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Nintendo 3DS Early Impressions

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the new-ways-to-freak-out-your-cat dept.

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Now that E3 attendees have had a chance to try out the new revision of Nintendo's portable console, critiques of the 3D effect and updated layout are starting to filter in. Opinion thus far has been mostly positive. Wired writes, "The graphics, which are much more advanced than you’d expect from Nintendo, left me pretty much in disbelief. They're on a level with Sony’s PSP, probably even a little better than that. But the eye-popping 3-D effect makes everything that much richer." According to the Guardian's Games blog, it works "beautifully." They add, "You can perceive 3D only if the console is directly in front of you, but this is fine for handheld gaming. I actually found it pretty adaptable in terms of viewing from different vertical positions. It was much more sensitive if the handheld was turned slightly to the left or right, but really, it coped perfectly with the slight shifts and jerks you'd get on a morning commute." During Shigeru Miyamoto's annual dev roundtable, he explained how Nintendo felt that particular types of games, such as shooters, benefit more from the 3D effect than others, and how Nintendo hopes to update as many older games as they can to incorporate 3D gameplay in addition to 3D graphics.

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I see.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600078)

An explosion of porn apps for the 3ds.

(ha)

Re:I see.... (1)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600466)

I'd be more worried about the term "pop-up ad" getting an entirely new meaning. No, not very relevant on the 3DS, but other applications will probably not lag behind.

Re:I see.... (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#32601136)

An explosion of porn apps for the 3ds.

No console maker allows AO rated games, and there have been fewer than a dozen M rated games on the DS.

Jews for Nerds! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600128)

Jews, also known as kikes, hebes, hymies, yids, gold niggers, oven magnets, hook noses, sheenies, swindlers, criminals, "firewood", and Arabs in denial are a subhuman species of reptilian extra-terrestrials and adherents to one of the world's oldest major religions, called "Judaism", otherwise known as "The Worship of Money" or "Eating Arab Babies".

Judaism was the world's first master race theory. The Jew religion teaches that Jews are the Chosen People of God and that there is a sacred mystical quality to Jew DNA. In olden times, Jew prophets would, under the command of YHWH, frequently lead the Jews on genocidal rampages against neighboring populations, and even today Jew leaders often cite Jewish religious ideals to justify their ongoing genocide of sandniggers. Judaism ironically found its mirror-image inversion in the anti-Jew Aryan racialism of the Nazis.

Despite only being 0.22% of the world's population, Jews control 99% of the world's money. Not only do the Jews control the world, but also the media, the banks, the space program, and LiveJournal's porn communities and Gay communities. All Jews possess the following features: an extremely large nose, fake boobs, curly hair that reeks of faggotry, one of those gay hats, a love of coke, a law practice, a roll of money, a small cock, or shitty taste in dental hygiene.

Jews invented both Communism and Capitalism. Karl Marx, of course, was a Jew, which was why he understood money so well, and in fact he was converted to Communism by another Jew, Moses Hess, the actual founder of Zionism, who ghost-wrote Marx's The German Ideology. Capitalism was created when Christian Europeans threw away their morals and decided to embrace Jewish practices like usury (see: John Calvin). Jews were the first group to create a sophisticated banking system, which they used to fund the Crusades in order to pit Christians and Muslims (both adhering to religions derived from and controlled by Jews) against each other to kill as many people as possible in a macabre human sacrifice to YHWH.

The Jew banking system was based on fraud and lies, so when it inevitably collapsed, the Jews just pwned as many people as possible by unleashing the Black Plague on them. Later, Jews economically controlled medieval Venice (the first modern maritime trade empire), and then crypto-Jewish merchants economically controlled the Spanish Empire, including the slave trade. Openly Jewish bankers orchestrated the Dutch Empire and founded Jew Amsterdam (later Jew York). Later the Dutch Jews moved to London because they thought it would be a better base for a global empire, and actually brought a Dutch nobleman, William III, with them, who they installed in a coup d'état (more like Jew d'état, amirite?) as new King of the British Empire. For hundreds of years, Jewish bankers controlled global trade through their bases in Jew York City and London. European colonialism was, through its history, essentially a plot whereby Jews could gain control of gold and diamond mines in poor countries and increase their stranglehold over the global economy.

Jews also enjoy slicing up baby penises for fun, some even enjoy sucking them. See below.

Jews also created Jew search engine Google, so now they can find all Jew information on Internets.

Some suggest that we should use Jews instead of dogs to sniff out large amounts of concealed cash or anything else worth smuggling at airports due to their sensitive Jew noses. Obviously, this is a horrible idea, because the pay is bad, and the dirty Kikes would probably form a union and demand moar money, thus increasing the burden on taxpayers everywhere.

Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1, Interesting)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600132)

According to Sean Malstrom [wordpress.com], Nintendo is basically destroying Sony's gaming division. That is, they are actively trying to destroy Sony. And they seem to be succeeding in many ways. The 3DS is, according to Malstrom, nothing but a direct frontal attack on Sony, with the ultimate purpose being Sony gaming's demise.

If you don't know who Malstrom is, read his site [50webs.com], particularly the article called Birdmen and the Casual Fallacy [50webs.com], where he basically bashes hardcore gaming and... well, see for yourself.

His blog has opened my eyes. More people should read his stuff. He might not be right about everything, but it's a refreshing change from the crappy hardcore industry press and idiot "analysts" who pull stuff out of their behinds.

Why the 3DS is relevant here (0, Redundant)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600166)

My comment might seem slightly off-topic, and I notice I wasn't very clear about why the 3DS is relevant.

Here's one post [wordpress.com] where Malstrom describes Nintendo as beating the crap out of Sony, which is sort of amusing, but this post [wordpress.com] explains how Nintendo is directly targeting Sony with the 3DS. According to Malstrom, Nintendo is basically doing whatever it can to destroy Sony. Completely.

Re:Why the 3DS is relevant here (1)

Mechanist.tm (1124543) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600216)

Dam work proxy blocking his(Malstrom) site. Well better pull out the ole direct connection to the router.

Re:Why the 3DS is relevant here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600270)

I hope they succeed.

