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Canada's Largest Cities Seeing the End of the Phone Book

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the straight-to-the-pulping-machine dept.

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innocent_white_lamb writes "Telephone directories are available on the Internet, and many phones even store their own directories. There is less and less demand for a printed phone book, so residential phone books will no longer be printed and delivered in Canada's seven largest cities. Do we now expect everyone's grandma to look up phone numbers on the Internet? Of course, the Yellow Pages, where businesses pay for a listing, will still be delivered."

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Grandma's doesn't need to be yearly (4, Interesting)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481040)

Why get rid of it completely? It doesn't need to be a "every year or never again" type of thing. Why not say you'll put out one new one every other year for a few years, then one new one every 5 years for a while?

That wouldn't be better (5, Informative)

Rix (54095) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481122)

What they're doing now still lets grandma get one every year, she just has to ask for it. They're just not delivering on directly to everyone else's recycling box anymore.

Re:That wouldn't be better (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481294)

If only I had that option...

This year when we got the usual pallet of phone-books delivered to the building we out of spite built a little hut out of them using duct-tape :-p
Alas I did not have a functioning camera phone at the time or I would have posted pictures of our awesome construction...

(we did wait 2 weeks for people to get the book if they wanted it, we played with the leftovers :-p)

Re:That wouldn't be better (5, Funny)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481558)

I had to physically wrestle the phone book delivery guy to the ground and beat him senseless with my unwanted phonebook before he would take it back. I got a knock on my door from my neighbor the next morning saying they'd delivered two to his door. :shakes fist at phone book gods:

Re:That wouldn't be better (1)

Mistlefoot (636417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481606)

I laughed when I read this. I would guess they get paid by phone book delivered. Your 'refusal' would mean they would have to deliver and take it back (twice as much work for no pay).

But in all seriousness, my telephone provide (Shaw) here in Canada offers free 411. If my phone company decided NOT to provide me with a phone book AND STILL charged me for 411 calls I'm not sure I'd be happy. I'm guessing, however, that will be the norm - 411 calls are still chargeable with most phone providers here.

As it is, I cannot remember the last time I used a phone book to look up a number - excluding businesses. I think this is a good step.

Germany already has this (5, Informative)

drago (1334) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481376)

They're doing a similar kind of thing here in Germany for some years already, you only get a postcard telling you there's a new phonebook and yellowpages available and where to get it. If you want one, you can collect any number you need at the next post office, certain gas stations and in bigger cities at the central railroad station.

Re:Germany already has this (1)

kangsterizer (1698322) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481914)

i'm in germany, never asked for it yet i get the phonebook anyway =/
i also get a zillion adverts.. and ofc theres a trash next to the mailbox.. where all adverts of everyone go.
sometimes they just live the pile of ads still wrapped in plastic and ppl trash the whole thing

yay for environment.

Re:That wouldn't be better (1)

Walzmyn (913748) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481992)

Atlanta's been like this for years.
You can get paper or cd (with pdfs) by request but the default is to use the 'net.

Whats the point... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32482310)

They have reduced the font size so much that grandma needs a magnifying glass to read it... but it saved 10% on paper costs.

BTW, 411 automated speech systems and even the operators don't replace the ability of a person with a book to look up a number. The internet white pages and "fine a person" sites still don't provide the coverage of the phone book itself.

IMHO

Re:Grandma's doesn't need to be yearly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481254)

They're already doing that. The last time I saw a Vancouver directory, it was a 2008-2010 directory. Somewhere it said, if you want a 2009-2010 one, please call to have it delievered.

About time! (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481260)

I've been complaining to them about this by email - I don't want your stupid phone book, or your yellow pages!!!

They go into the recycling bin, unopen.

Why should my municipality have to pay to recycle that crap?

Re:About time! (2, Informative)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481628)

5 million trees are used to print the US phone book, the stuff costs a fortune and it has to go the way of the newspapers and dodos.

http://www.banthephonebook.org/ [banthephonebook.org]

Re:Grandma's doesn't need to be yearly (1)

stonewallred (1465497) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481746)

It is 2010. Is Canada delivering phone books to cell phone users? I have not had a land line since 2000, despite running two separate businesses. And I don't advertise, except for word of mouth or sometimes when I strike up conversations with folks in a line.

