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Iceland Votes "Já" To Proposed News Haven

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the right-courteous-of-them dept.

Censorship 232

eldavojohn writes "The proposed rules shielding journalists harbored in Iceland are now official. It appears that sites like Wikileaks and Cryptome could have a friendlier home base. For those familiar with the Icelandic tongue, the voting results and legalese. Some of the details can be found at www.immi.is."

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My first thought was... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593624)

"Awesome!"

Wow (5, Funny)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593638)

It would be nice to get something like this in the US.

Re:Wow (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593748)

It would be nice to get something like this in the US.

Yeah.

You could say that Iceland is warming up to freedom-of-the-press advocates.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593980)

It would be nice to get something like this in the US.

Yeah.

You could say that Iceland is warming up to freedom-of-the-press advocates.

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

Re:Wow (-1, Troll)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593838)

Really? So when some idiot steals a bunch of your personal information, posts it on the web or sells it and claims it he was a journalist, and your bank accounts end up empty ... you're okay with that?

Or when someone steals some internal memos detailing the troop movements that also happen to include your brothers sqad in Iraq ... which promptly gets him killed ... you're okay with that?

Censorship is a fact of life. Not everyone needs to know everything about everyone else. If you disagree, please post all your credit cards and any identification numbers you have.

In my experience those who scream loudest about how censorship is bad are those that are the most ignorant of the meaning of the word.

You wouldn't last very long in the world if you didn't censor yourself. You'd be unemployed, lonely, and have no support from anyone around you ever.

I'm so sick of idiotic morons such as yourself who think things like Wikileaks are good.

Journalists can not be trusted any more than politicians, they have an agenda as well. They don't care about what will happen when they 'spread the news' only that they get credit for doing so and just completely ignore all the consequences and side effects of the stupid shit they do.

This isn't about getting the information to the people, this is about letting journalists do whatever they want under the guise of providing useful information to the people.

Again I say, if you think this is a good idea, then start posting all your personal information and identity numbers/photos, please make sure to include your cell phone sim card info, credit/bank cards, home address, work schedule so I know when to rob you, passwords to your email accounts and any other security feature you may have.

Re:Wow (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593896)

Thanks for that - I haven't laughed so hard for ages.

Oh, you were serious ...

Re:Wow (3, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593900)

Wow, talk about missing the point...

Re:Wow (0, Offtopic)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593964)

Wow, a troll mod for stating that parent is completely mischaracterizing the issue?

Clue for the mods: He's supposed to get the troll mod, I'm supposed to get the overrated mod.

So hard to find good help these days...

Re:Wow (2, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594270)

Privacy requires censorship.

And one man's news is another man's invasion of privacy.

Re:Wow (2, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594672)

And one man's news is another man's invasion of privacy.

And one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Do you have a point, or do you want us to spout cliches at each other all day?

Re:Wow (-1, Flamebait)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594786)

You should change your name to Captain Irony.

"you missed the point" is cliche, and in your case, ironic. Because YOU missed the point, which was my point, but missed by you again. So, you've missed the point, twice, in a twist of irony to boot.

Hardly Splendid ... Captain. ;)

Re:Wow (0, Offtopic)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594874)

Jesus Christ, this is why you know Slashdot sucks these days: Even the pro trolls bring the weak sauce...

Re:Wow (0, Redundant)

DarrenBaker (322210) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594008)

Colonel Jessup? Is that you?

Re:Wow (2, Insightful)

vxice (1690200) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594064)

Congratulations you just beat down a straw man argument. Almost as fun as beating the real argument but way easier. There is a difference between posting all your private information and hiding video of U.S. soldiers committing crimes. Big difference. And the rights and freedoms we, previously, enjoy here are meant to protect us from the government. They are the biggest criminal because they write the laws. Yeah most are good people but that is only because when they commit crimes news reporters, at least the good ones, out them and they get fired/resign. Government can't be immune from the law, when you have that there is nothing keeping those that run the government from protecting their own interests since they wont loose their job if they don't watch out for the people. I would like a little more than a warm fuzzy feeling keeping my government on task. And yes this does inconvenience some people but freedom isn't free.

