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1.5 Trillion?! (5, Funny)

jpedlow (1154099) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497026)

And I used to say MY lawyer was expensive.....

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (5, Insightful)

SIBM (1114319) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497112)

Many of the claims by the record labels are bupkis. It seems to be their business model. Instead of changing and embracing digital tech, they fear it, call it blasphemes, and sue the pants off of dead people et al. If I knew anyone personally who had been sued I'd jump o the piracy bandwagon to, I could not support and industry that will forcefully try to remove money from the people its suppose to cater to. 1.5 T is ridiculous. (I wonder how many sales have been generated by downloaders liking an artist and buying the latest CD?)

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (2)

AltairDusk (1757788) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497134)

From TFA: "Now it looks as though one Kelly M. Klaus (right) of Munger, Tolles & Olson, yet another RIAA posse, wants Wood to order LimeWire owner Mark Gorton to pay $1,500,000,000,000 for 200,000,000 alleged downloads, at $750 per."

$750 per song is absolutely ludicrous, not to mention Mark Gorton is not the one who downloaded 200,000,000 songs...

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (5, Insightful)

Barrinmw (1791848) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497344)

Since when is 750% markup on punishment not cruel or unusual? That is like saying I steal a car, now I owe $15 million to the person I stole it to. True, there are criminal charges with stealing a car, but there would be civil ones as well.

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (2, Funny)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497506)

It's not punishment. It's what they've calculated as the damage you've caused (allowing other users to obtain free copies from you). Now you might not agree with the $750 per song, but if you do something illegally you should pay the base price and also extra for the damages and trouble you've caused.

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (2, Interesting)

Barrinmw (1791848) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497556)

No. It is a civil case and you should only be able to sue in a civil case for the following, money lost, time lost, litigation fees for having to take you to court. The purpose of civil cases are not to punish but to compensate.

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497648)


What is called 'civil' is actually a process to unfairly take stuff away from other people.

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (5, Insightful)

ICLKennyG (899257) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497642)

TFA: $1.5T; 200m downloads @ $750 per
That's not how copyright statutory damages work. It's per work infringed not number of times the work was infringed. You would have to cite that you owned 200,000,000 (or at the very least 600,600) works and that all of them were copied illegally by the proposed system to get that far. Even then it's pretty remote for vicarious/inducement liability. Copyright has statutory damages due to the general rules against presuming damages. Statutory damages are your option if you wish to not prove the exact damages. I wouldn't be surprised if Limewire made a Rule 11 (b) motion to sanction this pleading. It's REALLY POOR. The UPPER limit of the presumable damages for this action are the 30 songs named in the complaint times the ~$250k in statutory damages available. That's ~$7.5M.

Re:1.5 Trillion?! huh (5, Insightful)

garyisabusyguy (732330) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497360)

That value seems out of range, considering that you could finance two wars, clean up the BP spill and probably have enough left over to coat New Orleans in gold leaf...

In most scientific pursuits, getting a value that far out of range would lead a person to conclude that some of their underlying assumptions are invalid and cause them to form a more realistic hypothesis.

Apparently, in the riaa's world it means that they will develop superpowers and start traveling past the speed of light.

freaking morons

Re:1.5 Trillion?! huh (5, Insightful)

gravis777 (123605) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497592)

What should be considered is, if filesharing were not around, at ALL, would their losses equal $1.5 trillion. Do their lawyers understand what a trillion is? I wonder if, in the entire history of the music industry, if they have taken in that much.

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497394)

RIAA Lawyer: Because our clients are fair-minded, understanding and compassionate individuals they will be willing to settle for $0.01 on the dollar. We believe it is an overly generous offer that our staff mathematicians and physicists have valued at $14.7 trillion.

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497482)

I was thinking just that. I seem to remember reading somewhere that you shouldn't just pad your budget, you should multiply it by 1000. If you show 'great self-sacrifice' by taking only 10% (or even 1%) of your initial request you're still going to be laughing for a very long time.

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (2, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497398)

The amount is obviously ridiculous, but it's been pretty obvious for years now that the only people who use limewire are people who are pirating music and people who are distributing viruses in order to create botnets using the computers of people who are pirating music. Limewire basically makes money from other peoples' desire to do something that the courts have repeatedly ruled is illegal, and unless they have some really amazing lawyers they're probably going to lose. They won't pay $1.5 trillion of course, but the RIAA doesn't really want the money, they want to shut down the service (and the company) for good, or at least turn it into a pathetic music industry puppet like Napster became after it lost its court cases.

