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Activists Worry About a New "Green Dam" In Vietnam

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the one-dam-project-after-another dept.

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alphadogg writes "Human rights activists are worried that new software mandated by Vietnamese authorities may lead to an Internet clampdown in the country's largest city. In April, local officials issued new regulations covering Internet cafes and service providers in Hanoi, ostensibly designed to crack down on hacking and other service abuses. Buried in the regulations is a mandate that service providers must add special software to their domain servers, used to authenticate systems on the network. Nobody quite knows what the software is, but activists in the US worry that it may be used to clamp down on Internet usage in a country that has seen more and more grassroots information-sharing on social networks over the past year. Last year China tried to force PC makers to ship Green Dam censorware with all computers sold in the country, saying the software would help crack down on online pornography. But Chinese authorities — already known for their notorious Great Firewall — eventually backed off from their plans after critics raised a host of privacy, security and system stability concerns, and Chinese Internet users showed no interest in installing the program."

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Jump to conclusions? (3, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32488918)

Since nobody knows what the software does, and a copy hasn't been released yet to be installed, anything said about it is pure speculation. "Internet Service Retailers Management Software" could be just about anything.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (5, Insightful)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#32488950)

Yes, because perfectly innocuous software needs a legal mandate requiring universal adoption.

People are drawing conclusions from what is known.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32488998)

Yes, because perfectly innocuous software needs a legal mandate requiring universal adoption.

Universal adoption? It applies to ISPs, not every computer in the country. It could be something to impliment a HIPPA-like data retention and protection plan, or to secure financial data, or provide more robust encryption between DNS servers to thwart hijacking attempts. Or it could be a complete spy package.

It's never good to make assumptions -- you have to work with what you know. The moment you step away from that, you're in the land of conspiracy theories and what-if logic.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (3, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489038)

It's never good to make assumptions -- you have to work with what you know. The moment you step away from that, you're in the land of conspiracy theories and what-if logic.

True. I'm sure that secret software mandated by a communist government to be installed at their ISP is entirely in the best interests of their population.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (4, Informative)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489226)

We need a +1 Sarcastic mod.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

iammani (1392285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489250)

What does communism have to with this?

Re:Jump to conclusions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32489274)

Erm, because that is the government in Vietnam today?

Re:Jump to conclusions? (3, Insightful)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489336)

What does communism have to with this?

Crack a book some time. The fact that communist countries have the worst track record in oppressing religion and free expression isn't new, or even controversial. As fucked up as the laws are in the USA and Europe, they don't even compare to the restrictions that the former USSR, China, Vietnam, North Korea and Cuba have instituted over the years.

Go ahead, pick any communist country, and show us how they are less oppressive than the US, Australia or any EU country. I won't hold my breath.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (0, Offtopic)

iammani (1392285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489448)

And there no other oppressive regimes other than communist ones? If there others, then the adjective you are looking for is "oppressive" (or dictatorship or fascist) and not "communist".

Re:Jump to conclusions? (3, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489550)

And there no other oppressive regimes other than communist ones?

No, but pretty much all the communist ones have been oppressive, so one might be correct in assuming all existing communist regimes are oppressive regimes.

And if that is the case, its better to be accurate as opposed to ambiguous - since not all Oppressive regimes are communist, calling a communist regime an oppressive regime when it is a communist regime (which implies oppressive) would be silly.

Following along?

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489566)

I think the point is this: can you name ONE communist country that ISN'T oppressive? No? Ok. Is the country we are discussing a communist country. Yes? Ok.

So to assume that a communist country is oppressive isn't exactly assuming. It doesn't say that all non-communist countries are perfect. You can quit defending communism now. Of all the possible evils, the vast majority here will agree that it tops the list.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (2, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490174)

Cyprus

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 4 years ago | (#32496878)

Not communist, although definitely socialist. It has a market economy and legislators elected by popular vote.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

the_womble (580291) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492916)

Communist states within democratic federations have not necessarily been oppressive - e.g. the Indian state of Kerala, which was rather well run by communists.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32489252)

I'll ask the obvious question you're aiming at :

Hey "democrats" ! Why don't countries that the US "imperialist" military abandons (like North Korea and Vietnam) become free worker's paradises ?

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489574)

They did! Just ask their Great Leader.

