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Harry Reid Pushes Nevada As "Saudi Arabia of Geothermal Energy"

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the flogging-sand dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Of all the 'mainstream' forms of renewable energy, it seems that geothermal power is always left in the shadows compared to solar and wind power. However, that looks set to change with news that the US Department of Energy will fund geothermal projects in northwestern Nevada and southeast Oregon. With funds from the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act, the DOE has stated a 'conditional commitment' to provide a partial guarantee for a rumored $98.5 million loan to the Nevada Geothermal Power Company (NGP). According to US Senator Harry Reid, 'Northern Nevada is the Saudi Arabia of geothermal energy.'"

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According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (4, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607808)

... that kind of kills it for me. Any politician making such proclamations must be taken with a pound of salt. Wasn't Nevada also proclaimed as the dumping ground for nuclear and toxic waste?

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (5, Insightful)

e9th (652576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607872)

Reid, the Senate Majority Leader, is in danger of losing his long-held seat. He needs the pork badly, and the administration is more than willing to help him out.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (4, Interesting)

nebaz (453974) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608134)

It makes me wonder, if Senators bring in pork to their state to get re-elected, do you think there would be more pork in general if we repealed the direct election of senators, which some claim would give states more say in the Federal government? As is I think the fact that so much party money is on the line to keep representatives 'pure', which greatly distorts the idea of local elections.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608246)

That's an interesting argument and I'm hearing more and more about that coming out of the houston area. Do you have any links you'd like to share?

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (2, Insightful)

Radres (776901) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608374)

Wouldn't senators then be forced to take actions that benefit those in the house, thereby corrupting the system in a different way?

"You voted against all my bills! I'm not voting for you!"

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (4, Insightful)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608574)

The senators would be appointed by their state legislatures in a manner that's up to them -- in the 19th century the state legislature would hold a vote, or the governor would make an appointment subject to state senate advice and consent, or whatever.

The problem with this approach was that it made senate seats a form of patronage for governors and state political machines, and while the people appointed might have been worthy there was zero democratic accountability, and senate appointment was a notoriously corrupt institution -- take the recent Rod Blagojevich nonsense and imagine it were the norm. Eliminating the direct election of senators in order to control "pork" or earmarks, which are themselves only about 2% of the federal budget, and are at least as big a problem with House members, is a pretty extreme solution.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1)

Orange Crush (934731) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608618)

It's an interesting idea, however Senators were previously appointed by their state's legislatures and I don't like the idea of going back to that system. It'll probably make them even more beholden to pork barrel projects to please their state legislators. I fear the problem would become even worse.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608272)

And/Or; how much of that 98 million is directed into his golden parachute fund for getting the loan?

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1)

gonzonista (790137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608316)

Actually, none of it. The deal is between NGP, their financiers, and DOE. The loan backstopping is part of ARRA. So far as I know, loan selections were made by DOE, which Harry Reid does not have any influence in.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608454)

I don't know about how much Reid is in danger. His opponent is on record for a variety of...odd positions: eliminating the US Department of Education, pulling out of the United Nations, getting rid of Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare; wants to protect our purity of essence and precious bodily fluids by opposing fluoridation of water, similarly wants to get rid of alcohol, thinks global warming is a hoax and is for drilling for oil here, there, everywhere. Is also the nutter who thinks overthrowing the duly elected government of the United States via a violent revolution is a good idea. All Reid has to do is frame the campaign that way and it's pull the lever for the nutter or pull the lever for Reid. He'll beat her by 10 points. That's how bad of a candidate Reid is--she should manage the 25% dead-enders at best. Still bringing in more federal dollars isn't a bad idea for Reid, pork or legitimate (but well-timed).

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608550)

Perhaps Harry Reid meant more than one thing by "Saudi Arabia of Geothermal Energy"...

