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Motorola Planning 2GHz Android Phone For Later This Year

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the soon-we-can-expand-crysis-jokes-to-phones dept.

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rocket97 writes "On Wednesday, at the Executives Club of Chicago, Motorola CEO Sanjay Jha reportedly decided to chat about the relatively near future of the mobile landscape as he sees it — which, in part, includes the ultimate demise of mobile computers in favor of highly-capable smartphones. This being his vision, Jha discussed Motorola's plans for a smartphone with a 2GHz processor — by the end of this year. While Jha did not want to divulge any further information, Conceivably Tech cites another anonymous Motorola executive who was a little more chatty, talking up a device intended to 'incorporate everything that is technologically possible in a smartphone today.'"

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So? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32537958)

Haven't even the marketing types learned by now.that Ghz is a measure of frequency, not speed?

Re:So? (5, Funny)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538168)

Haven't even the marketing types learned by now.that Ghz is a measure of frequency, not speed?

But it's TWO Ghz! It's rated at TWICE the bogomips, it has to be faster! This is so fast, I can start talking before I even dial the number! Believe me, when it comes to talking on a phone, this faster CPU will make it much, much better!!!!!1

Re:So? (-1, Flamebait)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538542)

Wow, you're just so clever that you know that!

I'm kidding. Haven't you pedantic types learned that even moderately technical people know that, and you don't have to remind people.

This is, of course, an apples to apples comparison. A 2GHz processor in the same ARM family will tend to be possibly even as much as twice as fast (in CPU performance) as a 1GHz processor.

Comparing a 2GHz ARM to a 2GHz Core 2, for example, is not apples to apples. Comparing processors within the same family (or even cousins), GHz is often a fairly good way to differentiate speed.

Re:So? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538578)

Within even 1 arm family that is a bad idea as so many variants exist that may or not may have certain features. In x86 in the same family this is far more a relevant measure.

Initial reaction (4, Funny)

AdmiralXyz (1378985) | more than 3 years ago | (#32537980)

"Ow, my hand!"

Re:Initial reaction (2, Funny)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538064)

Initial reaction: "2GHz? What runs on that band? I thought all the normal unlicensed and WLAN stuff was on 2.4Ghz because that whole area of the spectrum was kinda junk and not good for transmitting very far..."

ah, the joys of telecommunications.

Re:Initial reaction (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32539034)

Nice try, but very common UTMS ("3G") bands are 1.7, 1.9 or 2.1 GHz... most smartphones in the world support some combination of these bands. Sure, not exactly 2 GHz but it's in "that area of the spectrum"...

Pretending to misconstrue the summary as meaning 2 GHz band instead of processor speed might've been funny if you were actually correct about the 2 GHz range being junk...

Re:Initial reaction (5, Funny)

dnahelicase (1594971) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539488)

Psh. Noob. I liquid cool and overclock my snapdragon to 4.5 GHz. The battery life is only about 30 seconds but it's worth it to play mobile crysis at 200fps.

first in line (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32537990)

I'll be FIRST in line to get one of these.

2Ghz what? (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32537994)

Which ARM variant is it?

Ghz ain't everything.

Re:2Ghz what? (1, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538192)

YES IT IS! - AMD

Re:2Ghz what? (1)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539028)

My money would be on some variation of either the Snapdragon or Tegra 2 SoC. Both of those are Arm9 based.

Motorola Has Crappy UI (4, Interesting)

darkmeridian (119044) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538030)

I had the Razr and the Moto Q. It seems like Motorola has the crappiest and most confusing user interfaces ever. If they were loading pure Android, that'd be great. However, Moto customizes the OS with something called "MotoBlur." I assume that this would be a crap firmware/UI. This would prevent the latest Android OS from being used. Also, a two GHz processor sounds great but the impact on battery life will probably outweigh any benefits in a smart phone.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538070)

on the other hand Motorola Droid is stock Android

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (1)

rreyelts (470154) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539858)

The Samsung Moment (what my wife uses) is also stock Android. Surprisingly, that didn't seem to improve the rate at which a new version of Android for her phone became available through official channels. My HTC Hero has SenseUI, and the updates for both phones came out at the same time.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538092)

The Droid did not have that. It has pretty much plain vanilla. Either way if they would not use a bootloader that wants signed roms this would not be an issue. For some damn reason they want to prevent you from actually owning your own hardware on most models though.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538790)

That said.... Any android based phones out there not made by an ASSHAT company that hates it's customers?