Wake up America! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594318)

And nobody should know about abuses of power either. Gosh, if the American public ever found out why so much of the world hates them, what would happen then?!?

Terrorists attacked the USA, and the people have no idea why. You think "Freedom hating bastards! That's why they did it!" Perhaps if the American people understood that the government that (mis)represents them is what is getting otherwise innocent Americans killed, then it could stop.

Please Americans, you need to pull your head out of your asses! For your own good as well as the rest of us. Blind Patriotism chanting "we're number one" does not make it so. If you only knew how far from number one you actually are, you could do something about it. Reclaim that title. America was wonderful, and a land of the free. So much has been lost, and ignorance of so much around you will erode what little is left. I fear it may already be too late. I hope it is not.

Re:Wow (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594494)

God I love feeding the trolls some days.

Really? So when some idiot steals a bunch of your personal information, posts it on the web or sells it and claims it he was a journalist, and your bank accounts end up empty ... you're okay with that?

So you're okay when some idiot steals your personal information, uses it to better himself, but you have no proof because everything regarding it becomes censored material?

Or when someone steals some internal memos detailing the troop movements that also happen to include your brothers sqad in Iraq ... which promptly gets him killed ... you're okay with that?

So when your brother gets killed by intentional friendly fire in Iraq and instead of dealing with the matter, the government sweeps it under the rug and no one hears about it?

Censorship is a fact of life. Not everyone needs to know everything about everyone else. If you disagree, please post all your credit cards and any identification numbers you have.

If you think Censorship is good, then please stop talking, because it will inevitably be deleted by a mod in a little while anyways. There is no point in even posting an opinion since it'll just get censored. Now we're wasting bandwidth

In my experience those who scream loudest about how censorship is bad are those that are the most ignorant of the meaning of the word.

censorship /snsrp/ –noun
1.the act or practice of censoring.
2.the office or power of a censor.
3.the time during which a censor holds office.
4.the inhibiting and distorting activity of the Freudian censor.

You wouldn't last very long in the world if you didn't censor yourself. You'd be unemployed, lonely, and have no support from anyone around you ever.

I'm so sick of idiotic morons such as yourself who think things like Wikileaks are good.

You wouldn't last very long in the world if you censored everything either. You'd be uneducated, ignorant, and have no where to turn for support on anything. You'd probably live a life of slavery because you wouldn't know any better.

Journalists can not be trusted any more than politicians, they have an agenda as well. They don't care about what will happen when they 'spread the news' only that they get credit for doing so and just completely ignore all the consequences and side effects of the stupid shit they do.

So if we agree that all journalists and politicians are corrupt, what does it matter what they do? Censor or not, its journalism?

This isn't about getting the information to the people, this is about letting journalists do whatever they want under the guise of providing useful information to the people.

Which would be like how letting things go completely censored would be like letting politicians do what they want under the guise that its for your own good, but you can't know what they're doing.

Again I say, if you think this is a good idea, then start posting all your personal information and identity numbers/photos, please make sure to include your cell phone sim card info, credit/bank cards, home address, work schedule so I know when to rob you, passwords to your email accounts and any other security feature you may have.

Wait, I forget how this is related. how about, if you think Censorship is a good idea, you give ME all your info, and we'll see if anyone comes along to censor it. After all, censoring yourself is completely different from censoring someone else.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Re:Wow (4, Funny)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593860)

I don't get it mods, why is this funny? It really would be nice to have this in the US.

Re:Wow (4, Funny)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593990)

I don't get it mods, why is this funny?

Commonly called absurdist humor [wikipedia.org]

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594104)

Which part is absurd? The idea that the US already has this, or the idea that they might actually get it?

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594408)

Surreal humour, also called absurdist humour, is a form of humour, stylistically related to the artistic ambitions of the surrealists, based on bizarre juxtapositions, absurd situations and nonsense.