Re:Grandma's doesn't need to be yearly (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32482048)

In europe, nobody is using landlines anymore, but in U.S (and Canada?) where mobile networks are still pretty hard to reach at some areas and are unrealiable, it's very common to still use landlines. Only couple of years ago, it was said that only poor people give up land lines in U.S.

Re:Grandma's doesn't need to be yearly (1)

fluffernutter (1411889) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482384)

Plus my kids don't have celphones, many calls are for either myself OR my wife, whomever is there to answer. We have four wireless phone handsets around our home but only one celphone each. I really don't get how celphones only are supposed to work for a home with a family.

Re:Grandma's doesn't need to be yearly (1)

gmack (197796) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482422)

It has nothing to do with whether you have a phone or not. When I lived in an apartment in Montreal they would drop one phone book per apartment on the floor next to the mailboxes where they would sit for months.

And they weren't counting land lines.. I got one when I had no phone line at all.

Misleading summary. (5, Informative)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481062)

From TFA...

Yellow Pages Group Co. said last week that it would no longer deliver residential phone books in Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa-Gatineau, Montreal and Quebec City, except to customers who request them.

GNAA is forever (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481076)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [archive.org] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com] ' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org] .

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [archive.org] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Re:Misleading summary. (1)

Kitkoan (1719118) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481090)

From TFA...

Yellow Pages Group Co. said last week that it would no longer deliver residential phone books in Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa-Gatineau, Montreal and Quebec City, except to customers who request them.

Good luck with that though... big companies like this often outsource their call centers to places like India that use internet sites to locate you. And I've had issues with that and them just finding the completely wrong address (not to mention I now live on a really small street that just doesn't exist on a map...). Called Telus once to have my internet transfered to a new place and they said they'd send someone which they did... to an address a few blocks away... when I called up to complain about my internet still not hooked up they informed me they sent someone and we managed to figure out it was a few blocks away. They did get it right the second time though

Re:Misleading summary. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481110)

Some will instantly start yammering how it is "environmentalists" fault too.

Businesses are cutting delivery of everything that costs them money. Be it bank statements, or phone books. A phone book takes a few dollars to print and deliver. Why deliver phone books when that costs you 5% of your yearly profit from that customer?

Business directory will still be delivered because that's its *revenue model*. Businesses *pay* to be listed in these books. If they are not delivered to customers, then why would businesses pay to be included in them?

Re:Misleading summary. (2, Interesting)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481364)

Business directory will still be delivered because that's its *revenue model*. Businesses *pay* to be listed in these books. If they are not delivered to customers, then why would businesses pay to be included in them?

Not for long! i emailed them last year and told them that if they EVER deliver another yellow pages to my door, to contact the biggest advertisers and tell them why the Yellow Pages are useless, and why I won't be buying from them. Then I'll bug everyone I know to do the same. Maybe we'll set up a web site and put up a prize - a couple of hundred bucks and some other prizes for the person who contacts the most advertisers and tells them to shove their Yellow Pages ads.

I haven't used them in a decade. And I'm sure that older people don't use them because most of the smaller ads are too small for their eyes, whereas they can change the font size on-screen easily. Granny knows how to use a computer nowadays. It's not 1980 any more.

Die, Yellow Pages, Die.

Re:Misleading summary. (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481562)

The only thing I find the Yellow Pages good for anymore is pizza. When you're doing some late night hacking at the office, it's super easy to flip to the pizza section, find the information there with menus, prices, and delivery hours then call up the one you like. Yeah, I'm sure I could do that by using Google Maps and search nearby for pizza then scan the listings to find each individual website (if they have one) and locate the menu and so on, but what a hassle.

Re:Misleading summary. (3, Funny)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481666)

Couldn't you just write a small script to parse through Google results and return valid options for delivery? I mean, what the hell exactly are you doing during these late night hacking sessions? Working?!

PS: If you get caught working on a pizza-delivery filter, just claim it's a "development tool". Technicalities are fun! ;)

Re:Misleading summary. (1)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481946)

I just go to www.just-eat.be or www.pizza.be - something similar is bound to exist for your region, no ?

Re:Misleading summary. (1)

vlad30 (44644) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482340)

I'd expect any decent hacker to have the top delivery places memorised from the frequent use

Re:Misleading summary. (4, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482366)

When you're doing some late night hacking at the office, it's super easy to flip to the pizza section, find the information there with menus, prices, and delivery hours then call up the one you like

Wannabe. True hackers have their pizza place on speed-dial.