You know, Let's me install whatever OS I want without a signed, encrypted and bow-tied bootloader

If I want to install android 2.6 Release 3 on it or maybe another linux?

For some reason both HTC and Motorola hate the customer by making it impossible to install a non-blessed OS.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (2, Insightful)

Rennt (582550) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539218)

HTC don't hate their customers. You are just confused about who their customers are.

Nexus One: Customer = You = Hackable device
Desire: Customer = Network Provider = Locked down

Same phone, different customer requirements.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539548)

HTC is as well.

Notice that HTC proper does not sell direct to end users, they always make you go through 3rd parties. With the Nexus One, it was through Google who chose to make them available unlocked.

Unfortunately, they ended that so you will probably not be able to get them as such anymore.

This is, incidentally, one of the major reasons for my buying an N900.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (1)

nextekcarl (1402899) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539272)

You can get the original Droid for $20 + 2 year contract on Amazon. I just bought one last week and rooted it yesterday, installed Bugless Beast w/Froyo and it's running great. Very easy process.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (2, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538194)

Owning a BackFlip, I've had to use MotoBlur, it isn't as bad as you think. All MotoBlur really lets you do is add in different widgets with Facebook, Twitter, etc. but you can be like me and not even put in that info and not use MotoBlur and its pretty much like stock Android (only there is all that AT&T crap...)

In fact, MotoBlur isn't too bad because its supposed to work like a free version of MobileME, letting you remotely track/deactivate your phone should it be stolen.

The main problem with MotoBlur is like every other UI addition it means that it takes forever for them to port new versions of Android to it.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538288)

That last point is the real problem. If 3rd party roms are available it does not matter though.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538442)

Other way round - port MotoBlur to new versions of Android.

But yeah. It is a problem.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538284)

Their "ui" is just a home app. It can be replaced without too much trouble.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538490)

Unlike SenseUI which does all kinds of crap. The Incredible breaks 3rd party apps left and right with its replacement of "contacts" with "people". Google should demand some basic interoperability stuff or charge HTC way more.

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32539734)

Why do you hate freedom?

Re:Motorola Has Crappy UI (2, Funny)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538338)

It seems like Motorola has the crappiest and most confusing user interfaces ever. If they were loading pure Android, that'd be great. However, Moto customizes the OS with something called "MotoBlur."

What's wrong with that? It does exactly as the name implies, it 'blurs' the clarity of the user interface.

Bye Bye, Battery Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538084)

Hello, Call of Duty.

Carrier problems (5, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538106)

The main problems with this though will be carriers. Its becoming increasingly apparent you can't have 2 year carrier-paid phones and be remotely on the cutting edge. Someone who got the first Android phone released in the US on a 2 year contract still couldn't upgrade it at a lower price. With the iPhone releasing a new phone every year and Android improving by leaps and bounds every other month it seems like, there is just no way that this can't end up with hardware fragmentation because a 528 Mhz Backflip just can't run the same things a 1 Ghz Nexus One or the new Motorola phone at 2 Ghz and the trend for hardware still isn't getting faster and faster, AT&T still only has the Backflip which is really underpowered when compared to the rest of the high end phones which are not on AT&t.

Re:Carrier problems (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538216)

On smartphones the update period is often 18 months, verizon does that anyway.
  AT&T does not want any phone that would outshine the iPhone, so don't expect any nice android phones there.

Hardware fragmentation is the only alternative to stagnation. This is no more an issue than people having different age/power computers. Normal stuff like email and web browsers will work for everyone and spiffy 3d games will just like on pc only run on the latest and greatest.