The absurdity here is the reversal. To allow this on US soil, politicians would have to give up some of their censorship powers, which wont happen without a revolt. The reason there needs to be a safe haven for leaks is to give information to the people, but an ignorant population is easier to control.

Re:Wow (4, Insightful)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594420)

...The idea that the US already had this, or the idea that they might actually get it?

Fixed that for you.

Re:Wow (4, Insightful)

Tekfactory (937086) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594014)

Maybe sad and ironic because freedom of the press had been one of our hard fought for and cherished American institutions. This was back when journalists investigated and reported on stories, not just plagarized them, or made them up entirely. This was also before News who's job was to inform became Entertainment who's job was to grab ratings from other reality shows.

Similar institutions include the now crumbling protections formerly afforded to whistleblowers.

Re:Wow (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594144)

Man, Iceland is so lucky.

and with an extra cover (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593650)

of ashes!!

is it just me? (5, Interesting)

tomkost (944194) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593664)

Seems like the "socialist" Scandinavian countries are the most honest and "free". I've visited many of them and always been received with kindness. Yes, the women are as attractive and "fun" as stereotyped. Time to investigate moving there.

Re:is it just me? (0)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593684)

But the beer costs $10 a glass.

They have much to learn about balancing the needs of the people and the needs of the state.

Re:is it just me? (3, Informative)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593718)

But the beer costs $10 a glass.

Yeah, but you don't get ridiculous jail time for minor drug possessions. It's a tradeoff.

Re:is it just me? (1)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593788)

No it doesn't. And no, none of the Scandinavian countries have among highest suicide rate in the world. And no, we don't have icebears in the streets.

You have much to learn about checking facts instead of repeating myths.

Re:is it just me? (3, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593932)

And no, we don't have icebears in the streets.

See, you shouldn't have said that. Icebears in the street is a good thing.

Re:is it just me? (1)

Tekfactory (937086) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594058)

So where DO you keep the Icebears?

Re:is it just me? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594180)

By the fireplace in the winters, out in the yard in the summers... Icebears have an undeserved reputation of being fierce whilst every scandinavian knows they are just huggably soft and cuddly...

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594368)

Right next to our polar bears

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594210)

And no, none of the Scandinavian countries have among highest suicide rate in the world.

Even if countries like Sweden do have a higher suicide rate that most, it isn't necessarily due to them being unhappier.

For example, lots of countries are considering allowing assisted suicide where a patient has a terminal disease. A country that allows that would seemingly have a higher suicide rate than one that didn't, as the cause of death would be filed under 'disease' in the other country, even though the number of deaths is the same.

Also, less religious countries might have their suicide rate raised because fewer people believe they'll be burnt in hell if they commit suicide.

Statistics can be very tricky things...

Re:is it just me? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594570)

And no, we don't have icebears in the streets.

You have streets?? ~

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32595060)

Lol, you know thats just a myth right?

Sweden for example was one of the countries that started do statistic on those kind of things and do it honest so even some types of overdose counts as suicide. That is why we had very high numbers compared to other countries back in the 60s or something when this myth started.

Re:is it just me? (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593796)

But the beer costs $10 a glass.

Well, at the dollar's current valuation, that doesn't surprise me.

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594254)

But the beer costs $10 a glass.

Well, at the dollar's current valuation, that doesn't surprise me.

I can't speak for any other country, but in Sweden it's 5-6 $ / glass

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594642)

I think they cost $10-12 in Norway, but thats because all kind of food is expensive there.

Fun fact: A pizza cost five times more in Norway than in Sweden.

Norway, no way!

Re:is it just me? (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594772)

Well, at the dollar's current valuation, that doesn't surprise me.

The dollar's current valuation? Compared to what, the krona? [google.com] Euros? [yahoo.com] Pounds sterling? [yahoo.com] Canadian dollars? [yahoo.com] Yen? [yahoo.com]

Maybe it should surprise you..... I mean, if you're in Australia [yahoo.com] you have an excuse...

Whatever. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594852)

I've got like, several trillion interstellar krona.

