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Turkey Has Reportedly Banned Google

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the who-you-callin'-unturkish dept.

Censorship 531

oxide7 and a number of other readers sent word (from mostly non-authoritative sources as yet) that Turkey had imposed an indefinite ban on some Google properties. "Turkey's Telecommunications Presidency said it has banned access to many of Google IP addresses without assigning clear reasons. The statement did not confirm if the ban is temporary or permanent. Google's translation and document sharing sites have also been banned indefinitely along with YouTube and Facebook in the country. Other services such as AppEngine, FeedBurner, Analytics, etc., have also been reportedly banned." Some real-time commentary (much of it in Turkish) can be found at Twitter hashtag #TurkeyCensoringGoogle. We have noted in past years the censorious ways of Turkish courts.

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You Turkey! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491374)

You're Too Turkey to deal with the Google!

Re:You Turkey! (1)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491710)

You can't fly like an eagle if you're hanging around in Turkey anyway.

Re:You Turkey! (1, Informative)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491998)

I was going to reply that they have Eagles, but it seems they don't. They do have a fleet of Falcons [wikipedia.org] though.

Flood gates open (1)

shemp42 (1406965) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491376)

Well it looks like the Green damn has begun to flood the world.

Flow of Information (5, Insightful)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491380)

I think this quote applies here:

As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

Commissioner Pravin Lal
"U.N. Declaration of Rights"

source [generationterrorists.com]

Re:Flow of Information (4, Funny)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491460)

    That would have been a lot more impressive if it was a real quote, and not just a quote from a video game.

Re:Flow of Information (4, Insightful)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491498)

Au contraire. The quote, or rather it's use, is all the more impressive (though not in a good way) for what it represents, the death of conventional literacy.

Think. (3, Insightful)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491514)

You lack the imagination to apply structure to our world? That entire page is taken from a carefully constructed and coherent extrapolation of human activity and knowledge. There are quite a few examples of quotes on the same page that are taken directly from our actual history as well. Apply your sensibility and winnow out the impossible, what is left are situations to consider. Think.

Re:Flow of Information (1)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491538)

That would have been a lot more impressive if it was a real quote, and not just a quote from a video game.

Ultimately, they're both sets of words composed by a person. What's the difference? Is it just that you expect someone famous to be attached to a quote? What if someone famous composed the words quoted in the video game? Would that still not be a real quote?

Re:Flow of Information (4, Interesting)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491802)

    Well, the attribution for the quote was to Commissioner Pravin Lal of the UN. That position indicates someone who has earned respect of world leaders, and in that is himself a world leader.

    Myself, I don't know all the members of the UN, nor all the titles within the UN. I strongly suspect most of us wouldn't. It would be easy to confuse a well written game quote, for a well written quote of a world leader. Likewise, there should be no expectation that we would all recognize every character from every video game.

    Or as NATO Intelligence Chief Henry Schmit once said, "There's only a fine line between information and disinformation. We must remain diligent to the factuality of any information presented."

Re:Flow of Information (2, Insightful)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491850)

That is a valid point. At the same time we must look forward and to do so we need guides. Extrapolation is one of those guides. The quotes on that page represent a coherent package that are relevant to current human issues and are therefore useful for extrapolation given our current world.

Re:Flow of Information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491858)

    Well, the attribution for the quote was to Commissioner Pravin Lal of the UN. That position indicates someone who has earned respect of world leaders, and in that is himself a world leader.

    Myself, I don't know all the members of the UN, nor all the titles within the UN. I strongly suspect most of us wouldn't. It would be easy to confuse a well written game quote, for a well written quote of a world leader. Likewise, there should be no expectation that we would all recognize every character from every video game.

<snip>

Perhaps it was in the interests of full disclosure that the OP also posted the source. Would this not invalidate your argument regarding the attribution?

Re:Flow of Information (2, Insightful)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491958)

    As it is frequently commented on here, people fail to read the whole summary, and more often the article itself. It would be irrational to assume anyone would follow a link in a comment. Even if they did, they may not have recognized the name at the top of the page as a game page, and it would simply look like a list of famous quotes. I know I didn't game a lot through that period (busy working and having a life), and therefore didn't recognize the game name, but I did recognize Sid Meier's name.

Critical Thought. (5, Informative)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491980)

Can I be blamed for others lack of critical thought? The quote begins:

As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century...

Anyone who is thinking as they read instead of blindly ploughing through the words would have realized that Earth has not reached it's final century yet?

And it was fully sourced too.. ;)

Re:Critical Thought. (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492024)

    On the first reading, I thought that was odd, but I took it to mean the 100 years which have just passed. I've read plenty of good quotes from non-native English speakers that read a bit odd. Since I don't know the game, I'll have to assume Earth ended in imaginary timeline.

Re:Flow of Information (1)

RMingin (985478) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491944)

The definition of fiction is 'Not all documented truth', not 'contains no documented truth'. A subtle but important distinction.

To clarify further: Because a quote is from a game or movie it can have no truth in it?

Re:Flow of Information (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491976)

I think William Shatner said it best [myvideo.de] .

Re:Flow of Information (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492002)

Please specify what William Shatner telling Star Trek fans to "get a life" has to do with fiction containing truth as well as fiction?