How's it any different from the US government? (1)

copponex (13876) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489600)

True. I'm sure that secret software mandated by a communist government to be installed at their ISP is entirely in the best interests of their population.

Cisco's Backdoor for Hackers [forbes.com]
Cisco isn't actually the primary target of Cross' critique. He points out that all networking companies are legally required to build lawful intercepts into their equipment.

You can proceed with whatever rambling rationalization your reality demands.

Re:How's it any different from the US government? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489744)

It's for the children!

Err... Pedophiles! Rapists! uhhh....

Cyber Defense! ... Yeah!

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

element-o.p. (939033) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489572)

Hey, scream "Conspiracy Theory!!!" long enough, and sooner or later, you are *bound* to be right!

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489760)

The only reason that logic holds true is because whenever someone comes up with a conspiracy theory its often so well thought out that the conspirators have to try it.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

element-o.p. (939033) | more than 4 years ago | (#32497352)

Sweet! :)

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

molnarcs (675885) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492634)

Yes, because perfectly innocuous software needs a legal mandate requiring universal adoption.

People are drawing conclusions from what is known.

Disclaimer: I've been living in Vietnam for over 2 years. I see your point, but I agree with the GP - Vietnam is far less restrictive in almost everything than China. Yes, there is censorship in the media, specifically you can't demand democracy or change in the form of government and you can't write anything bad about Ho Chi Minh. On the other hand, there is also considerable freedom to criticize government decisions, even in Thanh Nien (The Youth) daily newspaper (the most popular newspaper) in the country. I haven't run into any censored website either, I mean from BBC online to Amnesty International, everything is accessible. Hell, you can watch BBC in your home, it's part of most cable packages (now that's VERY different from China).

Facebook is unofficially banned. Well, it won't resolve through the DNS assigned by my ISP, but the government denies that it has anything to do with it. And the Vietnamese couldn't care less actually, the number of users grow daily. Everyone I know is on facebook around here :) They even write about facebook in the newspapers when comparing to other social networking sites. And some suspect that this ban is not really political, but economical. There is a company the government owns some stakes in that tries to start up its own social networking site, and I believe it is their "lobbying" effort that resulted in the ban, ie they might have payed some huge bribes to some officials... but corruption is an entirely different matter here... But everything else, twitter, google, etc. is free.

So to sum up, Vietnam's government is far less paranoid than China's, and people around here enjoy more freedom than in any other communist country I know about.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489004)

Yeah because we all know that government-mandated software is always a good thing. It is -never- a good thing. Ever.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (2, Informative)

D H NG (779318) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489116)

Considering that this government already attacked critical websites [mcafee.com] using a DDOS attack, it's not out of the question for them to attempt something like Green Dam.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

ronocdh (906309) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489122)

"Internet Service Retailers Management Software" could be just about anything.

I don't know what about "could be just about anything" isn't frightening to you when it refers to software that the government mandates be put on your computer.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489168)

That's like saying Duke Nukem Forever was never released or installed, and anything said about it is pure speculation. It could have been a game, or it could have been a typing tutor. It could have been Tax-Revenue Software. It could have been a batch file that filled your hard drive with LOLCats. It could have been a script to shutdown your computer.

What I'm saying is: Don't be ridiculous. This "pure speculation" has as much of a concrete idea behind it as one would assume that Portal 2 is going to be a video game.

Re:Jump to conclusions? (1)

metrometro (1092237) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489778)

Context matters.

"Vietnam unfortunately boasts some of the world's most explicit restrictions on freedom of speech and freedom of expression, and the arrests of bloggers have provided a chilling reminder to those who choose to speak out against the government that they put themselves at personal risk. Independent media is virtually non-existent, with all media outlets being state-run. To even register a new media outlet requires purchasing the right to obtain a license from an existing state-run organ, a dubious gray market few in Vietnam discuss. "

Source: http://report.globalintegrity.org/Vietnam [globalintegrity.org]

Laissez Faire Vietnam (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489890)

For one thing, Vietnam isn't China. Vietnam fought China after it defeated the US (which was after it defeated France), and beat China back out of its borders, too.

For another thing, Vietnam's government is a very hands-off government. If anything the main problem for Vietnamese people is their government's failure to lead and protect them from people with private power. For all its styling itself a "Communist" government, Vietnam's actual government is quite far in practice from anything like the totalitarian control that is essential to orthodox Communism.