Re:Carrier problems (1)

Virmal (1281900) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538872)

AT&T does not want any phone that would outshine the iPhone as long as other carriers are not allowed to carry the iPhone. If as rumored, other carriers are allowed to carry the iPhone starting this Fall, expect AT&T to start carrying phones that will compete with or outshine the iPhone.

Re:Carrier problems (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539096)

If anyone gets iPhone it will be T-Mobile and that is only if AT&T refuses to pay what Jobs wants. AT&T will still try to make sure it is one of the best phones they sell and to do so will probably continue to implement iPhone like restrictions on their android devices. An example is no out of market apps.

Re:Carrier problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32539032)

That's both true and not true.
In the same way that some inflation os good for the ecconamy but too much is devestating, some fragmentation is nesesary to make progress while too much is devestating to progress.

Re:Carrier problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538220)

Then we all know this 2ghz Motorola phone will be Verizon exclusive and have no keyboard.

Re:Carrier problems (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538276)

I mostly agree with you, but here's a thought. Hardware fragmentation exists pretty heavily in the PC market, old computers don't run newer software as well etc. Is that a bigger problem for smartphones considering they're just mini-pcs at this point.

Re:Carrier problems (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538358)

But hardware fragmentation is pretty easy to combat, think about it. If you need more memory, you pay $30 and get a few more gigs of RAM, need a graphics card? Pay $100 and now you have HDMI-out and can play the latest games, etc.

And even then, it is a lot cheaper to upgrade PC hardware than smartphones. A new low-end laptop costs $350 and can do everything that a $550 smartphone can.

I can keep shoving new graphics cards, memory, etc. in my desktop for a good 5-7 years before everything becomes obsolete. With a Smartphone the most I can upgrade is putting in a new MicroSD card.

Re:Carrier problems (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538516)

You laptop has GPS and turn by turn directions? It fits in a car dock? It fits in your pocket?

I was not impressed with smartphones until I got my droid. It really does a lot of cool stuff.

Re:Carrier problems (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538632)

I wasn't saying that, I was simply replying to someone saying that there is fragmentation in the PC market, which I was saying isn't the same as in the smartphone market because smartphones aren't upgradeable like PC hardware is. I never said that smartphones weren't beneficial, I was simply raising the point that A) Hardware fragmentation mixed with carrier's dislike of selling phones outright will leave a lot of people with Droids when the Droid is obsolete and apps won't run on it and that B) This is a lot more worrying than PC hardware fragmentation because unlike a PC I can't just plug in a graphics card on my Backflip and get fast 3D effects.

Re:Carrier problems (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538864)

I agree, with the only issue being normal uses do not buy video cards ever. At this point the droid will be fine until you would get a replacement, since it has nice 3d unit and can be clocked up to 1.4Ghz if you do not care for battery life. Even at 1Ghz it beats an incredible.

Re:Carrier problems (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538894)

Yes....

Fujistu Tablet. It's older, only has a core 2 duo that runs at 1.33ghz. but it's got a dock, does turn by turn and GPS and fits in a BIG pocket.

but then I dont consider a iphone to fit in the pocket, too bulky. so it's a moot point to me.

I can annotate PDF files, print, edit CAD files, do video conferencing with a client that is using a Tandberg or Polycom video conference system.

Plus run standard PC apps.

It does not make phone calls, well except for skype. it can do that via the bluetooth headset.

I guess it does everything your phone does plus a whole helluva lot more, plus it's out of date by most geek standards....

Re:Carrier problems (2, Informative)

rreyelts (470154) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539752)

Sprint has something called "premiere" status. It gives you the traditional 2-year phone discount for a contract renewal at an accelerated 1-year rate. Getting premiere status is just a matter of having a qualifying mobile plan, which is pretty easy to meet when you have a smartphone. (I.E. most, if not all, of their unlimited data plans qualify you).

Still, I bought the HTC Hero (Android) when it first came out (October '09), and now I'm drooling over the EVO. This is even after I upgraded my Hero to Eclair (Android 2.1). I'm wondering what I can do to convince Sprint to give me the discount now.

