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Computex 2010 Tablet PC Round-Up With Video

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the slates-for-days dept.

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MojoKid writes "At Computex 2010, devices like the Eee Pad and Eee Tablet were all the rage. Of course the bulk of these were Intel Atom-based systems, but there were a number of NVIDIA Tegra 2-based models in the mix as well. What is glaringly apparent on all of these tablets — and absent on the iPad — are the multitude of connectivity options built into them, like USB ports, flash card readers, and video output ports. Obviously, from a hardware perspective, the iPad is a sexy device; but Apple's true mastery is that of the user interface. The first big player that steps up with something competitive to Apple in that regard will have the pole position in 2010's race for the hot re-emergent tablet market." Reader Raikus adds an opinionated summary of winners and losers at "Tabletpalooza," i.e. Computex 2010.

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174 comments

Interesting quote from the summary (4, Insightful)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490404)

I think it would be more accurate to say that Apple already has the pole position (no pun intended), and that any new competitors would be the runner up until proven otherwise.

"The first big player that steps up with something competitive to Apple in that regard will have the pole position in 2010's race for the hot re-emergent tablet market."

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490512)

I'd say the Android OS is on its way. The one thing I'd want to see is the manufactures not crippling the device. I'd prefer a vanilla version or one somewhat optimized for a tablet interface. I've been using the Ubuntu Netbook Remix on my netbook for a few months now and am fairly happy with it. Does anybody have an opinion on whether this option may be a little more prepared for "prime time" than Android?

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494374)

I'd say it's not. 90% of all android tablets are "not upgradeable" or ship with a horribly out of date OS version. Android 1.5 or 1.6? Come on. No android app store..

It might as well come with windows CE installed.

Ship the dang thing with a current OS and get certification with Google to include the app store.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494484)

I also use UNR on a netbook; but I don't think I'd use it on a tablet.

Essentially, UNR is largely identical to desktop Ubuntu's take on Gnome(theme, default programs, etc.); but with a launcher and windowing defaults that make more sense on fairly low resolution screens. In my opinion, it does that reasonably well. However, the moment you actually hit any of the application buttons, you are right back in a (full screen) version of a standard desktop application.

Experience has generally shown that desktop applications are fairly unpleasant for tablet use. Not impossible; but unpleasant. They tend to assume input at mouse-resolution, rather than capacitive-fingerpaint resolution, they tend to assume that keystrokes are highly efficient shortcuts, rather than necessary evils, and so forth. There are certain places where touch inputs make very useful adjuncts to the mouse and keyboard for desktop use. Most notably, your Wacom style touch devices, with their sensitivity to fine gradations in pressure, are quite good, even essential, for drawing. The low-end touchscreen stuff, often IR edge sensor based, available in a fair number of all-in-one desktops(HP seems to have started the fad, though others are doing it as well) isn't vital to much of anything; but you don't pay much extra for it, and being able to click on something by poking the screen isn't a bad thing, and can be useful for casual demoing purposes.

For the purposes of smallish, keyboardless tablets, though, my money would be on Android, with its cellphone history, rather than UNR, which is basically a nice way of launching and window-managing desktop apps on small screens. For anything with a keyboard and a reasonably conventional pointing device, though, Android would seem more like a stunt than like a serious choice(with the possible exception of further development of the interesting demos that have been done of running Android applications as widgets on desktop Linux OSes).

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (2, Insightful)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490522)

Is Windows purchased because it is technically the best, or because it has the best marketing team aimed at the target market?

Ask yourself the same question about the iPad.

All Apple's taught us is that it's possible to market something so well that even "I gotta be different, man!" geeks are taken in.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (4, Informative)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490550)

Neither. It's mainly purchased due to a desire to conform to what the majority have, mainly for interoperability with others (work, gamers, ...). It's purchased because it has the majority of marketshare.

It's tough to make the same claim when Apple went from zero phones in 2007 to what they have today, or the introduction of the iPad which again went from 0 to todays 2 million in a matter of weeks.

Simon.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (3, Insightful)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490800)

or the introduction of the iPad which again went from 0 to todays 2 million in a matter of weeks.

That's the best evidence of good marketing I've come across. It's an unproven device which few people had even seen, let alone had the chance to try out, yet preorders and early orders came in by the hundreds of thousands.

People want to conform to a majority brand: the Apple brand offers social interoperability. No-one does real work on an Apple iDevice - they're for the guy in Starbucks always writing his first bestseller, taken mainstream. If you think you're the exception, you're on the spaceship with the management consultants (how I miss '70s and '80s Apple..).

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (5, Funny)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491036)

That's the best evidence of good marketing I've come across. It's an unproven device which few people had even seen, let alone had the chance to try out, yet preorders and early orders came in by the hundreds of thousands.

In stores, before you buy an iPad, you can try one. Even before the iPad was announced, you would have experience of the OS from the iPhone. And ultimately, you can return it, if it doesn't meet your expectations.

There's absolutely no way whatsoever Apple's current success can have been achieved primarily by marketing. For marketing to work, long-term, you have to have a great product behind it.

People want to conform to a majority brand: the Apple brand offers social interoperability.

Apple had zero smartphones sold just three years ago. Now they have tens of millions. These people all bought iPhones because it was already a majority consumer brand?

No-one does real work on an Apple iDevice - they're for the guy in Starbucks always writing his first bestseller, taken mainstream.

I can guarantee you more "real work" is done on iOS than on Android OS. But it's a silly metric to use, unless you think that people should only own things that are used for "real work", or that the iPad is primarily targeted as a device for "real work".

"Real work" (whatever that means) is still primarily the role of the PC (whether Windows or Mac). The iPad is useful to augment "real work", but isn't something that's yet set to replace the PC for that purpose. Which is why no one every says it should, outside of those that use it as a reason to put it down.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

Zerth (26112) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492362)

Apple had zero smartphones sold just three years ago. Now they have tens of millions. These people all bought iPhones because it was already a majority consumer brand?

I won't say all of them did, but as a complete anecdote: the marketing head at my company recently requested an iPad to display documents and presentations to customers instead of paper or slides. It only has a 10" diagonal screen, so any real text will be marginally legible unless we reformat all our material to fit in nearly half the square inches and a fraction of the resolution.

This is clearly not going to make his presentations more effective than a laptop, except for the "we're as awesome as those guys on the news who use an iPad instead of a written notes" factor

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492570)

Apple had zero smartphones sold just three years ago. Now they have tens of millions. These people all bought iPhones because it was already a majority consumer brand?

I won't say all of them did, but as a complete anecdote: the marketing head at my company recently requested an iPad to display documents and presentations to customers instead of paper or slides.

So, you're saying this is indicative of the average (or even of a significant minority of) iPad buyer? If not, then it's not clear how this is relevant.

It only has a 10" diagonal screen, so any real text will be marginally legible unless we reformat all our material to fit in nearly half the square inches and a fraction of the resolution.

This is clearly not going to make his presentations more effective than a laptop, except for the "we're as awesome as those guys on the news who use an iPad instead of a written notes" factor

Why would it be any less effective than a laptop? If it's a large meeting, he can connect it to the same projector he would connect the laptop to. If it's a small, more personal meeting, the iPad is likely to be quite a bit better suited than a laptop, since it's going to be easier to handle and even be passed around.

I'm curious if you'd have promoted a netbook over an iPad for something like this, were it not for the blatant contradiction in that stance.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493314)

Can you connect an iPad to a projector? I didn't think it had much in the way of connectors.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (2, Informative)

UnxMully (805504) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493408)

Can you connect an iPad to a projector? I didn't think it had much in the way of connectors.

