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What Gamers Have In Common With Top Athletes

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the we're-all-totally-xtreme dept.

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nk497 writes "It's no surprise that professional gamers aren't quite as fit as elite athletes, but they do have something in common. According to a British academic, top-level players show similar psychological attributes as top athletes, such as the ability to manage anxiety, and have reaction times on par with fighter pilots. Dr. Micklewright said, 'When I first got asked to do [the study], my initial reaction was "don't be ridiculous, gaming is nothing like sport." But the more I thought about it, the more similarities [became clear], and I became more and more convinced that it was close in many ways to sport.' While sitting in front of a screen might not have the same physical demands as running a marathon, neither do playing snooker or darts. Still, while gamers show good reflexes, their health was worse than expected, with one 20-something professional player showing the same aerobic health as a 60-year-old smoker." This story is based on a BBC radio report which you can currently hear, although that link seems to say that it won't last.

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Frosty Non-PC Piss (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32497840)

Why did the nigger commit suicide? Because somebody tossed a bucket of KFC into traffic.

Take that back! (5, Funny)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#32497852)

I may be a gamer, but my right hand has the stamina of an 18 year old!

Re:Take that back! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498634)

But you're 12!

Re:Take that back! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498650)

"my right hand has the stamina of an 18 year old!"

What has that got to do with gaming? We're talking about a different joystick.

Re:Take that back! (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498720)

Yeah, but you have to watch out for those Repetitive Stress Injuries.

nothing wrong here (0, Offtopic)

scharkalvin (72228) | more than 4 years ago | (#32497868)

AS long as Google still shows OTHER hits for such searches I would say let BP pay Google through their nose to get their links to the top of the list.

Re:nothing wrong here (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32497934)

I've never heard of that game, is it new?

Re:nothing wrong here (5, Funny)

devour (1785360) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498120)

Clicked the wrong topic, eh? Don't worry, BP bashing is always relevant on the internet!

Re:nothing wrong here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32499856)

Clicked the wrong topic, eh? Don't worry, BP bashing is always relevant on the internet!

Like shooting fish in an oil barrel.

How to stay healthy while gaming (1, Offtopic)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32497890)

Many of them are obvious suggestions, but here are some tips on how to stay healthy while gaming [livingwithanerd.com] . I hope it helps some of you folks out.

Mods, please mod this post offtopic or troll due to website pumping.

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32497994)

You don't have to ask me twice! :)

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498410)

You're an AC; you don't have any mod points!

Yeah, I know, you could be a member posting AC so your mod points stick. But then the joke wouldn't be funny... not that it would anyway...

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498788)

Yeah, I know, you could be a member posting AC so your mod points stick.

Nope, they don’t stick. I’ve tried it.

It doesn’t even warn you that your moderation will be invalidated if you post anonymously. Verify it by opening the CID link afterward... the moderation is gone.

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32499136)

I didn't have any mod points today sadly. I said it because I don't like Pojut much, every second or third post of his is just him fishing for hits to his shitty blog I find.

And Clone is correct, mod points don't stick if you post, even as AC.

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (0, Offtopic)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499234)

didn't have any mod points today sadly. I said it because I don't like Pojut much, every second or third post of his is just him fishing for hits to his shitty blog I find.

My karma says otherwise. But hey, no biggie...can't please everyone!

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32499998)

He forgot to mention that the rest of your shitty posts are either offtopic or just plain wrong. Maybe you should go to school and learn about computers, then come back.

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (0)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499386)

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32499614)

An unimpressive example of the effectiveness of goal-oriented behavior.

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (2, Interesting)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498344)

If you're going to plug yourself, at least set up a webcam.

*pause for laughter*

Seriously though, I think there are a lot of physical activities that gamers would enjoy if they just put forth the effort to go and try them. For example, I own just about every Star Wars game there is, and I'm pretty big on medieval settings.

There was a thing this past weekend at the local military museum, which had preformers of warriors from all era's, ancient Roman Gladiators, Vikings, Crusaders, Imperialistic, civil war, WW2, you name it. For me, it was interesting to watch the Gladiators face off and to watch the knights have duels. As a fun activity, they were giving beginner sword fighting lessons to people willing, in a full suit of chainmail. Complete with all the fixings, leather gloves, a tabard, iron helmet, greaves, pauldrons...

It was a very intense workout, just running around swinging a sword. I think I may try it again, should I get more time. I think its things like that (not necessarily the only case), that there are physical activities gamers might enjoy but they... well... don't...

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498414)

A few of my friends who have far less long-term injuries than I do (vertabrae fusion, wrist/knee/hip problems, and more) are active participants in the local LARP and/or Dagorhir communities. Every one of them is in awesome shape.