My wife is almost in the exact same boat as me. We bought the newly released Samsung Moment for her at the same time, and she'd really like to upgrade to the EVO. (/me weighs the kids' college tuitions on one hand and the phone upgrades in the other).

Perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538132)

My friggin workstation, a large desktop-style Computer with tons of peripheals hooked up to it which I use for gaming, HD-video, flash, virtualization and other highly intensive computing tasks is equipped with a CPU I clocked down to 2GHz. And there's still tons of overhead. TONS.
And we're seriously talking about a cell with a CPU in this dimension.

But considering Android is Linux and we /really/ want flash...

Re:Perspective (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538238)

This is not a fair comparison. Any core2 is going to stomp to death any ARM clocked at 2Ghz, in floating point it won't even be worth comparing. Ghz ain't everything. This may get these phones into the upper p3- lower p4 levels of performance for non-floating point operations.

Highly capable smart phones? (4, Interesting)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538136)

So we're going to be carrying around phones the size of laptops? Personally I'd rather carry a phone that's just a phone, and a laptop when I need one... it's bad enough that you can barely find a phone without a camera anymore, for those who aren't allowed cameras where they work.

Obviously one day human/computer interfaces are going to reach the point where they're more efficient than a keyboard, a decently-sized LCD display and mouse, but I can't see that happening for a long time yet.

Re:Highly capable smart phones? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538282)

For you, perhaps you can't have a camera, for every other person, the ability to always have a camera on them is a huge benefit, especially if it takes decent pictures.

And for another, think about just emulation. Already, my 528Mhz Backflip can emulate even GBA games without too many glitches, with a 2 Ghz system, you are talking about emulating things like PlayStation and other later-gen games, and if it can emulate that, developers can surely make more impressive games running natively on it.

with a keyboard, captive touchscreen, trackball, 3/4G and Wi-Fi, and a fast CPU, there is very little you can't do with the phone. Sure, it isn't going to totally replace a laptop, but it can do most of the things people use a laptop for, surfing the web, a bit of light gaming, etc.

Re:Highly capable smart phones? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538426)

Playstation can be done on far less hardware, there is a playstation emulator for the nicer phones coming out very soon.

Re:Highly capable smart phones? (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538428)

with a keyboard, captive touchscreen, trackball, 3/4G and Wi-Fi, and a fast CPU, there is very little you can't do with the phone.

That's rather my point: if you do all that then it's no longer a phone, it's a best a small laptop which can make the occasional phone call... and small keyboards are useless for the average user for anything more sophisticated than sending the occasional email. Even my netbook keyboard is painful to use for word processing for long.

So the only way that phones are going to replace laptops in the near future is by becoming small laptops with poor ergonomics.

Re:Highly capable smart phones? (0, Flamebait)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538506)

How many people even -make- phone calls anymore though? Really, the reason I've talked on the phone this past year is talking to my older relatives who haven't figured out how to text or when either I or the person I'm talking to is driving. For every other time, I've either used text messaging, IM, E-mail, Twitter or Facebook.

Really, the main reason why most people even have phones anymore is for text messaging and data. Phone calls have gone the way of letter writing, obsolete.

technical discussion is better with voice (1)

Chirs (87576) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539626)

I've got a friend who threatens to call his kids at school to make them look bad in front of the other kids....but contrary to your belief voice is not dead.

I'm a software developer that works remotely. The rest of my group is thousands of miles away.

I spend a fair bit of time reviewing or planning code. Email/texting is useful for many things, but sometimes you just need to call them up. The bandwidth for multi-way discussion of complicated ideas is far greater with voice than text.

Re:Highly capable smart phones? (1)

yahwotqa (817672) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539222)

Well, a friend of mine, who is a writer/editor for a local magazine, bought a netbook exactly because he often needs to type lot of text, and the netbook allows him to do it anytime, anywhere, comfortably (that's what he says). He praises the ergonomics of his netbook.