In addition to floating on the vast sea of crude that makes them our bestest ever buddies, for as long as they are willing to sell, Saudi Arabia is home to some... aggressively retro sentiments.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (2, Informative)

e9th (652576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608582)

Yes, Angle is not the candidate the Republican Party wanted. But the latest poll [usnews.com] I know of shows Reid trailing.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1, Informative)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608586)

You *really*

Really

Really

Don't know about Reid's opponents this time around do you?

Sharron Angle is fucking crazy. [huffingtonpost.com]

Opposes fluoridation, the UN and the Department of Education.

She's got a lot of tough questions ahead of her.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (4, Informative)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608640)

She is not crazy at all and if you think huffington post is a reliable source of information on conservative candidates then you are crazy.

How about having her describe her opinions instead instead: http://www.sharronangle.com/issues/ [sharronangle.com]

Or how about the opinion of the people of Nevada: Angle: 50% Reid: 39% [rasmussenreports.com]

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32607874)

Those two things may be related. Nuclear waste needs to be cooled down somehow.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608040)

Don't be too quick to disregard this as a joke, since breeder reactors [stanford.edu] have been outlawed for some time [google.com] here, it not an unreasonable suggestion. Of course, as far as breeders are concerned, past political boondoggles [nader.org] are certainly a major issue.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607882)

Wasn't Nevada also proclaimed as the dumping ground for nuclear and toxic waste?

What, you mean it isn't anymore? Last time I was there (in '87 or so) the locals were packing to drive out to the desert to witness an underground nuclear test. Those people who live in Nevada, they're quite special from what I saw. Perhaps related to Floridians.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1)

m2shariy (1194621) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607886)

Wasn't Nevada also proclaimed as the dumping ground for nuclear and toxic waste?

And that is exactly what makes it the source of geothermal energy

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32607972)

According to many studies (look up Nevada Heat Flow on the web) Nevada has some of the highest earth heat flows and thus warmest ground temps in the US. The basin and range country is being pulled apart bringing hot rock closer to the surface than elsewhere. Drilling results show hot water not to deep in the basins in NV. (There is another big advantage in that most of these areas are completely empty (see loneliest road in america). So yes there is a resource there but again you have to get the power to CA who of course don't want any new power lines in their backyard.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (2, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608230)

And water that is 100% free of bacteria. Oh that? We don't know what THAT is, isn't he kinda cute? But the radiation killed all the bacteria...OH MY GOD WHA

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (0, Offtopic)

skuzzlebutt (177224) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608162)

>dumping ground for nuclear and toxic waste

Yes, but we haven't seen the Hilton sisters in several months.

Zzzzzzzzzing!

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608260)

Wasn't Nevada also proclaimed as the dumping ground for nuclear and toxic waste?

That's where the the geothermal energy comes from;)

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608406)

And nuclear waste is warm right? We keep it in cooling ponds. This seems like two things that go great together. You got your nuclear waste into my geothermal power installation, no you got your geothermal power installation into my nuclear waste.

Re:According to US Senator Harry Reid ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608432)

Wasn't Nevada also proclaimed as the dumping ground for nuclear and toxic waste?

And if fucking should be.

I'm not saying this because I think Nevada should be the nations landfill, it shouldn't. I live in Vegas and love it there. (Vegas IS a dump btw.)
I'm not saying this for economic reasons either. I'm not associated with any of the contractors or anything.

But the shit they are (were) putting there is pretty benign. Just because it has *nuclear* printed on the side of can, doesn't mean it's ultra dangerous.

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32607810)

This first post is for the glory of the GNAA

Las Vegas... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32607822)

Las Vegas is the Saudi Arabia of prostitution, booze, gambling, and insane energy use.

It looks like Harry Reid is trying to use the Saudia Arabia of geothermanl energy to power the Saudi Arabia of prostitution.

As long as nobody tries to put a veil on the hookers this plan sounds good to me.

Re:Las Vegas... (4, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607936)

Las Vegas is the Saudi Arabia of prostitution, booze, gambling, and insane energy use.