Re:Misleading summary. (2, Informative)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481394)

Same as here in Sweden.

Re:Misleading summary. (1)

ggeens (53767) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481702)

Belgium has an opt-out system. You can register on the site and then you won't receive any phone books anymore. (I just filled out the form, thanks to this article.)

I can't remember when I last used a full phone book: they're too large to find anything.

There is also a local business guide for each town. That one is small enough to be used, and it's useful whenever you need any service in your neighborhood (say, a plumber).

Re:Misleading summary. (1)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481954)

> Belgium has an opt-out system.

We do ? *goes looking*

Re:Misleading summary. (1)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481960)

Ahh, better still. Just found an article that says from 2011 the white pages will be opt-in only.

It's about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481536)

We haven't used our white or yellow phone books in years. I'm sure we're not alone.

Re:It's about time (2, Interesting)

dotgain (630123) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482354)

In New Zealand we use the printed Yellow Pages all the time, because the website sucks so much. First hit for 'cafe' in (my area) was a vineyard that was 42km away.

Re:Misleading summary. (1)

rikkards (98006) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481856)

Yeah and that is 8 cities not 7. Ottawa and Gatineau are separate since they are in two provinces. They may as well have said National Capital Region.

I wonder... (1)

Kitkoan (1719118) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481066)

This might be an interesting concept but what about the follow through? It mentions about online directories which might be fine and great for major cities but they are horrible for small towns (like the one I live in). I find it really hard if possible to find many of the local businesses from online information mainly because 1) I'm in a small town and so I'm guessing I don't count as a big enough market and 2) Small businesses are just that, small and often don't bother having an online presence. Now if companies like the Yellow Pages are going to put a solid effort in keeping their online site up to date then it might not be so bad. But I keep finding that they don't and small businesses are the ones that pay the penalty and the big ones just expect you to just use their sites 'store locater' so they don't care

Re:I wonder... (2, Informative)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481196)

But directory will be exactly the same, just not in paper form.

Re: Same (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481916)

It's not though.

I have seen some weird regional hybrid books with "selected" numbers. I can live with four complete phonebooks. Those "Selected" thingies are distracting.

But weren't the Telcos whining about 5 years ago "it's copyrighted"?

I'd LIKE a list in a parseable(sp?) format.

Re: Same (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482248)

The Portuguese "pages" don't offer an API, but they use Javascript as a templating language, so if you check the html, there's a nice JSON list with the results, all with nice tags.

Re:I wonder... (2, Interesting)

Reziac (43301) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481332)

Not only that, but increasingly you get crap results on the order of "FIND FIVE STAR HOTELS IN PODUNKVILLE" (population 12) -- the latest form of linkfarm, it seems.

I'd seen so much of this crap that I actually did not believe it when a motel listing came up for a town with a current population of (count them) 7 people... turns out for once it's real.

As to the "store locators" on chains' sites, about half the time they won't even speak to you if you ask for listings outside your immediate zipcode. Just gimme a damn sorted list and I'll find it myself; stop trying to be "helpful" by restricting what I'm show to what YOU think I'll want.

Do we? We do. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481074)

Do we now expect everyone's grandma to look up phone numbers on the Internet? Yes, of course. Why not?

Re:Do we? We do. (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481318)

Why do we act like grandma's are so stupid?

Really, with the way this summary reads, do we even believe grandma could read the phonebook?

What is easier: 1) typing someones name and having the results appear right away, or 2) flipping through the thousands of pages until you get to the right letter?

Older people and smudgy printing (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481436)

For grandma, the printed books are useless - she needs a magnifying glass to RTSFP (Read The Smudgy Fine Print).

We're all getting older.

Which is more effective?

  1. A Yellow Pages ad saying "Buy our cosmetics to look better", or
  2. An online ad saying "Buy our cosmetics or you'll look like this! [google.com]

12 advantages of the Internet over the Yellow Pages

  1. Blind people can use a screen reader.
  2. You can change the content in a few minutes, instead of every year.
  3. You can offer specials on a day-to-day, IP, or other basis
  4. You can add new content
  5. You can make it interactive
  6. Show what you're talking about in more detail [google.com]
  7. Color is free, instead of extra
  8. Sound - simply not possible with the Yellow Pages
  9. The user can make it bigger if their eyesight is bad
  10. You're only paying for the people who look at it - not everyone in the city, most of who will just throw it out.
  11. Metrics - you can count how many people saw it
  12. Feedback - people are more likely to send an email than make a phone call, wait on hold, etc. - especially at night, weekends, and holidays.