Of course, Limewire basically makes its money by loading up its users' computers with spyware and other assorted nastiness, so it's not like it would be a huge loss to see them go away.

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (1)

Barrinmw (1791848) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497518)

Now just imagine if the RIAA and MPAA get the ability to somehow handle all these civil cases through arbitration instead of Court cases?

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (5, Insightful)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497550)

My interpretation of the headline:

"RIAA declares LimeWire saved the economy from spending $1.5 Trillion on shitty music it didn't really need, and at least $1.4 Trillion of which wasn't worth listening to a second time anyway"

When the numbers you throw around are significantly larger than your industry's profits from the better part of a century, and start to close in on a fraction of the GDP, you sure make it easy to poke fun at you. Do they really think anyone is going to, for even a second, believe that they would have made $1.5 trillion dollars had it not been for one crappy P2P tool? OMGLOL

Re:1.5 Trillion?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497654)

Actually it was 1.5 Trillion...and a pony!

Deficit reduction! (4, Funny)

siglercm (6059) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497036)

Good! Now the U.S. Gov't. needs to seize RIAA. That'll take a sizable chunk out of our $13+ trillion deficit!

Re:Deficit reduction! (2, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497066)

What world do you live in? Obviously they're Too Big To Fail, and need to be bailed out to the tune of 1.5 trillion.

Re:Deficit reduction! (4, Insightful)

Barrinmw (1791848) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497364)

Heh, I love how there are companies that are "Too Big To Fail" yet they aren't "Too Big to Require Regulation" I dunno about you, but if a single company failing could put us into a recession, then that company should be regulated to prevent that from happening.

Re:Deficit reduction! (4, Funny)

Jurily (900488) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497366)

That'll take a sizable chunk out of our $13+ trillion deficit!

Meh. According to the RIAA, my hard drive is valued over $500 million, but I still have to work for a living.

Btw, anyone wanna buy a hard drive?


kidgenius (704962) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497052)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wow.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA And they expect to get this money how? Are there any corporations around that even have a market cap above a trillion? They might as well ask for a BAJILLION!

They probably did (1)

Wrexs0ul (515885) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497210)

And borrowed Mike Myers to read the statement.

Seriously, does anybody inside the RIAA even believe this is about compensation anymore? It's courtroom theater paid for by the Taxpayer.


Re:They probably did (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497258)

I like that idea, too bad I don't know anyone with his phone number. Or even email address...
(He might be crazy enough to do it for laughs.)

Re:They probably did (2, Interesting)

thepike (1781582) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497424)

If it's theatre that we're paying for, shouldn't we get to watch it? Oh no, we would manipulate [wired.com] it if we could watch it.


Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497614)

According to wikipedia, no [wikipedia.org] , the largest market cap in the world is 460 billion. If it was a country, it'd be in 9th [wikipedia.org] place according to the IMFs list between Brazil and Spain. P.S. This lawsuit is actually lower than in 2006, when they sued AllOfMp3 for 1.65 trillion [slashdot.org] .

Only a Few Trill, Huh? (1)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497064)

I didn't realize that the RIAA would let them off so easily. Oh well, LimeWire can always appeal and get it kicked up to a couple vigintillion a la Jammie Thomas.

Re:Only a Few Trill, Huh? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497336)

Exactly. I mean, whats a few Trill nowadays? I'm sure every company has a trill or two just lying around, pocket change.

Seriously though, what would happen if they won it? Limewire would no doubt be disbanded, and if they manage to dump it on the founder, his great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great Grandchildren are going to hate him for it.

Re:Only a Few Trill, Huh? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497628)

Actually, the money would come from the estate. And if the estate didn't have the money, which I can pretty much guarantee you it won't, the rest just gets written off. Unless one of his heirs is stupid enough to do something that makes them liable for some or all the remainder. Which chances are won't happen because nobody's going to voluntarily give the RIAA money without at least receiving a threatening letter.

Respond appropriately (3, Funny)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497084)

The appropriate response to such a statement is a delivery of mint Monopoly® bills to the sum of 1.5 trillion.

Re:Respond appropriately (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497138)

Yeah, cause the best way to respond is to do something that is guaranteed to piss off the court and get yourself into a bigger mess.