Iceland takes those, right? Right?!

Re:is it just me? (5, Interesting)

CallMyCards (1432059) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593988)

Well, there's places in US where beer might cost as much, it's not that expensive in everywhere in Finland for example. A sizable portion of that is taxes of course to cover the medical costs caused by alcoholism, since healthcare is essentially free. Same with taxing of gasoline (naturally not towards alcoholism), I think that 75% of the price is tax, currently at roughly 6.75 $ for a US gallon.

Off topic: A funny detail is, that Nordic countries have this unofficial (maybe even official) agreement that in acute medical cases, citizens of other Nordic countries are taken care of for free, basically with no questions asked. No need to show travel insurance or anything, applies to operations, x-rays etc.

but just for people that look just like me! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594224)

yeah, it's easy have a successful social democratic welfare state when your country is racially homogeneous.

Re:but just for people that look just like me! (2, Insightful)

jbssm (961115) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594716)

Oh, you mean racially homogeneous like the Netherlands that also have a social system quite similar to their fellow Nordic countries and lot's of emigrants?
By your chain of though, the most "racially homogeneous" (hot news man, there are not races amongst humans, there are only ethnics) of all countries in Europe, Poland should be a socialist heaven, right? Well, take a look at them.

I love when you Americans try to find excuses for why socialism in a moderate degree works better than the system you have just because of some NON issue.

Re:but just for people that look just like me! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594894)

Almost 20% of swedens population is of foreign origin, and that doesn't include the "paperless" or refugees that's not citizens.

Re:but just for people that look just like me! (5, Informative)

arth1 (260657) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594942)

Racially homogeneous? You have no idea what you're talking about. In Sweden, around 12% of the population are first generation immigrants, of which around 75% are from non-Western countries.
That's much higher than the average for Europe, with around 6% immigrants, and about the same as in the US (38 million first generation immigrants out of 307 million in 2009).

Looking at the largest Scandinavian cities, Oslo and Stockholm both have around 25% immigrants, most of whom are from non-Western countries. Compared to where I live in the US, I am the one living in a racially homogeneous area, with more than 96% crackers.

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594284)

They don't have a border with Mexico do they?

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593996)

American or European?

Re:is it just me? (1)

M8e (1008767) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594306)

But the beer costs $2 a bottle.

TFTFY

Re:is it just me? (1)

jbezorg (1263978) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594770)

But the beer costs $10 a glass.

Well, sometimes going cheaper by buying pre-owned isn't always the best choice.

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32595122)

I know what you mean. But it's really strange how US bear can both taste like pre-owned and still is fucking close to water.

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593710)

You'll regret it, trust me.

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593762)

Parent, you'll love it! And I know better than this other AC.

Why should you trust my unsubstantiated word more than theirs? Because I wrote more words down!

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593732)

Iceland has nothing to hide. Go for it.

Re:is it just me? (1)

NervousWreck (1399445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593772)

Check the tax rates. I don't know exactly but I've heard some pretty interesting things from Swedish acquaintances.

Re:is it just me? (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593878)

But they get stuff for their tax money. Instead of here were we get almost the same tax rate, but no healthcare, shitty roads, no real social services to speak of and a government that passes laws for the highest bidder.

You may not like high taxes, but I would prefer high taxes and services to slightly lower taxes but nothing in exchange.

Re:is it just me? (-1, Troll)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594120)

I just love it when people speak for me without my permission. Thanks.

You have no idea what Liberty is do you? Health Care is a right? Where is your healthcare when you're stranded on an island or dying in the desert?

The moment you demand of others that which you're unwilling, or unable to secure for yourself, you've become a tyrant. Any government that gives you everything you want, can (and will)take everything you have. Tyrants are like that.

Re:is it just me? (2, Insightful)

sadness203 (1539377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594222)

Hmmm...
Yeah... true... with a shitload of cash in your wallet, you'll be doing fine dying in the desert or on an island.