"Forget your Saudi Arabia! I'm gonna make my own! With hookers! And blackjack! In fact, forget the energy! Aaw, screw the whole thing!"
- Harry Reid

Re:Las Vegas... (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608116)

Las Vegas is the Saudi Arabia of prostitution, booze, gambling, and insane energy use.

Prostitution is illegal in Clark County, NV, where Las Vegas is located. You are completely correct on the booze, gambling and insane energy use, however.

Re:Las Vegas... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608352)

What Turnip Truck did YOU just fall off of?

There are Prostitutes all over Vegas.

Just because it's "illegal" in Clark Co., doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Re:Las Vegas... (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608598)

Just because it's "illegal" in Clark Co., doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

True enough, but you could say that about any large American city. In any case, because prostitution is not legal in Clark County, the true Saudi Arabia of prostitution would be either Pahrump or Elko, Nevada, both places where it is legal.

Re:Las Vegas... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608612)

I suspect that their insane water use will bite them in the ass first.

They have plenty of sun, lots of hot rocks, coal is cheap(if you don't mind huffing mercury and fly ash); but Nevada doesn't even have a convenient body of salt water to desalinate, much less enough of the fresh stuff.

Las Vegas' exoticism will certainly be increased if everybody is running around in stillsuits and shouting "Long live the hookers!" and "The Dice Must Flow!"; but it'll be pretty much all downsides from there(remember, whatever you do, when you are near the Nevada Test Site, Walk. Without. Rhythm.).

The problem with geothermal (5, Insightful)

overshoot (39700) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607832)

is that unlike wind and solar, it's always on. This makes it much more difficult to explain why it won't meet baseline demand.

Re:The problem with geothermal (3, Funny)

peterofoz (1038508) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607994)

NEWS FLASH 4/1/2015

Federally funded Nevada geothermal plant sponsored by Harry Reid triggers massive earthquakes in San Francisco and causes the giant Yellowstone caldera in Wyoming to rise another 50 ft.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/15/swiss-geothermal-power-earthquakes-basel [guardian.co.uk]

If the Yellowstone Caldera goes... (3, Insightful)

voss (52565) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608610)

Earthquakes in San Fransisco will be the least of your worries. The last eruption of the Yellowstone caldera 640,000 years ago
shot 240 cubic miles of rock and dust into the sky.

Re:The problem with geothermal (4, Interesting)

Solandri (704621) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608092)

The problem with geothermal is that after you extract the heat from the rocks, it takes time for the surrounding rock to heat up the cool spot you've created. This places a natural limit on the rate you can extract heat energy from a geothermal well, thus making it unsuitable for high population density areas like cities. The geological formations in some areas provide their own natural flow of subterranean water, thus constantly carrying in heat from other distant rocks to your geothermal well. But those are exceedingly rare.

Regardless, I am very optimistic about geothermal for meeting the energy needs of low population density areas. On top of that, geothermal heat pumps [wikipedia.org] for heating and air conditioning, while not an energy source, improve efficiency so much that in both hot and cold regions of the country, they will typically pay for themselves in 3-7 years.

Re:The problem with geothermal (3, Informative)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608210)

it takes time for the surrounding rock to heat up the cool spot you've created. This places a natural limit on the rate you can extract heat energy from a geothermal well

      While I'm no expert in the field I daresay that there's a "natural limit" to anything, including the energy produced from an oil burning plant. Surely the output of the plant is an engineering issue, and it's simply a matter of design.

Re:The problem with geothermal (2, Funny)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608492)

Yes yes! My geothermal plant design involves burrowing down through the core of the earth and out the other side to the center of the Sun, where it's always warm. I'm currently awaiting a grant to conduct further study, and with luck we can break ground by 2009.

Re:The problem with geothermal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608412)

is that unlike wind and solar, it's always on. This makes it much more difficult to explain why it won't meet baseline demand.