There's an adaptor for an iPad to VGA connection - http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MC552ZM/A?fnode=MTc0MjU4NjE&mco=MTczMTA1MTE [apple.com]

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494518)

Be aware, though, that(contrary to expectations developed in using PCs, including the OSX-running ones), iPad VGA out doesn't just automatically mirror the internal screen. Support is per-application, and at the application developer's sole discretion. Oh the sob stories from people planning to use the netflix app on a large screen...

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32492728)

...It only has a 10" diagonal screen, so any real text will be marginally legible unless we reformat all our material to fit in nearly half the square inches and a fraction of the resolution.

It's 1024 x 768, probably the most common slide projector resolution on the planet, and higher than many "full featured" netbook PCs.

Oh, sorry, did I let technical details get in the way of your prejudice?

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

LinuxAndLube (1526389) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494016)

When rumours of the the Apple iPhone surfaced around the world, it was pre-selected as one of the biggest must-haves of 2007. When it became a reality, as soon as Apple set a release date, it was already sold-out. The first shipment of iPhones were gone before anyone had the chance to discern or decide whether it was worth the hundreds of dollars or not.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

capebretonsux (758684) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494266)

There's absolutely no way whatsoever Apple's current success can have been achieved primarily by marketing. For marketing to work, long-term, you have to have a great product behind it.

Not necessarily. Apple has their 'loyal following', which would buy anything put out by Apple. Jobs et al could launch gold-plated dog turds emblazoned with apple logos and announce that it was a 'revolutionary, magical device that provides the best experience of holding down papers on our desks' and they'd still sell half a million units on launch day at a horribly inflated price. I'm not a die-hard apple hater, xbox 360 fandom suffers from the same problem. I personally know people who are on their third, fourth or fifth consoles, and while the failure rate has gone down, it's not what I would call a great product... unless I was the manufacturer I guess.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (2, Insightful)

Albanach (527650) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491108)

I would imagine the vast majority of the 2 million were purchased by people who owned an iPhone or iPod Touch and therefore had a pretty good idea of what they were getting.

It certainly wasn't as big an unknown as the first iPhone.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491440)

and had a sizeable investment in itms and app store perhaps?

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (2, Insightful)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493782)

A combination of good marketing and a loyal fan base that know that they tend to like Apple products. One person's fanboi is another person's satisfied customer.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (2, Insightful)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491422)

iphone piggy backed on itms and ipod, pretty much the same way windows piggy backed on dos and the invetment people had done there.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492672)

Are you then going to say the iPod piggybacked on the iMac? How far back up the chain do you want to assign prime cause?

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493734)

The iPod sold because the other PMPs at the time sucked ass or blew chunk, your choice. One thing I'll give old Steve credit for, he may be an asshole, but that man knows how to get a good UI designed. The players at the time had craploads of buttons, usually menus upon submenus, nothing at all was intuitive or was where you would expect it to be, frankly they all sucked.

As for the other iDevices, never underestimate herd mentality. Sure they work great, nothing wrong with them that I know of, but when my 67 year old dad, who is about as clueless as they come and is about as "cutting edge" as a stone age hammer, says he is thinking about an iPhone cause some of his friends have them and they "look spiffy"? yeah, don't underestimate herd mentality or keeping up with the Joneses. On a positive note, I've been getting all his tech fad hand me downs since he got a Trash 80 when they were all over the TV, so if he wants to play with a new shiny, who am I to stop him? ;-)

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494390)

at the time? I have tried 4 separate Android based tablets recently. They all STILL suck horribly. Battery life is good for the better ones, but they all STILL use a horribly out of date Android OS release with no plans to offer any upgrade.

No thanks.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (3, Insightful)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490562)

That's a ridiculously argumentative question based on a false dichotomy.

I don't buy Windows because it's technically the best AND I don't buy it because it has the best marketing team. I buy Windows because it runs Adobe CS5 and Ableton, and because I am familiar with the Windows interface. Doubtless, other people buy Windows for different reasons.

If your false dichotomy truly represented the only two reasons why people purchase Windows, open source systems would have no trouble displacing Windows.

Fanboi is a modern synonym for eunuch.

Network effects (1)

sjbe (173966) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491188)

Is Windows purchased because it is technically the best, or because it has the best marketing team aimed at the target market?

How about neither. Windows is purchased because the majority of other people/companies also purchased Windows. It's called network effects [wikipedia.org] and there is a lot of value in using software that is maximally compatible with what everyone else uses.

Of course one could make the heretical argument that for many people Windows might actually have been the best choice for their needs and budget at the time of purchase. I know, crazy world in which we live.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32490654)

I'm confused by the summary, myself. My iPad has a USB port -- albeit an unusual one -- and can do video output to an external display. Do those connectivity options not count because the USB port's shape is unusual, or because it doesn't have a flash card reader?

USB Ports on Tablets (3, Insightful)

billstewart (78916) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491042)

You must have one of those special iPads, then - the ones Steve Jobs is selling [apple.com] have a Dock Connector Port, though you can hang a cable with a USB connector off of that, or plug into a dock. It's not part of the tablet itself, it's an external device, so it's annoying at best if you're trying to connect things to a tablet as opposed to a desktop-mounted thing. Also, I can't tell from the documentation how many of those things you can use simultaneously - obviously you can't use the Dock-to-VGA cable and the Dock-to-USB cable at the same time, but if you've got the Dock or Keyboard Dock, can you use both the VGA and the USB at once? It doesn't look like it.

With USB, if the device only has one port (boring), you can hang a powered hub off it to support keyboard, mouse, Ethernet adapter, etc, but AFAIK there's no equivalent fanout for Dock ports. So your iPad battery had better be charged up before you use it with an external screen, and you'd better have a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse and Wifi.

It's one thing for Apple to try to use proprietary connectors to keep you locked in to Apple's world. But it's another thing entirely to be Not User Friendly as a result, or to be Ugly and Klunky instead of Insanely Cool-Looking.

Re:USB Ports on Tablets (0, Redundant)

gumbi west (610122) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491808)

"you can hang a powered hub off it to support keyboard, mouse, Ethernet adapter,"

Not sure if you are in the market for a tablet. Perhaps you should consider a portable computer. It is true that Apple cuts adapters and connectors much faster than other manufacturers.

Remember when the iMac didn't have a floppy drive? My x86 computers continued to have them for about 5 years but I never used one after 2000 (others surely did, but I didn't). There was also firewire and gigabit Ethernet where they added these expensive high speed connectors way before others did.

Re:USB Ports on Tablets (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492684)

In the case of Firewire 400, they're also dropping them before others have even picked them up. Apple is that far ahead of the curve.

*ducks*

Re:USB Ports on Tablets (1)

fredmosby (545378) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492626)

I agree that iPad should have at least one powered USB port. But I think that if you are plugging it into an external monitor, keyboard and mouse then you aren't using it correctly. Have you even tried using one? It's a multitouch interface. A mouse doesn't even make sense.

Re:USB Ports on Tablets (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494400)

I have several network Projectors that will display content over the network from the laptop. and Panasonic is currently working on a iPad app to display the presentation on the projector wireless.

IT's simply that the projector manufacturers forgot to design their drivers/apps.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491068)

I'm confused by the summary, myself. My iPad has a USB port -- albeit an unusual one -- and can do video output to an external display. Do those connectivity options not count because the USB port's shape is unusual, or because it doesn't have a flash card reader?

It does have a flash card reader. In fact, the iPad has all three things listed as omissions in the summary.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491114)

I just looked at the iPad specifications on apple.com and couldn't find any mention of an SD slot. Did I miss something?

I'd really like to know if the iPad does indeed have an SD slot because that might make it worth having. I'm not talking about some kludgey dongle thing that will let me read SD cards, but an actual slot on the side.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (2, Informative)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491238)

I just looked at the iPad specifications on apple.com and couldn't find any mention of an SD slot. Did I miss something?

Yes, but...

I'd really like to know if the iPad does indeed have an SD slot because that might make it worth having. I'm not talking about some kludgey dongle thing that will let me read SD cards, but an actual slot on the side.