The Yellow Pages are as obsolete as that old ColecoVision.

Re:Older people and smudgy printing (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481450)

Advantage of the Yellow Pages over the internet

1. Sometimes you can't get a signal or connect and need a number.

2. Yellow pages don't crash.

Re:Older people and smudgy printing (1)

quadrox (1174915) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481726)

Then offer a download of the directory, so paranoid users like you (nothing wrong with that - I just wouldn't bother) can download a copy for those emergencies.

Ok, so the power might be gone or your computer is crashed - but should we really waste a whole lot of paper, ink and money on printing information that is 99.9% useless to most people? Just go to your neighbour/whoever and get help there.

Maybe we can even keep a dead-tree version at the local library or something like that. But don't send me your stupid phone books, I don't know what to do with them.

Re:Older people and smudgy printing (2, Insightful)

jimicus (737525) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482086)

12 Disadvantages of an Internet connected PC over a Traditional Phone Book for your Grandma:

1. The phone book doesn't require power.
    a. This has other advantages beyond the obvious "save the electricity bill". Nobody in history has ever tripped over the phone book's power cable.
2. The phone book can't crash.
3. It's vanishingly unlikely that the normal, day-to-day use of the phone book will result in some scrote in Russia gaining access to her phone book. And even if it did, the only information in there is publicly available anyway.
4. The phone book doesn't take 2 minutes to start up.
5. The phone book doesn't occasionally - and for no reason that is apparent to your gran - pop up unintelligible messages.
6. It's very familiar technology.
7. It's easy for your gran to tell the difference between an advert and a normal listing in the phone book.
8. Why does gran care that some random stranger knows what numbers she's looking up? Hell, it's quite likely she strongly dislikes the idea.
9. Making the text bigger can be accomplished using this amazing piece of technology called a magnifying glass. It's intuitive, it doesn't require significant training to learn and you don't have to memorise some obscure key combination to make it happen.
10. The phone book doesn't add £15/month to your phone bill. (No idea how much a basic DSL service would cost in the US)
11. If you're not quite sure of the spelling of someone's name but know the first few letters are correct it's fairly easy to find what you're looking for in the phone book. I've yet to see an internet-based telephone directory which allows you to browse based on the first few letters (though I'm happy to be proven wrong).
12. I've never yet seen a telephone book that required a friendly neighbour to perform routine maintenance - nor a phone book which never quite worked properly after it transpired that the friendly neighbour didn't know as much as they claimed.

(To be fair, most of these arguments are probably more applicable to a generation that is rapidly becoming great-grandmothers and dying out, not necessarily in that order).

Re:Older people and smudgy printing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32482466)

You are an idiot, just FYI.

Re:Do we? We do. (1)

shaitand (626655) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481642)

Because we all have them and know their technical capabilities. Grandmas have enough trouble using the phone, let alone handling tasks like left click and right click, understanding a web browser, the internet etc.

I've met some older women have no trouble with any of these things. I haven't met an 80yr old power user yet but I've met 70 yr olds who can browse alongside their grandchildren. Sadly, in the real world this is the exception and not the norm.

It isn't really about intellect. The elderly are afraid of change and for them digital interaction is change.

Re:Do we? We do. (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482126)

No, for the FEW they need they can fucking call Information.
BTW if they are too old to use a PC they probably can't read the phone book.

I'm old, I adapted, so can they.
It's cruel not to wean people, and if you don't, more people latch onto the same teat.

It seems the trend is more general (3, Informative)

bain_online (580036) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481078)

I over heard in the local telecom office here in Pune, India there will be no more printed directory here either. The last one we got is three years old.
BTW the directories in Indian cities were distributed only by the Monopoly telecom BSNL and its Big cities cousin MTNL. With rise of private players in wired as well as the exploded mobile segment in India, the directories were not much of the use anyway. This just puts the death nail in them.

