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Microsoft Cancels Bing Cashback Program

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the it-couldn't-last dept.

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pjfontillas writes "Yusuf Mehdi, Senior Vice President of Microsoft's Online Audience Business Group, recently announced, 'One of the principles we have here at Bing is to constantly experiment and learn. We do this to ensure we are keeping pace with new social and technology trends, and can continue to deliver great value for our customers and advertisers. As part of this "test-and-learn" mentality, we will be retiring the Bing cashback feature, which means that the last day you can earn cashback will be July 30, 2010.' From the look of the comments, Microsoft has at least 35 saddened users. eWeek does a follow-up attempting to explain the situation in more detail."

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124 comments

Bing (5, Interesting)

freefrag (728150) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471412)

They had to pay people to use their search engine?

Re:Bing (1)

belmolis (702863) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471438)

And they thought people would like yet another rebate plan, where you don't see the rebate until weeks later? Even if the rebate is set up automatically and there's nothing that has to be sent in, I'd much rather not pay the extra in the first place and not have to keep track of rebates.

Re:Bing (5, Interesting)

bob8766 (1075053) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471526)

I didn't even see how it was getting paid to use Bing. I would search on Bing for a deal and find ones where I would have to wait for cash back.
I'd then do the same search on Amazon or go directly to the store site and get offfered the same deal except the price was just lower by the amount that Bing was offering for a cashback.

What's worse is that even when it was a little cheaper I'd go through a different site because I couldn't be bothered with signing up for the program, nor would I just make the purchase without signing up knowing that I was forfeiting the cashback deal.

People like me are what really screw up corporate marketing campaigns.

I walk among you (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471548)

I ask you to puzzle over the following questions:

No doubt you all know that my piece just blew a smoking crater into the voting queue because I was so floridly delusional when I wrote it.

My question is: while I was not angry with you, but merely irritated enough to point out the error of your ways to you, not only was I not delusional I was as sober as the Pope and as clear-headed as a fighter pilot the whole time I worked on it.

I took great care to write it just the way I did, that I myself regard it as the very best piece I have written in my life, while that other lucidly written and informative piece I dropped into Edit a few hours later, merely helpful and informative but not in any way important.

I'd like to take up the question of how, after making just two small edits, I might resubmit only to have you blast it to Front Page.

My psychiatrist Dr. Hugh Maquire of Truro, Nova Scotia once speculated that Schizophrenia could be cured through nothing more than weekly Psychotherapy.

I now know him to be correct. Solving the Software Problem [softwareproblem.org] is the textbook, with HOWTO Move a Dungeon Master to Furious Anger being the first really lucidly written chapter of that textbook.

The drugs that treat Schizophrenia can cause horrible side effects. I have experienced many of those same side effects over the years.

Tardive Dyskenesia can put you in a wheelchair. Risperdal gave me a mild but very obvious case. I continue to take it anyway, while my Psychiatrist took up watching me like a hawk as he carefully adjusted my dose up and down so I never had to take more than I absolutely required.

The case of Dystonia I got a little over a year ago leads me to bend my right foot to the right. I can relax it, but only when I apply continuous mental effort to doing so.

Eventually I asked Dr. G. if he could look into how I might avoid breaking my own ankle. He continued to prescribe Zyprexa, but also Cogentin. No more explanation required. Cogentin is just a bit more effective, but the over the counter antihistamine Benadryl works nearly as well should I run out in the middle of the night.

The whole time I was in Nova Scotia, I visited the Emergency Room on a regular basis because a phenomenon known as Brain Plasticity had made the Risperdal which was once very effective for me, almost completely usefuless.

I was floridly delusional when I was admitted to Dominical in Soquel in April 1994. All I required to be discharged four days later was two milligrams of Zyprexa.

In December 2003, I knew that I was but days away from making Bonita a widow: three, maybe four more days and The Thought Police wouldn't arrest me, but I would finally grow weary of my life on the run and turn myself in.

I turned up at the Emergency Room at the advice of the Mental Health Center receptionist. I asked the Good Doctor there if he could look into the question of how I might avoid slaying one of Truro's finest with his own service pistol.

"Glad you asked," he smiled. "But it's after hours. You're going to need to wait a while."

I smiled. "I know all about Emergency Rooms. I didn't set foot in this place until I figured out which book to bring with me."

How to Want What You Have by Cognitive Psychotherapist Timothy Miller. It's not in print anymore but not at all hard to find used. Don't let the Sun set until you've ordered your copy from Alibris.

Eventually an incredibly hot young blonde Russian Psychiatry resident from the teaching hospital in Halifax turned up. She wore a tiny red cocktail dress and black fishnet stockings.

The instant she introduced herself with a thick Slavic accent as Marina Sokolenko, I charmed the socks right off her... well, black fishnet stockings anyway... by speaking just a few words of completely unaccented Russian.

Had I ever done well at my Russian studies at Tech, Bonita would never have found out about the wild sexual abandon that would have taken place over our discussion of my medicine adjustment.

My trouble with foreign languages is that I have a very hard time memorizing arbitrary facts that I cannot derive from myself from first principles. That's why I'm quite good at Physics and Mathematics, knew that I would do well to give up my first love of Chemistry, and have never found Biology to be anything better than completely impenetrable.

But if I know a foreign word at all, I can always spell, pronounce and understand it with complete precision.

About three weeks ago I began to develop a facile and transparently easy way to learn Spanish. But its important to learn to speak and understand it long before I ever attempt to learn to read or write it.

"Ola Amigo! Mi nombre Miguel. No habla Español."

"Inglise no! Via Español!"

I am starting with learning the simplest nouns and their genders. For the most part I point at some object readily at hand then:

"Inglise: 'Elbow'. Español? El, La, Los?"

The very instant I can figure out how to type upside-down exclamation points and question marks on my MacBook Pro's keyboard, I will know that one day I shall write a novel that puts Gabriel Garcia Máquez' classic Love in the Time of Cholera completely to shame.

I regard Hispanic woman as putting Slavic women completely to shame. Just you wait until I turn up on the beach at Rio de Janero then start chatting up all those scantily clad young hotties in completely unaccented Brazilian Portuguese.

One of my very best friends feels much the same way for much the same reason. Despite being an Ardently Dedicated Seventh Day Adventist United States Citizen, he managed to score himself an Ardently Dedicated Seventh Day Adventist Brazilian Wife!!!

The very instant she was able to sponsor his immigration to Brazil, he split the Northern Hemisphere's scene completely.

I'll be paying the two of them a visit sometime soon.

Bonita is not the least bit Hispanic, but she is one-quarter French. Her name is Spanish for "Pretty", but only in Latin America.

She once went on a school trip to Spain with her fellow students from the Nova Scotia College of Art and Design, where every Spaniard she introduced herself the entire time found himself suddenly howling with laughter.