It's an adaptor for the dock connector on the bottom of the iPad. It's very compact (much smaller than most USB SD readers). Being able to bring it with me on vacation to sync photos means I can leave my notebook at home, and to me that's *HUGE*.

It's also very well integrated with the Photos app, including supporting RAW files, skipping already imported items, deleting from the card when you're done, syncing photos back to your PC, etc. Yes, these are all things one would expect from a properly done process, but on portables, "properly done process" isn't exactly something you can always count on being the case.

But if you have an aversion to adapters, it's got that going against it. It seems a bit much to me to base the iPad's suitability on one very small adaptor, but to each his own.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

Zerth (26112) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492398)

This small would be better. [dealextreme.com]

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492476)

That's just for MicroSD, which doesn't apply to most cameras. By going with SD and USB, they cover all the bases quite well. The SD adaptor is really quite small, google for "iPad camera connection kit" to get an idea. It's quite a bit smaller than a book of matches.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32492678)

Thanks marketing-droid-2000! but NO!

You're retarded

the iPad DOES NOT HAVE A CARD READER/VGA/USB, you can connect something to read cards OR use an external display OR connect USB cables.

I want to puke every time I see this kind of marketing doublespeak from iFad fanboys, technology used to be numbers and HARD FACTS, but now is iMagic!

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492732)

You do realize a device can have optional external components and adaptors, don't you?

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494420)

It's an adaptor for the dock connector on the bottom of the iPad. It's very compact (much smaller than most USB SD readers). Being able to bring it with me on vacation to sync photos means I can leave my notebook at home, and to me that's *HUGE*.

I dont understand that. I take 18 megapixel images, On "vacation" I take nearly 1000 photos. even the biggest flash sized ipad cant candle the photos I take. It's why I own a imagetank.

Are you taking tiny 4 megapixel images, or only taking maybe a handful? then get a 8gig SDHC card and not worry about offloading.

The ONLY use I can see a iPad for in photography is to look at the photos. and Honestly, I dont want to do that on vacation.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32490718)

I think it would be more accurate to say that the competition doesn't have a chance in hell of catching the iPad - they don't have the infrastructure, the advertising budget (I estimate that the average person is now reminded to buy Apple products at least 10 times a day) or the customer base. But go ahead guys, knock yourself out. It'll give Apple a ton of new free publicity as review after review compares each pathetic new offering to the iPad.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (2, Insightful)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490758)

Yes and no. In two years time, i'm sure some 'android' equivalent will establish itself as a real competitor, and it's fan's will claim that it is the best thing since sliced bread and that nothing Apple does is 'orignal' or 'new', all the while forgetting that their tablet probably has it's roots, and it's very existence based on an attempt to 'best the iPad'. The same is true for the iPhone and the current crop of Android devices.

Simply creating a device is only half the challenge. You also have to do it well, which is where they tend to fall to the wayside.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491856)

Apparently you hit a nerve. One would be hard pressed to argue that the inspiration for Android WASN'T the iPhone.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491142)

The iPad is the new competitor here. Tablet PCs have existed for years. If anyone is the runner up, it's Apple.

Re:Interesting quote from the summary (2, Funny)

greenguy (162630) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492498)

Apple already has the pole position (no pun intended)

None taken.

iPhad; hardware is sexy? (2, Insightful)

hhedeshian (1343143) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490420)

Obviously, from a shiny perspective, the iPad is a sexy device; but Apple's true mastery is that of the lack of a user interface.

Fixed that for ya.

1. There is nothing sexy about a crippled CPU with no connectivity.

2. People can't handle choices. If you give them a device with only a few buttons, then it's like a microwave and they're happy.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32490530)

Obviously, from a shiny perspective, the iPad is a new device; but Apple's true mastery is that of the lack of a user interface.

In what way is an inanimate piece of plastic sexy? It's only advantage is that it does a few tasks adequately.
Everything it does, there is a device that does it better, just not all in one shiny white idiot-proof case.

Anyone know if these have external moisture sensors on them too?

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490572)

There must be something sexy about the iPad hardware since all the tablet computers shown on the page linked to in the summary look pretty much identical to one.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (2, Insightful)

click2005 (921437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490612)

There are only so many things you can do with a tablet form factor.
Other than a button or two and some ports, they're all going to look more or less the same.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (5, Insightful)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490770)

For the majority of consumers, the biggest thing you can do with a tablet form factor is to drop the price.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490802)

There are only so many things you can do with a tablet form factor.

That is true to a certain extent but there is still room for innovation or, at least, variation. The iPad is a slick bit of industrial design, but that doesn't mean someone couldn't come up with a different design that would work as well or maybe even better. When you look at the photos of these hopeful competitors, however, it's pretty obvious that they're all pretty much iPad clones.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

DinDaddy (1168147) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491384)

I see this argument a lot in defense of other mfrs copying Apple designs. While it certainly has some validity, I wonder, can anyone find an example of a tablet released before the iPad that looks nearly as much like it as these do?

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32493216)

Before the iPad came along there was no "tablet" that looked remotely like the iPad.
Take a look at Microsoft's Courier or HP's Slate. Want to bet that they'll both mimic Apple's designs in their future products?
Same thing happened with the iPod and the iPhone.

Define "remotely like" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32494162)

Define "remotely like" because there are plenty like the ipad. Another poster put forward one and how many ways can you fuck around with the look of a tablet: IT LOOKS LIKE A FRIGGING TABLET. You know, one of those things 10 commandments come on, THAT is how old that form factor is!

Of course, if you're talking about the form factor AND marketing it as "an appliance" rather than "a computer", then Apple have "innovated" there, though I don't like the direction. It's back to the old Big Iron days of "you do what we want, when we want and how we want. So help you god.".

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (3, Interesting)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490602)

ditto, the average person wants something that he can poke at and make work. If it's as simple as the interface that biologists provide monkeys in research cells, all the better. He wants to poke at the red square and get a treat, or when he wants other treat, poke at the blue one. Uneducated users are afraid of the unknown, and software that they would have to test and use themselves to determine the quality of is well beyond their knowledge base (unknown = bad). Unless something has been vetted through nerds (us) who have the knowledge and expertise to know quality, OR everybody and their mother uses it, it's unknown and only potentially not ungood.

Unfortunately, until some manufacturer comes out with something that is simple (red square = treat) and as good (face it, the iphone/ipad is quality-ish hardware and its interface does work), the apple products will continue. Just because it lacks a few features that 75% of the population doesn't use (only we wish that we could hook up a keyboard or mouse, everyone will continue to be happy jabbing at the screen instead of jabbing at a keyboard), doesn't mean that something that you can be more productive on will dethrone it.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (3, Informative)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490842)

only we wish that we could hook up a keyboard or mouse

You can connect an iPod to a keyboard--either Apple's own [apple.com] unit or any standard Bluetooth keyboard will work. No joy on a mouse, though. The touch interface doesn't support one.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490864)

...only we wish that we could hook up a keyboard or mouse...

I don't think you're getting it. If you want a mouse AND a keyboard, get a laptop. The iPad isn't a laptop. It really is not meant to do everything a laptop can do. That doesn't make it bad, lame, or crippled. It's just not a laptop.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

darthdavid (835069) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491090)

I don't much like the iPad, but you do know that you can in fact hook it up to a keyboard, right?

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491480)

lets not forget that the iphone ads are basically show and tell videos of how to do different things with the built in features.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491620)

lets not forget that the iphone ads are basically show and tell videos of how to do different things with the built in features.