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (2, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499488)

Seriously though, I think there are a lot of physical activities that gamers would enjoy

This might sound crazy, but I've found that my gaming skills have improved over the years, thank in part to my study of tai chi chuan.

I used to notice that I'd get all cramped up with painful hands and feet after a half-hour of playing a game (or just sitting at my computer, for that matter). I'm older than the average gamer, and I found that no matter which online game I tried, I'd be one of the worst players in the game.

My ability to sustain relaxed attentiveness, along with the improved mental processes that come from the study and practice of tai chi have helped me to improve across a wide variety of gaming types. Now I find that I learn the game more quickly and am more able to be competitive. With some games, like Modern Warfare 2 or Borderlands, my ability to focus better and react faster have made me surprisingly good, not just for my age, but for any age. In games like Eve Online, I am more patient and seem to be able to process more information.

Outside of gaming, the improvements in function and enjoyment have been even greater. If any of you would like to become more fit as well as more relaxed, healthy and balanced, I would highly recommend taking the time to find a good tai chi teacher and give it a chance. It's not very hard at the beginning and the benefits come very quickly. I see all types of athletes in the school in which I study and they all say that tai chi has improved their respective game. There have been some recent studies that show tai chi increases the body's production of HGH and improves cardio-respiratory function. They used to believe that you had to raise your heart rate to improve your cardio fitness and stamina, but it turns out that's not the case.

Re:How to stay healthy while gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32499602)

*Lightning bolt" *Lightning bolt* *Lightning bolt" *Lightning bolt* *Lightning bolt" *Lightning bolt*

Ha, yeah, no thanks.

Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (1)

Asshat_Nazi (946431) | more than 4 years ago | (#32497904)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.
You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER
Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.
Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.
Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 75 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include: 1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing. 2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one). 3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit. 4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood. 5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.
Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS - MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE
Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN
They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?
Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER BITCHES ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".
Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. - WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?
A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.
What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd. WOW!

IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE?
They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD
And you were expecting what?

SHOULD I STORE MY DEAD NIGGER?
When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? .That's because there ain't no goddamn sign.

Simple (0, Troll)

drumcat (1659893) | more than 4 years ago | (#32497980)

Not much.

Real life sports. (4, Funny)

jack2000 (1178961) | more than 4 years ago | (#32497986)

Bah, who needs em. I'm going to have better sports. With blackjack,alcohol and hookers. Infact forget the sports.

Re:Real life sports. (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498240)

Just define blackjack to be a sport, it's certainly no worse than poker. One down, two creative rewrites to go.

They meet girls through their hobby (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498018)

Athletes meet cheerleaders and gamers meet avatars, and those avatars are probably better looking than the cheerleaders. And don't tell me I'm sexist because there is almost no chance that you are 1) female, 2) heterosexual, 3) a gamer, and 4) reading this post.

Re:They meet girls through their hobby (1)

mightyQuin (1021045) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498212)

Yes on all four. Can I call you sexist now?

Re:They meet girls through their hobby (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498818)

Are you single? If so, you can call me anything you want!

Re:They meet girls through their hobby (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498276)

Athletes meet cheerleaders and gamers meet avatars, and those avatars are probably better looking than the cheerleaders.

So, I get to choose between an average-looking cheerleader (read: above average by any usual standard of attractiveness) and an incredibly sexy female avatar (who’s played by a man in real life)...

Re:They meet girls through their hobby (0, Flamebait)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498614)

Oh, in the case of my daughter who is constantly picking up men online, a 9-year old girl. But then, she actually is an AllStar cheerleader with muscle tone the other cheerleaders' moms envy, just a little young to be legal.

Re:They meet girls through their hobby (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499950)

Athletes meet cheerleaders and gamers meet avatars, and those avatars are probably better looking than the cheerleaders. And don't tell me I'm sexist because there is almost no chance that you are 1) female, 2) heterosexual, 3) a gamer, and 4) reading this post.

This may come as a shock to you, but there have been real women on the Internet for a while now.

Unpopular answer (5, Insightful)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498024)

They both get overpaid to play a game.

Re:Unpopular answer (4, Interesting)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498096)

I was going to go for something more along the lines of "both serve no purpose to society other than entertainment", but yours fits, too.

On the other hand, are they the 'top athletics' and 'top players' because they have the coordination and ability to handle stress, or did becoming the 'top X' cause them to gain these abilities? I suspect it's the former and they served only to train them a bit.

I'm a diehard gamer, but I'm not foolish enough to think it's anything other than pointless entertainment, just like almost all hobbies.

Re:Unpopular answer (2, Informative)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498430)

I'm a diehard gamer, but I'm not foolish enough to think it's anything other than pointless entertainment, just like life.