Re:Respond appropriately (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497586)

For example, freeze his Blackberry, which freezes the ice water in his veins. Use the time in the Jug to write a book on how to Mega forget.

Re:Respond appropriately (2, Insightful)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497640)

Yeah, cause the best way to respond is to do something that is guaranteed to piss off the court and get yourself into a bigger mess.

What are they going to do? Throw you in prison? Oh noes, contempt of court charges! You can take the fine out of my bank account that is currently overdrawn to the tune of $-1,500,000,000,000.00

If you ever put me that far into debt, it's like tunneling through the world and coming out the other side, the punishment loops around. You have set the punishment to such a ridiculous level that you have effectively made me my own sovereign entity since nothing you can do starts to approach what you have already done.

And no, I don't consider threat of prison to be greater than eternal slavery.

Re:Respond appropriately (4, Interesting)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497350)

No, send a couple Zimbabwe trillion dollar bills, then demand half a trillion in change.

Re:Respond appropriately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497484)

This only works, apparently, if the bills are Nigerian...

Not racist, just sayin'

Re:Respond appropriately (1)

stei7766 (1359091) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497356)

So, there's $20,580 in one monopoly game (http://www.monopoly-man.com/money/). At $16.63 for one monopoly game (http://www.amazon.com), thats:

1e12/20580*16.63 = $1.2 billion

More fun with big numbers:
2.2 pounds/game * 1e12/20580 = 53000 tons
16 inches/game * 1e12/20580 = 12000 miles laid end to end

Re:Respond appropriately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497638)

My kingdom for a mod point!

Making Shit Up (3, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497088)

If this isn't as clear an example of how the RIAA is making shit up as they go along, I don't know what it will take. They keep coming up with outrageous numbers and nobody blinks. So they come up with bigger numbers, and get away with it. And bigger numbers, and they get paid. And bigger numbers, and laws change. And now they are saying one company owes them $1.5 TRILLION. This has got to be the point where sane people around the world finally say "What? That's a joke, right? Please say that's a joke."

People are going to say that, right?

Re:Making Shit Up (1)

AlexiaDeath (1616055) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497298)

They are. in droves. But all you need is 12 stooges who won't and the next thing you know RIAA is awarded 1.5 trillion payout.

Not making shit up (4, Informative)

l2718 (514756) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497422)

Under US Copyright law, damage awards are not necessarily connected to actual damages. The court is given a range (the range depends on whether the infringement is "wilful"), and may assign any damages it considers just from that range -- the plaintiff doesn't have to prove their actual damages. These statutory damages are figured out per act of infringement and the top of the range can be $150,000. To get the $1.5T figure the RIAA is arguing that LimeWire has contributed to 10M cases of infringement, and should be forced to pay the maximum penalty of $150K per. According to US law they are free to make this claim, but the court doesn't have to accept it. There is an argument that too wide a disparity between the actual damages (no more than $0.20 per downloaded song) and the damage award (say, the $9000 per download that has been awarded in a particular file-sharing case) might violate the Due Process Clause of the (14th Amendment to) the Constitution, but there is no definite Supreme Court precedent on that.

Re:Making Shit Up (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497510)

It's funny how made up numbers always seem to round out.

There were 200,000,000 not 193,064,901?

I think it shows that they really have not done their homework and they are pulling these numbers completely out of their ass.

I think they should be required to justify every single penny that they are requesting. Every penny, hell with that $750 per violation, actual damages, not punitive damages.

We've been laughing at you for years... (5, Interesting)

fantomas (94850) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497554)

"This has got to be the point where sane people around the world finally say "What? That's a joke, right? Please say that's a joke."
Trust me buddy, lots of us round the world have been having a good laugh at what the crazy Americans do for years. We'll just add it to the long list of why we think your nation is mad.

Nothing personal, we know most of you are lovely fine folk. But you've sure got your share of idiots that we're happy are an ocean away from us.

It just gets scary when our leaders import daft ideas they hear from your idiots, so please keep them quiet. Our politicians keep on copying them and try to better them. Please don't give our politicians any more ideas.

In case anybody still took them seriously... (5, Informative)

bcmm (768152) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497092)

For a sense of scale, that rather silly number is about a thousand times the annual revenue of EMI. Also, this page [pagetutor.com] feels kinda relevant.