Though you have to admit, those are the best ways to advertise. Granted the iphone isn't as fast as the commercials, but it's displaying real world features that are usable by everyone. I actually like those show-and-tell ads more than the ones that were outright lies (The whole internet, not the... etc. But they didn't tell you that flash didn't work, that you couldn't get 3g, a feature firmly established in previous generation smartphones, and that certain sites would pick up on the iphone and show you mobile sites that are different from desktop "internet") because they demonstrate the product. It's better than those snuggy commercials ("Are you too retarded to operate a phone when covered with a blanket?").

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (0, Flamebait)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490768)

1. There is nothing sexy about a crippled CPU with no connectivity.

Internet connectivity not enough for you? Are you holding out for wormhole connectivity?

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491212)

Fixed that for ya.
1. There is nothing sexy about a crippled CPU with no connectivity.
  2. People can't handle choices. If you give them a device with only a few buttons, then it's like a microwave and they're happy.


These are - by definition - mobile devices.

When you are on the road with your kids, what you want is a reliable cell phone, a GPS that delivers clear and accurate directions. The pocketable still or video camera, Perhaps a book to read, some music, movies or games to help pass the time.

You are looking for an escape from the keyboard and cubicle.

 

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (3, Insightful)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491256)

No, people CAN handle choices. And they're choosing the iPad.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (4, Insightful)

suomynonAyletamitlU (1618513) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491890)

Wow, a blatant troll at +3 insightful. Well, I suppose it only takes a handful of mods.

1. There is nothing sexy about a crippled CPU with no connectivity.

There is something intriguing, and perhaps sexy from the right viewpoint, about a device that responds instantly and smoothly to your input, and which has consumer-level (finished) applications that look gorgeous. A device that was nothing but "shiny" would have no, or few, practical applications, and any consumer level app is or can be considered a "practical application"--it's something you would pay money to do, use, or have. Or, well, not any, I guess, but I think the size of the market supposes pretty clearly, if only by sheer virtue of statistics, that there are in fact practical applications for it.

2. People can't handle choices. If you give them a device with only a few buttons, then it's like a microwave and they're happy.

I disagree with your oversimplification. A platform like Windows or Linux allows anyone who develops applications to say, "You need to be this geeky to install and use this application." This is by far one of the most straightforward, and yet it is somehow one of the most hotly debated, reversals of the iOS: they do not allow you to jump through hoops in order to get extra functionality, which means that the programmers either have to begrudgingly improve their GUI skills or limit functionality altogether.

The reason is simple--the people they're marketing to will go cross-eyed if you talk to them about a topic they would need to study for months or years to understand at the same level you would, and believe it or not, computers and programming are such a topic. If your life is already computer-centric, understanding computers is no big deal. If your life is centered around construction work, business deals, hair salons, clothing design, or any of the other (completely fucking legitimate) career paths out there, saying "You have to spend months learning computers before this $500 tablet and this particular $2 application become useful to you" is going to lose you customers.

If instead you tell those same customers, "We promise we won't let the programmers do anything that's going to confuse the crap out of you, for instance, try this $2 app that you can start using right away! And there are more that are just as easy!" you now have a customer, and probably more on the way

I mean, in some ways I feel you. I've been a computer user literally longer than I can remember, and the idea of having a tablet that can also have cron jobs and shell scripts running in the background is delicious. But no, dude, don't yell at the Norms for being Normal. Give it a year or two and there will be some kind of really excellent Linux tablet that does everything a geek could ever want. You don't have to try to turn this one into that miracle product. Just let it be.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493418)

Just to pick up on your point of 'a device that responds instantly and smoothly to your input', I have seen video of iPads and iPhones and they don't seem to respond instantly, they have zooming and sliding and all the other crap that I switch off on desktop machines. Can this crap be disabled on iPhone/iPad?

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (2, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493632)

No, but it's not as obtrusive as you might think, but it may put some people off. The different pages of apps on your home screens slide sideways when you swipe your finger, but they move as fast as your finger does; so if you do a demo you can do it slowly. If you are using the phone day to day you swipe without thinking and it happens rapidly, but enough that you can see what it is doing (better feedback than just instantly blinking to the next page).

The zoom happens when you start an app, and this is really there to cover the load time I think. On my 3G some of the bigger apps are still loading after the zoom finishes.

From using it day to day there's no extra animation beyond UI feedback - for example, icons don't swirl around like some fancy vortex when you press them just to look pretty. Every animation is specific to give you feedback on your input. That's the smoothness - the rate at which a list scrolls is entirely down to you. A couple of quick flicks and it whizzes past but stops instantly if you touch your finger down again.

Re:iPhad; hardware is sexy? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494446)

2. People can't handle choices. If you give them a device with only a few buttons, then it's like a microwave and they're happy.

AMERICANS cant handle choices. Go to Japan, they have some great devices that let you do a lot. Those products don't come here because Japanese designers are certain that Americans are "dumb".

I'm not trolling, this is a REAL perspective of Japanese manufacturers about american consumers.

The BEST DVD recorder I ever bought was a JVC that was available in Japan only. IT even allowed me to adjust the menus and had a DV deck in it that transferred the video from DV to the DVD-R with an edit list, plus let me capture frames for backgrounds and enter text for menus.... It was NEVER available in the USA.

Maybe so (3, Insightful)

osgeek (239988) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490592)

The first big player that steps up with something competitive to Apple in that regard

Haven't prognosticators been saying this exact same thing for years about the iPod and the iTunes store?

The song goes something like this: "We've got hardware! It's got MIPS and ports and pixels and gigabytes! All we need now is easy to use software. See that word 'easy'? That must mean it's EASY to build."

As a geek, I'm not interested in an iPad because it's missing hardware options, but to the regular consumer the shiny, easy, hip user experience is everything.

Re:Maybe so (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492158)

I like my iPad because it is missing hardware options. I spent too many years in the day job getting hardware A talking to hardware B with Software X on 2 - 3 different Operating systems. After a decade of that I'm to the point where lack of hardware options is kind of a feature. I got rid of my MacBook Pro and went to a iPad 3G as all I do these days is email, skype (chat mostly), and write proposals and do some web surfing. The only thing I wanted was the ability to attach a keyboard and the apple wireless keyboard I use with the Mac Mini attached to the TV works great. Even then I went ahead and got two docking stations, one for the office and one for the house. And if I want to take it to the coffee shop, it's just as portable even if I bring the bluetooth keyboard as the 12" PowerBook it originally was going to replace and ended up replacing my MacBook Pro as well.

Really? (3, Insightful)

N0Man74 (1620447) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492654)

I'm probably going to get modded down by fan boys for my blasphemy, but...

Lack of USB ports, card readers, and video outputs and the like are features? Seriously!?

You do realize that the reason that there are compatibility issues that exist within the PC world is not simply because of hardware options, but because of the fact that every single piece of the system is customizable. Every piece of hardware, every piece of software, and even the OS can be picked by a user. The more variables there are, the more possibility that there can be unexpected interactions.

However, if you have a locked down platform where you control the OS and the hardware that is present, then the chances of random compatibilities goes down incredibly. That's without even taking into account having control of the software too.

My XBox 360 has more hardware features than my Wii does, and amazingly I haven't had a single compatibility problem with it. My friend has no issues with his DSi, even though it has more hardware features than his old DS. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess that if Apple had added additional hardware features to their iPad, then the chances are they'd work without compatibility issues.

I think that one could argue legitimate reasons for exclusion of certain hardware exclusions. I might disagree, but reasonable arguments could be made. However this one just seems silly. I might have a lot of criticisms for Apple, but they seem to do well in quality control; I have faith that they could pull off hardware features that work.

As to gui and inputs/outputs (1, Insightful)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490738)

Seems to come back to a view of the world at this time.
Apples sees it as a pure content delivery device with lock down and photo usb as an afterthought.
Windows was the same with sound, video drm ect.
Your just renting time and buying products on their devices.
I hope other devices have real computer like support.
Webcam to flash to a webpage in real time, tethering, telco options, real software and media options to fit your life, not just fill Apples coffers.
Someone needs to do I am a "Ipad" and I am a Table pc" parody.
Have some fun with how limited, expensive and locked down push-centric devices are.