One anecdote contradicts another.

Re:Highly capable smart phones? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538634)

Why would they be the size of laptops?
My droid will go up to 1.2Ghz with no real issues, it still fits in my pocket. At that speed it shit stomps the not so "incredible".

Re:Highly capable smart phones? (4, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538722)

Basic phones are getting rarer, but they aren't that hard to find. I found this article a few minutes ago, supposedly updated today:

http://reviews.cnet.com/best-basic-phones/ [cnet.com]

Oddly, the top entry has a camera, a goof on their part.

The thing is that people that reject the cameras are a small enough market that it might not be worth giving much attention to.

2005 called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32539506)

They want their opinion back

Power locked away (2, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538180)

I wonder if this device will end up like the Milestone and pretty much all other Android-based Motorola devices, locked down via TrustZone to prevent the user from actually doing what they want with it.

But I suppose that's the price you pay when patronizing companies that treat the end-user as the enemy.

Re:Power locked away (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538368)

Milestone can load other kernels, this is why kexec exists.

The Droid does not have that issue. Nor does the Nexus One.

Re:Power locked away (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538662)

You still have to dance around the TrustZone lockdown, and the kernel isn't preserved between power cycles, thus still preventing your ability to alter the filesystem (read: load Cyanogen ROMs.)

Also, I said that it didn't apply to the DROID, and the Nexus One isn't a Motorola device. Did you even comprehend my post?

Re:Power locked away (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538896)

I meant that the Nexus One was an alternative not sold by a company that treats the end user as the enemy.

You can load other roms as chroots, or at least should be able too.

But yeah if you bought a milestone you were a sucker for not returning it within the 15 days or whatever.

Re:Power locked away (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538436)

[citation needed]

Mot and Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538272)

Recently, Google announced Android 2.2 [google.com] , the next version of their Linux-based mobile operating system targeted at phones and PDAs, at Google I/O 2010 [google.com] . Developers praised the update, calling it and its features a welcome addition to the platform.

Android 2.2 will bring the phone operating system closer to parity with its competitors. With 2.2r4 [google.com] out [google.com] now [google.com] and a projected final release date of Summer '10, Android 2.2 is coming fast.

But stepping back from all of the commotion, what exactly is Google offering with this update? What are these new features and who will benefit from them? There are plenty of questions about Android 2.2and here are the answers.

Five Alive

Probably the most important update for Android for its end-users is HTML5 [w3.org] . This changes very little about the platform itself, but it shows that Google is investing in the technology. It also means that users will have a seamless Web experience.

These two things are important for the future success of Android as a viable mobile platform, though Google's implementation might prove problematic.

On live devices, users will have to install Android 2.2 in its entirety to gain HTML5 support. An entire operating system upgrade for a browser? Get real and update the browser on its owndon't make your users go through the trouble of updating and installing a fundamental update just for some HTML5 support, Google. If this is how you run your phone operating system, I'd hate to see what you expect of Chrome OS [pineapple.vg] users.

And there's also the fact that HTML5 is not novel. Every other industry player has already been including HTML5 support; Apple [apple.com] has long been a proponent of this, including HTML5 support in the developmental Webkit [webkit.org] as well Safari [apple.com] since 2007. You're welcome to the party [wikipedia.org] , Google, but don't announce it like you're the one throwing it. You can make catchup, but it's still catchup.

Flash Forward

Oh, Flash [adobe.com] . Google and Adobe are performing a very calculated industry sixty-nine because both Apple and Google want the mobile-cum-portable market and Adobe wants the video portion of both.

Apple is pushing the open HTML5 standard; Adobe is pissed at Apple [apple.com] . Google, with the old the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend tactic, sees an opportunity and hooks up with Adobe. Sadly, revenge sex only seems clever at first.

The reality is that HTML5, being open and supported by hundreds of companies and standard bodies, will win in the end. Google and Adobe will look like assholes having lapped at such a bloated, poorly-coded, closed video platform that everyone else will zoom past using their browsers sans crashy plugin.