Re:In case anybody still took them seriously... (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497604)

I wonder if lawsuit had passed the stage where the judge can declare it frivolous.

Obviously (5, Interesting)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497098)

It should be clear to anyone that the damage caused by Limewire dwarf those from, say, BP.

Also, the RIAA is full of retards. No offense to people with actual disabilities, mind you, unless they work at the RIAA.

At least, that's what an RIAA lawyer says. (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497104)

I read it as :

At least, that's what a bald headed RIAA lawyer, his pinky to his mouth, and demanding sharks with laser beams says. His name is Dr. Evil, JD.

Mr Burns (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497108)

Unless Mr. Burns owns Limewire, I doubt they'll ever see even a tiny fraction of that $1,500,000,000,000.

That's 10% of the US GDP (4, Informative)

macklin01 (760841) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497116)

Wow, by this google search [google.com] , that amounts to just over 10% of the entire US GDP. Glad somebody's been genuinely productive this year.

Re:That's 10% of the US GDP (1)

Kenoli (934612) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497316)

Even assuming massive guilt on limewire's part, how could they have possibly arrived at such an outrageous amount? Did they add like six extra zeros by mistake?

In that case (1)

symes (835608) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497148)

By that standard of reasoning I shall now submit a claim to the RIAA for $1.75 quadrillion for inflicting me with what I can only describe as unwanted noisey rhythm.

One TRILLION dollars! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497150)

Did the lawyer hold his pinky finger to the corner of his mouth and go MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! as well?

And BP owes 75 million? (5, Interesting)

copponex (13876) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497172)

You know, the justice system is at least supposed to give the illusion of justice in order to work. Apparently I can destroy the ecosystem of a good 20% of the American coastline and pay 20,000 times less than a company that made P2P file sharing easier.

What. The. Fuck.

Re:And BP owes 75 million? (1)

medcalf (68293) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497368)

Category error. You are comparing the unadjudicated claim of a litigant against a law that imposes a liability cap. Apples and oranges, as it were.

Re:And BP owes 75 million? (1)

aekafan (1690920) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497416)

What that means if that the government passed a law to cap the damages that these corporations pay for such actions, which is BS. I think they should be allowed to drill, but should pay for every frickin cent they are liable for. More government work in action

Re:And BP owes 75 million? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497622)

Sooo....you actually think LimeWire is going to pay $1.5 trillion? These are theoretical damages. It will just be a piece of paper filed somewhere with a number on it. It has little real-world impact. I promise you, BP will pay a lot more than the RIAA will get from this little company.

in my best Dr. Evil tone.... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497188)

Places pinky to corner of mouth and says......You owe one TRILLLLLION dollars.....

Let's do the math here (4, Insightful)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497190)

The music and movie industries earn somewhere around $35B/year in revenue, last I heard. Let's up that, with inflation, to $50B/year. How do they expect anyone to believe that Limewire alone has denied them 30 years worth of revenues in a span of about a decade?

Claims like this only serve to make normal people think they're pathological liars that deserve to be robbed blind.

Re:Let's do the math here (1)

ChefInnocent (667809) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497362)

It might, assuming a normal person even paid any attention to their claims. Truth is though, few will pay any attention and fewer will care.

Re:Let's do the math here (1)

jabbathewocket (1601791) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497498)

Its not got anything to do with that it has to do with statutory damages of 750$ per song based on the other inflated 200,000,000 illegal downloads facilitated by limewire..

This is the same 750$ per song number that they use vs private parties to come up with outrageous scare letters saying "if we win in court you owe us 200,000$, but we will settle for 20,000"

Re:Let's do the math here (4, Funny)

schon (31600) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497524)

Well *obviously* they only made $50B/year because Limewire is stealing all their income! So if Limewire hadn't existed, they would have made every penny of that $1.5 Trillion. And don't try telling me that it's absurd that they would be owed 10% of the entire US GDP. GDP is only a measure of economic output, so obviously if Limewire hadn't stolen all that money, and it had gone to EMI instead, the GDP would have been $1.5 Trillion more than it was!

And since it's known that EMI's revenue is a tiny fraction of the US's GDP, we can only conclude that the GDP would have been several thousands of times higher than it was.


Funny Money (4, Interesting)

longacre (1090157) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497192)

$1.5 trillion is more than the combined revenue of every RIAA member in this history of the world.

