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Mark Zuckerberg, In It To Change the World?

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the that's-not-what-i-heard dept.

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schmidt349 submitted a story about Zuckerberg that might fly in the face of what you've heard of the guy in the past. "Award-winning New York Times journalist David Kirkpatrick's new book The Facebook Effect presents readers with a complex view of Facebook's founder and CEO. Primed by hours of conversation and research deep into the history of the social network, Kirkpatrick reaches the conclusion that money isn't a primary motivation for Zuckerberg, 'a coder more than a CEO, a philosopher more than a businessman, a 26-year-old who has consistently avoided selling out because he sees Facebook as his way to change the world.' Kirkpatrick deftly handles the controversy surrounding Facebook's sometimes cavalier attitude toward user privacy, and the result is a much more balanced and less sensationalist account of Facebook's past, present, and future."

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Well Obviously. (5, Funny)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511808)

This is true of course. He wants to change the world from one in which he has less money into one in which he has more money.

Change HIS world. (4, Insightful)

mollog (841386) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511892)

As parent points out, he's out to change HIS world. He might have more credibility if he hadn't stole the code, and wasn't compromising user's data, but, hey, he's got the stage so why not try a little spin on the truth.

Re:Change HIS world. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512168)

Making loads of money, check this site out. Already received 2 payouts.

http://bit.ly/cPR0vr [bit.ly]

Re:Change HIS world. (1)

spazdor (902907) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513034)

I'm definitely not arguing against this comment's moderation status. -1 troll it is, and -1 troll it should stay.

But it's also kinda insightful.

Re:Change HIS world. (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513200)

Actually it is SPAM. Too bad it can't be deleted.

Re:Change HIS world. (1)

bbbaldie (935205) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512792)

VERY nice statement. I don't usually post huzzahs, but will in this case.

I had to check my calendar (0, Troll)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512832)

I had to check my calendar when I saw this submission. I *knew* it wasn't April 1st but still...I mean REALLY? Is this supposed to be taken seriously?

Re:Well Obviously. (-1, Redundant)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511898)

-1 Redundant.

Wow! Pick your own moderation day!! Lemme Try this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32513094)

+5 Insightful

Re:Well Obviously. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32511922)

And what exactly is wrong with that?

It seems Facebook's privacy policies should be judged independently from whether he is "selling out."

Re:Well Obviously. (1, Interesting)

Michael Kristopeit (1751814) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511962)

am i the only person that hasn't signed up for facebook?

the actual application is trivial save for the scaling to millions of users... i just built a custom framework on my own web server... one for each circle of friends or family. it works just as good and won't reject your video if it detects copyrighted music playing in the background as forced by the RIAA.

independent is the only way to go.

Re:Well Obviously. (2, Insightful)

Kenoli (934612) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512186)

It won't be popular unless braindead retards can use it unassisted, and social networking is all about the popularity contest.

Re:Well Obviously. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512214)

So everyone you know has to update their facebook page, THEN go to 123.58.89.09/michaelssocialnetwork and re-enter their updates just to placate you. Sounds fun for them.

Re:Well Obviously. (2, Insightful)

GrumblyStuff (870046) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512528)

No, fuck off with your updates, your farmville, your "Jimmy likes this comment!", your photo-tagging, and updated ToS (now with more caveats!) and forcing default settings to the most open option.

Re:Well Obviously. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512676)

If you haven't even got your OWN web site with your own domain name, then you're nobody and I don't give a fuck about you.

No, I will not join up with Facebook to placate some loser who can't do or create anything for themselves.

Re:Well Obviously. (1)

insertwackynamehere (891357) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512990)

Your missing a crucial point: no one cares, buddy. Chances are you are creating a world in your head where people want you to join Facebook and you refuse whereas in reality, you probably have no reason to join Facebook because you push people away in real life with the same attitude you post with on Slashdot, anonymously.

Re:Well Obviously. (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513020)

No, I will not join up with Facebook to placate some loser who can't do or create anything for themselves.

This from someone who can't or won't even create a /. account? Hmmm ...

Re:Well Obviously. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512264)

am i the only person that hasn't signed up for facebook?

No, but I wonder sometimes if communicating by email with people these days is perceived analogous to communicating by fax machine, or telegram. I *like* email dammit.