2010 Roundup? (2, Insightful)

Bysshe (1330263) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490872)

Considering its only June, its hard to do a comprehensive 2010 roundup.

Re:2010 Roundup? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32493084)

What part of "Computex 2010" don't you get?

So what makes a tablet? (1, Interesting)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 4 years ago | (#32490912)

TFA talks about additional ports and card slots. Are those defining characteristics? Whether they are or not, what they symbolize is an extension of the PC-centric model of computing that the iPad does not. Many people have said, and I agree, that the iPad is a computing appliance and not a true computer. That's actually its greatest strength. In the sense that Apple has created a market for tablet devices these potential competitors are misreading that market if we see a slew of Windows 7 tablet computers come out of this. Android tablets may or may not be another story. If the market is for a simple computing appliance these vendors would do well to try to do as little as possible, not what it seems they're trying to do.

Never forget that the market for these devices isn't the just technorati. It's Homer Simpson and friends.

Re:So what makes a tablet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491364)

As I see it, the important thing about the ipad (and iphone, etc) is the 'ecosystem' that Apple has built up around it (itunes, iapps, and eventually ibooks) that make it easy for the users. None of the competitors has this. And what is worse, there are so many diverse entries that I don't think there ever will be a viable competing ecosystem.

Re:So what makes a tablet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491974)

what is worse, there are so many diverse entries that I don't think there ever will be a viable competing ecosystem.

With Google and hardware manufacturers working together to avoid fragmentation, I think android with be able to compete. Not only that you'll have stuff like this [phandroid.com] , this [google.com] , this [google.com] ...etc. you will also have the rest of the marketplace [android.com] in which Google encourages people to develop the way they want to.

Re:So what makes a tablet? (1)

MeNeXT (200840) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492098)

The iPad needs access to files, be they movies, music, letters, faxes, PDF's, pictures, contracts.... It also would be great if it could connect to multiple computers to share those files. Bluetooth transfer of files would be nice. Printing would be nice too. iTunes is just brain dead. This is coming from people who bought as a gadget who don't know about it's limitations.

I personally hate the DRM, lockdown and Apples (Jobs) attitude.

Copying Documents On Ipad Is Insane (1)

meehawl (73285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492124)

TFA talks about additional ports and card slots. Are those defining characteristics? Whether they are or not, what they symbolize is an extension of the PC-centric model of computing that the iPad does not.

Beyond symbolism, what they represent is an easy, simple, straightforward and tactile way for people to copy their shit from one device to another without being leashed to Itunes, or jumping through bizarre hoops. If you want to do anything other than CONsume the paid-for media that Apple has sold you, the Ipad's user itrface workflow borders on the obscene:

Prisoner of iTunes - the iPad file transfer horror [theregister.co.uk]

To import, you connect the iPad to your computer, go to the apps tab of your big iPhone iPad, and look down at the bottom to see which of your apps you want to open the file with. Then you click Add and get the file from your computer, then it trundles along the wire to the iPad. After all this you can open with the app you sent it to, but only with that app. [theregister.co.uk]

Sending it in the other direction is possibly even more baroque. In the case of Apple's iWork applications, you go to My Documents, press the 'send' icon at the bottom of the page, and up come three options: send via email, share via iWork.com and export. Note that you can't save 'to' anywhere, you can't save at all because the iWork documents save themselves all the time, and as far as you're concerned there is no 'to'. The first options do what they say on the tin, while 'export' lets you export the file in a couple of different formats to... where?

OK, back to iTunes, connect your iPad, go to the apps tab for your iPad, scroll to the bottom, click on the app you exported it from, highlight the file, then click on Save to, and save the file onto your computer. You can't do any of this while you're working on the document itself on the iPad; you need to switch over to the My Documents section.

Nor can you name files on the iPad. Highlight a template and click on the plus sign underneath it, and you get an option to duplicate the document, in which case it'll open a file with 'copy' appended to the template's name. Edit directly from the template, and you'll find it creates a new file with '1' appended to the template's name. It gives itself two different ways to create non-relevant filenames, and won't let you have even one?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Homer Simpson and friends want their porn on their Ipads and they don't want to have to go through this shite to get it. Give them a tablet with memory card, and they'll just copy the files onto it and swap the memory card over. It's what hundreds of millions of grandmothers have learned to do with cameras and photoframes and printers.

Good luck with that (1)

mveloso (325617) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492588)

The only way a tablet will make it in the consumer market now is if it lets you watch flash-based porn on it. Soon even that will be gone, as the porn industry moves to HTML5/H264.

Basically, the rest of the market is fucked. Nobody can put out a device with the screen and build quality at the price points that Apple has, because nobody else has the volume to do it cost-effectively.

IPS screens are expensive...unless you buy them in bulk. The same goes with anything Apple is buying for their devices. Flash memory? Apple probably sells 2/5ths of the world production of flash. Crap, they must buy millions upon millions of molex connectors. How aboout glass? Yeah, it's not like anyone is opening new glass factories to make capacitive screens for these tablets. They're using what Apple doesn't want...or excess capacity run at off hours by the B team.

That's not to say tablet manufacturers won't make money. Apple makes tons of money in the PC market with a puny marketshare, relatively speaking. However, they won't make as much margin as Apple does in its PC niche because, when you come down to it, everyone else (non-Apple customers) is too cheap to buy gadgets at a price point that's sustainable.

That leaves two markets: government and verticals...the two areas where tablets actually exist in countable numbers. Verticals are soon going to be crushed by the iPad as well, unless they have odd physical requirements.

So there you go...a Q&D analysis of the 'tablet' market. Summary: go vertical now, before the iPad gets there. Or sell to governments.

Re:Good luck with that (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493658)

Seriously, what? I can't tell if I've wildly missed some sarcasm...

Basically, the rest of the market is fucked. Nobody can put out a device with the screen and build quality at the price points that Apple has, because nobody else has the volume to do it cost-effectively.

Huh? People have been making tables for years. My personal all-time faveourite is/was teh HP-Compaq T1100. The screen is actually a wacom tablet. Anyway...

IPS screens are expensive...unless you buy them in bulk.

Er, what? IPS screens, like all others have been steadily dropping in price since their invention. And there are plenty of other useful screen technologies. Look, every small-form-factor laptop vendor has found a cost effective way to sopurce small sceens.

Apple probably sells 2/5ths of the world production of flash.

That is a very curious statement. Apple maybe sell about that many smartphones, which do come with flash. That ignores everything else (USB sticks, SD cards for just about everything, solid state disks, embedded devices, and do on and so on and so on). I expect you're overestimating by several orders of magnitude.

Crap, they must buy millions upon millions of molex connectors.

This must be sarcasm, right? They don't even use them anymore and you can buy them already for pennies at a time from RS and Farnell.

That's not to say tablet manufacturers won't make money. Apple makes tons of money in the PC market with a puny marketshare, relatively speaking. However, they won't make as much margin as Apple does in its PC niche because, when you come down to it, everyone else (non-Apple customers) is too cheap to buy gadgets at a price point that's sustainable.

That's more reasonable. Apple sell at a decent margin,other vendors o for volume. Still, I expect that Apple will regularly trade places with the other top vendors.

iPad has USB and video out in its iPod connector (2, Informative)

gig (78408) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492886)

There is no lack of connectivity on iPad. It has a 30-pin iPod dock connector, which is multiple ports in one, for the same reason as an iPod: it's too thin for the other ports it replaces. There is USB, video out, and a number of other cables in an iPod dock connector, so there is no lack of connectivity. A device with a micro-USB port is no better off, you still need a cable with the right ends for whatever device. iPad supports USB audio, hubs, keyboards, and card readers. It supports VGA, component, and composite video out. iPad also works with many iPod accessories, such as credit card readers, which is something other tablets can't say. iPad connects directly to iTunes, which makes it easy to transfer music, movies, books, documents, podcasts onto and off of the device. And it supports Bonjour (zero configuration networking) so it appears as "iPad.local" on the network. Bluetooth keyboards, audio, and controls. It jumps on and off Wi-Fi networks very easily as you move around. There's no shortage of connectivity.