Who wins in the end? The entire industry, sharing in the HTML5 platform, and users, whose browsers don't crash or chew up excess cycles and memory. Sadly, though, not Android users, who are unwitting Adobe consumers.

Hotspotting et al

Android will also support hotspotting, or wifi sharing funneled into its 3G or 4G network, of up to eight other devices. I'm not sure if you've done any serious work on 3G yet, but it's slow.

The prospect of using one 3G account to support other Internet-hungry devices is like expecting a pygmy to carry weightlifters: backbreaking at best and otherwise impossible.

Second, Internet sharing has long been a feature of Mac OS X, which iPhone OS is built upon. This is not a new feature in neither the desktop or mobile segments. Google touting hotspotting as something new and exciting is sneaky: it's new and exciting for Android users, parched for technological conformity, but not more generally to the rest of the world.

Shame on you, Google.

Catchup-Stains

I could go on, but let's staunch the flow of catchup here. The rest of Google's laundry list is the same.

The problem is that they're not really features, per se, as iPhone OS, Symbian, Blackberry OS, and the various incarnations of mobile Windows have had most, if not all, of the Android 2.2 features for years. Android 2.2 is nothing more than Google playing catchup with the rest of the industry.

Automatic updates, auto-fill search, searching file content, SD card support, and an app storethe Desktop Android Marketplaceare all old news, and when one looks at the track record of Google announcements and the actual Android platform itself, it becomes clear that Google came way too late to the game.

It's as if Google is on some bizarre quest to emulate Apple at every point possible, and Android is its iPhone-alike, save for all of the features it does and will lack as it struggles to keep up.

Basically, Google is still coding its way to parity with WinCE and iPhone OS. Each and every update, press release, and conference talk is them announcing this. The buzz surrounding it is empty and hollow, most of which comes from the GNU/Linux crowd which views Android as its mobile Open Source savior.

To real developers and users not attached to Google's teats, Android is a novel mixture of GNU/Linux and Java technologies; an interesting if anemic path to the same destination as the rest of the mobile industry.

But it's still a long way from there, and those things do not make it worth coding for or buying. So who is Android valuable to? To whom will Android 2.2 make a single bit of difference?

Quite frankly, Android is valuable to no oneuntil Google is done playing catchup.

Re:Mot and Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538648)

Android 2.2 will bring the phone operating system closer to parity with its competitors.

Didn't read the rest of your tl;dr copypasta, but it should be noted that Android's competitors are currently busting their ass to bring their software back to parity with Android.

with just enough battery life... (0, Troll)

sneakyimp (1161443) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538296)

...to boot it up and view the android splash screen before you have to shut it down again and charge it.

Not from Apple == Do not want (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538308)

Specifications are useless without the design and the status. My equation is simple. If Apple makes it, it is worth buying. If anyone else does, no thanks.

Think Different.
Think Better.
Think Apple.

Re:Not from Apple == Do not want (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538408)

Or in your case, don't think at all.

Re:Not from Apple == Do not want (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538552)

Clever, but you are missing the point. Consider this: what if someone else already did the thinking, and they were right? What use is there in further thinking? It is nothing but wasted time and energy.

Re:Not from Apple == Do not want (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539486)

Nice troll, but if thinking is wasted energy you should probably end your life now. It would be better for everyone.

Re:Not from Apple == Do not want (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539806)

Are you sure they're right, and will they always be right? How can you tell?

If you just believe because some other twit told you do, have I got a great cult for you! We wear comfy robes, and the Kool-Aid is totally free!

Right, because there are never trade-offs... (5, Insightful)

divisionbyzero (300681) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538324)

in engineering. You can always have everything you want. I'm surprised the world hasn't been perfected yet. :-/ Come on, something has to give somewhere. This announcement is worse than vapor. It's vapor that can never exist. Lame.

Re:Right, because there are never trade-offs... (1)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538496)

Come on, something has to give somewhere. This announcement is worse than vapor. It's vapor that can never exist. Lame.