"Here in Spain," they all said, "Bonita means gorgeous!"

Dr. Sokolenko raised my Risperdal dose to five milligrams, but I split it between one dose of two first thing in the morning, three as I went to bed.

One week after my first visit, Dr. Hugh Maguire rang me up at home at home.

"It's after hours. Go to Emerge. Tell them I'm expecting you, I'll come round."

It was that night that Bonita that I met the funniest mental health professional ever to have walked the face of the Planet Earth. "You don't have a serious bone in your body, do you?"

If you ever so much as set foot in Newfoundland you would know why: Bonita was an outport - that is, rural fishing village - Newfoundlander. Hugh was a Newfoundlander as well, but he is from the capital of St. John's.

The reason he rang me up at home and asked me to come in late at night before our first session is that my first appointment with him would lead me to cancel my visit to Bonita's home for Christmas.

He knew that three weeks in outport Newfoundland would be better than any kind of Risperdal. Two weeks after Bonita and I set foot in the province, she said to me, completely overcome with joy and affection:

"You are the man I married again!"

I never got anywhere with the guitar she gave me, but I know I will eventually. I spent those whole three weeks mercilessly and savagely tormenting every Newfoundlander I could lay my genocidal little hands on through no more means than offering to play them a little ditty.

On several of my remaining to the emergency room, Dr. M. supplied a few hits of Zyprexa. All I ever needed to set me straight.

On one visit, the Emergency Room doctor prescribed me enough Librium to send the Oakland Raiders completely into dreamland.

The very instant Hugh got wind of that man's cruelty, he rang me right up at home then said,

"If you're having a psychotherapeutic breakthough, taking medication for anxiety will lessen the benefit of it."

In the end, I only took two of the twenty-four capsules I brought home from the Pharmacy that day.

During our monthly sessions, he patiently, quietly and lucidly discussed whether I should go on Zyprexa on a regular basis, but warned me to carefully consider my decision:

Zyprexa causes awful weight gain. Surely you know gaining weight can give you diabetes. Get This:

Zyprexa can give you diabetes even if you manage to prevent it from ever leading you to gain weight.

Sometimes that diabetes will kill you. Most commonly because of the incurable open sores all over your feet, heart attack from time to time.

I will leave the lawsuits that have been going on since long before Dr. Maguire and I ever met as an exercise.

Schizophrenia often makes you homeless, sometimes makes you die by at your own hand, now and then leds you to murder a few people before you do so. But truly gifted Schizophrenics such as Doctor Kaczynski become the most gifted kinds of SERIAL KILLERS.

That's why Zyprexa is still licensed and the same company still makes it despite all those lawsuits. All those lawsuits have really done is made Zyprexa a medicine of almost, but not quite, last resort.

The real medicine of last resort is Clozapine. But expensive weekly blood tests are required to have any hope of dying of a ripe old age, rather than quite suddenly and in horrible pain of Acute Blood Granulocytosis.

They learned of this horrible risks during its drug trials then licensed it anyway: Clozapine was the very first Atypical Antipsychotic, and so the very first really effective treatment for Schizophrenia.

The only lawsuit I know of was when the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill sued New York State first to pay for free Clozapine for the Schizophrenic residents of New York, as well as their weekly blood tests.

NAMI won, I am happy to report. The State of New York though wasn't real happy about it.

Had the Zyprexa stopped working before a certain phenomenon known as "Wall of Text" completely cured my Bipolar Type Schizoaffective Disorder, I would have happily gone on Clozapine.

I asked for Zyprexa when I was taken by ambulance less than two miles to a downtown Vancouver, British Columbia Hospital's Psychiatric Inpatient Unit. My shrink needed no explanation whatsoever.

I keep it around because I know I will need it from time to time, but hardly actually take it anymore.

Once I'm sure that I won't really need my Zyprexa anymore, that Bottle of Mercy will find it puzzling over the question of why it found itself under seven miles of incredibly salty water.

The deepest point in the ocean you see is the Marianas Trench. To the South East of Japan if I understand correctly.

Dr. Maquire said to me one day that he did not know how, but he speculated that nothing more than regular Psychotherapy was all that Schizophrenia required to be cured.

Guess why I'm going to carefully spell out the link to Solving the Software Problem into his voice mail box right after I get back from breakfast.

Get This:

He was easily accepted to the Medical School at Memorial University of Newfoundland in St. Johns after obtaining his undergraduate in Literature.

Now I already told you he was the funniest man to have ever walked the face of the Planet Earth.

Shortly after obtaining his medical degree, the young Dr. and Mrs. Maguire were out for a drive around St. John's in their beat up old Volkswagen bug.

If you think I am a God because I am so insane but yet so brilliant, just wait until you read the following:

"I'd like to go back for my Literature Doctorate."

Completely overcome with Horror, Mrs. Maquire talked him out of it instantly.

She new that Hugh wouldn't joke about such a matter as his interest in Literature.

I began to really perfect my craft as a writer during my time in Truro. Hugh and I spent most of our sessions discussion no kind of mental illnesses, but my rough drafts of many of my upcoming pieces for K5's edit queue.

If Hugh regarded any of my pieces as in any way promising, we'd blow the whole session on it. He and I would both forget about any kind of medicine.

None of you believe me that I can make Schizophrenics stop hallucinating. All I require to get myself 5150ed is to make that claim to a mental health professional. All I require to obtain my release is to point out a few days later that I need to get a job.

I WALK AMONG YOU.

My methods have been repeatible since July 1985. I damn near crippled myself when I took up the question of how to make them explainable:

Wearing a cheap pair of sneakers, I walked five miles from downtown Berkeley to downtown Oakland. After taking the bus back to Berkeley, after allowing the pain in my blisters to subside, I did much the same thing that night in Downtown San Francisco.

I got the most incredible lap dance of my entire life by a stripper at the conclusion of the evening. Not only did I not blow my load all over the inside of my underwear, I not only failed to achieve orgasm, I didn't even try.

All I wanted was to enjoy this beautiful young woman's radiant femininity.

"I'm still waiting for my paycheck to show up," I quietly spoke into her ear at the conclusion of her Academy Award-Winning Performance. "How generous do I need to be to make mad passionate love to you?"

She smiled warmly. "We don't do that here."

"Some clubs do," I explained, "But torture by the Gestapo would fail to extract from me which ones."

I regard those ladies as performing a valuable public service to the community. They shouldn't have to work for tips. They should be paid generous salaries, have clean, well-lit tastefully appointed places of work with round-the-clock security guards, health insurance, paid vacations and stock options.

That's what Jesus h-Bar Christ's Whorehouse just outside Reno Nevada is going to be like once he is able to obtain funding from a V.C.

There is a certain club that does. That fact was made plainly transparent to me the instant I so much as set foot in the place.