Re:Flow of Information (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491550)

War.

War never changes.

Re:Flow of Information (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491626)

You have some secret information that would qualify Google? Spill the beans! So it can be considered freely! ;)

Re:Flow of Information (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491636)

Sorry wrong branch.

Re:Flow of Information (4, Insightful)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491572)

Yet, Turkey is/was a charter nation in the creation of the United Nations; they've also been a member in NATO since the Cold War.

Somehow, something has changed. It's interesting that this so closely coincides with the "blockade" incident with Israel, on account of many of the participants having been Turkish citizens.

I wonder if either of these events have anything to do with the recent (2002) elections in Turkey, where the AKP party (a 'religiously conservative' party with strong Islamic 'influence') won the seats of government in overwhelming numbers. It would certainly explain socio-political events since that time, if indeed they're moving closer towards the Islamic "center" (as Iran claims having done themselves).

Re:Flow of Information (5, Interesting)

Cassius Corodes (1084513) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491714)

It is indeed to do with the AKP party - but that is nothing new for turkey - what is new that this time the army has not responded with a coup as it normally does when religious folk get out of control in turkey. I think it has happened at least 3 or 4 times so far. Since their election turkey has moved closer to Iran, and with the blockade stunt now has taken leadership of the 'resistance bloc' (as well as caused their religious followers to go totally bat shit crazy on the streets (see some of the photos)). Basically barring the army doing anything turkey has left both the western and secular realm.

This situation is quite interesting as the majority has repeatedly elected, what is basically, an Islamist party into power. The west has made it clear they dont want the army to intervene this time, but that is the only thing that can save Turkey from the Islamists. What the hell are you supposed to do if you believe in democracy but democracy spawns people who bring it down?

Re:Flow of Information (4, Insightful)

Bartab (233395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491868)

It is indeed to do with the AKP party - but that is nothing new for turkey - what is new that this time the army has not responded with a coup as it normally does when religious folk get out of control in turkey. I think it has happened at least 3 or 4 times so far.

This is true, and entirely the fault of the EU. The -people- of Turkey want a religious, sharia law based, dictatorship. It's a foreign thought to western minds, but as you point out they've pressured for such a gov't several times. At which point the, highly secular, military comes out in a minor coup and re-establishes what was the second freest nation in the area.

The EU didn't like that, so as such a gov't is being implemented now the military is holding back and not correcting the situation, and we get headlines like this one.

Re:Flow of Information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32492012)

The turks have allowed the jihadists to control the propaganda. This is, in no small part, a result of the EU pressure towards a free press. Unfortunately, that meant that the better funded press won; there is no free press there.

Re:Flow of Information (1, Troll)

gordoste (325826) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492038)

Why aren't they allowed to have a democratic country implementing Sharia law? If it's a liberal reading of Sharia law it might even be better than the "pay lip service to people's rights while trampling on them and making yourself billions of dollars" that the US has spawned and is exporting.

Re:Flow of Information (3, Insightful)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32492004)

The west has made it clear they dont want the army to intervene this time, but that is the only thing that can save Turkey from the Islamists.

That is because the West has become weak and thinks that the more meek it gets, the more everyone will suddenly love it.

In truth, our enemies still hates us and we are losing what allies we once had.

Re:Flow of Information (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491720)

There is a tendency to over-differentiate in human thinking. More and more branches open up and the consequences between them become ever more complex with the resulting signal of your thoughts plummeting. Do you think you are trying to relate things that may have no relation? All these things may have been factors but I believe the true motivator from your post, the one to concentrate on, is the nature of biblical thinking. From that perspective it is acceptable to deny things rather than face the truth that they are part of our natural experience. Banning Google I believe in this context stems from biblical rationale. Stating why you want to ban them and publicly exposing that rationale is more compatible with information flow. Information flow trusts individuals to do the right thing, censorship implies that you as an individual cannot be trusted to not fall off the biblical path. Do you think that this mind-set is relevant?

Re:Flow of Information (1, Informative)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491784)

Shut up, douchebag. It's the same gov't that kept military "deep state" in check, implemented many "Western" policies that EU asked for, and managed to bring the crazy inflation under control.

The recent anti-Jew theatre is getting out of hand, though. Turkey and Israel have been close trading and military allies for many years.

Re:Flow of Information (5, Insightful)

Bartab (233395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491844)

Yet, Turkey is/was a charter nation in the creation of the United Nations; they've also been a member in NATO since the Cold War.

The UN is populated more by dictatorships than anything approaching "free countries", and NATO broke down into a "sign this paper against communism and the US will give you money" almost instantly.

haha keep on htinking google is your friend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491586)

ya now re-read that and KNOW the truth of google's activities

Re:haha keep on htinking google is your friend (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491650)

You'll have to be more clear in what you are saying about Google. Keeping information secret to yourself keeps things from changing.

GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVOR (0, Offtopic)

HighTechGenius (1800786) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491758)

I think this quote applies here: As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. Commissioner Pravin Lal "U.N. Declaration of Rights" source [generationterrorists.com]

IS IT OK FOR GOOGLE TO REMOVE NEGATIVE PRESS ABOUT ITSELF, WHILE THE REST OF OUR LIVES ARE EFECTED BY WHAT GOOGLE DISPLAYS ABOUT EACH OF US. THEY HAVE WON IN THE BUSINESS WORLD, BUT NOW THEIR MONOPOLY EFFECTS ALL OF US AND THEY HAVE A FEDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE WORLD TO ACT ETHICALLY AND THEY ARE NOT!!! I NEED HELP AND ADVICE ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT GOOGLE. I THINK WAHT THEY DID WAS ILLEGAL AND JUST WRONG!! My name is Rob Shambro, I am the CEO of GenosTV (www.genos.tv) a global broadband cable operator launching on January 6, 2011 at the Consumer Electronics Show. GoogleTV Invigorates the IPTV Market and Genos' CEO, Rob Shambro, Dissects the AlternativeTV Space. Here is a link to hte article. It was an upstanding, educational release just stating the FACTS in the IPTV marketplace. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/prnewswire/2010/05/21/prnewswire201005211326PR_NEWS_USPR_____AQ08961.html [forbes.com] In the press release I state, "A quick Google search on GoogleTV today, shows very mixed emotions on the service, leaning towards the "not so impressed." A. Do you think I would even dare to say that if it were not true? Absolutely NOT! B. I issued the release around 9am PST. Here is the good part, at around 10 am I go back to Google and do another quick search on GoogleTV and every single negative press article was gone. I could not believe it. C. On top of that the search results were nice and neatly organized in near chronological order! Do they not have to live by their page rank software? I printed out everything, 30 search results pages deep, before and after. The change would have been IMPOSSIBLE using their software. D. My press release above ranked in the top 100 releases for MAY in PRNEWSWIRE. This release was picked up everywhere, yet it’s nowhere to be found on Google unless you absolutely search for it. E. Then I went to Bing.com and did a search on GoogleTV and Google TV and printed out the search results pages, 30 deep. This how their software would display the search results. F. The NUMBER ONE article about GoogleTV is HULU Unlikely to Run on GoogleTV on mashable.com. http://mashable.com/2010/05/20/hulu-google-tv-android/ [mashable.com] In the past I had some negative articles posted by some anonymous people that showed up first every time you did a search on my name. This was like that for years. It has cost me millions of dollars in financing and stress. I almost gave up and never started another company again because of Google.. Just recently a 10 year old negative article that came up first in my search results and CAUSED ME NOT TO GET a $500,000 investment from a local investor. I can prove it. You hear horror stories about Google ruining people's lives because of negative press showing up first in their search results. I am sure I am not alone here!!! I wish I could go into my search results and change them around so they all look positive and neat, JUST LIKE THEY DID. This is NOT fair. You hear about doctors that can not get a single patient because on Google is some old domestic violence case that happened 20 years that comes up first on a search on their name. Google should have to live by the same rules as everyone else. I think this is illegal. They have caused me soo much stress in my life. I am an entrepreneur, I love GOD, I help every person in the world I can, I try to do great things, I really try to create things and put it into motion. I am a doer not a talker yet a simple search on Google throws that all in the trash and makes me out to look like a really bad person. I want answers, compensation and I want the rest of the people around the world to stand up and get behind me on this issue. They are playing with people's lives and yet the first time their software works against them, they log in and delete delete delete, and put positive press first. We all wish we could do that. Thanks for your advice, support and consideration. I just don't know what to do. I am willing to take my licks but they should stand up like a man and deal with the negative free speech that we all have to. Regards, Rob Shambro

Critical Thinking. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491964)

Sounds like his problem is critical thinking skills. Along with his clients.

Re:Flow of Information (1)

Darkman, Walkin Dude (707389) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491884)

The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality

Yeah so how come most of your creativity comes from your immigrants from Europe? Back to your government sanctioned free speech zone you. In other news, turkey by name, turkey by nature.

Re:Flow of Information (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491942)

That is all leading up to the conclusion: Beware those who would deny you access to information for in their heart they dream themselves your master.

Do you not think with human nature in mind this has a degree of truth to it?

Who's surprised? (4, Informative)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491400)

The Turks don't want anyone to talk, write or even think about Armenians or Kurds. And they don't care for Jews all that much either.

Re:Who's surprised? (1, Troll)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491570)

Not only is Ataturk dead, the Turks are turning Jihadist, so now we'll have Taliban with a taste for dead Kurd (erm, "Mountain Turks").
The veneer of modern civilization is peeling off (granted, the glue never dried) and they are revealing their true Muslim character.

Add it to the list of countries Israel should nuke when götterdämmerung comes.

Or, put another way... (2, Insightful)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491760)

Not only is George Washington dead, the Americans are turning Fundamentalist, so now we'll have Theocracy with a taste for dead brown people (erm, "Furreners"). The veneer of modern civilization is peeling off (granted, the glue never dried) and they are revealing their true Christian character.

I dunno, but it seems to me that dogmatic, xenophobic, recidivist behaviour is on the rise worldwide -- Islam certainly has no corner on the market for running amok, not now, and not historically, and the term "Christian" probably carries as much negative baggage through the years as "Muslim" does.

Meanwhile, Christianity also has no corner on the market for truly pious, love-thy-neighbour actions -- one of my good friends growing up made it his life's mission to open an elementary school for the poor in his home town, and a book drive at our high school helped get him the beginnings of their library. A fellow named Ali, who is Bangladeshi, and Muslim.