Re:Well Obviously. (4, Funny)

asukasoryu (1804858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512272)

I'm with you. I hate Facebook. I hate talking to my family, I've disowned most of the friends I've ever had, and I certainly don't want to talk to anyone from high school, my childhood, or friends of people I've had minimal contact with. If I want to interact with someone, I do it without posting details about my life on the interwebs. How can you put something on the internet and complain about privacy? Independent is the way to be.

Re:Well Obviously. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512286)

Welcome to Slashdot, you'll fit right in.

Re:Well Obviously. (4, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512282)

the actual application is trivial save for the scaling to millions of users...

Exactly.

Now, You can spout that your independant framework is the best way to go, and even if you manage to master the untrivial task of scaling to millions of users, when you get offered large sums of money for your product, lets see you not sell out.

I may not like what Zuckerberg is doing, but I can't honestly say I wouldn't do the same were I in his position. I think a small bit of the hate directed towards him is generated by the jealousy that his product is on top.

Re:Well Obviously. (3, Insightful)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512302)

the actual application is trivial save for the scaling to millions of users...

Which is a bit like saying that traveling to the Moon is trivial save for building a Saturn V rocket.

Re:Well Obviously. (4, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512442)

Getting the code to work right is not the tough part. Hell, making the code scalable to millions of users isn't even the tough part. Getting enough people to use your social network so that you reach the critical mass Facebook has is the tough part.

Gotta point out the good (1)

bbbaldie (935205) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512824)

I've hooked up with a number of individuals from my past, and it's been an overall positive experience for me. Yes, Zuckerberg is an annoying a-hole, but Facebook is beneficial to me.

Re:Gotta point out the good (2)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513304)

The interesting individuals from my past are by definition the kind of people who wouldn't be on Facebook. Now, if I wanted to 'link up' with that portion of people from my past who are the fucktards, yes, Facebook would be excellent. However, I chose to move forward in life, not spin my wheels in muck.

Facebook is almost entirely the wrong place to be.

Facebook endangers your job (0)

improfane (855034) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513006)

That's a really cool idea; just make all your family join your site or better yet, register them without your permission. It could read IMAP to fetch their emails and place them into it as if they were actually logged in.

IMHO you must be comfortable with your job if you use Facebook freely - at home or especially so at work. I do not think it's safe in a modern world to use social networks. It exposes information you probably should not reveal, especially amaking vindicative people more dangerous.

I wrote a indepth list of reasons not to use facebook here before: Why I Don't Use Facebook [slashdot.org]

I use StatusNet when I can be bothered to microblog about something although it is only accessible to me. If I want to talk to someone I phone them. If you believe in privacy, install Freenet if you have CPU to burn and I2P otherwise.

Cheers

Re:Facebook endangers your job (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513170)

Woops, sorry about all the mistakes.

I meant this link: Why I don't use Facebook [slashdot.org] . I was going to link to that actual link, as well about general privacy.

If you don't take privacy into your own hands, don't expect web browsers to. Especially given that they are owned by either businesses who love marketing, Google, Apple, Microsoft. Don't expect governments to protect you.

I filed a TRUST complaint with Facebook. I urge you to do the same. Not that they will do anything though unless they reach a criticial mass. It shocks me so many people have endorsed the seal.

Facebook TRUSTe [truste.com]

Re:Well Obviously. (1)

insertwackynamehere (891357) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513008)

That works for you. It doesn't work for a lot of people.

Re:Well Obviously. (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513150)

am i the only person that hasn't signed up for facebook?

I had resisted Facebook for years, but on "Quit Facebook Day" (last May 31st) I bit the bullet and signed up.

Re:Well Obviously. (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512206)

Funny, I thought he was only in it for the hookers and blow. Money won't buy you love, but it'll sure get you a lot of smokin' hot chicks!

Re:Well Obviously. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32513178)

I believe you mean a world in which he has all the money. If he sells out, that opportunity is lost.

Re:Well Obviously. (1)

assertation (1255714) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513190)

I wish I could mod your post up another point! LOL!

Brave new world indeed (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511870)

...who has consistently avoided selling out because he sees Facebook as his way to change the world

Yeah, if you overlook Facebook Ads, the massive support framework for extracting personal data and giving it to third parties under the guise of 'gaming', the Beacon program, and extending the API so any website can add things to your profile through IFRAMES if you don't delete your cookies/logout. No, Mr. Zuckerberg has a very clear vision of how he intends to change the world: He recognizes the incredible value of having personal information on the majority of people connected to the internet, and he wants to capitalize on that.