When comparing iPad competitors, it's going to be way, way, way more instructive to compare software, which is 95% of this kind of device. Look at firmware, system, native C apps, HTML5 Web apps, and cloud services. The software that runs the touchscreen is very important to whether the device is practical. Also, usability is very important in consumer electronics.

Maybe the summary means other tablets are vying for pole position in the race to compete with iPad, but if talking about the market as a whole, iPad is way out in front by any measure. They already outsold all other tablets from the past 25 years.

     

Re:iPad has USB and video out in its iPod connecto (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32493164)

"iPad also works with many iPod accessories, such as credit card readers, which is something other tablets can't say."
Yeah, they're stuck with standard USB credit card readers, like you'd use with a PC or even *gasp* a Mac desk/laptop. I bet they cry at night because they can't use the cool proprietary bus.

Anyone who wants bonjour can install it on Windows machines along with quicktimes/itunes/safari, courtesy of Apple's all-in-one installer. Anyone who wants zeroconf in Maemo, at least, just installs avahi. I don't have an Android or WebOS device, but no reason avahi shouldn't work there, too; if nobody's packaged it up, it's because nobody cares, more's the pity.

"There's no shortage of connectivity." only because you spin every bit of missing connectivity as a MOTHERFRAKKING FEATURE! No, making your device too thin for standard ports is NOT a feature -- especially since that thinness does absolutely no good, you can't put it in your pants pocket or anything. And you brag about its "Bluetooth keyboards, audio, and controls.", blithely ignoring it doesn't do bluetooth file transfer? Oh, that's right, because we don't let users play with the filesystem from on the device; that would just confuse them. You have to use iTunes for that; it's a FEATURE!

Forgive me if I find it a wee bit disingenuous to call it a "feature" every time you tell me I can't do something. If Steve Jobs thinks a shiny (or style, or ease-of-use, or whatever) vs. functionality tradeoff is the right thing to do, stand up and say it, but don't pretend that killing functionality is adding functionality. If it's really the right way, YOU DON'T NEED TO LIE ABOUT IT.

Re:iPad has USB and video out in its iPod connecto (1)

LinuxAndLube (1526389) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494042)

30 pins should be enough for everybody.

NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (2, Insightful)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492904)

What is glaringly apparent on all of these tablets — and absent on the iPad — are the multitude of connectivity options built into them, like USB ports, flash card readers, and video output ports.

Christ, whats wrong with these people? Make it *NICE TO USE*, and THEN worry about slowly trickling out new features!

Are you really going to take X over Y because it has an IR transmitter? Maybe the Slashdot audience, but certainly not the majority of consumers, you know those people whos money is just as worthy as the tech elite?

Make it nice! Make it lovely, a pleasure to use! I actually imported an iPad, without even seeing one in the metal, and ended up paying EXTRA. And yet, I am wildly happy with my iPad, cannot imagine living without it. Would I want "Tablet Y" even if it were cheaper and had a Serial port? NO! Because every other tablet SUCKS!

I actually fear for the other manufacturers, who have clung to Android. I think its bad to build Google into this all important Super-Company in every market. It means we get locked down into Android...or nothing...because theres no third option.

I hope HP does well with WebOS, the big thing with getting ANY portable computer essential is that its NICE to use! Not some hacked together lump of plastic and ports.

A man with a Netbook came into my work today, he was measuring furniture and entering it onto the HP Netbook. He was pushing a pram, AND holding this open screened Netbook down each aisle, incredibly awkward looking! I couldnt help but imagine how much better using my iPad would be for the task. I could easily hold my iPad in one hand, and tap-type with the other, instead of walking about with this big (it looked huge and flimsy) Netbook with a crappy screen. For each entry, he had to place it on something, and crouch over to type a few numbers into the spreadsheet. I'm sure I can type many times faster on a physical keyboard than my iPads software keyboard, but not in that scenario! How fast are you when crouched over, pecking out keys in a public space? Holding with one hand, tap typing with the other, I would be much more efficient using my iPad in this situation. Of course, a smartphone would have been better yet.

For the love of god Hardware Companies, make NICE products, dont just worry about what never to be used port you can slap on the ugly sides!

What an appropriate Slashdot quote "The truth of a thing is the feel of it, not the think of it. -- Stanley Kubrick"

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493144)

So you buy products because they look pretty, not because they actually do anything worthwhile? That seems to be the gist of what you wrote there, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493244)

Oh no, you got me!

Really, dont you want NICE looking, and NICE to use products? Have you tried say, a Windows Tablet? They are NEITHER. "five times" as thick, and buggy, unoptimised...

For the average person, why get excited about plugging in SD cards? That then require your slick looking device having a permanent gash...

I think its a simple fact, given the choice, people would rather have NICE to use devices, that look NICE, than additional features that, in my opinion, we will never use!

Hey, I hardly think every other person in the world cares what I think, then again...the market is responding. iPads sold, 2 million plus, a MILLION a month....compare that to Kindles (not even on sale in NZ), Zune HD's (not even on sale in NZ), HP Slate (not on sale ANYWHERE), Microsoft Courier (not on sale ANYWHERE)....

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (2, Interesting)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493412)

I'll take something useful over something pretty anyday. Useful AND pretty is a bonus. However, like the iPad, pretty and not useful is an epic fail.

For the average person, why get excited about plugging in SD cards? That then require your slick looking device having a permanent gash...

See, in the real world, there are people who have these things called "files". A great way to transfer these "files" from one device to another is either a USB drive or a SD card. It's infinitely better than having to take your iPad, plug it in, load iTunes, and then go through it's horrific sync system that only syncs files for programs Apple chooses to let you sync from (I have an iPod and an iPhone, I'm well aware of the horrible flaws in iTunes sync). It's much easier if you can keep extra songs / pictures / movies / books / whatever on an SD card and just pop it in and read it off the card - that way if you go on a trip, you don't have to lug a laptop with you just to get more files over to the tablet.

iPads sold, 2 million plus, a MILLION a month

Yes, but they have something that no one else has! A bright shiny apple on the back! That means that the average moron MUST have it or be a social outcast, despite the fact that there are other options (well, in the case of the iPad, there soon will be) that cost less and do more - but they don't have the shiny apple on the back, so they're inferior products.

You seem to be confusing "I must have it because the TV tells me I have to have it in order to get attention and popularity" with "I really like device X and it does everything I want".

That's why I'm trading in my iPhone 3GS for an Evo - not only will I save $23 / month with Sprint vs. AT&T, but I'll have better hardware, better software, and the ability to customize my phone however I want. I'll laugh at all the trendy idiots buying the iPhone 4 that isn't even as good as an Evo, despite coming out a month later. I'll especially laugh in 3 months when the next Awesome Android Phone comes out and really embarrasses the Apple fanboys.

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493566)

I'll take something useful over something pretty anyday.

By chance, are you one of those people with a calculator watch? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculator_watch [wikipedia.org] Oh yes! All that SEXY functionality! :)

Oh, so you have a bandolier of SD cards strapped around you, and you change "mags" a dozen times a day with your phone/tablet device? Why not just get the storage space you require, INTERNALLY?

If you want a file, why not email or otherwise FTP it to where you want? Rather than carrying things about on little bits of plastic? Or...do it all..."on the cloud"!