You must have missed the last few seasons of 24. Jack Bauer had a phone that never dropped a call (even on airplanes, choppers, and in subway tunnels), never had a dead battery, and had 3D animations instantaneously transferred from Chloe and rendered on his phone in real time. Apparently Motorola has been holding out on the rest of us.

Irrelevant to me - while data plans are mandatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538422)

I will only be interested in Android phones once carriers are willing to let me use one without forcing me into a data plan.

Tmobile is allowing this now, but I've heard rumors that they're going to change this in the future.

http://androidforums.com/t-mobile/89836-tmobile-forcing-change-data-android.html

Re:Irrelevant to me - while data plans are mandato (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538554)

T-mobile will allow if you buy the phone outright, they let you pay for it over 20 months though at 0% interest. If you buy it subsidized you will be forced to get a data plan. T-mobile unsubsidized is the way to go with them, you save the difference in the first year.

2 cores needed, not 2 GHz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538470)

2 GHz seems unlikely this year and smacks of desperation from Motorola. First they make a decent hit with the Droid, but then they get blown away by HTC and continuing innovation from Apple. As we move more toward multitasking, users can benefit far more from multiple cores instead of higher MHz/GHz.

Why? (2, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538670)

What could you possibly be doing on a 4" screen that requires multiple cores? Are you running a folding program? Massive game platform?

Hell, there are a total of three things I might be doing "at once" on a phone - listening to streaming (or onboard) music, browsing (whether it be web, contacts, reading, whatever) and sharing an internet connection with someone else. Everything else that's running in the background is essentially timer or interrupt based (alarms, calendar, notifications) and takes practically zero cycles (relative to the billion per second we currently have).

I'll be honest - I'm rarely doing more than two things at once on my desktop. I leave programs open so I can switch quickly, but even the non-multitasking iPhone saves the state of the program when it "exits" so you come back to right where you left off.

I'm missing where I would even want two processors eating at my battery life, at least until there's a really pressing reason for it.

Re:Why? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538934)

Some of use may want to be able to do a little more than that. Would be awesome to transcode video on the fly rather than have to do it ahead of time on a desktop.

Re:Why? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539192)

Again, why? There's no good reason I can think of to be transcoding on your phone.

(1) you want to watch a movie in the "wrong" format
    >>> get a player/codec that reads it.

(2) you need to reduce the resolution (i.e. you put a 1080p MKV rip of Avatar on your phone)
    >>> Why would you waste storage memory like that? a 12GB file isn't really suitable to uSD.
    >>> It would still be faster to t/c, downres on your workstation by an order of magnitude, and as a bonus the fil would get transferred to your memory card / phone that much faster.

(3) because you can
    >>> Fair enough, but that's going to be one hot, low battery* level phone.

(note: batteries have a finite life. The more you drain them, the shorter time they last. I figure it costs me about 25c per charge in battery replacement on my laptop, and the annoyance of having a shorter battery life sooner. I do as little on battery as I can, so that when I need it, I get the most for my money. YMMV)

Re:Why? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539674)

Because a DVD is only 8GB max and most are much smaller. I want to be able to play right from the ISOs I have stored on my HTPC. When the iso is only 4GB with a 16GB sd card that is not a huge deal. I will be using a 32GB one or larger in the next phone anyway. Heck I may get one for this phone.

I get a new phone every 18months for very little money, so killing the battery is not a big deal.

Get the title right (2, Funny)

alta (1263) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538502)

Why does it have to be android? I read the summary, nowhere does it say android. Maybe moto already has a deal to license iOS.

Maybe the subject could read "Moto to make 2Ghz iOS phone by the end of the year" Someone's assuming it's android, aren't they?

Take "Android" out of title to be accurate. :p

Yeah I know... it's probably android. I'm just in a bad mood ;) And no way apple would license.