TWGFTFY :P

Re:Unpopular answer (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498206)

define overpaid.

They get what they can get. They bring in a lot of money to the owners, why not charge that much?

Re:Unpopular answer (5, Funny)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498524)

Overpaid: the quality or attribute of someone else being paid more than I am.

Re:Unpopular answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498686)

"define overpaid."

Actually everyone is confused about this issue, the reason people get paid so much has to do with the law of large numbers and NOT because thats "what they can get", it's just an artifact of having a large population and no tax on percentage of high money volume, which is desperately needed but of course which will never happen do to human greed.

Re:Unpopular answer (0, Flamebait)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498242)

They both get overpaid to play a childs game.

Almost no one watches real athletes like mountain climbers, weight lifters, soldiers qualifications courses, or deep sea divers. No one watches real gamers like hard core strategic wargamers. Just big steroid addicts playing kids ball games, and twitchy shooters.

Another similarity is the media coverage is scripted to an intellectual level that makes a typical Noggin/Nick Jr/PBS Sprout cartoon sound like PHD thesis material. Ever catch some ESPN while working out in the gym? All simple one syllable words, lots of grunting.

Re:Unpopular answer (1, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498568)

Seriously? Football players aren't real athletes? Let see you take a hit from a 280 pound person that moves like a gazelle.

You comments is stupid.

All simple one syllable words, lots of grunting.

SO your argument build down to a poorly worded ad hom attack. You might want o rethink criticizing other peoples intellect until you've sharpened your ability to have a discussion.

You sound like someone who insults mathematicians because you don't understand the subject.

.

Re:Unpopular answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498742)

so we should pay them multiple millions of dollars cause they are too stupid to do anything else with their lives but to make us laugh while they chase a ball like dogs

fuck football players, even if 99% of them were not juiced up thugs too pussy to do anything real or meaningful

Re:Unpopular answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32499108)

so we should pay them multiple millions of dollars cause they are too stupid to do anything else with their lives but to make us laugh while they chase a ball like dogs

Straw man arguments are lies.

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

Bakkster (1529253) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499396)

so we should pay them multiple millions of dollars cause they are too stupid to do anything else with their lives but to make us laugh while they chase a ball like dogs

Should? Probably not. But people do pay to watch football (either through tickets of ad revenue), so I'd rather the players got their fair share of such a lucrative entertainment industry, rather than it all going towards promoters.

fuck football players, even if 99% of them were not juiced up thugs too pussy to do anything real or meaningful

Says the AC posting on Slashdot. How does that compute to let you judge others for being 'pussy' or not making meaningful contributions?

Re:Unpopular answer (1, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499034)

Football players aren't real athletes? Let see you take a hit from a 280 pound person that moves like a gazelle.

So, a little old lady whom takes a hit by a 3K pound car must be approximately ten times more of a "real" athlete than a football player?

You might want o rethink criticizing other peoples intellect until you've sharpened your ability to have a discussion.

You sound like someone who insults mathematicians because you don't understand the subject

I'm referring to the intellectual level of the coverage on ESPN, and to some extent the culture of willful stupidity that surrounds it. Try watching it sometime. Note, I used to be highly interested in football, watch all the Packers games. Its a game of considerable tactical maneuvering, strategic insight, logistical long term planning. That's what I got out of it, anyway. What I see in ESPN and media sports coverage in general is a bunch of "grunt grunt yell look at that hit grunt grunt" on to the next story, probably about the soap opera drama of the players, which actually has nothing to do with the game or sports itself. There's too much junk to filter to bother watching anymore.

You comments is stupid.

Well sorry if I hit a little too close to home with you. I'll stick to less controversial topics, like bashing religion and race in the future. Geeze. It's just a kids game, nothing to get worked up about.

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

uniquegeek (981813) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499348)

I'd watch hockey if it wasn't boxing. If I wanted to go see boxing, I'd go to a boxing match.

Right.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32500074)

Youtube Pavel Datsyuk or Ovechkin and tell me that hockey is boxing..

Yeah, there are fights in hockey, but there normally it isn't like there is a fight a game.

I played hockey and football growing up, football was so easy it was sickening. Watching a play unfold was simple...

In hockey you are moving at 25 MPH (easy) and the goalies are stopping pucks moving at 90+MPH...

Hockey is nothing like boxing, very few players get paid to fight anymore, most are paid for goals or a nice +/-...

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499928)

So, a little old lady whom[sic] takes a hit by a 3K pound car must be approximately ten times more of a "real" athlete than a football player?

If she actually takes the hit, and stops the car in its tracks, instead of being critically injured by it, then yes, she's ten times Brian Urlacher in my eyes.

Re:Unpopular answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32499158)

Seriously? Football players aren't real athletes? Let see you take a hit from a 280 pound person that moves like a gazelle.