Re:is it just me? (-1, Troll)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594628)

Socialism is great until you realize that eventually you run out of other people's money (Greece). It is a ponzi scheme. The US has already crossed over that threshold to failure of the system.

Of course that doesn't matter to the dimwits on the left, they just think everyone elses taxes are too low.

There aren't enough people paying taxes and they don't make enough money to pay for all the things people want. We're going to have to do with LESS, but nobody is willing to preach that to the amen choir.

Re:is it just me? (5, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#32595004)

Being half-Greek, I think you'll find that Greece's bankruptcy has more to do with being Greece than with being socialist. It's not even particularly socialist in practice. There's a huge private sector that pays effectively 0% taxes, and even the officially free health care in practice operates as quasi-private--- doctors work 2nd private practices outside their official jobs, and they uh, strongly suggest that you make an appointment with that one rather than with the free one. Oh, and they don't pay taxes on those private practices, either (cash-only payments, no receipts, no reporting).

If Greece were more like Sweden, where rich people actually pay taxes, public services that are officially provided are actually provided, etc., its budget, and the country in general, would be in better shape.

Re:is it just me? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32595058)

You don't know much about the outside world do you?

A little bit of socialism like they have in the Nordic countries accounts for a more equal society, a less violent society and a less corrupt society. And they're not doing too bad in the world market either. It's just better on the whole. Maybe it is less "free" in your sense of the word. Selfish, privileged pricks like you won't get to be as filthy rich as easily off the sweat and blood of oppressed workers, but living in poverty and ill health is not freedom either, from a the perspective of a decent human being. Fuck you.

Re:is it just me? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594512)

But, that's human nature. We reign over nature, so is it that much of a stretch to reign over "the weak"?

As much as I am a libertarian, I am starting to think that tyranny is in the very nature of man: if we can do something we wish, we do. It is only the fact that "the weak" can associate and cooperate to tend to slow the advance of the strong. For the weak tend to be many and (out of necessity) often respectful of their peers and thus easily organized against a common threat. The counterpoint is that the very weak are corruptible and will prostitute their ethics for the promises of the strong (healthcare, and all other nanny state perqs).

But, really, if the last remaining superpower could eradicate other nations with its might, why doesn't it? Perhaps it isn't quite strong enough (yet). Perhaps a "scortched earth" isn't really all that valuable when you can't effectively just kill people and not destroy their things. Perhaps the few remaining will be hell-bent on revenge.

However, given the species' propensity for short-sightedness, I am convinced that if an effective weapon to kill people and leave "things" intact were developed, it would be used: "To hell with people of nation X! If they can't resist our onslaught they are not even human." I don't think that reasoning is much of a stretch.

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594214)

we get almost the same tax rate, but no healthcare, shitty roads, no real social services to speak of

I bet a huge difference is the financial aspect of being policeman to the world.

But at the end of the day Americans already spend more per capita on healthcare and we pay into trust funds for retirement and disability and rebuilding highways/infrastucture. And that money gets stolen by congress.

We have a problem with a system that will eagerly piss away more of our money without delivering results. I am hesitent to give them more.

Re:is it just me? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593902)

Would these be M or FP voters? Because those guys will sometimes make up some very "interesting" statistics that show how us Swedes supposedly pay close to 100% of our incomes in taxes. (In case you're wondering, the trick is to only count income tax for some other country and then compare that to income tax + sales tax + import tax for anything the "average" Swede buys and so on).

Another common complaint from the same crowd is about the so-called "Jante law" which supposedly rears its ugly head in the form of Swedes being dismissive and unfriendly to anyone successful, not to mention apparently sabotaging anyone destined to be successful (I know this is not something unique for Sweden but those who blame the "Jante law" will often claim it is). In reality most people who whine about how the "Jante law" is keeping them down seem to be either reality TV "stars" who aren't in the spotlight anymore (and no-one's buying their autobiography *insert surprised look here*) or failed "entrepreneurs" who had a useless business model, failed and then blame "everyone else" to ensure that they can still get investors for their next crackpot idea...