I used to get obnoxious quantities of phone books. (5, Informative)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481080)

At my last rent house local telco's were in competition with each other to have the "defacto" phone book. When stacked together the phone books I got in a 1 year period were 2 ft tall. The phone companies kept trying to 1 up each other. I never actually used one of them - except one of them had a nice local map tucked in the front. I pulled it out, circled where I lived for someone who was going to visit later and handed it over.

Why should I have to pay for trash pickup if they do free trash delivery?

Re:I used to get obnoxious quantities of phone boo (1)

richmatchmaking.com (1827680) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481400)

You are right!

4 or so, so far this year. (1)

Shag (3737) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481634)

I have "naked DSL" with no dialtone at my house, so of course I get:
1. The telephone company's official phone book (which isn't actually produced by the telephone company, and hasn't been for years, and is so full of errors that the telephone company is forced to send a letter-to-the-editor of the local paper explaining that it's not their fault)
2. The paperback-sized one that's just for my side of the county, also from the telephone company.
3. Some unofficial book from some other publisher
4. Another copy of the same unofficial book stuffed into my tiny post office box.

And the office gets some huge number of all of the above, and an email goes out to everyone saying "new phone books are here! come get one if you want, and please put your old one in the next pile over for recycling."

So... I have been taking my old phone books and the new phone books to work, and putting them in the pile for recycling. Sure, it makes my bike heavier on the uphill commute to work, but hey, burn more calories, get rid of phone books, it's a win-win. :)

Re:4 or so, so far this year. (1)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481766)

I tried to get "naked DSL" there. Verizon claimed repeatedly I wasn't in a DSL coverage area, despite my land lady having access at that house before she moved out. I finally ordered a phone line, then about a month later asked for DSL. What do you know! I was in a DSL area! Of course every time it rained the DSL went up and down for about a day - then Hurricane Ike hit. That was the end of that.

People still use land lines? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481082)

I'm under 30 and the only people I know with a landline (who would be listed in the phone book) are my parents and other older relatives. What exactly is the use case for the white pages anyway? You meet somebody, know their name but not their number, so you look it up and call them? Seems a little stalker-like to me... I usually ask for the number first.

Re:People still use land lines? (3, Interesting)

Ron Bennett (14590) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481182)

Exactly. Cell phone numbers often aren't listed in phone directories. To make matters worse, many people frequently change cell phone numbers, especially those with pre-paid phones; when the service expires so does the phone number (even if it was "ported", which comes as a nasty surprise for some).

Ron

Re:People still use land lines? (1)

shaitand (626655) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481656)

It costs money to receive a cell call. If I want you to have my phone number, I'll give it to you.

I think published directories should be an opt-in service.

Re:People still use land lines? (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482326)

It costs money to receive a cell call

Only in the USA. Pretty much everywhere else in the world, it costs money to make a call, doesn't to receive it. Mobile phone numbers have their own prefix (rather than a geographic one, which doesn't make sense for a phone that can work anywhere in the world), so you know that it will be billed as a call to a mobile, rather than a call to a landline.

Most mobile phone companies charge the same amount for calls to mobiles as for calls to landlines, and make calls to their own network cheaper than calls to landlines, so it's often less expensive to call a mobile from a mobile than from a landline. In addition, for low-volume users, you can get a mobile with no fixed monthly fee. The amount I spend on calls with my mobile is less than half of the line rental for a landline (which doesn't include any calls).

Re:People still use land lines? (1)

vlad30 (44644) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482440)

It costs money to receive a cell call. If I want you to have my phone number, I'll give it to you.

Do you pay to receive you mail as well, I thought that went out in the 1800's

Re:People still use land lines? (4, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481348)

I'm over 50, and the damned phone books haven't been much use for several years anyway. When Ma Bell and AT&T were the only people who published phone books, I could navigate them quickly and easily. Then half a dozen different companies started publishing them, all in slightly different formats. Then, a separate book for the yellow pages became the norm, meaning I had to keep up with yet another phone book. Then, each publisher decided that I really wanted to see a different set of cities listed in my directory, "helpfully" eliminating listings from cities or towns that routinely did business in.

I have relied on online directories for at least 5 years now, because the physical phone book is worthless!

Re:People still use land lines? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481508)

You meet somebody, know their name but not their number, so you look it up and call them? Seems a little stalker-like to me... I usually ask for the number first.