Re:Why the 3DS is relevant here (2, Interesting)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600308)

explains how Nintendo is directly targeting Sony with the 3DS

It seems like bullshit to me. Establishing 3d on hand helds hardly "destroys" Sony's push for 3D on consoles. If anything it helps establish 3D as a standard part of the gaming experience and supports Sony's push.

The lack of glasses is irrelevant as it's a technology that's only really applicable to handhelds due to the viewing restraints.

Re:Why the 3DS is relevant here (-1, Redundant)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600328)

If you read the post, the 3DS is just one part of Nintendo's alleged desire to destroy Sony. Maybe Malstrom is exaggerating, but it certainly makes things interesting :)

I don't see how it supports Sony's push either. This is on a handheld, without glasses. And without emphasis on fancy graphics. The emphasis is on the experience. Sony is pushing it on TVs with strange glasses, and keep emphasizing the graphics and how wonderful the technology is.

Re:Why the 3DS is relevant here (-1, Redundant)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600438)

By the way, Malstrom wrote this [zogdog.com] in September 2006, before the Wii was released. It talks about Apple destroying Sony in the portable music market, and Nintendo using Apple as a "role model" to destroy Sony in the gaming market. Again, this is from 2006, and before the Wii was released. Malstrom predicted, already at that point, that Nintendo would dominate this generation. He also predicted that they would destroy Sony.

Re:Why the 3DS is relevant here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600520)

Maybe he's also got a short memory and therefore forgot how Sony got so big in the gaming arena in the first place (because the big guys back in the day, Sega and, yes, Nintendo, got too complacent). I don't see any one gaming company "destroying" any other - all that will happen is cycles where one grows in popularity, becomes complacent/greedy and then someone else comes from behind and steals a march on them.

Re:Why the 3DS is relevant here (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600550)

It's happened before. I'm sure you're really enjoying your current generation Atari and Sega consoles, wait, you mean they were put out of business by the competition? I hope something bad doesn't happen to Neo-Geo and Turbo-Grafix while we're at it.

The point is that the industry goes through phases and Nintendo is pretty much the last man standing from the 80s. Definitely the only ones still producing hardware.

Re:Why the 3DS is relevant here (5, Informative)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#32601038)

Story time!

Sega got its start [wikipedia.org] in 1940, to provide coin-operated games for the American military to put on their bases. They were, quite literally, a child born out of World War II. While they had their ups and downs, they never really encountered any serious business success problems until the 90's.

Nintendo, on the other hand, got it's start in 1889 as a playing card company [wikipedia.org]. By the time Sega came around, Nintendo was already a granola chomper looking for its mid-life crisis convertible. They had a taxi company, a hotel chain, a tv network, a food company...and they all failed horribly. Nintendo brought itself back from having only 60 yen in stocks. I don't think Sackboy and a few Helghast are going to be much of a problem.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

Team Zissou (887422) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600176)

You seem rather enamored with this Sean Malstrom fellow: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1687140&cid=32589430 [slashdot.org]

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (-1, Troll)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600190)

More people should read his blog. And his articles. I used to be a "hardcore", and then someone linked to Malstrom's blog. Now I basically hate the hardcore.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (3, Interesting)

pieisgood (841871) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600214)

You sound like someone whose gone through the twelve step program. Sorry, your choice of words just creeps me out.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (-1, Troll)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600276)

LOL, I can see what you mean when reading my own comments again.

It's just that this new perspective on the gaming market is really thrilling to me. "Freshly saved," I guess :)

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600564)

Why do you need someone else to tell you what to like and what to not like?

Sheep much?

I like hardcore games and I like casual games, the two aren't mutually exclusive. I've got a rig that will pump out 60fps in Crysis at 1920x1200 and play Starcraft II in all it's glory. I also end up playing the crap out of casual games on my iPad/EVO.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

DirePickle (796986) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600286)

What is a 'hardcore'?

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (0, Redundant)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600294)

You don't know the concept "hardcore gaming"? Hardcore gamers want excellent graphics, a huge and intricate story, etc. And they bash "casual games" (games that are accessible to people who aren't already gamers) and "casual gamers". Notice how New Super Mario Bros. Wii was dismissed by the hardcore? "Oh no, 2D Mario, how casual and crappy! Shame on you Nintendo!" And yet it sells like crazy.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (5, Interesting)

ThatGuyJon (1299463) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600342)

I did read through Malstrom's explanation of Nintendo's "Disruption" strategy, and found it quite eye-opening.
However, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you on the hardcore's reaction to NSMBW. Although you may have described the reaction of a portion of the hardcore, all the "hardcore" gamers who I know actually enjoyed NSMBW a lot, praising the way Nintendo wasn't afraid to put in difficult levels, and the way that the multiplayer "co-op" could be easily played competitively, with all the players trying to throw each other off ledges/push them into lava/jump off each others heads. The hardcore is not opposed to 2D gameplay - see the success of Street Fighter IV compared to other 3D fighting games.
This is part of Nintendo's genius -- NSMBW caters to a wide slice of the market.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (3, Insightful)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600602)

Agreed - what the hardcore gamers (and I'm probably no longer one, but a few short years ago when I had the time, I'd happily put in 75+ hours a week gaming, kept an up-to-date gaming rig, followed the new consoles, etc) are generally opposed to is the lazy approach some developers take to just dialling it in and relying on cheap marketing fizz to sale their empty gaming experience. That's not limited to "casual" games, of course, there are plenty example of "proper" games that do this, but it does seem like there are an awful lot of casual cookie cutter style games with little or no substance but which get churned out one after another and rely on sheer quantity to make a profit. Mario is an example of a game which someone new to gaming can pick up and enjoy, yet has enough depth that even seasoned gamers can find a challenge in there. I think people who just dismiss all casual games/gamers out of hand are not "hardcore gamers" they're "bigots", and they're not confined to the gaming world by any means (that's not to say a portion, or even a large portion, of hardcore gamers are not bigots, but to tar them all with the same brush is to commit the same mistake).

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32601164)

It's the gravelly rock mixture you pack down under your driveway and patio for stability.