I don't find this story's inferences about Chinese(-style) spyware credible. I'd bet the regulation is just some placeholder for something nobody has, or even knows what it is. And it's more likely to be some kind of crony app that gets mandated so some bureaucrat's family makes money. Which would make it just as much like the US as like China.

Re:Laissez Faire Vietnam (1)

metrometro (1092237) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489942)

>Vietnam's government is a very hands-off government. If anything the main problem for Vietnamese people is their government's failure to > lead and protect them from people with private power.

Not quite. They are the same people. State and money are merged.

http://report.globalintegrity.org/Vietnam [globalintegrity.org]

http://report.globalintegrity.org/Vietnam/2009/scorecard/7/ [globalintegrity.org]

Re:Laissez Faire Vietnam (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490006)

"Not quite"? In fact I think that you just agreed with exactly what I said.

Re:Laissez Faire Vietnam (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492174)

Vietnam fought China after it defeated the US

I do hope you understand that the only place that Vietnam "defeated" the US was at the conference table. They never, not even once, defeated us on the ground. Even when they sent 150,000 men across the boarder in The Eastertide Offensive, [wikipedia.org] US forces drove them back, smashing all of their armor and mechanized transport and sending the 50,000 survivors stumbling home on foot. I know; I was in Tonkin Gulf at the time, and my ship's shore bombardment was part of what crushed them.

The idea that the NVA and/or the Viet Cong defeated the US is a myth invented by the anti-war movement in an attempt to justify their cowardly, almost treasonous actions.

Re:Laissez Faire Vietnam (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493166)

This is correct. The Vietnam War ended for the United States when the US and North Vietnam agreed to a cease-fire peace treaty and the US withdrew. Then following the US Congress ending military assistance to the South, North Vietnam invaded and wrecked the South's resistance.

There was never a US military defeat in the Vietnam War, not even the popularized "defeat" during the Tet Offensive of 1968 were the US or ARVN defeated.

The 1972-73 ceasefire and peace treaty happened because the United States bombed the crap out of the North during Linebacker II.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linebacker_II [wikipedia.org]

Re:Laissez Faire Vietnam (0, Flamebait)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32495240)

I do hope you realize that wars are won or lost when one side surrenders. Which is what the US did. Many years after we should have left that country to its own civil war.

Thank you for demonstrating just why the Vietnam War was such a fiasco: even 40 years later, you're still fighting it, after we lost it. You think the killing was "the good part", and that the people who got you out of there were "almost treasonous". You and your war did more to undermine this country than practically anything ever done by it, up to its repeat performance in Iraq. The people who insist on fighting those wars for corporate crony war profiteers are the traitors.

Congratulations, you're an ancient stereotype.

Hanoi not biggest (3, Informative)

D H NG (779318) | more than 4 years ago | (#32488992)

Hanoi may be the capital but it's not the most populous city, not even by a long shot. It recently gobbled up a nearby province but it's still smaller than Saigon, now officially Ho Chi Minh City.

Re:Hanoi not biggest (1)

_merlin (160982) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489842)

Sorry to nitpick, but to be precise, Sài Gòn only refers to the central districts (depending on who you ask, they may say just district 1, or districts 1 to 4). The correct name for the greater city is Thành ph H Chí Minh. Hà Ni is definitely larger than Sài Gòn.

Re:Hanoi not biggest (1)

_merlin (160982) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489866)

Damn Slashcode ate up three vowels with tone marks. Oh well - you'll have to fill in the gaps.

Re:Hanoi not biggest (1)

D H NG (779318) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490208)

Ask any Vietnamese what they mean when they say "Saigon", and I can tell you that they'll tell you they mean the city now renamed to HCMC. The pedantic meaning of Saigon is only used by bureaucrats.

Re:Hanoi not biggest (1)

_merlin (160982) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490462)

I've lived in TPHCM district 7 and my wife is Viet. People will often refer to the greater city as Sai Gon, particularly older people. However, if you ask them straight up what the difference is, they will tell you, and when writing (or typing) most younger people will use the abbreviation "TPHCM" to refer to the greater city.

Re:Hanoi not biggest (1)

TheDugong (701481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490786)

Pedant.