Re:is it just me? (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593906)

From my point of view (quite close to Nordic areas) - ok, I pay slightly lower taxes, great. Those that are collected are used worse; too much waste around.

Re:is it just me? (1)

migla (1099771) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594044)

Yes, I guess taxes are high, but then health care is as good as free and studying at the university is free and I'm sure there are plenty of other nice things taxes help buy us.

If you want to experience the wonders of (limited) socialism, you might want to visit soon, since the gap between the haves and the have-nots is widening. Free market is pretty much the norm in peoples minds in Sweden too and we are selling out our commons.

Re:is it just me? (2, Interesting)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594080)

When you have paid your tax and all of your obligatory (those that you must be either stupid or too poor to not have) insurances I bet that the Swedes have a larger % of their salary left after their taxes and insurances are paid. As a Swede I pay around 29% in tax and I'm OK with that as long as I can rely on reasonable public services like health care and yearly limits on how much I have to pay for medicine, should I need it.

I'd really like to see a lower VAT though. 25% (except for food and books) is ridiculous and makes everything so much more expensive to buy. I order almost everything on the Internet from the UK, Germany or the north-eastern European countries.

Re:is it just me? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593780)

Probably the most important ingredient of their success is their small size.

I urge everyone to read works by Leopold Kohr...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Kohr

Re:is it just me? (4, Insightful)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593842)

Well...unfortuntelly, reality has a socialist bias.

Re:is it just me? (2, Interesting)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594458)

I'm just curious, what exactly did you mean by this comment?

I'm not trying to be snarky, I am just not sure what you're trying to state by saying reality has a bias.

Re:is it just me? (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32595178)

The parent may be referring to our ancestry, which evolved to a point where it was better not to kill members of your own species*, but to help them instead. The Greater Good and all that.

*Except anyone outside the monkey sphere. I'm not saying I subscribe to the idea but it does seem interesting.

Re:is it just me? (0, Troll)

Shark (78448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594508)

Pay a very close attention to how the reality you refer to is generated. Your reality is a product of the information you are given.

My FTFY would have 'reality' replaced by 'government'. But I'll grant you that government is increasingly responsible for our perception of reality anyway. It is responsible for our schooling and it writes our laws... Culture is a mere byproduct of failures and successes at those two things.

Re:is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594520)

It's a Brave New World [ubergeek.tv]

Bandwagon anyone? (5, Insightful)

NervousWreck (1399445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593728)

According to the article, Iceland did this to make it a more desirable server location. Seems like that market can serve as an incentive for more "data friendly" laws; Here's hoping other countries follow suit.

Re:Bandwagon anyone? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593862)

They did this because Wikileaks posted bank records for one of their failing banks which showed they were transferring billions of dollars out into safe havens as they were going down. Seeing as how the big bank fiasco tanked their economy they didn't take to kindly to this misappropriation of funds and decided Wikileaks was a good thing.

Re:Bandwagon anyone? (1)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593884)

Is there really big money in catering to sites like cryptome and wikileaks? Only the most non-mainstream of journalists are going to see this as a plus. NYT or WaPo aren't ever going to run afoul of American laws regarding their website; not in a way that would impact their bottom line, I don't think. Don't get me wrong, I think wikileaks and cryptome are the greatest thing since the printing press. But I would think that if a country wants to be a go-to place for server hosting to make money, they would look at attracting other clienteles.

Re:Bandwagon anyone? (1)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594624)

Is there really big money in catering to sites like cryptome and wikileaks?

Depends on your business model. If you have targeted ads, you might do well.

A well placed antacid advertisement might just hook a scumbag CEO reading about himself.

An amazon associate link to The Book of Virtues [amazon.com] probably wouldn't go over so well to the same CEO.

Re:Bandwagon anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594860)

If you are a country of 300.000 people with 0.035% of world GDP, then attracting the most prosecuted 1% of global IT infrastructure may be a large enough volume.
And given the way world moves, even the big players like Google, e-bay or whatever may find that the "news haven" clause is just the thing that they need.