Actually the same reasoning should be applied to solar thermal generation - see heat storage (e.g. liquid salt) - and wind power - what matters is the average generation over the plants (the variance can be dealt with by distributing your generators over a significant geographical area). Hell even non-baseload power generation can be stabilised using techniques like pumped-water storage. The problem is that certain people have a vested interest in fostering the popular misconception that green energy can't provide baseload power.

Re:The problem with geothermal (1)

toygeek (473120) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608488)

The problem with Geothermal is that its *not* always on. That is, its always on until it isn't, at all. Earthquakes (which Nevada is prone to, not as much as socal but we get them plenty!) and other movement of the earth can cause whole geothermal areas to go cold.

There is one thing I can tell you for sure about Nevada. We have tons of open space, and if its not *windy*, its *sunny*.

About time! (5, Funny)

migla (1099771) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607840)

There are far too many women driving around in Nevada!

Re:About time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608030)

And Oriental women

Re:About time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608364)

I am not so sure being the Saudi Arabia on anything is such a good idea.

Re:About time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608382)

Jihad on solar!

Re:About time! (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608434)

I don't think he means it like that, he's talking about it being the place the money comes from to fund people to fly into tall buildings one continent over. Look out Tokyo!

Naturally (3, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607842)

Of course it is. Since it's your state, Mr. Reid, it couldn't possibly be anywhere else, right?

That's one of the things I always hated about politicians. They always think their state is the best at ::insert arbitrary thing here::. I got news for you, bud: it's America. Hardly anything here is the best. A lot of it is very good, some of it is even awesome, and some things are even legendary in how amazing they are...but I think saying best is generally pushing it.

-American who loves his country, which is why he can be honest about it

Re:Naturally (1, Flamebait)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607876)

I wouldn't worry too much about Harry's opinions, he's fading in to history pretty darn soon.

Re:Naturally (1)

e9th (652576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608006)

Don't worry. Once the Yellowstone Supervolcano [earthmountainview.com] erupts, what remains of Wyoming will take over from Nevada.

Re:Naturally (3, Interesting)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608422)

That's one of the things I always hated about politicians. They always think their state is the best

It's not a problem with politicians, it's a problem with the system. The constitution says that a senator represents a state, a congressperson a district. If you want it to be different, we need to have a body that is elected by the American people as a whole.

Geothermal energy ignored? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32607844)

Only if you've never been to Iceland (everything is expensive there except electricity and hot water).

Re:Geothermal energy ignored? (3, Informative)

inanet (1033718) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607900)

Here in New Zealand (only the most thermally active place in the world with people living on it) we use quite a bit of geo-thermal energy, but apparently we are only utilising the tip of the iceberg, although there are plans for more plants to be built... one of the great things about geothermal energy is "waste gold" that builds up in the pipes ;) ... unfortunately along with sulphur and all sorts of less desirable bits and pieces...

Re:Geothermal energy ignored? (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608128)

one of the great things about geothermal energy is "waste gold" that builds up in the pipes ;) ... unfortunately along with sulphur and all sorts of less desirable bits and pieces

Well you're only supposed to puff at the damned thing, not inhale it. Haven't you learned anything from our American politicians?

Re:Geothermal energy ignored? (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608222)

Interestingly (to me, anyhow), the state of Nevada is actually larger than New Zealand. Only about half as many people, though:

Nevada: 110,567 sq mi (286,367 sq km), 2010 pop. 2,600,000

New Zealand: 103,737 sq mi (268,680 sq km), 2010 pop. 4,296,756

This could mean that Nevada has a larger potential for geothermal energy.

Re:Geothermal energy ignored? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608632)

"only the most thermally active place in the world with people living on it"

Then what is Iceland? They're pretty much 100% powered by geothermal power.

Saudi Arabia? (4, Funny)

denzacar (181829) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607850)

How much is that in sensible scientific measurements like Libraries of Congress or Football Fields per Square Barleycorn?

Re:Saudi Arabia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32607898)

It's the equivalent of one Ron Jeremy penis.

Re:Saudi Arabia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32607920)

Saudi Arabia is much hotter than Nevada and is therefore the Saudi Arabia of geothermal energy, you insensitive clod!