A 280 lb rugby player might move like a gazelle. A 280 lb football player moves like a morbidly obese gazelle.

Re:Unpopular answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32499688)

Do you mean handegg players?

Re:Unpopular answer (4, Informative)

srussia (884021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498618)

Almost no one watches real athletes like mountain climbers, weight lifters, soldiers qualifications courses, or deep sea divers.

Well, no true Scotsman does.

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499082)

Nice reference.

By extension, I posit that the only true sports are the caber toss, the stone put, and golf.

Re:Unpopular answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498756)

"Child's game" does not mean "game that I don't like". And yes, that IS what you were saying.

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498774)

They both get overpaid to play a childs game.

Almost no one watches real athletes like mountain climbers, weight lifters, soldiers qualifications courses, or deep sea divers. No one watches real gamers like hard core strategic wargamers. Just big steroid addicts playing kids ball games, and twitchy shooters.

I don't know how old you are, or what kind of shape you believe to be in, but I would counter your argument with "Try to play any of these kids ball games". It actually does take skill. I am, of course, referring to AmFootball, Baseball, Basketball, etc. and my personal favorite - soccer. Played well, any of these are physically demanding and require a fair amount of mental skill as well.

The fact that we tend to take these sports as entertainment is something altogether different.

But yes, I think some pro athletes - the same ones we follow in tabloids just as we do any other celebrity - are overpaid. I also think the overpaid ones are no longer in their respective sports for their love of said sport, rather they stay in it for the money/fame.

Yeah, I'm generalizing.

Re:Unpopular answer (0, Flamebait)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499476)

I would counter your argument with "Try to play any of these kids ball games". It actually does take skill.

OK, I play kids games. My personal specialty, which happens to be "hide n seek", when compared to:

AmFootball, Baseball, Basketball, etc. and my personal favorite - soccer.

demonstrates the sillyness of adults taking a kids game too seriously. Its just a kids game.

Nothing wrong with playing kids games with the kids, or joining an amateur league to meet people and/or an excuse to drink some beer after the game and/or an excuse for cardiovascular fitness.

I'm making fun of something entirely different, the pro athletes and fans that take those kids games waaaaaay too seriously, the sports media that (exclusively?) narrowcasts at a room temperature IQ level, the dumb arguments that if it doesn't involve a ball like object flying thru the air its not a "real sport" etc.

Any time you hear someone live or on TV yelling and screaming about some sports related topic, hey, its just a kids game.

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498808)

and twitchy shooters

Look up some videos of Daigo Umehara playing Street Fighter. Many people underestimate the level of intellect that goes in to playing Street Fighter (playing it well, anyhow), and I guarantee he's smarter than you.

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498914)

Almost no one watches real athletes like mountain climbers, weight lifters, soldiers qualifications courses, or deep sea divers.

A few points:

Mountain climbers and soldiers, I'll give you ;)

I lift weights. Weights are easy, it just takes the right pattern of reps at a certain percentage of your maximum, and good nutrition, to see gains (especially when beginning, and by the time you hit plateus you're probably already a monster). They're pretty much equivalent to playing any RPG where all you need is time to gain XP.

SCUBA diving is another one I've done. There were loads of old guys in the club and they even described it as an "old man's sport". You need basically no strength apart from when you're getting back into the boat. It's all just about controlling your buoyancy and monitoring your air supplies, and not ascending too quickly at the end. The rest of the time you're almost weightless and it requires very little effort. Deep sea diving on different types of gas is a bit more complex, but it's still not going to take an elite athlete to do it, just someone with a cool head and a lot of diving experience.

No one watches real gamers like hard core strategic wargamers. Just big steroid addicts playing kids ball games, and twitchy shooters.

I actually think some people probably still do watch Starcraft tournaments and the like but I'm not sure; I've always found those types of game to be boring as hell. I love turn based strategy games like Chess and Risk so it's not that I dislike strategy games per se, but I just find realtime strategy games annoying. I can do okay on them, but I just don't really enjoy the rushing for resources nor having to be a "manager", I prefer to be part of the action. Twitchy FPS games are simply fun, and you do still need to be strategic to do well. Even after I stopped playing CS for a few years, I tried it again one time and was still able to do okay despite my aim being very rusty, simply because I knew the levels and played relatively intelligently.

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499262)

I lift weights.

The "sportyness" is in the endless practicing and learning how not to damage joints, tendons, ligaments, etc. Eating the right foods, supplements, etc. Balancing lifting with at least some cardio to get the fat percentage low enough. Also there is some real world utility to being strong, its more "serious" or "adult" than moving a ball around by kicking it or tossing it.