He intends to sell the information to the highest bidder, while keeping the market where these exchanges take place to himself. That's his brave new world.

Re:Brave new world indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512030)

He intends to sell the information to the highest bidder, while keeping the market where these exchanges take place to himself. That's his brave new world.

This * a million.

Re:Brave new world indeed (-1, Offtopic)

spiffydudex (1458363) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512228)

Making loads of money, check this site out. Already received 2 payouts.

http://bit.ly/cPR0vr [bit.ly]

MOD PARENT TROLL. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512292)

MOD PARENT TROLL.

Re:Brave new world indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512348)

Ooops!! Looks like you forgot to 'check' the coward box this time.

Re:Brave new world indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512350)

lol talk about selling out, but hell if it works...free money

Re:Brave new world indeed (1)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513102)

Say goodbye to karma for that /. account spiffydudex. For your pleasure, Bill Hicks has a special message for your kind [youtube.com] .

Re:Brave new world indeed (1)

spazdor (902907) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513116)

Okay, fuck it the second time around. You're goin' down, buddy.

...or a naive new world. (1)

LongearedBat (1665481) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512560)

He recognizes the incredible value of having personal information on the majority of people connected to the internet, and he wants to capitalize on that.

Either a brave new world (to trust giving out so much personal information), or a naive new world (to trust giving out so much personal information).

Re:Brave new world indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32513326)

...who has consistently avoided selling out because he sees Facebook as his way to change the world

Yeah, if you overlook Facebook Ads, the massive support framework for extracting personal data and giving it to third parties under the guise of 'gaming', the Beacon program, and extending the API so any website can add things to your profile through IFRAMES if you don't delete your cookies/logout. No, Mr. Zuckerberg has a very clear vision of how he intends to change the world: He recognizes the incredible value of having personal information on the majority of people connected to the internet, and he wants to capitalize on that.

He intends to sell the information to the highest bidder, while keeping the market where these exchanges take place to himself. That's his brave new world.

Ah Facebook, where a -1: Troll gets modded up to +5: Insightful.

Facebook Ads keeps the site up. Do you think that every web site should have no revenue or charge its users? People willingly sign up for games. They know what they're getting into, and the game companies make money from ads, anyway. Beacon's a decent idea that was missing explicit user confirmation (it's fine if amazon posts stuff I buy _that I choose to publish_, not if it posts everything). What's your problem with Connect? That other sites can grab data from Facebook if the user opts in to it (I'll concede the partial point in relation to Instant Personalization). Unless you opt in, the best a site can do is toss in an iframe that shows some information pulled from Facebook next to their own content.

Of course there's value in having personal information, but Facebook's model isn't to sell that information, but to use that information to be able to offer a highly targeted advertising model (similar to Google, except the data that Google gets is different in type from the data Facebook gets).

not motivated by money? (5, Insightful)

z-j-y (1056250) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511878)

Dr. Evil isn't motivated by money either, and he wants to change the world too.

Re:not motivated by money? (1)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511924)

How about Dr. Horrible? Same story--give me infinite power, and I'll make things better.

Re:not motivated by money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512128)

Lets not forget Dr. Steel. All he wants to do is build a Utopian Playland for all his loyal toy soldiers.

Re:not motivated by money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512364)

Dr. Octagonecologyst- TRUMP!

Re:not motivated by money? (0, Troll)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513128)

The insolence. Dr. Evil has a principle. The evil principle. Zucker? The kid is merely a money-grubbing troll.

Re:not motivated by money? (1)

ristonj (1195983) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513256)

I thought he wanted one meeeeeeeeeeellion dollars? ::puts pinky to cheek::

Come on... (2)

Kensai7 (1005287) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511894)

...a philosopher?!

Re:Come on... (3, Funny)

Shin-LaC (1333529) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511972)

I'm not surprised. If I had a million kabillion dollars, I'd hire my own scribe too.

Re:Come on... (1)

ajlitt (19055) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512674)

"Oh, a bullshit artist!"

What a conveniently timed puff piece (5, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511918)

Just when everyone is thinking "Zuckerberg, what an ass!" we get a book purporting that Zuckerberg is in fact a genius coder and philosopher. And here I thought his philosophy boiled down to "fucking idiots tell me things about themselves that I can sell." When are we going to stop this sycophantic worship of sociopaths who happen to get rich by screwing over others?