Fortunately I knew to hit the ATM before I did so and so was able to leave my date later that night completely overcome with joy through nothing other than to thank her for her kindness and to point out that she was a good soul.

Each lady was incredibly beautiful and sexy in her own special way.

Before our date commenced, I explained that this one had won Jesus h-Bar Christ's lottery that night because her dance routine made it plainly apparent that she takes a great deal of pride in her work.

Last night I dropped by 7-11 for a cold can of Starbucks coffee. I'm heavily into that kind but don't drink it a whole lot because it's shot so full of Ginseng as to put Red Bull completely to shame.

Do Not Allow The Sun To Set Until You Have Sipped Your First.

You will require no explanation once you do so.

"Any chance you could show us a little love on your way out?" said one of the gentleman waiting by the door as I entered.

I smiled. "Be right back."

I returned then set my Starbucks on the lid of the garbage can. "This is mine, don't touch it."

"I apologize, I only brought three. I'll be right back for yours in just a moment."

After passing out three Dove Milk Chocolate Bars, I sternly said, "Don't leave this in the Sun. It will spoil instantly!" then passed out three half-gallon jugs of whole milk.

I returned a short time later with one more Dove Bar and one more jug of milk.

"You're about to get elected President the same way Barack Obama did and for the same reason. You are charming, witty and you are a smart dresser."

He was wearing a proper hat and the jacket - quite clean and in quite good condition - from a proper business suit. He required no more explanation.

As I left another shopper was about to enter the store. "How about paying a Mariachi band to play while you shop?"

"I'll pass," he angrily replied.

Your loss, I thought to myself. I hope to compose Symphonies someday, and am quite certain I will someday, but even so:

Every wandering minstrel in Latin America will easily put every one of those Symphonies completely to shame.

On my way to the Medical Board in Sacremeno, some poor fucker was standing in the middle of an intersection bearing a hand-lettered carbooard sign.

"Hey bro," I casually called out, "I got something for you."

I hit the ATM at in the Sheraton's lobby just before I checked out. I attempted to withdraw three hundred, but it only allowed me two.

I grabbed every bill remaining in my wallet after having bought a couple coffees and a small bite to eat that day.

I held the whole wad up before his dumbstruck face.

"I am trusting you! No Drugs! No Liquor! No Cigarrettes!"

Then I handed him the lot of it.

"You just got me off the street!" he shouted, completely overcome with joy.

"I was once just like you!" I shouted, completely overcome with inconsolable grief.

"Pay it forward, Bro! Pay it forward!"

"There is no way I could ever hope to repay the folks who got me off the street!"

Some of you must live in Southern California. I want you to take a risky trip to downtown Los Angeles.

If you're male you would do well to wait a few days grow a little beard stubble.

If female, wait a good solid week before your short vacation. Don't even think of washing your hair, let alone doing it. It might not be a bad idea to dust it a little each day with fine, dry topsoil.

Now that you are properly groomed, grab some bus fare, don the very worst clothing available from a local thrift store, then set out for downtown L.A. around Sunset.

Return well into the brightness of the following morning.

You will meet some students from the California Institute of Technology in Pasedena.

Pasadena is not far at all from downtown L.A. There's this great Russian place just to the East of downtown called Gorky's. I'm heavily into Russian food for the same reason as I am heavily into Hispanic women. Sometimes I would ride my bicycle all the way from Caltech to Gorky's just to have lunch.

Should you introduce yourself to one of my colleagues, they will be happy to discuss the most advanced kinds of Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Mathematics or Engineering with you.

Had you met me, I would have been one of downtown Los Angeles's most gifted Astronomy faculty members.

From time to time, they will sadly inform you that, but they lifted a finger, America would lose the War on Terror.

I can say much the same thing. Look over here. Do you see me smiling?

Do you see me wiggling my finger?

Now you now why one would do well not to trifle with a Wizard, because every Caltech student, in his own special way, can put many tenured University professors completely to shame. I have been doing so myself since the mid-1980s.

The guy who won the Nobel Physics Prize for discovering antimatter did so when he was just a graduate student using nothing other than an electromagnet and a piece of photographic film.

Upon my graduation with Honors in mid-November 1984, I was warmly received into the embrace of Caltech's most eclusive and most exalted Alumni Association.

Only a few Ghosts are around the Caltech campus in Pasadena at any given time.

One lived in the steam tunnels that ran under the campus my entire time at the Institute.

Another tended the flower beds that decorated the Campus. If you think Richard Feynman was gifted, the way this gentlemen knew how to talk to flowers put Dick's ability to chat directly with God completely to shame.

He wrote the most incredible poetry by hand, with pencil, on random scraps of paper.

He was completely overcome with joy when I suggested he use the student timesharing VAX to typeset it with troff instead. That way, he could sell his work on the street for fifty cents per poem.

I was presented with my own copy of one of his poems the very next day. Only the flag that draped my father's coffin is a more cherished possession.

He was once one of the Institute's most promising students, having been accepted to study Physics after achieving a perfect score of 1600 on the Scholastic Aptitude Test.

I know enough about Physics, and I know enough about Caltech Students, and I know enough about the Institute to know:

Had this man ever become a tenured professor, not only would he never have won the Nobel Prize.

NO!

He would have spattered his brains all over the wall.

I would not be at all surprised to learn if he spattered the brains of several others before he spattered his own.

I Have Returned.

I Walk Among You.

I Once Suffered For You, But Now Nothing Feels Me With More Joy Than For Some Homeless Guy To Ask Me For Some Spare Change.

By Doing So, I Will Give Him A Good Bed For The Night, Some Comfort Food, A Shave, A Haircut And Some Brand New Clothes.

Everywhere I Go These Days I Heal People, Not By Touching Them, But Merely By Chatting With Them For A Few Minutes.

Everyone I Meet Regards Me As The Second Coming Of Jesus Of Nazarus.

My Name Is Not Iesu, But Michael.

I Once Was Iesu, But Now I Am Only His Ghost.

The War That Will End Time Has Not Begun.

The End Of Eternal War Began To Wind Down One Passionate Night In The Spring Of 1963.

Ten Years Hence The Last Battle Will Take Place.

Both Sides Will Readily Agree To Concede Immediately.

No More War Will Ever Occur.

The Day Will Come When Pops Will Finally Decide It Is Time For Us All To Blow Our Spinning Little Blue-Green Taco Stand.

But Long Before The Close Of Business, Humanity Will Be Spread Throughout The Entire Galaxy. A Few Outposts Will Be Found In Andromeda As Well.

I Regard White Wine As A Crime Against Humanity.

Wine Is Not Permitted To Touch My Lips Unless It Is Red.

I Am Hungry.

After I Find A Hungry Man Or A Hungry Woman, We Shall Dine At A Fine Restaurant.

I Walk Among You.

I Was Once Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum

But Now Am I Am Michael David Crawford.