Just sayin'.

Cheers,

Re:Who's surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491728)

Who's surprised? Maybe those who remember Turkey is part of NATO and is a close ally of the "freedom-loving" Americans?

Re:Who's surprised? (1)

ooloogi (313154) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491750)

Maybe Turkey's support for Gaza is backfiring as people realise there's bigger issues with Turkey and the Kurds, Armenians than there is with Israel and Gaza. Hence moving to censorship for damage control.

Re:Who's surprised? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491882)

At one point, Turkey was becoming a western, liberal democracy. They are part of NATO, and wanted to join the EU. In the last few years though, they've swung hard in the radical direction. The government has managed to create a disinformation campaign, and the results are depressing [wsj.com] . My favorite line from the article:

Then U.S. ambassador to Turkey Eric Edelman actually felt the need to organize a conference call to explain to the Turkish media that secret U.S. nuclear testing did not cause the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami. One of the craziest theories circulating in Ankara was that the U.S. was colonizing the Middle East because its scientists were aware of an impending asteroid strike on North America.

I mean, I've heard a lot of conspiracies about why the US attacked Israel, but that is a new one. It is too bad, Turkey is one place that could use Google (and free, true information).

Jive Turkeys! (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491402)

Those Turks are real jive turkeys! And to think I was going to blame the Israelis for the flotilla disaster! Now I've got my eyes squarely perched on the Turks! Especially that Bald Bull fella, I don't trust that guy at all!

Re:Jive Turkeys! (1)

HypotenuseMan (1169475) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491466)

Hey. His barber didn't know when to stop. Will you?

Re:Jive Turkeys! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491918)

Aren't they those four giant lads that renamed Constantinople?

Damage (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491406)

Isn't the 'net supposed to route around that sort of crap?

Re:Damage (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491444)

Isn't the 'net supposed to route around that sort of crap?

Yes, the Internet seems to be routing right around Turkey... Ah well, if they want to live in the Stone age...

Seriously (1, Troll)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491408)

It's about time that Turkey was expelled from NATO. It's turning into a fascist religiously controlled state at an alarming rate.

Re:Seriously (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491554)

NATO doesn't care about dictators, look at how many right-wing military coups we've supported. Heck, look at how most of NATO supported just about everyone who was anti-Soviet. They don't care about human rights, just as long as they aren't communist or allied with Russia.

All NATO stands for is opposing Russia and its allies, if you think it stands for human rights or anything you should look at the conflicts in the cold war and which side the US supported.

Re:Seriously (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491978)

...just as long as they aren't communist...

I wouldn't be that certain even of this part, either. For just one example - true, when my country entered NATO it was formally a "democracy" for almost a decade, but does anybody really think those were some sudden major shifts? "Communists" were since a long time ago predominantly locals, too; and the best part - the accession happened in the middle of 2-term, decade long presidency of somebody originating from them. And just before parliamentary elections won decisively by...former communists (who also led the place to the EU...). But even among them there was plenty of anti-Russian sentiment.
Plus - NATO didn't really seem to have a problem with Jugoslavia. Yeah, opposing Russia and its allies (or pretty much any large unaligned block) seems to be the idea.

Re:Seriously (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491616)

"It's about time that Turkey was expelled from NATO. It's turning into a fascist religiously controlled state at an alarming rate."

Leave it in NATO, since Jihadists still hate Commies (Russia still dreams Soviet dreams), but never let it into the European Union.

No Muslim country belongs there (unless Europeans decide they hate their own culture).

Re:Seriously (1)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491744)

No Muslim country belongs there

You walked the streets of London or Paris recently? Just saying.

Re:Seriously (1)

Bartab (233395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491954)

(unless Europeans decide they hate their own culture)

Already done.

Re:Seriously (1)

astar (203020) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491962)

last I looked the government there was secular and some were trying hard to keep it that way. Perhaps you are upset because it seems a theocracy just committed an act of war against Turkey and the turks were pissy abut it.

lots of definitions of fascism. the one I favor is murderous austerity during a depression.

What does this hope to accomplish? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491418)

Seriously, what does this hope to accomplish other than drawing attention towards censorship?

Re:What does this hope to accomplish? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491436)

Along with the meltdown of the southern European states, I'd say this guarantees that Turkey won't be let into the EU. It also suggests that it is moving full force towards an Islamist state, betraying the desires of its founder, Ataturk, that it would be a modern secular state.

Re:What does this hope to accomplish? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491592)

Depends on the balance between NGO, human rights groups, internal security issues and Google vs long term plain text warrants covering all internal networked computer use.
Someone at their NSA did the math for long term interception quality vs cryptography on open networks and made a few calls?
or its just a 'we can make our own internet' effort.

Re:What does this hope to accomplish? (0, Flamebait)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491600)

Well, that's kinda what they want to do, from the looks of it (and judging by their social/political behavior over the past several years). "Hey fellow Mohammedans, we're with you now!" First it was denying US air basing into Iraq; most recently it was the vocal support of the flotilla into Israel (of which many of their citizens were participants).

It probably has something to do with a "religiously conservative" party having taken the seats of power there in 2002. Just maybe.