SCUBA diving

My mistake, I meant the guys whom are paid huge money to weld, repair ships, work on shallow water offshore oil facilities, etc. Those dudes are hard core athletes, the muscular ability required is way beyond watching the tropical fish from underwater. The kind of guy whom relaxes when he gets out of the water, not when hes in the water.

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

dward90 (1813520) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498492)

How much money do professional gamers make? A friend of mine played top-tier MLG games for money for a while, but he barely covered his travel expenses. Assuming 8-hour days, he didn't even make minimum wage. How many gamers make enough money that gaming is their only source of income? Athletes? Hint: there are way more athletes.

Re:Unpopular answer (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499316)

They're both whiny bitches with overinflated egos?

Gaming+exercise=??? (5, Insightful)

ndogg (158021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498084)

Since it's been shown that aerobic exercise can improve reaction time [nih.gov] , I can't help but wonder how much better of gamers they would be if they also exercised a bit as well. They wouldn't need to go to a gym. Just some running, or crunches, or something on a regular basis would help, I would bet.

Re:Gaming+exercise=??? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32499162)

No kidding. Years ago when I played Quake 3 professionally I had regular workouts and they helped a lot. Especially with fatigue and such, really keeps your mind sharp. I think it also helps prevent RSI type problems.

Similar to how race car drivers or golf players lift weights (although maybe not obvious, race car drivers undergo a great deal of physical stress; another hobby of mine). Strength helps in many ways, including gaming.

Re:Gaming+exercise=??? (1)

AthleteMusicianNerd (1633805) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499564)

A lot of football players play A LOT of video games. Ray Lewis plays like 8 hours a day.

Sports injuries... (3, Insightful)

PPalmgren (1009823) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498126)

Sports typically have one or two major common injuries associated with them, like knee damage for cross country skiing. I wonder if this will show on gamers in 20 or 30 years.

I'm specifically interested if mental problems occur later in life from over-use of the brain. Some gamers typically work a mental job, then come home and engage in 5-6 hours of very mentally intensive activity. Your brain gets hammered pretty heavily over the course of a day.

Another possibility is eye damage. During intense gaming sessions I notice that I dry my eyes out repeatedly focusing by not blinking during specific events. I wonder if this will effect me in 20 years. On another note, most gamers I've met have the same vision as me and we can wear each other's glasses without issue.

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498172)

Sports typically have one or two major common injuries associated with them, like knee damage for cross country skiing. I wonder if this will show on gamers in 20 or 30 years.

Wrist and tendon issues are fairly common amongst older gamers, although these can be prevented to a certain degree by stretching your hands properly and taking breaks.

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498514)

You know, I was developing sore wrists from typing at a keyboard all day when I started my first job. I bought a wrist brace to help manage my ergnomics, but that got pretty old fast. You know what I figured out? You can work out your wrist, strengthen it, and this will help nullify some of the wrist/tendon issues from excessive keyboard or gaming work. I started doing pull-ups (knuckles turned outwards, away from the body) which really help to strengthen the forearm and the wrist. I also started using some of those squeeze torsion spring things to increase my grip. Since I started actually building the muscle and using the tendons and ligaments in my forearms and wrists and hands, all of the old pain and wear from over-using a keyboard went away. I'll bet hardcore gamers could benefit from similar exercises...

Plus you get the added benefit of having forearms like Popeye, and that just looks damn tough.

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

Bicx (1042846) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498372)

I've played computer/video games ever since I was a small child, and at age 23, I also work a as a software dev. I can no longer wear contacts due to my poor eye health, even though I've worn them for 7 years. Right now, if I put contacts in my eyes for one day, my eyes will be red all the next day. Continued use will cause extreme redness, blurry vision, and sensitivity to light. I don't have direct proof of the cause, but I suspect my eyes have sustained damage from several years of wearing contacts with dry eyes, and I suspect the dry eyes came from staring at a screen for hours on end. I recently invested in a decent pair of glasses that I'll be switching to indefinitely.

Re:Sports injuries... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498482)

Sounds very familiar to the same situation I was going through (I'm 26). I had the same sensitivity issues and had to stop wearing contacts, and I got Lasik surgery last week.

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498660)

It's a bit too late now, but from a young age I've always kept a poster with some words on it at the opposite end of the room I game in. Every hour or so, I'll look away to the poster and read it three times over before going back to the screen. Focusing on a static image that is far away helps keep your eyes from "locking in" to near-focus mode.

Still, the number one thing that helps alleviate most gaming-related problems (other than weight) are frequent breaks. I try to walk away for five minutes every hour, two at the most. This makes a bigger difference than you might think.

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499718)

I try to walk away for five minutes every hour, two at the most. This makes a bigger difference than you might think.