Uh, to look up the name of a local business you know that you want to call for an inquiry but don't know their number? There's also nothing 'stalker-like' about looking up the number of a person you probably have not met, like for returning their lost property (wallet or whatever) or runaway pets to them or many other scenarios like this. There'd be no way for you to otherwise ask them for their number. How did you deal with these situations without using any kind of white pages, printed or online?

Also landlines will always work in case of power outage (good luck if your cell phone battery dies), are cheaper (cell phone plans in Canada are still ripoffs), and will not have issues routing calls to long distance numbers, which I have had happen to my on my cellphone in the past. It's always good to have both.

Grandma's Future (2, Interesting)

Tauto (1742564) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481092)

"Do we now expect everyone's grandma to look up phone numbers on the Internet? " Actually, yes. It goes something like this: Grandma calls her favorite grandson; Grandma: Hey Dick, this is your grandma. Can you look up a number for me? Grandson: Sure, Grandma. What d'ya need? Oh, by the way, I can also bring you my old computer. That way you not only save a tree, but help me recycle my old hardware. Can you see where we're going yet?

Re:Grandma's Future (2, Funny)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481300)

Get Grandma an iPad with a white pages app. That way she'll thank you for not being a cheap fuck trying to pawn off your 3rd rate, 10 year old massive desktop computer with a 50 ton CRT she can't hope to move without a crane on her while indoctrinating her in the ways of Linux as if she cared or understood and she might actually leave you in her will.

Re:Grandma's Future (2, Insightful)

shaitand (626655) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481676)

And stick grandma with the new third world AT&T data plans? I love my grandma you insensitive clod.

Re:Grandma's Future (5, Insightful)

thoughtspace (1444717) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481378)

And Grandma will correctly reply:
"Why do I have to wait 1 minute for this thing to start to get one phone number?"
"Why are you still here hours later setting this up?"
"WTF is all this other stuff"
"How long do I have to wait for the internet thing to be connected to my house?"
"Why couldn't you just solve the problem and look up the number in the first place?"
"F%$k off Dick, I'll just call Aunt June to get the number."

Re:Grandma's Future (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482162)

She could also call the operator for information, which predated print phone books.

This avoids diggin' under the pile of Depends for the phone book. (I'm old, so I can crack on old fuckers. They'll get over it.)

Re:Grandma's Future (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481412)

My grandparents are all dead. So what now?

Re:Grandma's Future (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481540)

Well if they are dead and are still receiving a printed telephone book that they will eventually come to miss, you might want to get a second opinion on that "dead" diagnosis, or else stock up on garlic(if you can find a provider, they aren't in the phone book anymore!)

Re:Grandma's Future (1)

Tauto (1742564) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481546)

How could this apply, if they're dead? But, if there is a void in you life, consider a senior citizen center in your neighborhood. ...and adoption.

Re:Grandma's Future (3, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481570)

My grandparents are all dead. So what now?

Look up your local necromancer in the Yellow Pages?

Re:Grandma's Future (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481970)

Now you can stop worrying about their telecommunications needs.

The next week... (1)

Shrike82 (1471633) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481862)

"Hi Dick, it's your Grandma. Cann you look up a number for me? Yes I know you gave me that computer-ma-jig to do it for me, but that's the problem you see. It broke and I need the number for a repair man"

I don't know about you guys, (1)

arcite (661011) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481094)

But the first thing I do when I need to email someone is dust off and flip open the big ten pound thousand page tissue-paper thin book and start flipping!

Re:I don't know about you guys, (1)

shaitand (626655) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481686)

Agreed those city sized directories make no sense. In small towns of 50k pop or less there is still a use for phone books.

Futon Support (2, Funny)

scout-247 (1127737) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481100)

I am currently using mine to support my futon, the middle leg snapped, and the support bar is bent so this book sits below to prevent the bar from bending further.

Re:Futon Support (1)

lordharsha (1101875) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481402)

Thanks for the idea. I have a similar problem and I've been debating whether to buy a new bed. This is a much better.

Re:Futon Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481576)

Hmmm why didn't I think of that. I was using my old Sparcstation LX until I went and got a new bed.

All that wasted paper (1)

enoz (1181117) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481150)

I only see the "phonebook" sized directories used to prop open doors or as monitor stands.