Re:What does this hope to accomplish? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491654)

But hasn't Turkey been trying to get into the EU for ages now though? Won't this set them back a whole lot? I mean, honestly, economically there is no point trying to convince the islamic states to become major allies, their economy is based purely on oil which once economies of scale start taking off in solar/nuclear/wind/hydro/etc power, better batteries and such the economy of the Islamic states, already poor will simply collapse.

Oh yes they did. (5, Informative)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491450)

'Telecommunications and Communication Ministry' has placed a ban on various ips of google, ranging from google analytics to youtube.

despite the cause on the surface is shown deragotary videos of kemal ataturk on youtube, nothing could justify banning analytics ips. so, in the end one of the ministers slipped the real reason - google doesnt pay tax to turkey.

there is no reason why it should either. google is a corp that is centered in america, and according to treaty to prevent double taxation, it should not pay tax here, since it pays tax in usa. so there is no legal justification for trying to tax them.

but then again, you cant expect reasoning, or, abiding by laws, from an islamist government.

im wondering which is the idiot that modded me dow (3, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491676)

apparently he was some sort of political correct idiot or a muslim.

im in turkey. we have an islamist government which clearly stated they are islamist, on top of us. they are engaging in innumerable ways of censorship, of this google thing, is only one of them.

their main censorship tool is attacking the media outlets which do not publish in the manner they like, with the finance ministry, which is the ministry that governs taxes. if you are such a media company, suddenly finance ministry starts to review your previous tax payments, and, without fail, comes up with a lot of fines to fine you. so high that you cant pay, and they confiscate your company. approximately 2 major media groups consisting of 2-3 major newspapers and a television channel each, have been foreclosed in this way, and have been sold to their backers by zero interest loans from government banks.

google is an outside company. they were not able to do the same thing to google. therefore, they are trying the method of banning, to subdue google.

and, to the idiot - dont use your mod points in subjects you dont know about.

Re:im wondering which is the idiot that modded me (-1, Offtopic)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491912)

Hmm. Disagreeable mod is disagreeable. He also seems to have plenty of mod points to go around. Since you clearly aren't flaming anyone he's obviously doing it purely for censorship reasons, which is kind of ironic, given the circumstances. +5 Informative from my point of view, but I don't have any points to give.

Hey, editors, can we get unity100 modded back up please? He's clearly being targeted for speaking out. Gracias

Technical explanation? (1)

fyoder (857358) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491478)

Is this a DNS thing, where Turks could get around it by using a different DNS server than their ISP's?

Re:Technical explanation? (0)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491510)

No doubt that Turks can get around it by using a proxy or something but I don't think that is Turkey's goal. I think the main thing is to remove Turkey from western media so the government can increase tyranny.

If I was a freedom-minded Turk, I'd get out of there as soon as possible before things get worse, especially since I would imagine relations between Turkey and Europe haven't deteriorated too much... yet.

Re:Technical explanation? (1)

juventasone (517959) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491584)

The second sentence of the article includes, "banned access to many of Google IP addresses". Assuming this is accurate, then no, changing DNS servers would not help.

Do Not Insult Turkishness (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491484)

It's the law: Learn it, know it, live it.

Jeff Spicoli: He's the full hot orator.

Crossroads (3, Interesting)

skam240 (789197) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491508)

This is very worrisome given that it is coming from what is supposed to be the crossroads country between the west and the middle east. If a country like Turkey is engaging in acts like this, what hope does the rest of the Middle East have?

Re:Crossroads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491560)

...what hope does the rest of the Middle East have?

Until the frauds are expelled from Israel, none.. Europeans are not Jews, they are all descendants of converts... They have no claim..

Re:Crossroads (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491674)

you had hope for the middle east? very young, or very naive...

Re:Crossroads (1)

artson (728234) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491722)

That's just it. They were the crossroads country and now it all seems to be sliding downhill into extremist Islamism. They were the most notable of the secular states. They tried for years to join the European Union and the Europeans found every excuse to keep them out. It seems to have provided all the ammunition the Islamists needed, doesn't it?

Turkey is a very considerable country. Their geographic location is very strategic, they have a large and industrious population, they are rich and they are (were) progressive, making advances in philosophy and science, not to mention being a major trading nation. Let's hope level heads prevail.

Re:Crossroads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32492016)

More like Turkey found every reason they could think up to make the EU keep them out. The EU were originally quite enthusiastic about it (and about expansion in general) but stipulated that Turkey had to change. Now, years down the line, Turkey has changed but not for the better. This internet censorship thing they have going on is only a small part of the problem. Still, quite a lot of politicians want Turkey to join the EU within the next decade or so...

As a European... Please no Turkey in Europe, thank (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491520)

Because this kind of unacceptable behavior is not the only one. They are not at all respecting the human rights set by international rights, for a start. They do not firmly condone nor accept the Armenian genocid. The list is long.

This is sadly a country that is now going "backwards" and I honestly hope they'll never make it in the Euro (thankfully now that Greece is collapsing the last thing people want is an even more messier Europe, which accepting Turkey would clearly create).

To half of the Turkish citizens who are progressive and trying to westernize Turkey and to enter Europe: I feel really bad and sorry for you, keep fighting until you overpower the other half. To the other half: f*ck you, we don't you in Europe.