This is also vital for deep vein thrombosis prevention, spinal posture related issues, keeping properly hydrated, the eyestrain issue you already mentioned... Also eliminates or reduces sleepiness and daydreaming.

Also if you're not just grinding, but actually thinking, a physical perspective change and a pause in the thinking for a couple minutes can often result in higher total overall productivity. If you're mind's blank, staring even harder at the whiteboard doesn't help nearly as much as a short walk. Occasionally surfing slashdot has been scientifically proven to dramatically increase overall productivity.

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

kaoshin (110328) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498590)

When I was younger, I had bad vision and they told me if I continued to stare at the computer screen which at the time was a CRT television, that I would end up requiring glasses. Despite the fact that I have gamed extensively for the last 27 years and now also sit for 8+ hours in front of multiple displays at work, I have 20/20 vision.

As for your comment about over-use of the brain, it was my understanding that we do not even fully utilize our brain. I think the human body is more resilient than most people give it credit for.

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498822)

Please don't try to tell me that a first person shooter is in any way "overuse of the brain". Even with a game like Starcraft for experrienced gamers many of the details are now muscle memory and rote repetition of patterns.

Even the very idea of "brain overuse" causing mental problems makes me shudder... what has happened to our society!?

Besides, a baseball pitcher, football quarterback, hockey goalie, auto racer, etc, require just as much (or more) focus, attention, and often strategy as most video games...

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499612)

Please don't try to tell me that a first person shooter is in any way "overuse of the brain". Even with a game like Starcraft for experrienced gamers many of the details are now muscle memory and rote repetition of patterns.

Even the very idea of "brain overuse" causing mental problems makes me shudder... what has happened to our society!?

Besides, a baseball pitcher, football quarterback, hockey goalie, auto racer, etc, require just as much (or more) focus, attention, and often strategy as most video games...

I know that after work, playing Empire Total War for extended sessions was too much. I recently found playing FFXIII to be nice candy for the brain. It's not too thought-intensive, I'm still playing a game and I'm still having fun even if I'm not working all that hard at it.

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

jab (9153) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499058)

I've raced for about 20 years in cross country skiing (starting with high school, then at the NCAA level in college, and now in citizen races) and have probably entered well over 100 events. More importantly I've known a lot of racers over the years. I've never, ever heard of knee damage being a common problem for cross country skiers. In fact, cross country skiing is one of the more gentle sports on joints, especially compared to long distance running which has a lot of pounding. There are tons of old people (70+) competing in citizen races, and they are often quite fast. Even the skating technique is not so troublesome, although it is a little more wearing than diagonal stride over very long distances. Are you thinking of something in particular that causes knee damage?

Re:Sports injuries... (2, Informative)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499258)

Atheletes wear their bodies out, same as construction workers, but but you can't overuse your brain. Your brain has no moving parts to wear out, unlike your body. All the mentally sharp geriatrics I've known actively used their brains a lot, and IINM there have been studies proving this.

I'm not sure about the eye damage, but the only damage would be to the cornea, and I wouldn't worry about that. [slashdot.org] [article] What you should worry about is if you're severely nearsighted you're at risk of retinal detachment [slashdot.org] [journal]

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

bm_luethke (253362) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499536)

Some of those answers are going to depend on what age you are "20 years" isn't that long if you are around 20 - lots of us really old folks around the 40 year old range that gre up playing games (games have been popular and require reflexes and such since way back in 1980 or so)

I picked mine up with pong, went to an atari 2600, a PC, NES, etc and still do today. I spend massive amounts of time at it, more than pretty much anyone does with another sport. I'm a software engineer so I have one of those "thinking jobs" too.

I'm 35, started when I was around 8. People my age have beginnings of knee problems (I do with no few sports - but arthritis tends to run in my family, few on both sides made it past 35 without some and I am no exception). I have a bit of RSI in my wrists and fingers, but that is probably more to do with the typing. I can't figure that 5 more years (it is usually someone around 20 who thinks "20 years from now how broken will I be") will be much different so your are probably safe.

Now, if you are older then it gets to be a harder question. For the most part 20 more years for me (mid 50's) probably isn't going to change much - most people play Tennis, Baseball, and many other sports into their 50's with only needing increased therapy. A little more icing/heat, not quite as aggressive, etc. If non-professional gaming has me extra slowing down in that time frame then it really ought to get a good look from the govt to either ban it or make sure people realize the dangers as it is terribly dangerous. Enough time has elapsed with games being obsessed over to note if it does when someone playes heavy from youth to their 40's. Most people In other sports, except the Olympic/Professional Level competitors, should never see a problem into thier 50's that wasn't simply "aging". In those cases the competitors are well aware of the damage it inflicts on their bodies.