Re:Bandwagon anyone? (1)

Tekfactory (937086) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593904)

Seems like the should promote themselves as a location for "passive cooling" and offer carbon credits or something equivalent.

err, the rules are not yet official (5, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593802)

The proposal to draft some rules is now official. The rules themselves will now be drafted by a committee, and then the committee will present them to the legislature, which may then in the future enact them. The proposal is indeed promising, as is the strong (unanimous) support for tasking the committee with fleshing it out, but what exactly the committee will come back with could vary quite a bit.

Gunboat Diplomacy (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32593830)

Nothing a little Gunboat Diplomacy couldn't resolve.

Iceland = Hoth? (1)

aapold (753705) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593882)

The Evil Empire will never find us here, General Assange!

Re:Iceland = Hoth? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594134)

Iceland's pretty green, actually.

It's Greenland that's pretty icy.

EU membership will undo this (4, Interesting)

jdesbonnet (22) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593946)

That will probably be all undone as a condition to EU membership (which I think is inevitable at this point).

Re:EU membership will undo this (1)

Balinares (316703) | more than 4 years ago | (#32593986)

> That will probably be all undone as a condition to EU membership

Why?

Re:EU membership will undo this (2, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594100)

Why?

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It's alright we told you what to dream.

Re:EU membership will undo this (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594158)

Cos he's Ayn Randian.

Re:EU membership will undo this (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594192)

Because the EU is an anti-democratic, lobbyist-ridden clusterfuck.

Re:EU membership will undo this (4, Funny)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594518)

Oh! So you guys are trying to compete with us Yanks on that side of the drink. =P

Re:EU membership will undo this (2, Interesting)

jbssm (961115) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594918)

What are you talking about? Check the world stats for freedom of the press [wikipedia.org] . EU countries are ALL, either less restrictive than USA or at most, some are equally restrictive.

I know things are not perfect around here when you go on a country by country basis in southern European countries and Eastern European, but most of the laws and directives of the EU commission are quite good ones for the normal citizen, you can see they are not there just to defend the rich ones.

But mostly and what shows me that you don't know what are you talking about, is that Iceland is already quite into the EU, they belong to Schengen Space and to EU free trade zone. And the talks to enter the EU are already practically finished, the only real step left for them to join us, is they own internal referendum about the subject, that should happen in 2 years.

SteamPunks (1)

vainvanevein (1428547) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594038)

how dare they!

A dull yawn peirces the night... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594092)

...flat, drab passion meanders across the screen in reaction to this piece. And the crowd goes "Yay."

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Who the hell comes from ICEland? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594146)

And why? Is it a penal colony? Is it a lepar colony? Is it a lemur colony? Who the hell comes from ICEland? Freaks like that cat fighter/singer byorn bork?

Oh no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594256)

It's a trap!

This feels familiar somehow.... (2, Funny)

f3rret (1776822) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594396)

Now if only Iceland hid some forgotten caches of WW2-era war-gold then it would be the perfect placr to build The Crypt [wikipedia.org]

Not Everything is Journalism (1)

retardpicnic (1762292) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594398)

Posting military documents that get leaked is not just journalism and should not be protected. What gets overlooked is that most countries spy on each other, and have vast amounts of other countries encrypted mail. This is not a problem until someone leaks the actual wire. By amassing enough of these unencrypted vs. encrypted matches other countries can get a real leg up in the computing time needed to crack keys. So while the state dept might end up with egg on its face this "journalism" winds up with huge potential for dead soldiers. I'll admit this is extreme, but possible.

Re:Not Everything is Journalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32594728)

And not leaking it allows military personnel to commit atrocities and never be found out. I know where I stand on that one...

I live in New Haven... (2, Funny)

seandiggity (992657) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594540)

...you insensitive clod!

A good idea for Iceland (4, Interesting)

Favonius Cornelius (1691688) | more than 4 years ago | (#32594552)

For those small island states, especially broke ones, you need to invent a reason for people to care. This kind of freedom of speech could bring in money in one form or another and help remake Iceland. Good for them!
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