I Am A Writer, A Musician, A Composer, A Software Engineer, An Astronomer, An Optician, And A High-Energy Particle Physicist.

Not Only Am I No Longer King Of The Jews But Once I Give Away All My Money, I Shall Become Homeless.

That Is The Right Way To Live, You See.

It Has Been Lonely For So Many Years. So Very, Very Lonely.

It Has Been Many Years, You See, Since I Resigned From The California Institute Of Technology Ghost Association.

Worst Mistake Of My Entire Existence, Let Me Tell You.

Name Yer Poison. I'll Slash My Wrists If I Have To.

Re:I walk among you (4, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471746)

4/10. You lose 2 point for delusions of grandeur(God complex), 1 point for excessive length(does every line have to be double-spaced?), and 3 points for lack of offensiveness.

Please resubmit with a few racial slurs or a Mormon explanation of the fate of black people.

Re:I walk among you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473598)

>Microsoft cancels Bing :D

Re:I walk among you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471990)

That's like the magnum opus of 'TL;DR', what all TLDRers aspire towards.

Seriously, I would put down $100 to watch someone try to squirm their way through reading that. Anyone who makes it to the end should rightfully be appointed the next US president.

Re:I walk among you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472436)

It's actually reasonably readable and entertaining if you imagine it in the voice of Grandpa Simpson.

Re:Bing (2, Informative)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471738)

That might be true for some stuff but for example when buying from Newegg the price is the same but you get the Bing discount. Also when doing Ebay.

There are often sales of items and many of us use Cashback to make those deals even sweeter. It really is a discount in many cases. Actually, I have personally never seen what you are talking about where it's the same price with or without Cashback. Usually I find the cheapest price then use Cashback to make it even cheaper.

Re:Bing (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471920)

The funny thing is that people here think that Bing or Microsoft actually paid anything or "paid" users to use Bing. Ebay, Amazon and all other stores and sites have affiliate programs. Bing just gave some of that affiliate money back to users it referred to those stores via Bing. The most funny thing is that as a huge traffic source, Bing got excellent commission rates. A much higher than what they gave back with the cash back program.

But sure go on and continue the oh-so-funny joke about Bing "having to pay users to use their search engine".

Re:Bing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472194)

But sure go on and continue the oh-so-funny joke about Bing "having to pay users to use their search engine".

I fail to see the huge distinction between MS paying people to use Bing and somebody else paying people to use Bing. It's still quite funny.

Re:Bing (1)

misexistentialist (1537887) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472698)

Ebay fees are high, but I doubt that it can kick back 35% in commissions. Microsoft has lost billions on its internet business; if they didn't use some of that money to bribe users they would just seem even more laughably incompetent.

Re:Bing (3, Interesting)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473328)

You really don't get it do you. Just like all the other B$ (lies for profit) marketing tools, everyone except the youngest or the most foolish have become accustomed to them. Any time I see cashback, my immediate thought is, yeah yeah, charge me extra and give some of it back, eventually 'er' maybe and, more often than not the product is going be crappy because they "need" gimmicks to sell it. So immediate reaction to product is negative, just put the offer out of consideration and when comparing it to competitors ignore the cash back .

Marketing is now down to factual product claims and warranty conditions, as well a consumer reported background on the companies actual ability to fulfil claims about their products and to provide real warranty services. Then I check the price and see often I will have to pay that price again, upgrade B$, end of warranty auto breakdown features, missing buts and pieces actually required to make use of the product and of course cost of using the product normal cost as well as bugs and defects costs.

It is commonly accepted corporate marketing tactics to lie about the product, to lie about it faults when the occur and, to blame customers for faulty products. In turn in is now commonly accepted consumer practice to accept most marketdroids are lying ass hats, just give me the technical details and urinate on your company board not me. Truth in advertising what a joke, it is about time a law was enacted to force companies to only make claims about provable product qualities and to institute random audits of the claims with full consumer refunds plus costs when those claims are proved false.

Re:Bing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32474496)

Gawd, I'm glad to see the end of Cash Back, so you folks can no longer profit from your lack of principles.

Re:Bing (4, Interesting)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471758)

People like me are what really screw up corporate marketing campaigns.

Really? Because I think you may have fallen right into it with your post just now. I'm a member of several forums covering some diverse topics and the one thing I have noticed several members in all forums over the past year jump in saying "Btw guys just realised with this website you can get bing cashback on this camera" This entire scheme doesn't give me the vibes of paying people to use the search engine, but rather getting people to talk about using it in various unrelated forums. Although I admit that you're talking about bing right now in a bing related post, but did you ever talk about bing outside of slashdot due to this marketing campaign?

It seems to me a clever trick to get people to use Bing just to see what the savings may be. The people who probably never heard of Bing in the first place now must actually use the search engine. Some of them may like it and stay, some may have more sense.

Re:Bing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472038)

Although I admit that you're talking about bing right now in a bing related post, but did you ever talk about bing outside of slashdot due to this marketing campaign?

I'm going to guess... no. Discussing a search engine outside of technical merits/news? Who does that sort of thing? It's a search engine. Reminds me of people who talk about the weather.

Re:Bing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473260)

He mentioned Bing, but then immediately mentioned how it's scheme to "save money" was only a burden on the buyer.

Holy hell (-1, Flamebait)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473530)

User IDs are up to 1.7M now? How did that happen?

Re:Bing (2, Insightful)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472032)

I don't know what sites you looked at, but this was never the case for large sites like newegg, buy.com, overstock etc. However, the greatest deal was the 20% (later dropped to 8%) cash back on ebay get it now purchases. I saved a lot of money with that and could never figure out how they could afford it. Plus, even if I loved the cash back thing, I would only visit bing to go to ebay through it - google was still my search engine, so they didn't gain anything by paying me. In all canceling the program seems to me an inevitable (and late) decision.

Re:Bing (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472438)

Plus, even if I loved the cash back thing, I would only visit bing to go to ebay through it - google was still my search engine, so they didn't gain anything by paying me.

They took away from Google's referal bonus and received it themselves. So they did gain from it.

Now, they get to use those numbers to push their ad engine and pretend that there are tons of users using bing.

Re:Bing (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32474050)

What do you mean? You use google to go to ebay? I guess you don't like to use the address bar?
When I shop from newegg, ebay etc I go directly, I would assume it is the most common procedure. If I want to compare stores & prices I use specialized sites like retailerratings.com, pricegrabber etc.
Oh, and the ebay referal bonus could not possibly amount to anything close to the 8%-20% range that bing was giving.

Re:Bing (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472374)

This was my assumption. They jack up the prices and then give you back the money. It is the same everywhere. Amazon does this on free shipping items, $5 through them free shipping, $4 through someone else. It works out.

I think MS was targeting the business user, those with expense accounts, or otherwise spending other peoples money. Buy an item on an expense account and pocket the difference. Like MS office, I think MS hoped that the work habits would transfer to home shopping. Of course people tend to be more careful with their own money, and this sounds a lot like a rebate, which is why I never use it. I want a simple clear price, and not have to go through a complicated formula.