For me what is it going to be like in 30 years is a better question - your early 60's should be where you really start noticing things like that. Maybe you are in your 40's so 20 years is a good length of time to think about, however with such a high user number and obviously something of a techie I doubt it. The likelyhood of being a high numbered poster in your 40 that has been on the net or decades is quite low (though it can happen - I have a low 5 digit account here that I can't access because the e-mail account I registered under no longer exists - can't get my password and I forgot my old one).

Worry more about your heart, arteries, lungs, pancreas, and other parts of your body that tend to wear out. You brain tends to degrade from *not* using it much.

Re:Sports injuries... (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32500006)

The first time you strafe a hallway instead of just walking past it you prove to yourself that gaming has done something to your head.

But neurons are highly malleable and learn not to be affected by such situations as easily as they learned to react to them. Except for the flashbacks, that sort of behavior goes away.

Might??? (2, Funny)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498204)

While sitting in front of a screen might not have the same physical demands as running a marathon...

Might not? Might not?? Hell, making a sandwich has more physical demands than playing the vijimagames.

Re:Might??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32498442)

I disagree. I never get stressed out when I'm making a sandwich. When I'm playing an intense 1v1 in Starcraft against an opponent who is similarly skilled to myself, my heart starts beating faster, I feel an adrenaline rush, and my nerves go to Code Blue as if I actually need all that physical stimulation that only clouds my ability to think clearly and calmly and win. Games require small, quick, and precise movements, which means they aren't physically straining in that manner, but they can be physically demanding in others.

Re:Might??? (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499770)

Okay, getting your heart rate up to 20% of your (MHR-RHR) and losing your cool because you're the n00b in the room is not aerobic exercise.

I rode my bike 20 miles at 22 mph yesterday and never got mine above 60%. That's known as a "recovery day".

Allay'all stop dawdling and excusing yourselves, get off your fat, pasty asses, and go play in the fucking sunshine.

Cause or Result (2, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498216)

Is the 20 year old "Professional gamer" with the "aerobic health as a 60-year-old smoker" in that condition due to gaming, or is he gaming because that's all he can do, because of some pre-existing limitation?

I ask, because it takes longer for a sedentary life style to put you in THAT bad shape than your typical 20 year old would have in the interval between highschool and their 20th birthday.

Where does one get a job being a "professional gamer" other than working for a game developer?

Re:Cause or Result (2, Funny)

Kenoli (934612) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498262)

South Korea.

Re:Cause or Result (2, Funny)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498748)

North Korean gamers, on the other hand, are the portrait of good health! [slashdot.org]

Re:Cause or Result (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498296)

Where does one get a job being a "professional gamer" other than working for a game developer?

Korea, if you are awesome at Starcraft [wikipedia.org] .

There is also the PGL [wikipedia.org] and a host of other "professional" leagues.

Re:Cause or Result (2, Informative)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498490)

Where does one get a job being a "professional gamer" other than working for a game developer?

It's easy in that you don't have to apply to become one, like most jobs, but also tough in that you won't make any money for a little while, like playing in a Band.

1) Find a popular multiplayer game
2) Get good at said game
3) Search for a league online for said game
4) Join league
5) Win tournaments
6) ???
7) Professional Gamer /Profit

Re:Cause or Result (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499852)

The attention given to the ones who get rich at a sport creates a disproportionate view of the probabilities of joining that class of competitors.

Those who gain little or no money, or even lose relative to another choice of profession, is by far the largest segment of any sport's population.

Delusional hope among the competing class is, of course, of enormous benefit to the organizer class. This goes for any industry, not just sports.

Re:Cause or Result (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499092)

I'm guessing it's all the pot he smokes.

Re:Cause or Result (1)

AthleteMusicianNerd (1633805) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499590)

Working for a game developer is not a professional gamer.

Re:Cause or Result (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499936)

It doesn't take that long. I used to do judo but after a couple of broken relationships I just sat at home (and at work), read books and eat. I've gained almost 50 kg in just 5 years and could barely walk 200 meters. Once you are fat you can get sleep apnoea, and once you have that, it is almost impossible to lose weight without doing something against it.

Once you can sleep properly it is much easier to lose all that fat and start living again, though. Just walked 4 km and feeling good :-)

Not surprised (1)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498342)

Online gaming actually helped me understand real-life sports. When I was a kid my dad took me to Hockey and Soccer and other organized sports, and I never really "got it". I didn't have any aggression in my personality and when the parents were saying "it's not important to win, it's important to have fun" I actually took them to heart and didn't care about the game, at all.

I finally figured out the pleasure of cooperative sport playing Counterstrike in my bedroom. I actually got pretty decent and had moments that parallel great sports stories: one time I single-handedly cleared a team of 6 players, finishing the last one with my knife. It was my full-length touchdown run and there was actual human adrenaline pumping in my veins.