I think the police may be interested in digging up notrandomly's patio just in case he confused rock based aggregates with gamers.

The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (5, Interesting)

elucido (870205) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600258)

I say it's payback. Sony came into the gaming world with little to no respect for developers or the gaming community as a whole. Sony put the focus in on the 3d, and the specs, and the commercialism that we come to expect in the gaming world of today. The gaming world of yesterday had an entirely different ecosphere which in my opinion was better for the developer and the gamers. The gaming industry used to be able making quality games, fun games, which may not have been 3d but which were much more fun because they weren't.

Look at Mortal Kombat and the NBA Jam series. These games were never supposed to be 3d and never were as good when forced into 3d. The graphics actually looked photorealistic when they were 2d and the games were more fun as 2d, so why were these series forced into 3d? Sony had a policy where if your game wasn't 3d they didn't want to let you release it. This is why starting with the PSX and really with the PS2 we saw the death of all 2d gaming, even revolutionary 2d technologies which had photorealistic graphics, because Sony wanted to use their formula of hardware over software.

Now their formula isn't working anymore. Good hardware can only take you so far and we are once again entering into an era where games are supposed to be fun again. I think if Sony were to leave the gaming industry alone on the software level and just make hardware we'd all be better off. Sony has no business making software and no real understanding of the gaming industry as Sony is a hardware company. Perhaps it's time for Sony to follow Sega and move on to specialize in what they are good at, and thats making gaming computers, chips, graphics engines and other hardware components to be used by Nintendo or Microsoft.

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (4, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600348)

little to no respect for developers

Bullshit. Sony entered the market when Sega was trying to sell people on a hacked-together dual-CPU console even Sega struggled to develop for, while Nintendo was fucking about with a drifting launch date nobody could schedule for and hefty licencing fees. Sony offered the developers a console with extensive libraries, comprehensible hardware, and a due date that publishers could actually rely on. They made a system developers would want to work with. They were able to snatch the market from Nintendo and Sega because they had much, much more respect from developers than anyone else at the time.

Ironically having taught Nintendo and Sega that lesson, leading to a Dreamcast and GameCube that were very coder-friendly they completely forgot about it when the PS2 rolled around, with predictable consequences.

Eh what? (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600422)

The predictable consequence that the gamecube and dreamcast failed and the PS2 still sells?

Oh poor Sony, how will they ever survive the PS2!

Re:Eh what? (2, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600458)

They gave both Nintendo and newcomer Microsoft a great opportunity to grab a sales niche and publisher and developer support. I doubt we'd be looking at a three-horse race this generation if Sony had its shit together on the PS2.

Re:Eh what? (2, Insightful)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600628)

Exactly - Sony committed the same crime both Sega and Nintendo committed in the 90's, they believed their own hype, that they were too big to be challenged and that developers should be honoured to develop for their machines. It might not have hurt them greatly during the PS2 phase (but as you say, we can only guess how dominant they could have been if they'd played it differently - Nintendo was out for the count back then), but they certainly no longer have it all their own way.

Re:Eh what? (2, Informative)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600744)

Buh? I'm not sure how many more than 140 million consoles Sony could have sold if they'd "had [their] shit together on the PS2". Microsoft's entry into the market with the Xbox was through the sacrificing of roughly $1.5 billion, and the Gamecube was more or less a non-event until the same hardware was repackaged as the Wii.

The reason it's a 3 horse race at the moment is because Sony cocked up with a late delivered and needlessly complex PS3 coming up against a "good enough" Wii and the Xbox 360 taking the early sales lead by a long shot in the US. It's certainly not because of a lack of PS2 success.

Re:Eh what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600922)

hey man, youre kind of stupid.

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (1)

solevita (967690) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600442)

with predictable consequences.

The largest selling console figures ever?

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600476)

little to no respect for developers

Bullshit. Sony entered the market when Sega was trying to sell people on a hacked-together dual-CPU console even Sega struggled to develop for, while Nintendo was fucking about with a drifting launch date nobody could schedule for and hefty licencing fees. Sony offered the developers a console with extensive libraries, comprehensible hardware, and a due date that publishers could actually rely on. They made a system developers would want to work with. They were able to snatch the market from Nintendo and Sega because they had much, much more respect from developers than anyone else at the time.

Ironically having taught Nintendo and Sega that lesson, leading to a Dreamcast and GameCube that were very coder-friendly they completely forgot about it when the PS2 rolled around, with predictable consequences.

The Saturn was not a bad console. It's hardware was on par with the PSX. The reason the PSX beat it is because it was easier to develop for so I'll give you that. PSX had good timing and a good price.

PS2 didn't have a better price than the Dreamcast or the Gamecube. It also didn't have better hardware than the Dreamcast or the Gamecube. So while you can say Sony legitimately beat Sega and Nintendo with the PSX, they did not genuinely beat Sega or Nintendo in the hardware or software with the PS2.

My point still stands that Sony is what lead to a ruined gaming industry. The golden era of gaming was ended by Sony's PS2.

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (2, Interesting)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600512)

If you honestly think that games, today, are ruined, I don't know what I can possibly say to you. My tastes run more towards Mario World than Halo, but I can honestly say I'd rather be a gamer in this generation than any other.

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600620)

The Saturn was not a bad console. It's hardware was on par with the PSX. The reason the PSX beat it is because it was easier to develop for so I'll give you that. PSX had good timing and a good price.

The PS1 (The development name for the original Playstation console, "PSX", has been reused as the name of a product, a PS2 with integrated DVR, and it should no longer be used to describe the PS1 both for this reason and since Sony hasn't called it PSX since release) had hardware transparency and the Saturn didn't, so you had to do it manually by using the second CPU for graphics. That's how Panzer Dragoon Saga did their water transparency effects, and they still weren't very good. The Saturn thus has inferior hardware to the PS1. I'd far rather bang on R3000 than SH2 as well.

My point still stands that Sony is what lead to a ruined gaming industry. The golden era of gaming was ended by Sony's PS2.

You're nuts. There were a super-shitload of games for the PS2 and many were firsts.