Right... (1)

AlexiaDeath (1616055) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497202)

The sad thing is... the US courts may agree because they are buying into the whole 1 copy = 1 lost sale, at market value and the insane numbers this pseudo evaluation gives. If this spreads outside US with treaties I will indeed lose hope in humanity.

Stop it at its source (5, Insightful)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497248)

This ridiculousness needed to be stopped at its source. Artists should have stopped signing on with the RIAA at least a decade ago. They are not needed. Even as a hobby, these days, you can afford to self-produce with your own studio, if you are so inclined.

No artists == no product == no RIAA.

Are you sure it's not one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497268)

... and are you sure it's not billion?

Probably induced by North Korea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497302)

My guess is they were upset not having the most absurd declaration of the month...

"Losing" money (1)

flabordec (984984) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497306)

This kind of things always make me shudder, they estimate the money they might have made had they lived in medieval times or something. It is similar to "losing an election": you never had the election, you never won, you cannot lose it. You cannot lose money you never had.

What orifice are you using to talk to me with? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497330)

Okay, if the lawyer of the RIAA says this to a judge with a straight face and the judge doesn't literally LAUGH this guy out of court, I am going to take a loaded gun to my head and pull the trigger because it just proves I am not really crazy, these people are.

Pay in Zimbabwe currency- only a cool 3Billion (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497386)

By my calculations of the Zimbabwean dollar that would be about $3 Billion. Still a bit steep though.

Comparing the damages. (1)

KenDiPietro (1294220) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497390)

Using this scale of damage assessment, (developed by the seized marijuana assaying department) I'm guessing BP owes the world roughly eleventy brazillion dollars.

Re:Comparing the damages. (2, Funny)

bb5ch39t (786551) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497584)

NO, NO, NO. BP does not owe anybody anything. The residents of the states owe BP for the oil that their land is illegally impeding from being delivered to Europe via a non standard shipping method!

How can a service be guilty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497402)

Limewire with all it's trojans, is definately a public service. Shouldn't the people who downloaded from limewire be treated as a whole?

RIAA are idiots (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497404)

For that kind of money, LimeWire can put out contracts on all RIAA's lawyers and officers, and still have lots of money left over for all their officers to afford a comfortable retirement in a country with no extradition treaty with the United States... This is strictly an observation. I am not advocating such action, and I am sure it is quite illegal. So don't try this kids...

All part of the plan... (3, Interesting)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497464)

  1. Establish that you're owed $1.5 TRILLION
  2. Extend that to the means of transfer: MS and Apple
  3. Sue them and settle for, say, 10% of your claim?
  4. Chuckle maniacially to the bank!

At a guess (1)

Bertie (87778) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497472)

That's more than every RIAA member put together has made since the organisation was founded.

So trying to argue that that's how much better off they'd be if only Limewire didn't exist is transparently dumb.

Why do they think this line of argument is going to help their case?

Put the RIAA out of business (1)

cjonslashdot (904508) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497492)

The RIAA's logic is based on the absurd idea that a download equates to a loss.

As if each person who downloaded a song would have made a purchase, had P2P not been available.


And also based on the assumption that each copy of a song actually has tangible value, like a physical product.

Absurd again.

The best we can do to fight this is to put the RIAA sponsor companies out of business. Only buy independent music.

off the deep end (4, Interesting)

Triv (181010) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497508)

...what the fuck are they smoking.

The current US Gross Domestic Product is in the vicinity of 14 trillion dollars.

The RIAA honestly believes that Limewire owes them 10% of all the wealth produced by the United States in a year.

The RIAA was always living in their own little fantasy world, but I didn't realize the depth of their delusion until now.

This has to stop.

RIAA shoots self in foot, I think (4, Interesting)

Aim Here (765712) | more than 3 years ago | (#32497552)

Think about it. The RIAA's usual claim is that every downloaded file is a lost sale. and damages should be calculated based on that. Now by asking for this ludicrious figure, they've just put the lie to that previous assertion, since there is absolutely no way in hell that the general public could, or would have paid for $1 trillion worth of their products.

On the other hand, they've just claimed that Limewire has increased the net digital wealth of the world by something of the order of well over $1 trillion, something the RIAA could never have done by themselves. Way to go, Limewire!

1 Trillion. That's nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32497582)

That's nothing, LimeWire's Dad owes my Dad 80 trillion million dollars!

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