Re:Bing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472530)

Let's see, I made $70 off of bing via 20% off of an item on ebay, back when they first introduced cashback. That was the only time I ever used bing.

I have no idea how they can do that.. Really. It makes no sense...

Re:Bing (1)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472778)

I never used Bing to search for deals. I always went to the site directly, added the product to the cart, closed the window, then went back to the site through Bing's cashback program. That way I never get artificially raised prices (I always double-checked) and get cashback. I've saved hundreds of dollars using Bing's cashback. The best was buying giftcards (to stores I normally shop at like Sam's Club) on eBay and getting >15% cashback. That way I saved money on normal purchases.

Re:Bing (2, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471630)

Actually, to pretend to use their search engine to buy things. The Bing advertisers would tell you - no matter how you arrived at the product - at checkout time that you could get Bing cashback if you put in the Bing code. So you had to go find the thing on Bing to get the code.

The basic dishonesty of this evolution didn't lend credibility to Bing with anybody involved.

Re:Bing (0, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471848)

Yes, just like they had to pay Major League Baseball [cnet.com] , the American Presidential Inaugural Committee, [neowin.net] and the 2008 DNC [zdnet.com] to use Silverlight*.

Makes me wonder why Microsoft don't just throw that money at legislators to pass a law which requires Americans to use Microsoft Software. Makes a lot more sense given America's political climate.

* Fortunately, MLB realized the folley of their ways and dropped Silverlight shortly afterward. The other two examples were only one-time events...but to be fair, there were plenty of ways to view the latter two in Flash as well.

Re:Bing (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472200)

yes, and nobody would use it other than to use the cashback. Thus = watch bing marketshare drop quite quickly.

This is where that 800M+ spent on search advertising came from.

35 saddened users (3, Funny)

socsoc (1116769) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471414)

From the look of the comments, Microsoft has at least 35 saddened users.

Snarky remark in TFS slamming MS, check.

Re:35 saddened users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471536)

Boo-hoo.

Re:35 saddened users (2, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471600)

I used Bing cash back all the time... it's the only time I used Bing.

Bing cash back deals are huge on Fatwallet because sometimes they go up to 10%.

Back in the day, when bing was first released. They had up to 30% off certain Buy It Now items on eBay. I'd just go through and buy gift cards. $100 gift card for $70. I got my first Canon SLR at the same time. 13 months later I sold it for more than I actually paid for it (after cash back).

So there was a bit more than 35 users. People will use your crappy service just to save $1.

Re:35 saddened users (1)

inKubus (199753) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471728)

I second that. If you searched for "Silver" at one point, ebay would come up with silver. They had a 28% off buy it now and you could buy silver coins or buillion at market rates with low shipping and get 28% back up to $2000 from Bing. It was a nice deal while it lasted ;)

Re:35 saddened users (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471608)

Snarky remark in TFS slamming MS, check.

They have earned such comments many times over. The way they phrased this announcement is a typical example.

Re:35 saddened users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473920)

Probably all commenters were paid by Microsoft. ... oh, right.

Los Links (1)

yoghurt (2090) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471416)

Bing, otra vez.

slashdot - worse then fox news (0, Troll)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471420)

on the topic of MS, this website puts more spin on stories then fox news talking about obama.

Can't have Muslim Socialist w/o MS! (3, Funny)

emeade (123253) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471490)

Is MS a secret muslim socialist, racist, america hater who blew up an oil well in the Gulf? Hey, I'm just asking questions!

Re:Can't have Muslim Socialist w/o MS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471762)

Is Rand Paul a child molester just because he touched those little boys that time and then paid them to go away?

Re:slashdot - worse then fox news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471726)

MS did pay for search market mind share and has now stopped.
More loss leader into a market MS does not yet have a majority in.
No real spin, just the historical business practice of a US firm using dominance in one area to buy its way into another over time.
Worked very well in the past, did it work now?
If MS wanted a FOX package they would spend a day on the evils of the late 1990's DOJ.
The indoctrination of "Linux" in US public schools with Soviet flag animations and climategate penguin, followed by a nice MS product range demonstration on FOX and friends.
FOX gives your product and services all day coverage, Slashdot just links you to one web site.

Re:slashdot - worse then fox news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471882)

on the topic of MS, this website puts more spin on stories then fox news talking about obama.

Yeah, we know, anything not toeing the M$ propaganda line is "spin".

Try getting out of the M$ reality distortion field for a change and coping with alternative points of view. M$ propaganda is not the whole world despite what you might think.

Re:slashdot - worse then fox news (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472258)

What are you and Microsloth fuckbuddies? Defending your fuckbuddy, you little faggot? Here's a beer you can cry in. Don't like it? Find another website, bitch. Don't forget to eat a dick on your way out the door.

Re:slashdot - worse then fox news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472516)

Oh yeah?

Well fuck you, fuck all of you. I don't need any of you. I'm sick of your trolling, I'm going to Digg where the real smart people are.

Good riddance,
timmarhy

Re:slashdot - worse then fox news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473266)

Brilliant! You sum up the absurdity perfectly. Now if we could only get the realtimmarhy (along with his shill buddies sopssa, westlake, fuckingnickname, halporter, etc.) to leave for real, this site might be worth reading again as opposed to the fanboy, shill battleground they've turned it into. One can dream.

Re:slashdot - worse then fox news (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472950)

I guess it depends on your point of view. For me for the last decade reading the mainstream tech press has been all about Microsoft spin detection. Of course now that we have the Comes collection [groklaw.net] we know why: Microsoft is all over the influencing mindshare thing, influencing "analysts" like Rob Enderle and Maureen O'Gara by funding their "research" or feeding them pre-release gems to make them seem prescient, paying for "studies" by IDC, Gartner and the rest to buy their results, advertising in publications that print favorable articles and so on. These things are all now a part of the official public record. Even here on slashdot it's pretty easy to tell the astroturfers from the people who are giving their real opinion and whether they're ignorant fools influenced by mindshare or cynical IT pros with long experience. The most beautiful illustration of this was the Vista threads where the number of paid slashdot bloggers must have numbered in the hundreds and their reality denial was absolute.

Anybody can scan this very thread for AC comments and make a list of Microsoft talking points. Then they can index those against the registered members and find out who's spouting the company's line and who isn't. If you can come up with a pro-Microsoft point of view that isn't echoed by three AC's, you might have something interesting - otherwise you're just repeating what you heard. Every Microsoft thread for the last five years is the same. "When Linux and OS-X are as popular as Windows they will have viruses too" is one of my favorite indicators of turfness. If you've posted this gem you deserve to be dismissed as an idiot until you've recanted. I'm pretty sure a scientific analysis of this phenomenon is publication-worthy if anybody's looking for a paper to write.