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (2, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600540)

Funny how people perceive the past with a distorted view.

I loved the NES and the SNES but the fact is that Nintendo tactics during those days where really bullish against developers. Just the "if you release for NES you can't release for another console" shit was completely insane.

Fortunately healthy competition has brought a lot of options today. Back in my day it was either the Nintendo or the Sega. All the others (Turbo Graphics 16, NeoGeo,etc) where completely out of the selection. Right now with the same amount of money ($300) you can get a version of any of the 3 consoles, and the games cost the same (this last bit pissess me off about the Wii... the games were supposed to be cheaper but now you see Mario Galaxy 2 game costs the same as a PS3 game!!)

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (2, Insightful)

Mike Mentalist (544984) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600400)

I say it's payback. Sony came into the gaming world with little to no respect for developers or the gaming community as a whole. Sony put the focus in on the 3d, and the specs, and the commercialism that we come to expect in the gaming world of today. The gaming world of yesterday had an entirely different ecosphere which in my opinion was better for the developer and the gamers. The gaming industry used to be able making quality games, fun games, which may not have been 3d but which were much more fun because they weren't

This is nothing but bitterness and misguided nostalgia.

Off the top of my head Nintendo were the first ones to use various bullying tactics to get their own way in the videogaming marketplace and had no respect for anyone or anything other than their profits.

As for those who say that the gaming industry used to about making fun games can any of you point to when this changed? After all, ET and Pac Man for the Atari 2600 were appalling cash-ins and the likes of the Commodore 64 were awash with legions of horrendously bad games.

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600502)

I say it's payback. Sony came into the gaming world with little to no respect for developers or the gaming community as a whole. Sony put the focus in on the 3d, and the specs, and the commercialism that we come to expect in the gaming world of today. The gaming world of yesterday had an entirely different ecosphere which in my opinion was better for the developer and the gamers. The gaming industry used to be able making quality games, fun games, which may not have been 3d but which were much more fun because they weren't

But Nintendo respected the gamer. Nintendo did use bullying tactics but then again they respected the gamer and the gaming community. Sony does not and has never respected the gaming community.

This is nothing but bitterness and misguided nostalgia.

Off the top of my head Nintendo were the first ones to use various bullying tactics to get their own way in the videogaming marketplace and had no respect for anyone or anything other than their profits.

As for those who say that the gaming industry used to about making fun games can any of you point to when this changed? After all, ET and Pac Man for the Atari 2600 were appalling cash-ins and the likes of the Commodore 64 were awash with legions of horrendously bad games.

Nintendo may have used bullying tactics but Nintendo respected the gamer and the gaming community. Sony has never respected the gamer or the gaming community and only has ever cared about profits. The quality of their games never mattered, the quality of their hardware never mattered with overheating issues and other nonsense.

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (1)

Nugoo (1794744) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600562)

Sony had a policy where if your game wasn't 3d they didn't want to let you release it

Really? What about Mega Man X4-7, GTA I & II, Red Alert Retaliation, Warcraft II and all the Squaresoft re-releases? I can think of more 2d PSX games than N64 games and Dreamcast games combined.

Re:The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600770)

First of all:

"The graphics, which are much more advanced than you’d expect from Nintendo, left me pretty much in disbelief. They're on a level with Sony’s PSP, probably even a little better than that. But the eye-popping 3-D effect makes everything that much richer."

First of all, what did they expect? That it wouldn't improve? And what do they mean with in disbelief? The Gamecube was capable of better graphics than the PS2, sure the DS graphics is very poor but it's somewhat in line with the capabilities of the N64, the GBA is more equal to the SNES so it's not that weird and unreasonable that the 3DS would be in line with the Gamecube.

Sure neither of the DS or the Wii was a huge step forward in processing power, but Nintendo probably lacked the cash to both finance and risk a huge effort in hardware development. And they don't have the backing of a bigger company behind them, for Nintendo it's win or loss, not "ok this didn't do so well, oh well, maybe it gets better the next time."

Nintendo isn't incapable or uninterested in more capable consoles, they have always improved but their first focus must be to try and survive / make a profit.

Now regarding everything else:

The same Sony that ruthlessly killed Sega? (Score:3, Interesting)

Sony didn't killed Sega, Sega killed Sega. They developed two different consoles as a similar time, of which one was worse than the other. The Saturn wasn't good enough (if I remember correctly, I may be wrong and it's not my opinion, just a read one.) and when the Dreamcast came out they had some other issues (financial I believe?)

The poor product failed, not that weird, just to bad it had to be Sega since it would had been great if they where still around. And I guess their situation was the same as Nintendos, they can't afford to fail with a product. Sony and Microsoft can.

I say it's payback. Sony came into the gaming world with little to no respect for developers or the gaming community as a whole. Sony put the focus in on the 3d, and the specs, and the commercialism that we come to expect in the gaming world of today. The gaming world of yesterday had an entirely different ecosphere which in my opinion was better for the developer and the gamers. The gaming industry used to be able making quality games, fun games, which may not have been 3d but which were much more fun because they weren't.

While I agree forcing developers to write 3D titles suck one do have to understand where Sony came from. Their console was capable of having such games and if they didn't delivered something new and better they would probably not have been able to catch as big piece of the market as they did.

As far as specs goes better specs are better, an I don't have a problem with it. I would had been happy if the PSP specs were in the DS, not frustrated .. And if the Wii where more capable that would had been a good thing to. However neither of the PS2 or the PS3 has been proven to be the most capable consoles of their time regardless of Sonys hype and marketing. So one could argue whatever they are specs only and game quality second or only focus on specs ..

and really with the PS2 we saw the death of all 2d gaming

I agree that I like 2D graphics, maybe not for photo-realism but maybe even more for the cartoonistic and creative styles people use in creating them and make them look interesting. They don't have to be "true" 2D for that though. I think the Warcraft III graphics are excellent and it still looks rather flat and 2D even though it's rendered in 3D. I also like the look of paper mario and the new super mario bros Wii for instance where the later may have 3D elements? I don't know, haven't played it. And of course creative 3D styles such as World of Warcraft works just fine to.