Soo... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608166)

In Saudi Arabia geothermal energy pushes Harry Reid?

Re:Saudi Arabia? (1)

skuzzlebutt (177224) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608244)

Las Vegas/Saudi Arabia==1.453 harryreids (non U.S. conversion: 1 harryreid==.74555648 cheesewheels)

Geothermal (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32607906)

Geothermal isn't really that renewable!

Re:Geothermal (4, Funny)

ArbitraryDescriptor (1257752) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608000)

Geothermal isn't really that renewable!

Once we suck all the heat out of the Earth's core, the mantle will solidify: fusing all the tectonic plates and ending earthquakes and volcanoes once and for all.

Win/win.

Re:Geothermal (4, Informative)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608170)

Once we suck all the heat out of the Earth's core, the mantle will solidify: fusing all the tectonic plates and ending earthquakes and volcanoes once and for all.

Win/win.

      Assuming that were possible (don't worry, it's not), you end up losing the dynamo effect of a liquid mantle, the Earth's magnetic field vanishes, and the solar wind blows the atmosphere off into space. Yeah, really win.

      Nerd card revoked.

Re:Geothermal (4, Funny)

ArbitraryDescriptor (1257752) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608214)

Oh, you misunderstood. I was speaking on behalf of the Earth.
Win 1: No more painful earthquakes and embarrassing volcanoes.
Win 2: No more disgusting fungi and parasites mucking about on the surface.

Re:Geothermal (2, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608252)

I guess I'm being too literal. The codeine isn't taking the pain away anymore. My bad. You can have your nerd card back but first you have to let go of that female.

Re:Geothermal (3, Funny)

ArbitraryDescriptor (1257752) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608516)

But I've never been this close to one before! :(

Re:Geothermal (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608312)

Thats not win win is it? Win/win means everyone benefits.

Re:Geothermal (1)

turbidostato (878842) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608424)

"Thats not win win is it? Win/win means everyone benefits."

I thought "Win/win" means "Bill Gates/bill gates" benefits.

Re:Geothermal (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608448)

And what the hell does this have to do with the price of tea in china?

Re:Geothermal (1)

ArbitraryDescriptor (1257752) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608508)

I'm sorry parasite, the Earth cannot hear you over Mars's incessant taunting. It thinks it's sooo grown up just because it shed it's biosphere a billion years earlier. Well you know what, Mars? Everyone acts like they don't notice that enormous mountain when they talk to you, but they do. We all do. We even have a name for it.

Probably auditioning for a lobbyist job come 2011 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32607918)

Good chance Harry's going to be another "unexpected" person on the unemployment line thanks to 0bama's failures.

Yeah, let's keep running monthly deficits bigger than the already-unsustainable ones Bush ran.

Woo hoo.

Hopenchange is going to have to go knocking on doors asking to dig through your couch for any loose change so he can keep handing out other people's money.

Yellowstone Caldera? (1)

mindbrane (1548037) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607930)

I don't pretend to any knowledge on the subject, but wouldn't the Yellowstone Caldera [wikipedia.org] be the picture perfect place for the development of geothermal energy?

Re:Yellowstone Caldera? (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607966)

That's exactly what i was going to say. I'm willing to believe it if someone can provide some numbers from a reputable geologist, since i don't know a lot about the field myself, but until then i'm far more willing to believe that Wyoming would be the US's "Saudi Arabia of geothermal energy" than i would Nevada.

Re:Yellowstone Caldera? (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608220)

i'm far more willing to believe that Wyoming would be the US's "Saudi Arabia of geothermal energy" than i would Nevada

Based on a few articles in National Geographic you read as a kid and a few PBS specials on volcanic activity, right? We all know those sources are authoritative and complete and never exclusionary, right? It's good that you want testimony from an expert(s), especially since your presumption is based on such an incomplete survey in the first place.