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512076)

Indeed. It is definitely not time to suck Zuckerberg's cock.

Puritan Ethic (1)

QuincyDurant (943157) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512136)

Zuckerman's wealth is a divine sign of election and sanctification. Me, I must be hellbound.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512280)

The next new set of 13 year olds will be looking for something different to their parents/older siblings
geocites-> myspace -> bebo -> facebook -> same again with a different logo and start up capital.

How these companies get valued is just flawed......

This book looks like just the latest PR spun masterbateography

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (3, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512398)

When are we going to stop this sycophantic worship of sociopaths who happen to get rich by screwing over others?

They aren't sociopaths. That would be a medical condition beyond their control; They have a diminished sense of right and wrong. No, what they are is far worse: They deliberately ignore social values and mores for their own profit. And this shouldn't come as a surprise. Amongst the wealthy I have learned they have a common social trait that is decidedly uncommong amongst the working class: The ability to turn charm on and off at a whim. These are people who are nice to you, and mean to the waiter. They are not nice people, and it's something they're socialized to do.

See, the problem goes deeper than you think: A minority of this society trains its children to prey on one another. And those who work their way up from working class to the upper class are shunned for this -- because they are "new money", as in new to the game, not new to wealth.

And you wonder why we worship these kinds of people? Easy: Because we only see what they have, not what they are. They're predators in the purest sense -- exemplifying the exact traits that allowed humans to become the dominant form of life on this planet.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (5, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512516)

No, the traits that allowed us to become the dominant life form are cooperation, reciprocity, a sense of fairness, and intelligence. The only thing we have going for us as predators is our stamina.

The traits you describe are sociopathic. Sociopathy does not mean you don't know right from wrong. It means you have a diminished sense of empathy and remorse, and you look at people as objects. Sociopaths know right from wrong, which is why they try to hide what they are. They just don't care.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512666)

No, the traits that allowed us to become the dominant life form are cooperation, reciprocity, a sense of fairness, and intelligence. The only thing we have going for us as predators is our stamina.

No, that's what allow us to survive as a species. A small minority of individuals hold most of the wealth in the world, and that wealth tends to transfer to direct relatives. This is not an accident.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (4, Interesting)

drewhk (1744562) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512952)

.. and poor people reproduce more than wealthy. So what?

Also, I see that many of us underestimate cooperation. If pure selfishness would be the true way, then there would be no multicellular species -- like us. The fact that we have an imprinted idea of "justice" and we are disturbed by acts of sociopathy shows how deeply imprinted is social behavior.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (1)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512766)

Once upon a time, such people were shunned by the tribe and starved to death. Today, we have built infrastructures that enable these people to survive and thrive. In return, they ruin us.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32513162)

Once upon a time, such people were shunned by the tribe and starved to death. Today, we have built infrastructures that enable these people to survive and thrive. In return, they ruin us.

No! No! They are the tribe! [theocciden...server.net]

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512878)

Sociopathy does not mean you don't know right from wrong. It means you have a diminished sense of empathy and remorse, and you look at people as objects. Sociopaths know right from wrong, which is why they try to hide what they are. They just don't care.

That goes double for people like Zuckerburg. [jrbooksonline.com]

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (1)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512444)

When are we going to stop this sycophantic worship of sociopaths who happen to get rich by screwing over others?

Looking over the preceding ten thousand years of human history, I couldn't tell you for sure, but if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (2, Interesting)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512644)

Really? I'd say perhaps in the preceding five thousand years, but before that we had no walled cities, no mass graves, no weapons meant only for killing humans, no organized warfare, and very little heirarchy. Our current violent, hierarchical culture is an aberration brought about by our invention of agriculture and animal husbandry, our settling down, and subsequent inability to move on when drought and famine hit.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (0, Troll)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512804)

No one who wants to change the world refers to their potential user base as "dumb F***'s", there is no situation in which it's ok to do that, or that any rational person wouldn't think that this would come back one day. Couple this with the stolen code issues, privacy issues, etc. and Zuckerberg clearly belongs to the group of people operating their lives outside of the world of logic.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512814)

Yeah, Machiavelli was a philosopher, too.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (3, Interesting)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512844)

At least they didn't say that he wants to IMPROVE the world. Just change it. I mean, Bill Gates changed the world as well. As did Sauron.