Re:As a European... Please no Turkey in Europe, th (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491574)

They do not firmly condone nor accept the Armenian genocid.

I'm really, really hoping you don't want them to condone the Armenian genocide.

Re:As a European... Please no Turkey in Europe, th (1)

skam240 (789197) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491596)

Clearly you're baiting the question of "why?".

Re:As a European... Please no Turkey in Europe, th (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491698)

They do not firmly condone nor accept the Armenian genocid.

I'm really, really hoping you don't want them to condone the Armenian genocide.

Oh, sweet merciful fuck, just when I thought I'd purged Serdar Argic [wikipedia.org] from my memory, you have to remind me of USENET and the SERDAR ARGIC 1994 HOWLING THROUGH THE WIRES WORLD TOUR [jaedworks.com] ...

(No, I'm not looking to see if the 'bot is still spamming USENET. I'm traumatized enough!)

Re:As a European... Please no Turkey in Europe, th (1)

qbzzt (11136) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491578)

To half of the Turkish citizens who are progressive and trying to westernize Turkey and to enter Europe: I feel really bad and sorry for you, keep fighting until you overpower the other half.

The problem is that the progressive Turkish citizens aren't breeding as much as Islamists do. Without numbers on their side, how can they win, except by becoming a dictatorship?

Re:As a European... Please no Turkey in Europe, th (1)

worldthinker (536300) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491814)

Well, let's see. In the Federal Republic of Germany they disallow the depiction or trading of "Nazi" paraphernalia and have laid claim on the term "Gmail". In the French Republic, they will take away your Internet privileges if you share your stuff with others. In the United Kingdom, there are a number of behaviors that are listed as "hate speech" and are severely punishable. Each of these conditions would be considered strange or wrong under the American idea of Free Speech. But at the same time, we have severe restrictions on what language or what is "decent" to be viewed or heard on the "public airwaves" in the United States. Rightly or wrongly each country decides for itself what are the bounds of acceptable behavior.

This is not a court order by the way (4, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491542)

there has been numerous court orders to ban youtube due to some laws, but telecommunications board was always banning the domain name, and leaving the ip untouched, therefore allowing everyone to use youtube by just a hosts file change or a dns change.

now, this board, which is under islamist govt's control, decided to try to tax youtube. therefore, they are trying to blackmail google by banning the ips too. the court orders are just an excuse.

Re:This is not a court order by the way (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491846)

If you're right, then this case is more about net neutrality than political/religious censorship. Does Turkey have some sort of UK-style TV tax that youtube could be seen as circumventing? This would not be too unlike here were cable or satellite networks sometimes lose access to a TV channel due to payment disputes - except that in this case one side is a government and the other is an overseas company.

Fuck Allah!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491612)

You heard me Turkish bitches. Your little asshole god and his child molesting prophet are shit.

Fuck Mohammad! Fuck Allah! Fuck Islam!

*
(Psst! That was a picture of Allah, the asshole)

Re: Suspected Google Ban (1)

Elitehusky (1828312) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491622)

This could be a separation from East and West, or it could be a switch to a local search engine by eliminating the competitition. There are various possibilities as to the motive, but the Internet is a service, not yet a right, and as such roadblocks like this will pop up.

Re: Suspected Google Ban (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491680)

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, ratified by Turkey in 1948.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Declaration_of_Universal_Human_Rights#Adoption [wikipedia.org]

Real Time commentary? (1)

joe_cot (1011355) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491630)

I'm not seeing much real time commentary on twitter, mostly dozens of people Re-Tweeting the same article. If you want to see the commentary, search #TurkeyCensorGoogle -"Access to certain Google services blocked from Turkey"

GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVOR (-1, Troll)

HighTechGenius (1800786) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491712)