Among other places (1)

overshoot (39700) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608078)

I don't pretend to any knowledge on the subject, but wouldn't the Yellowstone Caldera be the picture perfect place for the development of geothermal energy?

Or central New Mexico (the Socorro Seismic Anomaly [nmt.edu] ), where there's another honking huge magma chamber. Or pretty near anywhere in the Cascades, or any of Arizona's volcanic fields, or anywhere near Pacific subduction zone, or ...

Re:Among other places (1)

El_Oscuro (1022477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608482)

or ... KABOOM!!!!

Re:Yellowstone Caldera? (5, Interesting)

nephilimsd (936642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608102)

Actually, as a resident of Reno (it's not as bad as it sounds.. really) I can definitively say that there is more geothermal energy over a wider area here than in Yellowstone. My understanding is that Yellowstone has a very strong, but very locialized pocket of usable energy, whereas the entire greater Carson-Reno area is tappable for energy. There have been quite a few apartment complexes and neighborhood groups who have pitched together to fund geothermal wells in this area, and effectively end up paying about 15k as a one-time cost to eliminate an electric bill for life (well, the life of the well, anyway). Best part is, because more energy is generated than can reasonably be used by 15-20 houses, the rest gets sold back to the electric company, and NV Energy takes care of maintenance on the well in exchange.

Re:Yellowstone Caldera? (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608122)

> Yellowstone Caldera

Drill baby, drill!

Re:Yellowstone Caldera? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608350)

This!
I don't understand for the life of me why nobody is tapping the volcanoes for geothermal!
1) IT IS HOT
2) FREE
3) YOU CAN SELL IT
4) IT WILL OUTLIVE YOU
5) You might potentially stop a future eruption if you are smart about the design of the piping system.

Apparently the people in Yellowstone would rather have a timebomb park than powerhouse and, well, STILL A PARK, WITH SOME MORE BUILDINGS AROUND...
Don't want Old Faithful to die? USE ALL THAT FREE ENERGY YOU'RE GETTING TO FAKE IT! BOY, ITS A MILLION DOLLAR IDEA!

I'm glad i'm nowhere near that thing when it goes off. At least i'll have a chance. (especially since the chamber seems to be shrinking in size in general over the many years it has popped its top)

Re:Yellowstone Caldera? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608468)

1) IT IS HOT

This is the problem. Hot is good, but magma is a bit too hot. Ideally for geothermal you want something quite a bit cooler. You want it to, for example, boil water and push steam through a turbine, but you don't want it to actually melt the turbine.

Re:Yellowstone Caldera? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608456)

No, Wyoming is the Iraq of geothermal energy and Texas is the Afghanistan of geothermal energy.

Wait, what are we talking about?

Dear USDOE (1, Flamebait)

Ixokai (443555) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607960)

On behalf of California, I'd like to ask you to please restrict your funding of drilling holes into the crust to the other side of the country, or maybe like the middle, y'know? Really far away from fault lines, basically.

If you accidentally tick off The Big One and Southern California falls into the ocean, all you'll have left are those crazy Northern California people, and we'll -so- become a Red State.

Trust me, your boss doesn't want that.

Yeah, I know its possible to do geothermal energy safely. Its also possible to make earthquakes with it. Let's side over on the cautious end in the west coast, shall we?

Re:Dear USDOE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608036)

Fuck California.

Dear Ixokai (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608242)

Please be assured that it is statistically unlikely that drilling holes to capture geothermal energy will cause a large enough quake to send southern California into the ocean.

Additionally, please be assured that, should an earthquake send southern California into the ocean, we will ensure northern California follows. With nuclear weapons, if need be.

Sincerely,
US Department of Energy

Re:Dear USDOE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608370)

On behalf of the rest of the country, I'd like to say...
DRILL BABY, DRILL

Re:Dear USDOE (1)

bobdehnhardt (18286) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608578)

If you accidentally tick off The Big One and Southern California falls into the ocean, all you'll have left are those crazy Northern California people, and we'll -so- become a Red State.