OTOH the "paperback" sized directories are useful for carrying in cars or keeping on a handy shelf.

The new phone book's here! (4, Funny)

PatPending (953482) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481174)

Dang. I'm gonna miss this annual event:

Navin R. Johnson: The new phone book's here! The new phone book's here!

Harry Hartounian: Boy, I wish I could get that excited about nothing.

Navin R. Johnson: Nothing? Are you kidding? Page 73 - Johnson, Navin R.! I'm somebody now! Millions of people look at this book everyday! This is the kind of spontaneous publicity - your name in print - that makes people. I'm in print! Things are going to start happening to me now.

[the Sniper points to Navin's name in the phone book]

Sniper: Johnson, Navin R... sounds like a typical bastard.

Re:The new phone book's here! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481962)

Navin R. Johnson: Nothing? Are you kidding? Page 73 - Johnson, Navin R.! I'm somebody now! Millions of people look at this book everyday! This is the kind of spontaneous publicity - your name in print - that makes people. I'm in print! Things are going to start happening to me now.

Of course, just see how things picked up for all the people with "Connor, J." in the book.

What will I use for kindling in my woodstove? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481198)

What will I use for kindling in my woodstove?
A few Yellow Pages (we get ~3 per year) last me all winter for kindling in the woodstove. A few pages twisted up, work very nicely.

Do we now expect everyone's grandma to look... (1, Troll)

Tanuki64 (989726) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481226)

...up phone numbers on the Internet? Of course. Everyone's grandma is knowledgeable enough to be asked when it comes to internet legislation. Want to introduce new sorts of internet censorship? New data retention laws? Do a poll in some home for old people. Result? 90% 'of course we need to regulate the evil internet'. So I expect everyone's grandma to be able to look up numbers on the internet.

Re:Do we now expect everyone's grandma to look... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481284)

Everyone's grandma is knowledgeable enough to be asked when it comes to internet legislation. Want to introduce new sorts of internet censorship? New data retention laws? Do a poll in some home for old people. Result? 90% 'of course we need to regulate the evil internet'.

Ugh. Do you really think like this? Please get out and talk to people, even old people. It'll do you good. They're like us except they've been around longer. Seriously, your post is probably the most disturbing thing I've ever read on Slashdot. If it was a troll then well done but if not then ugh.

You make a good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481696)

point.

Re:Do we now expect everyone's grandma to look... (1)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482214)

...up phone numbers on the Internet?

Of course. Everyone's grandma is knowledgeable enough to be asked when it comes to internet legislation. Want to introduce new sorts of internet censorship? New data retention laws? Do a poll in some home for old people. Result? 90% 'of course we need to regulate the evil internet'.

So I expect everyone's grandma to be able to look up numbers on the internet.

Okay, even if we didn't bother to read the fine article and find out that anyone who wants one can simply request one...

Ask yourself how often septuagenarians and up need to look up new numbers. Their friends and family are either static or capable of telling Grandma when their numbers change. A little cheat-sheet beside the phone suffices nicely. The commercial Yellow pages are still being printed and delivered as they're paid for by advertisement. Even if that wasn't the case, again, how often does someone elderly need or even want to look up something new to call? Once they've got a cheat-sheet of their favorite plumber, roofer, landscaper, pest removal expert, pizza place, TV repair guy, they're pretty much set for life... such as it is.

It's the young who are more likely to develop sudden needs for commercial contacts they've never had before. "Holy crap, my roof is leaking. I guess I need to find a roofer." Two text messages later they've got a reference from a friend AND a number.

One book per phone line :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481234)

I think it will be a very nice thing to stop receiving phonebook at home/office. It a waste of paper. At office, we have 18 lines, so we receive a phonebook per line. I remember few years ago, I had 100 analog lines (for an ISP) and receive 100 phonebook... excellent to start a fire.

Directory Assistance... (0)

Kr3m3Puff (413047) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481314)

Grandma can use that, once a year. The print is too small anyways for her. Of course she actually thinks there is a lady in her phone who answers her calls and gives her messages anyways. (Actually true about the lady in the phone and my Gran, I won't even try to explain about her and ATMs)

Re:Directory Assistance... (2, Insightful)

shaitand (626655) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481712)

"(Actually true about the lady in the phone and my Gran, I won't even try to explain about her and ATMs)"

Either that or you are gullible and she likes to fuck with you.