IS IT OK FOR GOOGLE TO REMOVE NEGATIVE PRESS ABOUT ITSELF, WHILE THE REST OF OUR LIVES ARE EFECTED BY WHAT GOOGLE DISPLAYS ABOUT EACH OF US. THEY HAVE WON IN THE BUSINESS WORLD, BUT NOW THEIR MONOPOLY EFFECTS ALL OF US AND THEY HAVE A FEDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE WORLD TO ACT ETHICALLY AND THEY ARE NOT!!! I NEED HELP AND ADVICE ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT GOOGLE. I THINK WAHT THEY DID WAS ILLEGAL AND JUST WRONG!! My name is Rob Shambro, I am the CEO of GenosTV (www.genos.tv) a global broadband cable operator launching on January 6, 2011 at the Consumer Electronics Show. GoogleTV Invigorates the IPTV Market and Genos' CEO, Rob Shambro, Dissects the AlternativeTV Space. Here is a link to hte article. It was an upstanding, educational release just stating the FACTS in the IPTV marketplace. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/prnewswire/2010/05/21/prnewswire201005211326PR_NEWS_USPR_____AQ08961.html [forbes.com] In the press release I state, "A quick Google search on GoogleTV today, shows very mixed emotions on the service, leaning towards the "not so impressed." A. Do you think I would even dare to say that if it were not true? Absolutely NOT! B. I issued the release around 9am PST. Here is the good part, at around 10 am I go back to Google and do another quick search on GoogleTV and every single negative press article was gone. I could not believe it. C. On top of that the search results were nice and neatly organized in near chronological order! Do they not have to live by their page rank software? I printed out everything, 30 search results pages deep, before and after. The change would have been IMPOSSIBLE using their software. D. My press release above ranked in the top 100 releases for MAY in PRNEWSWIRE. This release was picked up everywhere, yet it’s nowhere to be found on Google unless you absolutely search for it. E. Then I went to Bing.com and did a search on GoogleTV and Google TV and printed out the search results pages, 30 deep. This how their software would display the search results. F. The NUMBER ONE article about GoogleTV is HULU Unlikely to Run on GoogleTV on mashable.com. http://mashable.com/2010/05/20/hulu-google-tv-android/ [mashable.com] In the past I had some negative articles posted by some anonymous people that showed up first every time you did a search on my name. This was like that for years. It has cost me millions of dollars in financing and stress. I almost gave up and never started another company again because of Google.. Just recently a 10 year old negative article that came up first in my search results and CAUSED ME NOT TO GET a $500,000 investment from a local investor. I can prove it. You hear horror stories about Google ruining people's lives because of negative press showing up first in their search results. I am sure I am not alone here!!! I wish I could go into my search results and change them around so they all look positive and neat, JUST LIKE THEY DID. This is NOT fair. You hear about doctors that can not get a single patient because on Google is some old domestic violence case that happened 20 years that comes up first on a search on their name. Google should have to live by the same rules as everyone else. I think this is illegal. They have caused me soo much stress in my life. I am an entrepreneur, I love GOD, I help every person in the world I can, I try to do great things, I really try to create things and put it into motion. I am a doer not a talker yet a simple search on Google throws that all in the trash and makes me out to look like a really bad person. I want answers, compensation and I want the rest of the people around the world to stand up and get behind me on this issue. They are playing with people's lives and yet the first time their software works against them, they log in and delete delete delete, and put positive press first. We all wish we could do that. Thanks for your advice, support and consideration. I just don't know what to do. I am willing to take my licks but they should stand up like a man and deal with the negative free speech that we all have to. Regards, Rob Shambro

Re:GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491748)

Actually, yes, it is ok. As OK as it is for Fox News to show the president getting 2 minutes of silence in a speech in front of soldiers when all other channels showed him getting standing ovations.

More to the point, it is legal. Whether or not it is morally right or wrong, who gives a fuck in this day and age, the fish in the Golf of Mexico or the waterboarded tourists in Gitmo certainly don't.

Re:GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVO (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491754)

tl;dr

lrn 2 paragraph plox

Re:GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491796)

Sorry Rob, life isn't fair. When you run the show you make the rules. Don't kick a hornet's nest unless you're expecting to get stung. And in business, nobody says you gotta fight fair, unless you're a monopoly then you only gotta be fair to both sides of the aisle, not the people. Rome is here again, the only thing is, this time Machiavelli has taught Caesar how to keep the plebs in line for real.

Re:GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVO (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491812)

With grammar and spelling like that, I'm not surprised you couldn't get an investment. I find it funny when people whine about their past coming back to bite them in their ass. Look up the word "reputation", we have a word for that for a reason. If you ever got anywhere in business, the next ting we'd be hearing would be something like, "THE FTC IS SOOOO EVIL! THEY FINED ME MILLIONS BLAH! BLAH! BOO-HOO!" as they put your ass in jail.

Re:GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVO (2)

skam240 (789197) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491826)

Your overuse of caps-lock precludes anyone from taking you seriously. I just thought I'd let you know for any future crazy rants...

Re:GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491852)

Regards,
Rob Shambro

You need a marketing guy Rob. Someone to make sure you don't post such things on das interwebs :p
I really feel for you, I do, but the stress shows in your post. Doesn't look so good for investors. ;)

Best of luck with your venture though! Sounds interesting!

Re:GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVO (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491886)