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32513260)

OH COME ON! What did Sauron do to you?

Re:What a conveniently timed puff piece (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512946)

When they stop getting rich.

Zuckerberg: Changing the world...in his interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32511928)

We already knew he wanted to change the world. A word in which everyone lives in glass houses and any privacy at all is a luxury reserved for himself and himself only.

I may have believed this when he first started out (4, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511942)

but if their advertising practices are any indication, they are in it for the money. I'm pretty happy with many of the security changes they made a couple of weeks ago after the furor over privacy reached the boiling point, but to claim they have benevolent intentions is ignorance at best.

I'm the CEO bitch (5, Insightful)

xx_chris (524347) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511954)

Sorry, but this just stinks of a payola article.

see Craigslist (5, Insightful)

lapsed (1610061) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511964)

For an example of what happens when people forgo money.

Re:see Craigslist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512100)

He's already sold out, yahoo owns a fair portion of it now.

Re:see Craigslist (4, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512498)

They can't afford decent website designers?

Re:see Craigslist (4, Insightful)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512936)

I'd argue that they better understand how to focus on content than most anyone else.

They lack decent search but I can't think of much else that would make Craigslist better rather than just whizzier.

Re:see Craigslist (4, Insightful)

Bysshe (1330263) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513148)

Add wikipedia and wikileaks to that list. Cock Suckerburg isn't in this to save the world, make it better or anything of the kind. He's in it to conquer society and screw anyone who gets in his way.

Real philanthropy is done by those who don't want the fame, money, or power.

Things Motivating a 26 year old programmer (4, Funny)

sycodon (149926) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511988)

1. Creating cool programs
2. Get girls
3. Make money
4. Get more girls

Re:Things Motivating a 26 year old programmer (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512388)

This might be the first and last time I ever see "get girls" be directly the next step after writing code. Seems to be a bit of a non-sequitor.

Re:Things Motivating a 26 year old programmer (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512564)

I didn't mean to imply any kind of casual relationship between to.

Damit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32513022)

to = two

Re:Things Motivating a 26 year old programmer (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513316)

This might be the first and last time I ever see "get girls" be directly the next step after writing code. Seems to be a bit of a non-sequitor.

You're right. He can't actually pay for the hookers until after he gets paid for the code.

His brand of truth (4, Insightful)

HermMunster (972336) | more than 4 years ago | (#32511998)

I just don't trust the guy. Sleaze-ball comes to mind.

I can't get into his method of profit--selling our private info to others.

I'm careful about my private information. I'm sure others aren't so well versed on what to disclose to Facebook. I like the site, seriously, as it has let met get in touch with so many friends and family

Just Interviews? (3, Insightful)

CheshireCatCO (185193) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512070)

So is the book based solely on interviews? Because interviewing the subject himself with no other sources will nearly always give you a favorable picture of the subject. We all craft our own favorable narratives, consciously or not, and that's even more so what we share with the world.

The Time article doesn't really delve into the other research that Mr. Kirkpatrick might have done, so it's very difficult to judge the quality of the book.

So what does he want? (2, Interesting)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512072)

"Kirkpatrick reaches the conclusion that money isn't a primary motivation for Zuckerberg"

If that's really true (which i'm certainly willing entertain doubts about) does he want to reduce privacy because he really believes that's what best for everyone? Or if he's not in it for money is he in it for power? Does he just like knowing everything about everyone, and making a profit off of that knowledge is a side game to him? I'm really not sure which of those would be worse. The first case is a lot less despicable, but it's also a lot more threatening if you think that a certain amount of privacy is a good thing.

Oh yeah, he is! (3, Insightful)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512074)

Zuckerberg is clearly doing what he does in order to change the world. I can't imagine how that would even be a question.

However, his image of the future seems a bit dystopian in my mind. Bring the consumers together, lead the dumb ones to the slaughter, and then force-herd the stubborn ones down the same path. Everything is marketing, everything is sales. Social interaction cannot exist, if not for the sake of making a profit. "There is no privacy" - unless you're one of the powerful elite.

By all appearances, he's trying to increase the class spread, and turn the entire world into marketing. O brave new world, that has such people in't!

Zuckerberg, this Paris Hilton of the web... (2, Funny)

broknstrngz (1616893) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512108)

He was lacking a chihuahua, so TPTB created David Kirkpatrick.