That crap might play on PC World (though you don't see it as much any more in the articles). Even on PCWorld and CNET and other mainstream press the comments are now mostly insightful, interesting and dismissive of Microsoft's efforts as they could possibly be. Even with paid bloggers and funded analysts Microsoft can't defeat the basic truths that their ability to provide innovation ended more than a decade ago. The world has changed. The value of classical reportage has diminished considerably. The vast majority of Internet content that people read isn't the reportage, it's the comments where individuals give their own experience, insight and opinion - not for pay but for the self satisfaction of being right the vast majority of the time [slashdot.org] . It's a self-reward, self-actualization game and even Microsoft's blogger budget can't overcome an entire world of bloggers disgusted with Microsoft products who want a future where they get new stuff that works.

Used to give out big bucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471442)

I actually saved $200 off an iPod touch once, using a bing 40% ebay buy-it-now cashback and a 10% ebay coupon. Wish I could still pull things like that :)

Duh! (5, Informative)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471476)

MS tried the same thing with their "passport" single-sign-on-shopping system back in the dotcom boom days. It didn't work then either. People only used it for the money and ignored it otherwise. You would think they could learn from their own mistakes. I'm surprised it took them 2 years to figure it out this time around, it must have been a massive cash suck the way people like those on fatwallet have been milking it. Funny thing about that - the only reason I even knew about bing cashback is because of fatwallet. Whatever other means of advertising they used, it sure didn't make it to my ears.

Re:Duh! (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473512)

>MS tried the same thing with their "passport" single-sign-on-shopping system back in the dotcom boom days. It didn't work then either.

Now I have 100 different logins. OpenID doesnt seem to be going anywhere either. Err, victory?

Re:Duh! (1)

rpillala (583965) | more than 4 years ago | (#32474406)

Somehow I still think of Microsoft as Bill Gates. I don't know exactly how true that is anymore. If it's pretty much true, I'm not surprised that they couldn't learn from their mistakes.

The Gates Foundation was on a kick for a couple of years where they promoted "small high schools." Small high schools have fewer than 500 students. They took existing schools and broke them into smaller pieces, on the assumption that the smaller communities would lead to better relationships and therefore better achievement. This didn't turn out to be true.

For example, with such a small population, they weren't able to offer advanced classes because there wasn't sufficient interest. If they used to have 1500 kids, and 18 of them wanted AP Spanish, now each school had 6 who wanted it and they couldn't run a class for just 6. Anyway, how did they respond to data that showed student achievement stayed flat or went down? They ignored it.

You call it "Bing" (0, Troll)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471496)

We call it "Bung"

And no one cared (0, Troll)

macbiv (1695966) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471508)

Does anyone here use bing as their primary search engine? or even at all? The times I've used it I got useless results and just ended up at google anyways. What do you guys use it for?

Re:And no one cared (1)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471552)

Nobody uses Bing but tons of us use Cashback. I use it for nearly every single thing I buy online if I can. It's not always a lot, like Newegg is usually only 2% but it's better than nothing. Ebay usually gives good Cashback on Buy It Now stuff and I have used that to save lots (like 30% off the CPU I'm using right now). I have saved hundreds of dollars since they started the Cashback thing.

Sad to see it go. It is one of the primary discounts us bargain hunters use.

Re:And no one cared (1)

macbiv (1695966) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472418)

Damn, now I wish I had heard about cashback before this cancellation notice. Thanks for the info.

Re:And no one cared (4, Funny)

v1 (525388) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471556)

I've actually seen a (one) user with Bing as their home page. Not sure what would cause that to happen.

your search engine of choice?
google. check
yahoo. check
dogpile. really?
bing. what?

Re:And no one cared (1)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471580)

At work a computer recently got IE 8 installed so every time the someone runs IE a dialog box comes up and says, something like, yahoo was the default search engine, but now it's bing. Since no one uses this computer to search the web it has remained like that.

Re:And no one cared (2, Funny)

Peet42 (904274) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471802)

I've actually seen a (one) user with Bing as their home page.

I think I saw that on television! It was something like CSI, and I thought "that's the least realistic thing they've ever shown..."

Re:And no one cared (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472280)

my blackberry from verizon search suddenly changed to bing with no way to undo it. so i undid my blackberry.

Re:And no one cared (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472322)

I think something in Windows or Mozilla (in the case of Firefox) is causing it. My work machine ended up, without my intervention set to Bing as the search engine. I put it back and added Bing to my hosts file. Mysteriously Bing got removed from my hosts file but at least my search selection (Google) didn't go back to Bing again. This then happened on my home machine and it has happened to everyone else at work whether they use IE or Firefox.

The thing is most people end up typing Google's URL in or seraching for Google through Bing. So despite the fact they are too stupid to put it back they're still using Google.

Re:And no one cared (4, Informative)

Kakari (1818872) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473128)

Perhaps your IT department pushed IE7/8 with an automated installation script so that it 'just worked' rather than coming up with a post-install setup wizard. Firefox could then have grabbed your search engine default. If you muck with your hosts file Windows defender will flag it as a 'potential hosts file hijack' and, again depending on your IT department, may have set it to automatically clean it. Hope that helps with the mystery (or at least leads to new ones :) !

Re:And no one cared (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32472406)

Bing...oh yeah, now I remember. It's that IRRITATING popup thingy that appears sometimes when I forget to avoid rolling the mouse over highlighted words in the various articles I sometimes read online. Only from the mind of MS could they actually think of combining spam and a search engine and seriously expect people to think of it as a feature, and not an abomination.

Re:And no one cared (1)

Rolaulten (1392077) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473600)

Check out the greesemonky script 'Disable Text Ads' - it removes most (a few things get around it, if I remember right) of those fun hazards to mousing over the browser window.

Re:And no one cared (1)

Prof.PatPending (1603155) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472522)

I've found one thing that Bing does better than Google, image searches. I was trying to find a picture that someone in a forum had described (but couldn't find) and I tried looking for it with Google. No dice, a ton of unrelated stuff as usual. Then, just for the halibut, I tried Bing. Came up on the first page. After that I've tried it with various other image searches, and Bing always came through. For any other types of searching though, Google is usually better.

Re:And no one cared (1)

macbiv (1695966) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473004)

Thanks I'll have to keep that in mind. Google info. Bing Porn.

Bing image search... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473068)

Bing image search keeps loading more and more pics at the bottom, you just keep scrolling down. You never need to click to go to the "next page". It's great.

Re:And no one cared (1)

jcombel (1557059) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473078)

i did honestly try to switch to bing when it came out. i'm a fan of breaking up any monopoly by voting with my dollar and opinion.

but, yeah, the bing results were just too wacky. i'm sure there was a way to search that would probably produce the results i wanted, but it seems like google always thought how i did, when i would go looking for things. either that, or after all this time, i am trained to search on google to get the results i want.