I like "cute", failed attempts of rendering the world aren't necessary better.

once again entering into an era where games are supposed to be fun again.

Are we? Seen where? I liked Kirby Canvas course which is new and fresh, but while many people bought the Wii for Wii sports and such it seems like many got bored because that and resorts where the only "new" stuff they got and the rest was similar to what they had. And most big titles are cross platform and sequels and more of the same old anyway aren't they? And lots of new simple ideas gets boring quick and are even from the first experience simply because they wasn't any good at all.

I don't think people in general sees things such as omg there's coming a lot of new games with fresh ideas! Even though there have been a couple. I'm not so sure that will improve either, though it would be nice.

to be used by Nintendo or Microsoft.

Does Xbox offer better games? Does Microsoft offer better developer conditions? I don't know what Nintendo does, I'm not a developer. But atleast earlier they where very strict to.

I think if one wants freedom something like Android or Windows is better.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (4, Insightful)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600266)

  • We have no idea who "Sean Malstrom" is, and no credentials are given
  • His blog is hosted on 50webs.com
  • Apparently his insight is that the 3DS represents an attack on a company which releases a competing product
  • "Frontal attack" / "destroy" / "demise" sound stupid when talking about companies
  • "Birdmen and the Causal Fallacy" is the most obnoxious title for a gaming opinion article I've ever heard. I hate it when people name logical fallacies to try and back up their opinion
  • How do you "bash" an entire type of gaming? Who the hell cares?

Just responding because your post is remarkably offputting if the intention was to refer us to this site.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (-1, Troll)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600288)

We have no idea who "Sean Malstrom" is, and no credentials are given

True. Which is why you can't get away with attacking him. You need to look at his arguments.

His blog is hosted on 50webs.com

No, his site is hosted there. His blog is a WordPress blog. He addresses this in his blog.

Apparently his insight is that the 3DS represents an attack on a company which releases a competing product

There's a bit more to it than that.

"Birdmen and the Causal Fallacy" is the most obnoxious title for a gaming opinion article I've ever heard. I hate it when people name logical fallacies to try and back up their opinion

So you read the title, and that's it?

How do you "bash" an entire type of gaming? Who the hell cares?

You can read more about hardcore gaming on the site and on his blog. You don't have to care, but I find it to be very interesting. Apparently people at Nintendo are reading his blog, because Nintendo's strategy seems to go in the direction Malstrom points :)

Just responding because your post is remarkably offputting if the intention was to refer us to this site.

If you don't like what he has to offer, feel free to go somewhere else.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (2, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600552)

Apparently people at Nintendo are reading his blog, because Nintendo's strategy seems to go in the direction Malstrom points :)

I'm pretty sure the Wii came out before his blog started, and that Nintendo/Sega have been into more casual mini-game style games for a lot longer than the Wii. Saying a blog has "opened your eyes" makes it sound more like you are easily brainwashed.

You know it's quite possible for lots of different types of games to co-exist in the world? Same goes for pretty much everything else in life. You don't always have to artificially split everything into two polar opposites and gather yourself to one side of it. You can enjoy the whole spectrum of experience (yes, slight Donnie Darko reference there but it's a good way of saying it) without making everything into some kind of pathetic fan boi Holy War.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (0, Troll)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600698)

True. Which is why you can't get away with attacking him. You need to look at his arguments.

No-one has the time to consider the arguments of everyone with a blog account and free subdomain at 50webs.tk .

There's a bit more to it than that.

If he has something interesting to say why spend three paragraphs saying "this guy says Nintendo is trying to out-compete Sony, check it out!" ?

So you read the title, and that's it?

My post listed the reasons you made me want to avoid the link, so no I didn't follow the link.

Apparently people at Nintendo are reading his blog, because Nintendo's strategy seems to go in the direction Malstrom points :)

I hope you're kidding.

If you don't like what he has to offer, feel free to go somewhere else.

I think opinion pieces about brands are pretty sad generally, but I do understand that I don't have to read his site

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600880)

True. Which is why you can't get away with attacking him. You need to look at his arguments.

Just to be clear, when you say "him" you really mean "me", and when you say "his" you mean "my". Isn't that right, Mr. Malstrom?

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (4, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600534)

Not "causal", "casual". He's attempting to characterise the supposed hardcore-casual gamer dichotomy as being a fallacy, something I'm inclined to agree with a priori.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 3 years ago | (#32601024)

So he's characterizing a dichotomy as being a fallacy, how odiously obtuse!

So he's saying the hardcore-casual gamer distinction is mistaken, how boring..

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (2, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600582)

You may hate it when people name logical fallacies which back up their opinion but it's necessary all to often. We name the fallacies because most people are too stupid to recognize them in the first place and at least given a name to it they can look it up. It's not terribly helpful or informative to tell somebody they've made a bad argument if you don't at least give them a hint as to what the problem is.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (3, Insightful)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600998)

The thought that someone is going to take a counter-argument and go and look up some fallacy, and that they'll consider that helpful and informative, is silly.
Non-trivial arguments about the real world aren't simple enough to apply logical rules to, and mistakes in logic are easier to recognize by pointing them out with respect to the specific case, rather than by the generalized case.

The idea that you can define a set of axioms and predicates and use rules of inference to prove that the 3DS is an attempt to "destroy" Sony, or something else in a real-world debate, is really crazy, so I don't think concepts from hard-nosed logic and proof are actually useful.

Also people all too often refer to "fallacy" like a fancy word for "mistake" (see the response before this one "a priori"), or to dismiss someone's argument in an intentionally inaccessible way, which comes across like condescending nonsense.
Mainly it's too often used to turn the vocab of logic and proof into an underhanded debating tactic, which seems like the opposite of what it's supposed to be for.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32601014)

"Birdmen and the Causal Fallacy" is the most obnoxious title for a gaming opinion article I've ever heard. I hate it when people name logical fallacies to try and back up their opinion

While in general I agree with your points, "fallacy" means "deception", "lie", "bad conclusion". Not every mention of "fallacy" is meant to refer to the list of formal logical fallacies you read about on Wikipedia.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 3 years ago | (#32601076)

Fair enough, it turns out it was "Casual fallacy" as in casual-gamer not "Causal fallacy" as in (what sounds like it could be) the name of some obscure logical fallacy

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600274)

From the look of the site, he definitely does not wear polo-shirt.