Pffft. (1)

src1138 (212903) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512220)

I recall reading an article a few months ago where MZ openly admitted to casting ethics to the wind and diving into whatever advertising scheme he could to generate capital in the early years of FB with no regard for privacy or transparency. No, I don't care enough to find the link and reference it.

There is no question of selling out - MZ had a clearance sale on business ethics years ago.

Re:Pffft. (2, Interesting)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512726)

You're thinking of the wrong scumbag. Mark Pinkus [techcrunch.com] , CEO of Zynga (FarmVille and other annoying Facebook games) said that.

It's an authorized version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512226)

A lot of money people invested in Facebook, and they want to enhance their bottom line
with it. Hence the authorized book about how wonderful he is. Except he isn't. I don't
care why he does what he does. What he does is awful. And didn't sell out? Is the guy
kidding? He refuses to relinquish control. That's not the same thing.

26 (1)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512244)

While many great things have been accomplished by the relatively young (there's a firm line between "young" and "adult" at 35 in case you're not aware...similar to Chef's "17" philosophy, in fact), they were entirely by accident.

The 'authorized' biography (5, Informative)

Trufagus (1803250) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512246)

I think we can expect to see much, much more of this, as Facebook tries to change their CEO's image.

Apparently there is an unflattering movie coming out in the Fall and I assume they want to get ahead of that.

Re:The 'authorized' biography (4, Interesting)

GrumblyStuff (870046) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512700)

I propose that like Tony "I want my life back" Hayward, we give Mark a catchy phrase in his name.

Mark "Dumb fucks trust me" Zuckerberg sounds kinda nice.

Is there such a thing as a Philosopher-thief? (4, Interesting)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512330)

It was my understanding that Zuckerberg was a thief at his very core. Always an opportunist looking to earn off of things he doesn't have any right to possess. This included the photos that started Harvard's Facebook, much of the original code and concept, and continues to this day with examples like the email accounts used to connect to Facebook and their password information. I think this understanding of him is probably accurate.

That being said, wouldn't being a thief preclude the label of 'philosopher'? Isn't the harm caused by theft and the social implications of a world where theft is permissible one of the earliest, simplest hurdles that a 'thinker' must cross to become noteworthy? I'm not up on the stuff, but I'm not aware of any ethos that includes 'rutheless slimeball' as a virtuous-knower of wise things.

The problem is this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32512486)

I have read every single one of these comments and it seems everyone has a pretty good bead on Zuckerberg. The problem is people who have a problem with it still patronize his company. If you don't like what they do, you need to show them by not using the site. It's the same with Wal-Mart, Microsoft and others. People are just too lazy to stick with a boycott.

Zuckerberg knows history is written by the winners, not the losers. As long as people continue to make him a winner, he will be putting out trash like this bio. Plain and simple.

So, for the sake of the world, have the constitution to STICK WITH a boycott, otherwise learn to be happy getting zucked in the A.

Peace and Love!

He loses either way (1)

BBandCMKRNL (1061768) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512734)

As a greedy CEO, I'd expect him to act the way FB is trashing user's privacy. As a coder I'd expect him to be more careful about privacy and the security of the code that goes into production.

"money isn't a primary motivation for Zuckerberg" (3, Insightful)

metamatic (202216) | more than 4 years ago | (#32512770)

It's easy to say that you're not primarily motivated by money once you're already a billionaire several times over.

Hell, give me a mere couple of million and I'd show you what it's like to not be motivated by money...

Immaterial (2, Informative)

ismism (947992) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513010)

Doesn't matter to me, any more. I've opted out of FB, altogether. "I've opted out of FB" (all together)

mmhmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32513152)

hes a jew. nuff said.

Again.... (0, Flamebait)

phyrexianshaw.ca (1265320) | more than 4 years ago | (#32513172)

Jesus people. Look at what you've become.

for the first time in history, there exists a man who's interested in changing the world for the democratic better.

and what do we as the tech community say?

"Fuck him, he's just trying to get rich"

if you stop, take your heads out of your asses, get to know the damn kid, and then stand back and take a look at what a horrible bunch of money driven cynical sociopaths you have all become, maybe you'll see that SOME OF US DON'T WANT TO MAKE MONEY! but rather need to make enough to try to help others.
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