Picking on an autistic kid (1, Funny)

synthesizerpatel (1210598) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471512)

I'm 35 years old, I've been fed up with Microsoft since about Windows XP SP2 although previously not much of a fan before that.

But at this point it's just like you guys are picking on the autistic kid.

We get it. Microsoft sucks. Give it back it's helmet.

Re:Picking on an autistic kid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471594)

an autistic kid with ten trillion dollars [dailykos.net]

Re:Picking on an autistic kid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471846)

hows the basement at your moms house mr 35 years old? /thanks for including your age, gummo.

Re:Picking on an autistic kid (3, Insightful)

grcumb (781340) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472140)

I'm 35 years old, I've been fed up with Microsoft since about Windows XP SP2 although previously not much of a fan before that.

But at this point it's just like you guys are picking on the autistic kid.

We get it. Microsoft sucks. Give it back it's helmet.

I don't know about the rest of the world, but I'll leave Microsoft alone when it starts leaving me alone.

Microsoft may be autistic, but that's not why we pick on it. We pick on it because it's also crazy and occasionally a little scary. But mostly we pick on it because we all know it's the crazy, scary autistic kid, but nobody else seems to see the problem in that.

Re:Picking on an autistic kid (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472334)

When they leave me alone then I'll leave them alone. I don't expect my non-MS browsers having their default search engine switched without my permission.

Re:Picking on an autistic kid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32473270)

But at this point it's just like you guys are picking on the autistic kid.

The autistic kid who is the playground bully.

We get it. Microsoft sucks. Give it back it's helmet.

Which will happen sometime after it stops swinging it's fists and people stop treating it like the gifted genius kid who's wisdom carries the town to greatness.

meh, they canceled it a long time ago (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32471518)

I signed up when I was going to buy a big LCD TV.

Got all the confirmation emails, or so I thought.

Signed onto Bing, "searched", bought the TV, never got the refund. Poked the seller to no avail. No way to poke Microsoft.

It was only about a $75 rebate. Still got a great price with free shipping, but I could have found that on Google too.

Damn. (1)

AMDinator (996330) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471524)

I made a little over $130 on this program since I always used it when I built computers for friends and family. Fortunately my new CC has rewards but Newegg isn't a member- I guess I'll take my business to Tiger Direct from now on.

I'm Sad (4, Funny)

LearnToSpell (694184) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471528)

They've given me just under a thousand bucks over the last year and a bit, including buying a Wii and an N900 (20% off each). It was easy to use, I didn't have any problems, and it's a shame they won't send me money to complete my shopping trips anymore, after I found what I needed with Google.

Re:I'm Sad (1)

Albanach (527650) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471664)

A bit of a 'meet too' reply, but I've also had a similar amount from them.

Can't say I'm surprised the program is ending, though I am disappointed. I'm still not sure how much Microsoft actually shelled out other than in admin costs, I suspect the promotions themselves may have been paid for by retaillers.

Re:I'm Sad (1)

misexistentialist (1537887) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472766)

Me too.

Re:I'm Sad (4, Insightful)

Etherized (1038092) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472130)

Indeed. This program is solely responsible for me ever using ebay. They say it's discontinued due to poor adoption, or some such thing; I think adoption was quite rapid amongst people looking to save money and get the absolute best prices possible. The problem is, as an advertiser, those are the people you're least interested in.

Cliche (4, Funny)

hilather (1079603) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471534)

Microsoft couldn't pay me to use bing. Literally.

bye bing (1)

ZeroNullVoid (886675) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471566)

I guess I have no incentive to use Bing anymore to get stuff I was going to get without the cashback....

It's a shame there have not been any ebay bing's greater than 8% in a while or I would use them more....

I never really understood their motivation behind cash-back, especially with many sites having a discounted price for non-bing users (scam, I know) but I did appreciate the ebay buy it now discounts....

MS has now removed the only motivation to use their service in my eyes.

Microsoft doesn't get advertizing (4, Insightful)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471640)

Almost all their recent TV ads are as lame as hell. I'm watching and thinking, "What the hell are they talking about? Is this Random Night?". Then they mention the name of the product, such as Bing or Windows 7.

In one ad, there's a guy sitting in a college class, then suddenly he's naked, then he's a caveman at a business meeting, then a naked caveman. WTF city. I seriously expected them to say, "Windows 7 and Bing will together help you locate better LSD".

Please go back to Gates and Seinfeld wiggling their asses together. At least I know which end I'm looking at.
       

Re:Microsoft doesn't get advertizing (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472340)

I liked the Seinfeld ads tbh. Not that they were really going to change my mind I didn't mind watching them.

Re:Microsoft doesn't get advertizing (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473120)

I haven't seen the ad you speak of (serious WTF city, if that's true), but I have seen a theme of several ads. This:

Almost all their recent TV ads are as lame as hell.

Does not hold true.

The ones I'm thinking of are the ones where they're basically 'hyping' Windows 7: "get things done faster" or some such tagline. They're basically selling the new 'Run' bar/dialog which is, IMO, the single best feature of W7. It really does as advertised, and the ads are good (largly because they're also educational to W7 users).

Re:Microsoft doesn't get advertizing (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 4 years ago | (#32474048)

I do not know this feature of which you speak, unless you are referring to something that was also in Vista.

It was a scam (5, Interesting)

rm999 (775449) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471668)

I and several other people I know used bing a lot for about a week in late 2008. At the time, Microsoft was literally offering 25-35% off any buy-it-now item on ebay (I'm pretty sure from their own pocket, no way they were making 25% off those purchases).

I bought a new car stereo, camera lens, laptop, and several gifts. I saved over 500 dollars. Then, like a month later, I saw a news release where Microsoft showed off that the number of Bing users had doubled or something over the holiday period. They probably used this to gain traction in advertising and increase their collaboration with companies like Apple.

They literally paid people to use bing over a month-long period to pad some statistics! I wonder if it was worth the 500 dollars they handed me.

Re:It was a scam (2, Informative)

inKubus (199753) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471788)

Google Checkout was giving cash discounts and free shipping for a while. It's nothing very new. But yeah, it didn't convince me to use Bing. Although I do use it on the iPhone, I find their maps are much more accurate than the built-in Google maps. Sometimes Google would put me miles away from where I was when using the location feature. I've used them on Blackberry also with AT&T and it sucked as well, so it could just be AT&T location services. But Bing has always worked, and it also has the voice query which is really very good, better than Google's as well. It just seems to know what I'm looking for whereas Google takes a few tries. But the app is dog slow ;) I wish I could go back to my Verzion, say what you will about VZW, their cell navigator is awesome.

Re:It was a scam (1)

pz (113803) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472300)

I look at Bing.com -- the main page -- almost every day. Once. The background images they put up are at worst good, usually excellent, and at times breath-taking. (The tool-tip factoids are dumb, though.)

