)

Buddhists, Taoists, Muslim, Christian are four big religions in China. They are religions, not tradition. Ancestor worship and confucius related stuff are tradition mixing with religions, depends on your own thought.

Basically, Chinese have a very complex religious world view, mixing traditional Chinese religion with philosophy like Taoism makes the religion of Taoism, which is so local that for many of its religious stuff, we are not sure what's tradition and what is religion anymore. Because it's a religion based on philosophy and ancient religion and philosophies.

Buddhist joined into the game later. As usual, after being in China for years, it's seen as local religion and slowly start mixing in local philosophy and Taoism philosophy together with Buddhist.

Chinese and Japanese (not sure about Korean but probably the same) have a "multi-god" world view that is very complex and nothing near the simplicity of Christian. Each religions have many gods, and some gods are very local that they're not being worship by non-local people. Over years, for some gods, we have no idea which religion those are in anymore and religion customs start to mix. Basically, Buddhist, Taoist, and local Chinese tradition and religion have a very heavy mix in religion and philosophy. And religious people who are not in neither religion usually worship local god of the two religions and major gods of both religions. Using a simple way to say it, Chinese and Japanese "worship all god".

Now, if you take the philosophy side of all these Chinese religions, then those are "tradition and philosophy". But more often than not, it's religion.

Tibetans are Buddhist also. It has very deep relationship with Chinese Buddhism. I don't think mainland government have much negative propaganda against Tibet Buddhism except they won't recognize the highest Tibetan Buddhist to *own* the region like before. And I don't see propagandas against Tibetans neither. Mainland government have long be very careful about the so called "Great-Han Civilization" stream of thought to the point that they suppress our traditional clothing sometimes and ignore some of our request to "teach" the government that our cloths are not "Manchu" people's cloth, which is what they usually wear in shows during Chinese new year etc.

Believe it or not, I'd say the western medias have more propagandas against mainland China than mainland government have against Tibetans.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (1)

thoughtsatthemoment (1687848) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471270)

Christians have this goofy moral code that says they shouldn't steal and lie like the rest of the population of China.

So they would steal and lie like those pedophiles?

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (2, Interesting)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473898)

Minor point, but a quick glance at the Wikipedia article shows that while all Judeo-Christian variants agree that there are Commandments that must be followed, and that there are 10 of them, they cannot seem to agree which Commandment is which. For instance, the Sixth Commandment is "thou shalt not kill" for Episcopalians, but "thou shalt not commit adultery" for Lutherans. If you mix and match denominations, you could obtain anywhere between 9 and 12 Commandments.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470788)

maybe it is because they have too much COCK and not enough PUSSY in China

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472148)

But why is China blocking porn? They aren't a traditionally Christian country - they're decidedly atheist, and actively prosecute Christians.

For the same reason as muslim countries?

You know, historically there were only two ways of contraception:
1, abstinence until marriage
2, infanticide (see the works of William Graham Sumner)
(3, calender method, which is known to performs rather poorly)

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472222)

Sexual morality might have been less of an issue with the left wing politics of the 60's in the West. Eastern "communism" have always been, since the Mao's interpretation of the subject rather different. A morally virtuous citizen is a model for the rest of the society, just like the working hero in Soviet Russia was and the clear blue eyed, blond member of the Aryan race was to Nazi party. The western fascists, namely the posse of Mussolini and Franco, based their ideas of sexual morality probably mostly on a strict interpretations of the Catholicism. It is likely, based on the occupancy of the gas chambers, that the sexual morality did play its part in the ideology of the "pure" race of the Nazi party in Germany as well. Both the communists of the East (draw the line in Berlin) and the fascist of the West have had rather strict ideas of sexual morality in general. Of course, as the Cold War escalated sexual morality became a point of corruption, used by the enemy agents against the interest of a glorious nation both in the communist East and the different forms of government in the West.
  Basically one could say that the Chinese ideology of a single party, as in "all for the Party, all through the Party, unity, harmony and strength" (that's not a direct quote from anywhere), with its "subversion crimes", "everything is a state secret" and "everything is government/Red Army business", is more a representation of pure fascist ideology rather than that of a socialist or a communist kind and the apparent persecution of Christian missionaries is mostly based on the nature of their activities, that is, the social structures they are creating which are subversive to the absolutists power of the Party, rather than on the ideology itself.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472534)

While China does not have 'traditional Christian values', Christians aren't the only group on this planet which places value on the traditional nuclear (and extended) family units. They probably see pornography as detrimental to matrimonial harmony. Chinese culture has also traditionally revered the role the mother has within a family unit, so it isn't likely just a "anti-porn for the sake of women" but for the sake of mothers.

It might also be due to the 1-child rule. Porn, in my experience, seems to add frustration and depression to the inability to acquire a woman for one's self. The desire to be with someone of the opposite sex isn't solely a sexual desire: it's inter-physical, too, and the lack of human touch while still having the sexual release can lead to unhealthy mental habits.

Re:Why is China blocking porn? (1)

straponego (521991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472710)

Yes, because Christian morality is the only morality.

It's all a show for the WTO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32470502)

According to netizens in China, they're declaring that it was done intentionally b/c there's an upcoming WTO inspection coming along which checks to ensure that the member countries are "open enough".

After the official inspection is over, they'll be blocked again.

Suicide deterant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471290)

"Keep you doped with religion, sex and tv
And you think your so clever and classless and free
But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see"

China still has a couple things to learn from us industrial nations.

ugh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472558)

Just wait till a good wind picks up over china...You will be able to smell the release all over the world. Also watch out for earthquakes and tsunamis. If china gets in sync it's game over man! Game over!

Chinese Braveheart (1)

straponego (521991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472716)

They can take our lives, but they can never take our POOOOORRRNNOOOO!!!!!!

Frustrated Society (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472760)

maybe china is experimenting with the idea that the danger of social unrest is starting to outweigh the desire for good societal moral values

i live in china and i can tell you that people are genuinely frustrated about wealth disparity and seriously losing hope of ever owning a home

one only needs to read the stories about attacks on school children and worker suicides to see outward manifestations of this frustration

maybe they're hoping that people will "let it out" in their own homes

Genious (1)

Amanitin (1603983) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473596)

Who's that analyst? I wanna hire this guy right now.

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