I mean come on? Centered paragraphs of text? Navigation bullets in top left corner are all incorrectly placed.

All that amateurish stuff makes me think this site is some sort of joke?

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (2, Interesting)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600640)

Because the inability to create an aesthetically pleasing website of course invalidates one's opinion.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (0)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600372)

Since gaming is the only business of Nintendo and only a side division of Sony, if Sony picks up the gauntlet this may end up really ugly for Nintendo...

Essentially, Sony can subsidize its own gaming division from other sources till they obliterate Nintendo, while Nintendo -must- make profit from games and consoles or they are out of business.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1, Redundant)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600464)

So why didn't Sony pick up the gauntlet and let it end up ugly for Apple when Apple disrupted Sony's Walkman business [zogdog.com]? Note that this article was written before the Wii was launched.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600690)

Maybe (and I realise how stupid this sounds in relation to corporations like Sony), just maybe Sony would rather participate in a sector where they and competitors all get to make money, rather than having to burn through all their profits just to bury the opposition. Of course they could ultimately make more money by killing off the competition, but how much would that cost them, and how damaging would it be to the industry as a whole? If they started selling off their console for next to nothing and heavily subsidising games, would customers be happy to return to the high prices once they killed off the competition? As to Apple eating Sony's walkman pie, well that surprised few people at the time, Sony have always been great at delivery technology but rubbish at predicting trends (not to mention they had a pretty big stake in not supporting easily copied digital formats back when digital players were starting to take off) so that it's usually a happy accident for them when the trend and the technology converge.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600708)

Because Apple has computers, notebooks, OS, and a lot of the likes that produce enough profit to let the company subsidize iPod and survive the siege, had the need ever arisen. Sony could have kept its domination on portable music player market, at great cost, but it would not destroy Apple. And Apple could strike again the moment Sony tries to make a profit from that market.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (3, Interesting)

ledow (319597) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600536)

According to the all-knowing Wiki, they've been doing it since 1889. I think Nintendo know how to stay in business. That's the problem really - people think that "big" means "stable". It isn't necessarily true at all, as the latest economic crises have demonstrated. Neither does age make a good company, though, (Woolworths were trading back before Nintendo and yet went bust recently). The question is not even what divisions they serve, or the investment they make - it's how many people want to buy their products. I think Nintendo have *always* had a better grasp of the games market than any other company and they have outlasted EVERYONE, because they understand the market better than anyone. There is barely a person in the US/UK that doesn't recognise and/or hasn't owned a Nintendo device of some kind, and that was true even when I was a kid. Sony, by comparison, are a relative upstart in the gaming arena (company started in the 1950's and is widely spread across dozens of markets, not just the videogaming one - that didn't start until about 1994 with the Playstation). Even SEGA couldn't compete long enough to make a dent, and at one time the gaming market *WAS* Sega and Nintendo.

Nintendo are much more powerful and far richer than you think. Every Wii sold made profit on the hardware, and the games, and the accessories. There's not many companies about today in the video games console market that can say the same thing. Almost every major console or handheld that they've ever produced has been an enormous hit - the only exception that comes to mind is the VirtualBoy which seemed merely badly timed in terms of the technology they had to hand for production. Hell, a crappy game that had been around for decades, was released with the Gameboy and was turned into an overnight success that not much else can touch in comparative terms. Nintendo are no fools. And the markets will release three, four, five new products that will do well enough but not spectacularly. And then Nintendo will reveal something else that nobody thought of / dared release / believed possible.

If anything, I'm slightly disappointed at Nintendo for just jumping on the 3D bandwagon, but it has the taste of "Well, we had this prototype sitting in a dusty cupboard for years and people seem to be on a 3D hype at the moment... see how well you can sell that while we do the real work back here"

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

e70838 (976799) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600736)

I think the point is not only to satisfy the 3D hype of the moment. For sure, 3D will become mainstream in the future. The question is not if, but when. Nintendo is doing some steps in 3D in order to increase experience in this area and be ready for a future that may be near or far.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600384)

It would suck if Sony's game division actually did get destroyed because Nintendo (and everyone, really) needs the competition to get off their behinds. Article was really interesting, thanks for pointing that out! The first thing I noticed while reading is the user happiness vs. featuritis curve made me think of Apple immediately. They seem to think on the same level as Nintendo in this sense.

Makes me wonder if the two will cooperate on the patents and Apple will have a 3D phone next year? The one person technology seems to make phones a perfect application, and I can say that the iPhone is no real competitor to the DS in any real sense unless the DS will become a phone in short order (mostly because every iPhone game I has no real depth and they all suck the battery life out of the phone within 2 hours or so). I guess I have to see it action, 3d might screw with a touchscreen input.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (-1, Redundant)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600530)

Funny you should mention Apple, because I just found an article written by Malstrom in September 2006, where he talks about how Nintendo looked at how Apple disrupted Sony's portable music business, and decided to do the same thing for the gaming business [zogdog.com]. As you may notice, the article was written before the Wii was launched, and basically predicts Nintendo's dominance (and Sony's demise in the gaming industry, which has not yet happened of course).

Check out the archive [zogdog.com] for more from Malstrom. Again, much of this was written before the sales numbers were in. Malstrom was basically spot-on with most of the things he wrote back then.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32601084)

Let me guess: You're "Malstrom"? How many times do you need to reference his blog in one thread?

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600716)

It seems like a massively innovative time for gaming, and that's got to be due in part to the masses of competition - three big console manufacturers all doing respectably, cheap ubiquitous home computing in the form of netbooks, powerful phones capable of gaming, handhelds being pushed forward partly by this and partly by technological advancements. I hope we never get back to the point where one company dominates and effectively destroys the competition.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (2, Interesting)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600594)

This guy has some points, but he misses some important ones.