Ever been to Berkeley? San Francisco? California only becomes a Red state if Orange County and San Diego are all that's left.

Or did you mean Red as in Commie? That would be a real possibility.

water? (1)

bugi (8479) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607968)

And where pray tell does he propose to get the necessary water for this project?

Silly (1)

overshoot (39700) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608114)

And where pray tell does he propose to get the necessary water for this project?

From the Colorado River -- Nevada has been trying to get a greater allocation for a long time and this would get the Feds in on their side. Or, of course, there's all the sewage from Las Vegas. Whenever the wind is headed out of state they can just use that for coolant.

Re:Silly (1)

gonzonista (790137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608346)

Many of the geothermal projects are air-cooled. Those that are water cooled are in areas where you can actually get water rights. Water is not the limiting factor in geothermal development.

Re:Silly (1)

bobdehnhardt (18286) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608606)

From the Colorado River -- Nevada has been trying to get a greater allocation for a long time and this would get the Feds in on their side. Or, of course, there's all the sewage from Las Vegas. Whenever the wind is headed out of state they can just use that for coolant.

Read the article - they're talking Northern Nevada. That's about 450 miles from Las Vegas. The only time Reno is near Vegas is on CSI. And that's no credible source; half of the cast can't even say "Nevada" correctly.

Re:Silly (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608628)

It's hard for me to believe the Colorado could contribute to any more significant infrastructure/industrial projects -- the flow has been damed and diverted so many times it doesn't even consistently reach the ocean anymore.

Re:water? (1)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608120)

1) Suck up all the water from the Gulf
2) Burn off the oil to produce power
3) Ship the cleaned water to Nevada
4) Profit!
So simple, it doesn't even need a ?????? step!

Re:water? (1)

beej (82035) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608366)

And where pray tell does he propose to get the necessary water for this project?

Same place they're getting the heat, I should imagine.

Some More Sources: (3, Informative)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 4 years ago | (#32607976)

Here are a few more sources for info. regarding the contract...posted for no other reason than my own annoyance with Inhabitat =P

DOE Press Release with Media Contact Number [energy.gov]

Sustainable Business Blog, apparently the initial plant will produce 49.5 MW in capacity [sustainablebusiness.com]

Home website of NGP, the contract winner [nevadageothermal.com]

Write up from EON, with quite a bit more info, including contact info. for various parties involved. [businesswire.com]

Do you know what the Nevada of Saudi Arabia is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608028)

Nevada.

I take politician pronouncements seriously! (0, Offtopic)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608062)

How baked was he? Seriously, was the bong still in his hand?

i hope it powers trains ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32608184)

cool!

Nevada Solar? (1)

nickrout (686054) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608188)

You guys should read "Solar" by Ian McEwan.

Stop the presses! (1)

dcmoebius (1527443) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608218)

'conditional commitment' to provide a partial guarantee for a rumored $98.5 million loan

News, huh?

In 1981 (1)

BCW2 (168187) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608380)

I was part of a crew that put in a geothermal installation at New Mexico State University the still provides hot water to the dorms and heats the 2 swimming pools. Four and a half miles of insulated pipe, a heat exchanger and a 25,000 gallon hot water tank. The University Presidents house has it's own system. So this isn't all that new. The only things that would improve it are better piping and shallower hot water. We had wells delivering 142 degrees F at the wellhead but they were in the 950 foot range and that is expensive.

With Blackjack, and hookers? (-1, Flamebait)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608414)

They have whorehouses and gambling in Arabia now?

Awesome.

Geothermal energy is everywhere (1)

grandpa-geek (981017) | more than 4 years ago | (#32608634)

Geothermal energy is everywhere. The Earth has about 5000 years' supply. The skills and equipment for getting it are the same as drilling for oil. The only downside is that geothermal production brings up nasty stuff (such as sulfur) that has to be handled.

Geothermal would be a good activity for the oil drillers displaced by the moratorium on gulf drilling or more generally if we switch to electric cars and alternative fuels.

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