Then I go to Google to actually get work done.

Re:It was a scam (2, Interesting)

clifyt (11768) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472688)

Of course it was a scam, Microsoft screwed more people out of money than anyone will ever know and any time someone complains on their forums too much, the message disappears. Or they claim the payment was paid and the comment is closed...and then the user is banned where they can't complain any more.

I've had a dozen purchases canceled.

I made certain to check prices with and without Bing. A lot of times, if you used Bing, the price was jacked up...if you looked at the price elsewhere with a second browser you'd get a better deal dollar to dollar. If you counted the cash back, it was still not that much better, but I'm all for delayed gratification even if it is only $5.

Sadly, more often than not, Microsoft would send notes saying that the purchase was not made correctly and the cash back would be canceled. They claimed a few times that the product was not really a cashback item...even when there was a banner advertisement FROM THE RETAILER on the side with the specific reward. Or they will say that the purchase never went through. OR just not respond at all.

Every time you'd go through proper channels, and they'd request information -- screenshots or otherwise -- it was always someone with a script. If you managed to get something escalated, the support person would ask for the same information the next time you asked, and if you said you sent it, they'd say that apparently the issue was closed since you didn't send it. or throw out a THE RETAILER DETERMINED IT WAS A 37B ISSUE (or something like that, of which the issue had NOTHING to do with the terms of service quoted).

I tried using this service, and for 2 months it looked like I was getting about $300 back...and I lost all but $20 of this about 60 days after the purchases. Long enough to keep using the system thinking I was getting something and ended up getting scammed...

Microsoft scammed too many people with this Bing...they knew their retailers were abusing this and went along with it to get users. I will never use their service regardless of how good it may every be. On some things it was better than google, but you couldn't pay me at this point to touch their shit...it just made me realize how bad I hated Microsoft in the past and realized they haven't changed...

Bing! Should just buy Flooz... (2, Funny)

Klinky (636952) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471768)

...after all that has become the defacto currency on the Internet... right? right?

Yeah, but the cashback was often your own money (4, Informative)

aklinux (1318095) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471910)

Those 35 disappointed users must have forgotten how several of the merchants that signed up to give the Bing discounts could afford to do so. Show up with a Bing cookie and the price went up. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/24/0112201/Bing-Cashback-Can-Cost-You-Money [slashdot.org]

Club Bing still around (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32471986)

There's still Club Bing. They give you points for playing word games (that do searches on words you enter). Those points can be traded in for prizes. Since I started playing I think in October I've earned a book, 2 dvds, a water bottle, a magellan car gps, and a stressball, with an electric shaver is on the way. I'm about to redeem points for a juicer and a toaster oven. I know a number of people get xbox 360 games and controllers and sell them.

Re:Club Bing still around (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472070)

I used to do that for 360 controllers, I logged in a little while ago to see what it was like, they had jacked up the point values of many things substantially. I know people traded ways to get points quicker, because if you did it their way it was practically a full-time job and a minimum wage one at that.

Re:Club Bing still around (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473508)

That's true. You definitely wouldn't want to quit your day job for it. I'd really only recommend it if you enjoy word games or typing anyway. I tend to do it when I need to unwind anyway. Even then, I often don't bother getting the max 1000 points per day if I get bored or have other things to do.

Nice while it lasted, but not surprising... (1)

John Pfeiffer (454131) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472020)

You had to imagine this was going to happen, everyone I knew was using Bing for the sole purpose of getting cashback. I'd search for something on Bing (The old standby was 'cheap ps3') and then follow the link to eBay and get xx% cashback on my BiN purchases. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

I don't know what that bob8766 guy way up above is talking about [slashdot.org] , I'm pretty sure he's either making that crap up or is just ignorant. Because I never saw anything like that from retailers (Also, that sounds like it'd be of fairly dubious legality!) and certainly not on eBay!

When I first tried it a couple years back, they had something ridiculous like 25% cashback on eBay, capped at $200 per purchase with a max of 3 purchases in like 90 days or something. So I got $200 cashback on my Cintiq 21UX, making it an even better deal. (Not as good a deal as the crazy scammer people who were doing stuff like buying 8 $100 bills 3 times and getting $600 free...)

This year, it was down to like 8% cashback on eBay and 1-5% on lots of big-name online stores, apparently without a cap on the number of qualifying purchases... So I offered to do all my family's tax refund shopping. :) Got something like $100 back on my little sister's new laptop and electric guitar, $80 back on my new DSLR, $40 back on my NEO-GEO arcade cabinet, and $80 back on the 8 1.5tb HDDs I got to start my new RAID array.

I actually got instant cashback on the HDDs, so that was nice, but I really liked suddenly having an extra couple hundred bucks two months later. :D

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. So long Bing, and thanks for all the free money!

What is Bing again? (1)

SaidinUnleashed (797936) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472168)

Google really can't tell me much about it, and it takes forever if I try to go there.

Cashback + ebay was serious savings (1)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472276)

I was saving 8% on all transactions and getting ebay rewards at the same time. I will miss it greatly.

Of Course They Did (1)

weston (16146) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472292)

Jump-starting the use of your service through a glorified referral program is a solid idea, but eventually, you want to be something more than that, particularly when it comes to search.

Just as unsustainable as Google cash back (2, Informative)

kriston (7886) | more than 4 years ago | (#32472446)

Just as unsustainable as Google cash back was back a few Christmas seasons ago, where I was awarded $20 for every purchase transaction for no apparent reason. I will enjoy my $280 and $320 dual-core, wide-screen laptops courtesy of Bing.com, too. *sniff*

I'm glad (1)

M3wThr33 (310489) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473044)

It seemed like 2/3 of the posts on bargain hunting sites were focused around using this to buy stuff, and it made shopping online a real chore to make sure it went through and to wait to get the money back later. There was always an immense guilt if you didn't use it and I spent too much time crunching numbers.

Bob and Bing have now retired. (1)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473090)

Actually, they are both dead, which is too bad. I loved their Road to Morocco. Needless to say, they both lived longer than Microsoft.

Using Microsoft (anything) is like...... (1)

dogzdik (1700552) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473368)

Using anything Microsoft is like using a cactus butt plug. According to Microsoft, it's great if it fits and too bad if it doesn't.

In the UK... (1)

DrScotsman (857078) | more than 4 years ago | (#32473640)

...we have many cashback sites that give you a cut of the money from you clicking their affiliate links, usually a percentage of the amount you spend. There are many of them so it's clearly a viable business model, and as a customer it's brilliant. I've got the impression that Bing worked differently and I've got the impression that in the US you don't have cashback sites like we do, am I correct?

Would NOW be a good time to remind people... (1)

TVmisGuided (151197) | more than 4 years ago | (#32474224)

...that in the Chinese, "bing" means poison?

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