If a non-Australian asks me where I live I will say Sydney. If I am referring to Sydney it could also mean just "The City" or "The CBD", or the entire metropolitan area. If I wanted to makes sure someone knew I meant the whole of the Sydney Metropolitan Area, I would say "Sydney Metropolitan Area". I might even reply with the name of the suburb I live in if I wanted to be more specific, or even the area "The Northern Beaches" if I wanted to be less specific about where I lived, but more specific than, say, just "Sydney". However, "I live in Sydney" is a factually correct statement. In fact my postal address does not even include "Sydney" in it.

When I was in Vietnam, everyone referred to the biggest city there as Saigon.

Re:Hanoi not biggest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32490456)

fuck off commie gook. i killed your buddies 40 years ago and im going to come back for you.

Re:Hanoi not biggest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32492210)

Bring it on, Roundeyes. We'll kick your sorry paper-tiger asses just like we did last time. :)

Give me an F !! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32489028)

Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men, Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam Way down yonder in Vietnam
So put down your books and pick up a gun, We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it's one, two, three, What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven, Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why, Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on generals, let's move fast; Your big chance has come at last.
Gotta go out and get those reds - The only good commie is the one who's dead
And you know that peace can only be won When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

And it's one, two, three, What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven, Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Huh!

Well, come on Wall Street, don't move slow, Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb, They drop it on the Viet Cong.

And it's one, two, three, What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven, Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on mothers throughout the land, Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate, Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block To have your boy come home in a box.

And it's one, two, three What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven, Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,

Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Re:Give me an F !! (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490862)

That war has been over for a very long time.

No non-participant has any business fapping to it in place of trying to understand the new reality in the region.

Dumass, a against-war song from woodstock 1969 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32490970)

You are stpuid american leftist?

What is the "new reality" of Vietnam? (1)

lullabud (679893) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492332)

It's interesting to me to hear what people's ideas are of what Vietnam is like. I think some people think VN is kinda like the middle east, but in SE Asia.

I first came here a year ago and knew almost nothing about the place except pho, ca phe sua da and beautiful girls. I didn't even know much about the war except that a lot of young men went off and died in a war we Americans lost.

What's interesting to me though is that Vietnam is so different from what a lot of people expect. Vietnamese people are really happy, probably the happiest people I've ever met. Also, not a single one of them has brought up the war from the 70's.

There is a pretty amazing local free market economy where people set up shop on the side of the road if there is a demand for a service on any given day, and they make money sitting there with a sewing machine, a fruit juicer or a basket of crabs. A motorbike rider becomes a taxi when they spot you walking with a pack.

It's beautiful too, Ha Long Bay has amazing landscape and wildlife, and the Island of Phu Quoc in the Bay of Thailand has gentle, clear, warm water. The mountains have cool weather, so cool that you sometimes need a jacket even in summer.

The fashion is great because they make cheap versions of all the expensive stuff that gets shipped to first world countries, and it looks great on slender bodies that live on the natural foods that are grown all over the country. There are plenty of cafes with HDTVs showing movies and music videos from all over the world, playing music and serving fresh fruit smoothies.

The food is good and natural. Rice is grown everywhere, so you get it fresh and from local farmers. Fruits are also grown everywhere, naturally enough that if you pick a banana you better eat it within a few hours or it'll go bad.

Yes, the government is officially communist. You don't see it most of the time though. I was discussing this with a Russian friend and she said that VN communism was a joke compared to how it was in Russia where the gov owned every business. The local free market like what you see today in VN would not have existed in the USSR. Also, the involvement of the gov here is so minimal on a day to day basis that you don't actually experience the communism, it seems like a pretty free country for the most part, albeit pretty conservative.

The roads are often bad, but some of the progress they are making is fantastic. Huge bridges, smooth highways with higher speed limits.

As for the OP, that sounds like a hard thing for this country to enforce. Vietnam is one of the most corrupt governments in the world. Even so, I don't agree with mandated software installation. Besides, what are they going to do, port it to every platform, or do they expect everybody to run Windows?

All in all, the "new reality" of Vietnam is pretty good. I'm happy here. I won't stay here forever, but I wouldn't be upset if I had to. That is to say I am not more upset at the communist Vietnamese government than I am with the republic US government.