Give me an example of an iPad competitor, thats in the market right now (pretty much worldwide too), that I could have bought instead of my iPad. Something thats as nice to use for media consumption, web browsing, games etc. I dont think theres anything really comparable. I hope the HP Slate will be the second in the same market.

In New Zealand, we essentially get ZERO Apple ads...if you hate Apple, move here :) Perhaps when the new iPhone is released, we get a couple ads a day, for a week or two, but thats it. All our Apple ads, for a whole year!

We also have no Apple Stores, those damn attractive, ultra profitable stores, damn them! *shakes fist*

I would personally assume the iPhone 4 is far better than the EVO, but I have actually used neither. Whats the EVO got? Faster network...actual tethering (although the iPhone can be tethered in basically every OTHER country apart from yours....)....what else?

The iPhone 4 will be about the same price (I buy unlocked and run on prepaid plans normally), is slimmer, I think it will have better build quality (my opinion) and definitely a better rear camera, from what we've seen. Maybe if you get your socks off over bandwidth speeds or have the absolute largest screen (with a lower resolution)...

But really, if I choose the iPhone 4, and you choose the EVO, great! Its not like we have to engage in fisticuffs with each other! We share the same biology maaaaan :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rk78eCIx4E [youtube.com]

Listen, I know its all cool to hate "the establishment" and all, but judge tech on its own merits, not how your peers feel. I've never seen an ad for an iPad, or my iPhone on my TV, or a bus. I pick the devices I like.

Have a great day (its 9PM Tuesday night here)

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (3, Interesting)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493908)

Oh, so you have a bandolier of SD cards strapped around you, and you change "mags" a dozen times a day with your phone/tablet device? Why not just get the storage space you require, INTERNALLY?

Well, your beloved Apple limits the iPad to 64 GB (for way too much money) or a measly 16 GB which stores....well, not much. SD cards would fix that just fine - cell phones have been doing it for years.

If you want a file, why not email or otherwise FTP it to where you want? Rather than carrying things about on little bits of plastic? Or...do it all..."on the cloud"!

Once again, with your "email it" "solution", you're back to needing a second computer just to get a damn file. That's absurd and one of the major failings of the iPad. Secondly, if you want Google / MS / Apple / Other Big Company to have ALL of your personal files (pictures, home videos, word documents, everything) that not only they have access too but a mistake could mean you lose all of your files FOREVER, then to be blunt, you're a damn fool. A little extra convenience is NOT worth losing your privacy or potentially losing all of your files for.

Give me an example of an iPad competitor, thats in the market right now (pretty much worldwide too), that I could have bought instead of my iPad.

Well, you know, there's this thing called "impulse control" - you could start by learning some of that. Then you could wait a few weeks as the Android tablets flood the market. I know - researching before you buy something, it's a crazy idea!

We also have no Apple Stores, those damn attractive, ultra profitable stores, damn them! *shakes fist*

Please, go in one sometime when you're in the US. You'll never want to do business with Apple again. Everything about their stores (from the way the employees talk to customers to the giant displays they have with "tips") tells you blatantly that they think you are a complete moron. It's rather insulting, not to mention that Apple intentionally has about one store per 5 million potential customers, which ensures that you'll always have long waits.

I would personally assume the iPhone 4 is far better than the EVO, but I have actually used neither.

Making decisions about two products you've never used based purely off Lord Jobs' advertising. I can see now why you bought an iPad. I have an iPhone 3GS and I've used phones running Android 2.1. Android not only allows you to run whatever apps you want, to customize whatever apps you want, but it also adds new features at a pace that Apple can't even dream of.

Whats the EVO got? Faster network...actual tethering (although the iPhone can be tethered in basically every OTHER country apart from yours....)....what else?

More memory, expandable storage, higher res cameras (yes, BOTH cameras are higher rest), mini-HDMI port, FM tuner, a kickstand to watching movies / Sprint TV, Flash support, a much bigger screen, and other things I can't think of off the top of my head.

The iPhone 4 will be about the same price (I buy unlocked and run on prepaid plans normally), is slimmer, I think it will have better build quality (my opinion) and definitely a better rear camera, from what we've seen.

Being .1 inches slimmer is an unnoticeable difference. You're basing the "better camera" on what exactly? As for build quality, the Evo has gotten great reviews for build quality, as has just about every HTC phone.

Listen, I know its all cool to hate "the establishment" and all, but judge tech on its own merits, not how your peers feel.

I do buy based off the merits of the technology - that's what my whole disagreement with you has been about. You've been saying people should buy a device because "OMFG it looks cool!" instead of it actually DOING something useful.

I've never seen an ad for an iPad, or my iPhone on my TV, or a bus. I pick the devices I like

Bullshit. You may not have seen a TV or print ad for one, but I know you've seen them online. Secondly, if you didn't buy them based off ad's, then how come after never having touched an iPhone or an Evo, you assume that the iPhone is better? Hm?

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494038)

Ugh.

Last post from me, I'm sure you also have better things to do.

What size are the SD cards you are using? Oh wait, dont bother replying, better if we each end it here. 64 GB is quite a lot, especially for a removable storage card...its not like TB SD cards are a couple bucks each :) Hey, I am using most of my 64GB iPad, but if I had a 128GB iPad...I'd be using that...whatever space you have on device, it will practically NEVER be enough! So...you could...stream....to the device? Eh? Its a portable device you know! Its not meant to be connected to a massive RAID by a Fibre Channel :) You want a video? Stream it from YouTube! Or Hulu, or Netflix...or whatever you might use. I dont know your situation.

Um, yes, normally when I give a file to someone else, I expect them to have a computer, or some way of using it :) You have not sold me on the idea of a stack of SD cards in each pocket. I have 200 DVDs staring back at me right now, I ripped them to my computer, and I never intend to insert a single disc again, unless to, *gasp* rip it to my HDD. Why would I want to swap in my "games" SD Card, then my "photos" SD Card...? "oh, hold on, its on my other SD Card, oh, I must have forgotten that one in my other jeans pocket..." Smooth move there :)

Oh yes, I'm sure you are very angry that there are NOT ENOUGH Apple Stores! :) My friends (in many different countries) have visited, and all mention how much they enjoy their local Apple Store. Ohhhhhh, they must be whiny "fanbois" like me, eh? Whatever I say, you're going to argue about, if Apple are too aggressive in getting "in your face", if they dont have enough wonderful Stores....

All I know is, when I visit a local "tech department store", it SUCKS compared to what it would be like at one of these Apple Stores I've heard so much about. I get "a long wait" here, where we have perhaps a couple iMacs and a MacBook on display, forget about a Mac Pro etc or service...

I actually like Android, and WebOS...I hope they ALL do well, I dont want to live in a monopoly! Oooooh, "Lord Jobs", yes, because I've dedicated my life to Steve Jobs, because I have an iPad, right? Yeah, meanwhile, what, you're in an open relationship with who, Eric Schmidt? Freaking Ballmer?

I probably read all the same websites as you do. I've never found myself wanting an Android App, perhaps Google Goggles, just to play about with, it might not work outside the US though? I'm not suffering from Apples "EVIL" plan to "tell me what Apps I can run"...

About the EVO...if you like it, great for you! I have no problem with what "Totenglocke", someone presumably on the other side of the world chooses to use in his or her life :)

The EVO cameras SUCK for quality though, who cares what resolution they claim to be. Based on the photos from the iPhone 4, it takes better footage too, and at a higher frame rate. Ohhhh, but there I go being a drooling fanboi, right? By judging from the end results, not memorising the manufacturers spec sheet! :)

We will soon see, hands on, which we each like better. Thats if the EVO is even sold in my country, as far as I know, it WONT. And, I'd have to import one without ever using it first. Should I take a 20+ hour (each leg) plane flight to the US just to try out Android phones?