After my kinda-sorta epiphany, I actually left the house and joined a ball hockey team. I still suck at hockey but I understand the pleasure of the game and that everyone is working together to become better players.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that the top "cyber athletes" have the same mental processes as top athletes. Competition is competition..

Well DUH (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498374)

Other studies show that the sky is black at night with little white speckles, gray when it's raining at noon and blue when it's not.

What's next, they're going to study where bears shit and what religion the Pope is?

Eye Hand Coordination (1)

Layth (1090489) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498378)

In most cases, Eye Hand Coordination is a big factor in sports, and a big factor in gaming .
Obviously there are exceptions like soccer and checkers, but yeah there is a lot of cross over.

I would have thought this was immediately obvious as someone who has both played video games and sports competitively.
The biggest difference from a competitive point of view? Video games put you completely at the mercy of developers, and it sucks.

Who wants to spend a year refining a particular talent for a video game, and then have a new patch completely change the balance and gameplay dynamics.
Also if you put 8 years of your life into the game, what happens when it's out of date? Even if it's a game with big tournaments and prizes, they all go out of style.

Mainstream sports, on the other hand, date back thousands of years and should experience very few changes in our lifetime.

As an adult, I could never devote myself fully to a game in that manner...
As a child I guess I had nothing better to do =)

Alpha Male Syndrome? (1)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498390)

I wonder if the study focused on whether or not both groups display high levels of testosterone and high levels of competitiveness. I always figured that the constant tea-bagging and shit-talking in Halo and such were just virtual depictions of the same male-centric dominance instinct that athletes display by making fouls, being unnecessarily belligerent, or just being douchebags in general. I know both groups often (though not always) display an attitude of elitism towards those that are not part of the, 'club.' I know that competitive sports are so popular because they, essentially, allow for the enactment of modern alpha-male style dominance displays. I wonder if the same can be said of gamers. I can't count how many times I've heard a Halo player blow his verbal load on Xbox live talking about how good he is and why he is so much better. There has to be a link in those attributes too. I wonder if further studies are going to look into that or not.

That said, I think football and soccer would be funnier if the scoring team tea-bagged their rivals every time they made a point.

Re:Alpha Male Syndrome? (2, Funny)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498584)

That said, I think football and soccer would be funnier if the scoring team tea-bagged their rivals every time they made a point.

Turnabout is fair play, you really want the halo team to dance, hug each other, and rub each others butts after a kill and then take a shower together after the game, while the elderly newspaper writers watch, er, I mean interview them? I could do without that creepy stuff.

Re:Alpha Male Syndrome? (1)

karlwilson (1124799) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499238)

I think that's just called being a guy and has nothing to do with your profession.

Just wait for it (2, Funny)

RivenAleem (1590553) | more than 4 years ago | (#32498992)

"Whoa man, there's ProGamer69"

"Yeh, he's uber leet, look at the size of him"

"He must put in some serious sessions to get a bod like that, just look as them rolls of flab"

"Yeah, I just wanna grab them and roll about in them"

"You're working on a pretty nice gut yourself, how do you manage it with this pro-fitness thing everyone is forcing on us?"

"Oh that" *scoffs* "CoD7 + Mountain Dew all the way bud"

not true for everyone (2, Funny)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499492)

I play video games and I'm quite good. I always rank high in reaction time games like racing and also RTS games too. I was actually the #7 ranked platinum player in the Starcraft II Beta before it reset :) and I guess I break the stereotype because I'm extremely fit and in shape. One reason is I have a gym membership that I actually use and secondly, I play Dance Dance revoltion! The estimates of calories burned per song are between 10 and 35 and they're all under 2 minutes long. I have freakishly strong legs now because of that and pretty good aerobic abilities. I never actually run anywhere but if I suddenly decided to do so, I bet I could get a couple miles. Last time I played someone's Wii I was sweating too so if I had one of those, I'd be so healthy it would be crazy :-P Then there's that glorified eye toy thing that's coming out soon that will force people to move around so I think this all these things will get gamers in shape pretty quickly. But as for right now, some of us are already quite fit FROM gaming.

Re:not true for everyone (1)

witch-doktor (1592325) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499632)

And, no doubt, all the ramen you eat contributes to it all ;-)

Re:not true for everyone (1)

AthleteMusicianNerd (1633805) | more than 4 years ago | (#32499654)

I never actually run anywhere but if I suddenly decided to do so, I bet I could get a couple miles.

Two miles is really quite sad, and Dance Dance Revolution fitness does not equate to running fitness. In fact, basketball fitness doesn't even equate to running fitness. Rick Fox starting running too much, and actually cut his NBA career short.

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