I've known quite a few older people. They all play the old card and pretend to forget things or that they don't know how to do things to get other to do them. If they don't like the current conversation they will inject a whole new conversation or pretend they can't hear and people dismiss it as senile old grandma.

California tried this but the telco's blocked it (2, Informative)

vilain (127070) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481392)

A state legislator introduced a bill to require telcos to change "receives a phone book" from "yes" to "must request it". By the time it came up for a vote, some of those who'd previously supported the bill now were against it--even one of the bill's authors. Yellow Pages advertising is big business here in the US. Regional telcos are grabbing at anything they can to "monetize" and the ad revenue in phone books was a cash cow. I get a "real" phone book published by the telco and one that's purely ad driven that I toss into recycling straightaway. Once the Greens start slapping these senators at the ballot box, stuff like the phone book "opt-in" thing is going to have to go from city to city. Palo Alto and some neighboring cities have already banned plastic grocery bags, styrofoam cups, and containers. Telling the local phone company that they have to ask each of their Palo Alto customers if they want a phone book is just another issue. Unfortunately, yelling at a city councilman at a council meeting for caving to a lobbyist is easier than at a state senator at a local town hall meeting. And it gets more press.

i mean, really, who the fuck cares? (1)

upyourshomo (1803732) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481422)

I guess the real question is... does anyone fucking care about Canada, let alone their phone books?

Can't justify cutting down old growth forests (0)

presidenteloco (659168) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481440)

to make telephone books (or newspapers for that matter),
now that we have the perfectly good Interweb (and ipads).

Ring Ring... Pick up the clue phone (4, Insightful)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481612)

Do we now expect everyone's grandma to look up phone numbers on the Internet?

Of course not, they expect them to call 411 and find out the number for $1.45 per request, rather than look it up in the phone book for free. It's what the pointy-haired phone company execs would call "monetizing informational resources". Yeah, there are free 411 services like Google's but many people don't even realize these services exist.

Re:Ring Ring... Pick up the clue phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481732)

Or they could simply call their (grand)son/daughter and simply ask them for a favor. Not everyone out there is a complete cold-hearted dick when it comes to their elders.

Re:Ring Ring... Pick up the clue phone (2, Funny)

fyoder (857358) | more than 4 years ago | (#32481874)

Not everyone out there is a complete cold-hearted dick when it comes to their elders

Especially when there's a chance one might be remembered in their will.

Re:Ring Ring... Pick up the clue phone (1)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482246)

Wow, what a quandary. Let's see. I'm the guy in charge of the company that's going to print a Yellow Pages and send it to every house. I've decided to no longer send a White Pages to every house, but I want people to be able to contact me to ask for one.

What to do?

Um... I could... maybe print the number on the front of the Yellow Pages?

Just a thought.

Been like this for years in Norway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481658)

It's been like this in Norway for years.

Cage liner (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32481990)

For years now, the shredded White Pages have lined my Royal Python's tank and the Yellow Pages weighted down the lid. How dare they take away my free pet accessories!

How to request the new one? (1)

jmac_the_man (1612215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482118)

Apparently the phone company will still send you a printed phone book if you call them and ask, How are the people without Internet, and now, without a phone book, supposed to find out what their number is?

For that matter (1)

smchris (464899) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482154)

Since I usually use the back door, and the front door is for taking out the trash, the last Yellow Pages I got never made it out of its plastic.

By all means, print a few white pages and give grandma the comfort on request but I've been wondering about this for years.

Ban Sunglasses, Oakley Sunglasses (0, Offtopic)

Corrinla (1827876) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482276)

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Free booster seat and threat to the family unit. (1)

Anti Cheat (1749344) | more than 4 years ago | (#32482314)

The Phone Books for generations, have traditionally been the best booster seat ever invented for family get togethers around the dinner table. What will I do now for the Grand-kids to have them feel included at these important social gatherings. This is yet another threat to the stability of the family unit. :)

Canada behind the times (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32482446)

ATT has been doing this in large cities a year or two ago.

In fact, where I live, ATT has announced that, since it received so few requests for directories, it will stop printing them altogether. (Never mind that the automated phone number where you were supposed to call to request printed directories was broken.)

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