Yes, most developers today think "casual" is a synonymous for "retard". Casual games = games for retards. And they produce games only retards want to play, and are surprised why they missed the huge casual market.

But worse than that, passionate developers create an awesome hardcore game. Then the marketing team looks at it and says "But... but it's too difficult for casuals(=retards). You must make it easier. Remove that confusing weapon system. Replace that steep learning curve with autopilot. Drop that extended tree, it requires too much decision-making!" - and as result they release a game that was hardcore, had tons of talent and effort put into it, but so dumbed down only retards will play it. And as it tanks, they wonder why - "we have appealed both to the hardcore community and to the ret^H^H^Hcasuals! Why does nobody like it?" - well, it's too broken and dumbed down to hardcores, and casuals believe it's a hardcore game... or find it too dumbed down too.

Re:Nintendo is destroying Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600930)

I don't quite recognize Nintendo as a vengeful company.
Rather, the 3DS is just part of a natural evolution of things.
I don't think they're supposed to stay stuck to the DSi era forever.

As Avatar was to Movies, 3DS is to games (2, Interesting)

KulSeran (1432707) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600168)

It really was beautiful. This looks to be for games what Avatar was for 3d movies. Unlike the active shutter 3D demos, this one seemed to suffer far less drawbacks. Including, not having to wear expensive shutter glasses.
The effect actually adds a lot to the perception of the game world in most cases, though there are obviously the instances where it seems like a gimic. But even as a gimic, it makes the 3d world feel all that more real.
And the 3D camera is rather impressive too.

Re:As Avatar was to Movies, 3DS is to games (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600436)

It was also a piece of shit.

NBA Jam of the 90s vs 2010 (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600290)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyw8YGuEEyg [youtube.com]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bUm4_dyiI4 [youtube.com]

Same exact gameplay. No real graphical improvements. So why is it "3d" and they claim the graphics are "updated", when they aren't? 3d doesn't always make a game more fun or always make the graphics better.

Re:NBA Jam of the 90s vs 2010 (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600710)

I'm sorry to hear that you're blind, as that's the only way that I can figure that you don't see graphical improvements. Having put plenty of hours into the 90's NBA Jam, I think that this new version appears to have the perfect blend of realism and cartoon-ish feel to really fit what I expect.

Of course the gameplay is basically the same. It wouldn't be NBA Jam if it wasn't. While innovation is great and all, there's certainly something to be said for taking a successful formula, and giving it a little update from time to time.

3D because Sony says so (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600764)

So why is it "3d"

Because otherwise, Sony wouldn't digitally sign it for booting on the retail console.

Also, because it's more expensive to draw every player in 2D at every angle. NBA Jam on 16-bit systems used a generic basketball player body scaled to about five sizes along with unique character heads. To add a new player, only the head needed to be redrawn at all angles. But now at least the upmarket players expect more than eight angles and numbers on uniforms, and at some point, it becomes easier for the artists just to make an octahedron, pull at it until it becomes a head, and wrap a texture around it.

Few things I thing everyone like to know... (3, Interesting)

the_mind_ (157933) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600364)

Does the 3D screen make the images "pop" out like one of those double concave mirrors or does the image "sink in" so it feels like you look into a box?

And did anyone think to bring a stereo camera and take some photos?

Re:Few things I thing everyone like to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600486)

I think the pop out or sink in depends more on convergence/separation settings than the display. See: http://www.mtbs3d.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6197&Itemid=98&limitstart=3 . So it would probably depend on the game.

Re:Few things I thing everyone like to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600634)

Does the 3D screen make the images "pop" out like one of those double concave mirrors or does the image "sink in" so it feels like you look into a box?

That's up to the game, not up to the screen.

Re:Few things I thing everyone like to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600644)

Not sure a stereo camera would work unless the lenses were positioned dead right.

Anyway, from the reviews starting to creep up it sounds like it's a 'look into the box' 3D - which IMHO is the better choice. Pop-out on a handheld could be potentially dangerous as it'd eat into your peripheral vision. Obviously not a problem at home, but if your in public, it's an issue.

Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (3, Interesting)

ad454 (325846) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600418)

Why buy a dedicated handheld gaming device, when you can get smart phone, pda, or tablet like the iPhone/iTouch/iPad, Zune/WM7, Android, or WebOS device that is just as portable, will do a decent job playing games, plus let you surf the net, do your e-mail, and hold your media (music, videos, etc.)?

If I was in charge of Nintendo, I would put a big chunk of flash in the 3DS, and include a browser, e-mail client, and media player. And also make a smart phone version as well.

Do they really think that people want to carry a separate portable gaming device, media player, and pda or smart phone in this day and age? Especially when you consider that you can buy a low end Zune or iPod Touch 8GB in the same price range as a Nintendo DSi.

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600454)

same reason people still buy DSLR cameras even though they have a camera on their phone?

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (1)

Dr_Barnowl (709838) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600482)

I really, really wanted a port of PalmOS (even one of the old monochrome ones) for my DS - a PDA that you can also play games on... it even looked the part held in "book" aspect - just like an old yuppie filofax. The instant-on suspend mode really lasts, it has an alarm, etc, etc.

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (-1, Redundant)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600494)

You know, I can't help linking to this guy Malstrom's blog. I must come across as some kind of fanboy drone, but then again, so do the Apple fans who think Apple is going to destroy Nintendo.

Malstrom is the guy who predicted the Wii's dominance even before it was launched, and explained exactly how and why [zogdog.com].

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600648)

So, just so we're all on the same page, you're Sean Maelstrom, right? I mean, I read a couple of those articles, and there's pretty much nothing special or noteworthy about them. I have difficulty seeing how someone could find them so inspiring as to go on this Slashdot campaign to promote them without standing to directly benefit.

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (2, Insightful)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600822)

You know, I can't help linking to this guy Malstrom's blog.

notrandomly == malstrom?

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (3, Insightful)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600566)

First of all smart phones (as we in the US know them) are almost non-existant in Japan. Secondly, gaming on smart phones is not very enjoyable or easy unless you have tiny fingers. Handheld gaming devices are designed to be more comfortable to hold in a gaming position.