Re:Get the title right (1)

placo (1829820) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538762)

From a link in the full story

By the end of the year, Motorola will be releasing a phone with a 2 GHz processor, Jha said. While the executive did not elaborate any further, another Motorola executive who asked to remain anonymous said that this new phone is intended to incorporate everything that is technologically possible in a smartphone today. It will be based on Android, and include, like the iPhone 4, a gyroscope and add an Nvidia Tegra-based graphics processor with full Flash 10.1 hardware acceleration. It appears that the 2 GHz chip will be an evolutionary step above the current 1 GHz Snapdragon chip.

This is going to be about as useful as 300+dpi (2, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538514)

Sure, there will be niche, but I think we've just entered the penis measurement realm here. Personally, I'm going to be impressed when one of these devices can be charged once a week, not every night.* 2GHz will be nice at times - don't get me wrong - but I'm more interested in how little power it will take when in an active sleep state, and how well it will throttle back for background apps. This is no better than that stupid, non-standard 640x960, too-small-to-be-useful screen that Apple is putting on their new phone.

Perhaps Adobe should figure out how to make flash less processor intensive, rather than having to beef up every mobile processor and suck the battery dry to play video/games with poorly optimized code.

All apologies to the seventeen developers who plan on using their new android phones as their primary workstation.

*Yes, both my iPhone and my HTC Fuze can last more than a day, but two days is really pressing your luck if you find you really need them towards the end of the second day.

Re:This is going to be about as useful as 300+dpi (4, Informative)

AresTheImpaler (570208) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539106)

here's a pic of the 300+dpi screen compared to anon 300+dpi iphone:
linky [mobilecrunch.com]
I know that it's not as amazing that apple wants to make it sound, but the pixel density is awesome and would help a lot on applications that have lots of text. Hell it's great for pictures too.

Gimme a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32538672)

WTF are you going to do with it? Email, web browsing (will Flash work? No.) Document editing? Not likely, on such a tiny screen. Games? No mention of 3D acceleration. Will it allow apps to run from external storage, or have any external storage at all? I'll save my money.

Re:Gimme a break (1)

Bagels (676159) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539288)

Support for flash is available under Android 2.2, as is running apps from external storage. External storage has always been accessible for media, caching, etc. It would be pretty hard to find a modern phone chipset out there that doesn't support 3D acceleration of some sort, particularly on something as high end as a 2GHz chip. Can't comment on the document editing - there's definitely apps out there for it, but I'd rather work with something closer to a full-sized keyboard.

I like the idea... (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538710)

Personally, don't need a camera, but I would like:
1. The phone to be bigger. I'm thinking 50% bigger than a blackberry.
2. Be mostly touchscreen, but still have some actual buttons
3. Drop rated. I'm mean to phones.
4. BIG battery - part of the bigger size
5. Larger antenna - I hang out in low signal areas
6. Bluetooth - won't normally use the phone's microphone/speakers, but use a BT headset most of the time.

speed wars (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538756)

I hope this does not degenerate to the speed wars of the PC kind. Where one could buy a 20 million GHZ computer with a 1 MHz frontside bus and hard drive with a transfer rate of 1 kb per minute $100. Then we would hear how stupid we were for buy another computer for $1,000 that only ran at 1 GHZ.

I mean, for a phone the least important spec is how fast the CPU runs. Since phone use is much more graphical, I am more interested in what the GPU is doing.

for those worried about battery life... (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 3 years ago | (#32538850)

Keep in mind the process shink to >45nm is coming later this year; that will get us to these faster speeds as well as improved power consumption. Think Pentium 4 vs later procs for an example of this in action.

I'm wondering if Android and Android apps are ready for dual-core platforms. A 2gHz single core phone may be a better option than a dual 1gHz core, depending on that situation. If not, I'm sure next year's big Android release (2.4?) should be ready for it, since those dual-core Qualcomm SoCs are already shipping. Plenty of time for a big announcement at near year's Google I/O. Or maybe Gingerbread will do this later this year?

Good times...

Battery life? (1)

shadowfaxcrx (1736978) | more than 3 years ago | (#32539656)

I'm guessing they're going to take a 1st gen Droid, gut it, install a monster battery in the case, then attach that to the back of the new phone just to power it for more than 3 hours.

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