IS IT OK FOR GOOGLE TO REMOVE NEGATIVE PRESS ABOUT ITSELF, WHILE THE REST OF OUR LIVES ARE EFECTED BY WHAT GOOGLE DISPLAYS ABOUT EACH OF US. THEY HAVE WON IN THE BUSINESS WORLD, BUT NOW THEIR MONOPOLY EFFECTS ALL OF US AND THEY HAVE A FEDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE WORLD TO ACT ETHICALLY AND THEY ARE NOT!!! I NEED HELP AND ADVICE ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT GOOGLE. I THINK WAHT THEY DID WAS ILLEGAL AND JUST WRONG!! My name is Rob Shambro, I am the CEO of GenosTV (www.genos.tv) a global broadband cable operator launching on January 6, 2011 at the Consumer Electronics Show. GoogleTV Invigorates the IPTV Market and Genos' CEO, Rob Shambro, Dissects the AlternativeTV Space. Here is a link to hte article. It was an upstanding, educational release just stating the FACTS in the IPTV marketplace. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/prnewswire/2010/05/21/prnewswire201005211326PR_NEWS_USPR_____AQ08961.html [forbes.com] In the press release I state, "A quick Google search on GoogleTV today, shows very mixed emotions on the service, leaning towards the "not so impressed." A. Do you think I would even dare to say that if it were not true? Absolutely NOT! B. I issued the release around 9am PST. Here is the good part, at around 10 am I go back to Google and do another quick search on GoogleTV and every single negative press article was gone. I could not believe it. C. On top of that the search results were nice and neatly organized in near chronological order! Do they not have to live by their page rank software? I printed out everything, 30 search results pages deep, before and after. The change would have been IMPOSSIBLE using their software. D. My press release above ranked in the top 100 releases for MAY in PRNEWSWIRE. This release was picked up everywhere, yet it’s nowhere to be found on Google unless you absolutely search for it. E. Then I went to Bing.com and did a search on GoogleTV and Google TV and printed out the search results pages, 30 deep. This how their software would display the search results. F. The NUMBER ONE article about GoogleTV is HULU Unlikely to Run on GoogleTV on mashable.com. http://mashable.com/2010/05/20/hulu-google-tv-android/ [mashable.com] In the past I had some negative articles posted by some anonymous people that showed up first every time you did a search on my name. This was like that for years. It has cost me millions of dollars in financing and stress. I almost gave up and never started another company again because of Google.. Just recently a 10 year old negative article that came up first in my search results and CAUSED ME NOT TO GET a $500,000 investment from a local investor. I can prove it. You hear horror stories about Google ruining people's lives because of negative press showing up first in their search results. I am sure I am not alone here!!! I wish I could go into my search results and change them around so they all look positive and neat, JUST LIKE THEY DID. This is NOT fair. You hear about doctors that can not get a single patient because on Google is some old domestic violence case that happened 20 years that comes up first on a search on their name. Google should have to live by the same rules as everyone else. I think this is illegal. They have caused me soo much stress in my life. I am an entrepreneur, I love GOD, I help every person in the world I can, I try to do great things, I really try to create things and put it into motion. I am a doer not a talker yet a simple search on Google throws that all in the trash and makes me out to look like a really bad person. I want answers, compensation and I want the rest of the people around the world to stand up and get behind me on this issue. They are playing with people's lives and yet the first time their software works against them, they log in and delete delete delete, and put positive press first. We all wish we could do that. Thanks for your advice, support and consideration. I just don't know what to do. I am willing to take my licks but they should stand up like a man and deal with the negative free speech that we all have to. Regards, Rob Shambro

lol bitch

Re:GOOGLE MANIPULATES SEARCH RESULTS IN THEIR FAVO (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491960)

any investor with a brain should stay away from you. you have got to be the stupidest son of a bitch on earth to put your part of Infinium Labs in your bio. You "spearheaded" a fake product. That's probably why they didn't give you 500,000. Seems like a waste to give it to you just to not make something. Bravo.

In retaliation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491724)

Google has banned turkey. Google staffers will no longer be allowed to consume the tasty foul on Google property.

As Someone from Turkey there is more to it (5, Informative)

stikves (127823) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491838)

Unfortunately this kind of thing happens all the time, and the government cannot do anything about it. Even the president has criticized the ban last week, but it's all up to the courts.

According to Turkish law, *any* PA can ask for a preliminary injunction to ban *any* web site. The web site has to comply within a month, otherwise TK (which is the telecomunnication authority) will have to block the web site in question. Nobody (including prime minister, or the president) cannot stop the ban (unless the website complies).

So if a person from a small town complains about a web site (for example Youtube, or Blogger), and the PA for that town finds the case worthy, he/she request a court order for the ban. This has actually happened (Blogger was banned since some bloggers published world cup matches, and the local TV stations which bought WC rights have complained).

The Google ban comes from Youtube ban. Previously they only removed youtube.com from DNS servers, but people have installed alternate DNS servers, and all was fine. Now they decided to block based on server IP, which is probably shared with other Google services as well.

Anyways they are trying to amend the law, so that this kinds of bans will be restricted (not just any random PA in any random town), but the best would be abolishing the law altogether.

Turkey (3, Insightful)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491874)

Ah Turkey. When they're poking their finger in Israel's eye, they're the darling of Leftists far and wide. When they censor, ban, and oppress themselves suddenly we're up in arms. Fuck 'em. It's Turkey!

retaliation (3, Funny)

snarkh (118018) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491904)

Google retaliates by banning turkeys.

Obligatory (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32491940)

What a bunch of Turkeys!

*ducks*

Correct use of "censorious?" (1)

swebster (530246) | more than 4 years ago | (#32491966)

I'm not sure that's what the word means...

Google and Facebook have one common properties... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32492018)

founded by Jews.

Connect the dots... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32492022)

* Turkey starts enriching uranium for Iran, saving Iran at the last minute from international sanctions.
* Turkey government puts mercenaries on Gaza flotilla to violently engage Israeli security and push them to the point of drawing arms, then makes a global media carnival on the brutality of Israelis on a peace-activist ship.
* Turkey has been at peace with Israel and its Gaza policies for decades until this governments radical Islamization shift
* Turkey ingaging in promoting the cause of the Hammas, an oppressing, fascist regime which executes those who oppose it and openly supports delivering explosives into civilian population to drive their agenda.
* Turkey bans free speech

Can anyone see a trend here?

On a sombre note, it's now that the world gets to find out if they have a "democracy" or a democracy.

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