FM tuner, boy, to listen to all those GREAT radio stations! Why would I ever want to listen to my own podcasts, or high quality music? Instead of, Leo Laporte, I can get my tech news from the local NZ "tech news guy"! "um, and theres this thing called Android, I think, and its not out here in New Zealand but..."

Many Nokias also TRANSMIT on FM, I dont know if the EVO does? If not, does that make a Nokia a better device? Hardly.

A kickstand is just hillarious to me, I imagine its like those fat people who use a mobility scooter to get around. When your phone has a little plastic boner that flops out,....just weird. I actually can see how it would be useful, I guess... I use my iPad's case to prop up my iPad...but I wouldnt want a little plastic arm swinging off my (future) sleek glass iPhone. If you do, more power to you.

I doubt that the EVO has comparable build quality to the next iPhone, we shall see though. I've heard of more little letdowns from reviews about the EVO than the iPhone 3GS, lets see with the iPhone 4.

If you buy based on "the merits of the technology", you should be fine with accepting that Apple makes a DAMN fine product, and they they are hugely successful. When I think back over the last decade, I cant really think of it as the "HTC Decade", I think of the many highly successful Apple products. I also think of Googles success. I use many different brands in my daily life, good for me!

I've said many times now, you should have a gadget that you LOVE, not just something you put up with. I love ALL the gadgets I've bought, I dont just buy anything, I save up, and buy the things I like. Even if that means importing them from other countries...Impulse Control...boy, move here and say that.

Christ...have I seen an iPhone ad? I have on say, Cult of Mac...yes...but I've seen FAR more ads for the Droid, EVO...on sites such as Engadget, Gizmodo, Kotaku...when was the last time you saw an Apple ad there? Oh, perhaps in the glowing reviews of each successful Apple device?

Remember when the G1 was hot shit? Or the Droid? Or the Nexus One? They all have their month of fame. And then they drop away, to be replaced by the New Hotness. The EVO is having its fun now, lets just see how successful it is compared to the iPhone 4. I'd be highly surprised if it outsells this next iPhone, or the last iPhone, or the iPhone before that...

I suppose the whole world is just a bunch of "Apple fanbois" doing whatever "Lord Steve" tells us to, eh?

Use whatever you like, I dont give a damn about what tooth brush you use, why would I care about your TV? Or your Car? Or your Phone?

Have a great life Totenglocke.

"What size are the SD cards you are using?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32494338)

"What size are the SD cards you are using?" Does it matter? Here's the thing with SC cards: you have SD cardS. Multiple. a lighter-sized box holds 12 of them, the internal pocket of your geek toys hold more. You know what else you can do? SWAP THEM WITH OTHER PEOPLE. You know, just like in the sneakernet days. You copied a meg or so and moved the floppy disk to another machine. Well, will you swap your iPad with someone else so they can get a copy of your stuff?

You have completely swallowed the load that Jobs left.

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

LinuxAndLube (1526389) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494064)

In New Zealand, we essentially get ZERO Apple ads...if you hate Apple, move here :) Perhaps when the new iPhone is released, we get a couple ads a day, for a week or two, but thats it. All our Apple ads, for a whole year!

In New Zealand, 'essentially ZERO' is 28.

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494078)

Oh, are you in New Zealand? Where are you seeing all these ads? C4? TV3? The New Zealand Herald? Or The Listener?

Hell, bring on the Apple ads I say, better than the BS from Telecom, apologising for XT.

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493688)

A man with a Netbook came into my work today,

This is, of course the classic scenario for a tablet, and has been for a long time. It's why tablets are so incredibly popular in certain industries. You may also note that many of the toughbook series can operate as tablets.

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493750)

Hi, yes I know and understand about professional use of tablets in rugged environments, its a bit like NASA space rockets being specialist, I dont expect the average GM car to fly to mars :)

The man with the Netbook was just a regular guy, buying several sideboards, cabinets etc. There was no real reason for him to have the Netbook, he was essentially typing "cabinet A, 3 Metres, $500" into a spreadsheet. A couple years ago, we might have written on a 5 cent piece of paper, with a dollar pen :) I would have used a smartphone, or a tablet computer if possible. His netbook use was very difficult looking, needing to put it down every few metres, and bend down to it etc.

I have no doubts that specific jobs have used tablets before. But, around the home, at school, at university, they have not been the whopping success Bill Gates predicted :)

I think the iPad is a truly "magical" device, the first of its kind, of consumer media consumption "tablet".

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

Bongo (13261) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493810)

Exactly. Plus, "nice" doesn't just mean pretty. Those who don't get this, consider a girlfriend. She can be pretty, but a total bitch. She can treat you like a doormat and make you feel terrible. She could be neurotic and make your life hell. But still, she could be "pretty".

In classical architecture, they talk about "commodity, firmness, and delight". You kinda need all three for any of them to be worth it. That's why Apple can seemingly make compromises but end up with a more popular product.

I know people (educated, expert, professional people) to whom you point out and name all the different ports on the side of their laptop, and they are confused. I think the confusion is actually, "I'm a respected professional in my field, and I earn loads of money, I'm qualified, I'm published, I'm intelligent -- so why am I wasting my time with all these different computer ports?"

Using the girlfriend analogy, she cooks you a nice dinner and she makes the effort to have a nice conversation with you over dinner. She is "nice". She can be good looking too. But she doesn't throw your dinner in the bin the moment you happen to make a remark that she misconstrues as being a subtle insult. That would be neurotic.

Neurotic can be exciting and wild, and have all sorts of interesting surprises, but in a long term relationship (which is what you enter into with a computer gadget that you are trusting all your information and media to) you want nice, mature, attractive, balanced, good hearted stuff.

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

jmac_the_man (1612215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494592)

A man with a Netbook came into my work today, he was measuring furniture and entering it onto the HP Netbook. He was pushing a pram, AND holding this open screened Netbook down each aisle, incredibly awkward looking! I couldnt help but imagine how much better using my iPad would be for the task. I could easily hold my iPad in one hand, and tap-type with the other, instead of walking about with this big (it looked huge and flimsy) Netbook with a crappy screen. For each entry, he had to place it on something, and crouch over to type a few numbers into the spreadsheet. I'm sure I can type many times faster on a physical keyboard than my iPads software keyboard, but not in that scenario! How fast are you when crouched over, pecking out keys in a public space? Holding with one hand, tap typing with the other, I would be much more efficient using my iPad in this situation. Of course, a smartphone would have been better yet.

Every netbook I've seen has an open hinge, where it's possible for a right handed user to stick their left hand under the computer and have their fingers come through the hole in the hinge. (The result looks a bit like holding an artist's palette.) Then the user types with their right hand. You're less likely to drop it, you get tactile keyboard feedback, and you can transfer the data the guy was typing to an inventory system or whatever out one of the "ugly ports."
Plus, when you're not typing, you can push the pram with your right hand while still holding the netbook in your left hand. (Also, you can probably afford more furniture to measure if you're using a netbook rather than an iPad.)

Re:NO NO NO! BAD TABLET, BAD! (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32494670)

hehe.

This man was definitely having to pick his Netbook up, and put it down every few metres to tap out "1.5M $500" etc. Very uncomfortable.

What "Ugly Port" would you use? Ethernet? USB? Firewire? Why not Bluetooth or Wifi? Or a 3G connection? You know, like those sleek and practical iPads. Much better than dragging a USB cable throughout every store you visit :) Our store is...basically the dimensions of a "Football" (as in the international Football) field.

Frankly, using pen and paper would STILL have been easier. Unless he had a Newton :) God bless my little Messagepads :)

Correction... (0, Troll)

Aeternitas827 (1256210) | more than 4 years ago | (#32493740)

but Apple's true mastery is that of the user interface. The first big player that steps up with something competitive to Apple in that regard will have...

...an enormous lawsuit on their hands, because Apple have patented everything except your face. And Jobs is working on that, too.

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