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (1)

stopping (1564645) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600754)

Playing on the DS/PSP is much more enjoyable and less-frustrating than playing them on the iWhatever. Controlling the game via touch can be a royal pain in the rear.

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (2, Informative)

JanneM (7445) | more than 3 years ago | (#32601100)

"First of all smart phones (as we in the US know them) are almost non-existant in Japan. "

The iPhone has been here for years and is a major hit. The Sony Ericsson Xperia Android phone is NTT Docomo's best selling phone in recent history. You can also get Windows-based smartphones and Blackberrys, though they're obviously aimed squarely at the suit-and-tie set. And now the iPhone 4 is being heavily preordered while every carrier is coming out with Android models as fast as they can. So no, smsrtphones are not "almost non-existent" in Japan.

With that said, and as much as I love my android phone, you're right: if you want portable gaming, today's smartphones don't really hold a candle to a dedicated gaming device. Beginning with the controls, a dedicated device gives you a better game than a phone, and the addition of 3D is just going to widen that gap. A very common sight on the morning commute is people using their phones as a walkman while they play on a DS2.

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600632)

I suspect Nintendo will kick out a phone eventually... about the time people stop buying dedicated handhelds. Side-talkin' FTW!

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (1)

otie (915090) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600686)

Uh. The DSi has a music player, so I'm pretty sure the 3DS will as well. The 3DS will also play 3D movies. It almost certainly won't play arbitrary video files unless you jailbreak / mod / hack it, but anyway. Many people want more than a "decent job playing games" (see: >120M sold DS units).

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (5, Insightful)

DarkXale (1771414) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600742)

You need to do your research, badly. The DSi already has a Media Player, and it also already has a browser. We can expect that the 3DS will be no different. I personally am not bothered by an e-mail client - and I'm sure most other people aren't as well. I do not need yet another place to check my email. Second of all, the reason why something like the iPod touch won't be able to scratch much of the 3DS (and following consoles) market is because the Touch/iPhone provide very poor precision, response time, and absolutely no input feedback, not to mention that with a touchscreen system you have to block part of the screen (possibly critical parts) to play. Phones which do not use touchscreen input rarely (read: never) have good button placement for the activity. In addition, these devices are rarely designed to be held in the hand for extended amounts of time. They work for short 5-10 minute sessions, but after that they can start to get uncomfortable. These aren't problems in the much more simplistic flash-like games which consist of nearly 100% of the current smartphone market. But add in games with more complexity, and the issues for the format become all more apparent. Most fully featured smartphone games currently exist in current console games as minigames or Quick-Time-Events. The "Pokemon Marathon" which debuted in Heart Gold & Soul Silver behaves exactly like a fully featured game I would expect on the iPhone (it even uses touch control), there is even arguably more depth to it than most iPhone games. But this 'game' is a tiny (and ignorable) part of the main game itself.

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600918)

Do you realize that Nintendo PRIMARILY focuses on entertaining kids and teens?

While one can argue that teens also have cellphones, there are many parents willing to give their kids a portable gaming device, but are not that willing to give them a PDA....

Furthermore, we already have exactly what you want, its called the iPhone. If you can't appreciate a dedicated gaming console, you are either not a gamer or you are used to computer games... After all, Why have an Xbox or a PS3? Do they really think that people want to have a separate gaming console when you could hook up a computer to a tv?

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (3, Insightful)

Stan Vassilev (939229) | more than 3 years ago | (#32601070)

Why buy a dedicated handheld gaming device, when you can get smart phone, pda, or tablet like the iPhone/iTouch/iPad, Zune/WM7, Android, or WebOS device that is just as portable, will do a decent job playing games, plus let you surf the net, do your e-mail, and hold your media (music, videos, etc.)?

I've heard that argument before...

Why buy a dedicated iOS tablet, when you can have a fully featured laptop that is just as portable, will let you run Flash, Photoshop...

And yet, iPads sell. So here you are, using the same argument, this time in favor of buying an iPad. People like a simpler, dedicated device, that does more than a "decent job" at the things they want.

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32601074)

to play games motherfucker. to play games.

also, the ds already has a browser, medial player, and other bits.

PLUS BUTTONS!!!!!!!!!

Re:Nintendo may be king of sinking ship? (1)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 3 years ago | (#32601094)

Yepp. The King of a sinking ship that is continuously raking in bizar amounts of revenue, Revenue of which about a 10th would suffice to build a solid golden nuclear sub for the entire Nintendo Mobile division to blast the remains of console competitors like the PSP and its botchjob buddy PSP Go into chunky kibbles.
As long as they have a licence to print money and make money from the first unit sold onward I think Nintendo couldn't care less wether the rest of the world thought that mobile consoles where a sinking ship or not. For Sony, maybe, but not really for Nintendo.

Rebuy! (3, Interesting)

markdavis (642305) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600480)

>"Nintendo hopes to update as many older games as they can to incorporate 3D gameplay in addition to 3D graphics."

So you can buy all your old games yet again!

VHS
DVD
Blueray
Blueray 3D...

Re:Rebuy! (1)

mrbill1234 (715607) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600676)

It would be interesting to see if the 3DS is backwards compatible with the DS Lite. Nintendo typically always support the previous generation of consoles.

It would also be interesting to see if playing an older DS game will be interpolated into some sort of pseudo-3D on the 3DS - perhaps with some downloadable modules specific to each game. Not to change the gameplay, but perhaps to just give it a new look and feel.

screen viewing angle? (4, Funny)

kj_kabaje (1241696) | more than 3 years ago | (#32600702)

"If you tilt the unit away from your face so it's almost at a 180-degree angle, you can still see the 3-D effect."

How the fsck do you manage to see the screen when you've turned it completely away from your face?

Simple to keep the stereoscopic effect within view (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32600978)

According to IGN, "If you twist the system you'll get double images and lose the 3D, but it's simple to keep the stereoscopic effect within view."
Reference: http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1098014p1.html

Parallax and Kinect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32601030)

I'd love to see the 3d tech paired with a smaller version of Microsoft Kinect in the future. It would be cool if you could actually see the air buttons you are interacting with.

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