Help yourself before helping others. (0, Troll)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489214)

This may prove to be an unpopular POV among some of you, but seeing it from a bit of a different angle - US always has to worry about the way things are somewhere else. Why don't we let these figure it out for themselves, let them ask for help when they need to and only get concerned when they get a new line of centrifuges [npr.org] going, besides it's not like ./ is going to see a drop in traffic because of this. The only ones who have consistenly benefitted from this are the military and the big pharmas, handing out anti-anxiety and PTSD prescriptions. So let's do some real work for once - plenty [nytimes.com] of [globalintegrity.org] problems [wikipedia.org] to take care of this end.

Re:Help yourself before helping others. (2, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489374)

Why don't we let these figure it out for themselves

Because there are those in power who never want them to figure it out.

let them ask for help when they need to

Well if we don't raise the issue then the ones in power will work to ensure they cannot. See Iran and their crackdown a year ago.

only get concerned when they get a new line of centrifuges going

At which point it's obvious the government gives not a damn for its people and instead exists only for itself and whatever broken ideology it follows.

Re:Help yourself before helping others. (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490288)

"At which point it's obvious the government gives not a damn for its people and instead exists only for itself and whatever broken ideology it follows.
"

That's not "obvious" in Viet Nam.

It's leaders fought free of the French and the US, repelled a Chinese invasion attempt, and guided the country into tentative steps toward Capitalism (Intel fab, etc). Just because they don't immediately open the floodgates by turning loose uneducated people with a democracy doesn't make them evil.

Re:Help yourself before helping others. (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489986)

You know that reminds me of this story my old man told me during the early 50's, his parents were broke. Under the poverty line, kids were eating next to nothing, and so on. Someone came by asking for money to *help feed insert starving kid wherever in a 3rd world backwater*, and my grandfather asked: "Why don't you help us." Their response was: "You don't need it."

And so life goes on.

Re:Help yourself before helping others. (0, Troll)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490168)

Americans tend to be Do Gooders and not mind their own business.

It offends them when this is pointed out (Troll mods now mean Disagree, as exemplified by your post!).

Viet Nam has fought for and earned the right to be left utterly alone by the US.
 

Re:Help yourself before helping others. (1)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493340)

I'm just wondering what those who rated this down as a Troll going to do about Bradley Manning [wikipedia.org] being arrested [wired.com] .

Mono-OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32489436)

Authoritarian governments actually are setting up their own electronic seeds of destruction by mandating an IT monoculture such as 'Green Dam'. This is actually a good thing. When a vulnerability is found, _all_ their systems become 'open' and information will flow (some of it they would like to remain secret!) outward to everyone.

They'll be in a patch/release cycle where information will leak, by design!

Beautiful.

Domino effect in effect (2, Funny)

newdsfornerds (899401) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489800)

This could spread to Cambodia, Laos and Thailand. From there it's just a short swim to Australia!

Re:Domino effect in effect (1)

John Saffran (1763678) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492106)

It could be worse .. it could arrive in a LEAKY BOAT *cue political armageddon*

For those outside Australia who don't get the above, the arrival of refugees via 'leaky boats' has been a political headache with lots of accusations flying back and forth.

Argueably necessary (1)

maas15 (1357089) | more than 4 years ago | (#32489806)

Internet related crime is so out of control in Vietnam, that despite privacy/human rights concerns, I completely believe that the motive is to reduce crime, and I hope that it will be effective.

Re: Potential Censorship (1)

Elitehusky (1828312) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491684)

These are human-rights activists concerned about a potential "Internet clampdown". Why isn't the Internet in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Surely a revision is needed to validate this path of logic, although to lose access to a wealth of information via the Internet is very painful, that I will admit.

Honoi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32492066)

. . . is not the largest city in Vietnam.

Obama ,,, Humanitairian ,,, ??? ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32492318)

NO!

Barak Hussain "the former Barry" Obama is a ... CRIMINAL! World class too!

Will be a funny to watch on CNN "the former Barry" Obama, hanged for .. Crimes Against Humanity ... after the Coup by the DoD.

I think TFA is wrong... (2, Informative)

Funnnny (1409625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492936)

I'm living in VietNam, and I think the article have some misleading
The government only require the Internet Cafe have a server that install a Internet cafe management software accepted by the government, although the accepted list isn't issued yet, but they don't force the Internet Cafe to install any software. It's mostly to prevent student to access porn and some other blacklisted site in Internet Cafe.
I think it's fine, because most internet cafes are using one, like Vinagame's CSM
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