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Thailand Shuts Down 43,000 More Websites

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the everybody-loves-the-king-or-else dept.

Censorship 166

An anonymous reader writes "Bangkok Post reports that the Thai government has now shut down over 43,000 websites deemed defamatory to the royal institution. Thai ISPs are warned to cooperate 'voluntarily' or lose their license. This is in addition to 17,000+ that were recently blocked for 'national security,' including both Facebook and Twitter accounts."

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Bangkok renamed (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610592)

Bangkok has been renamed to put an end to that stupid joke forever.

Nocwang

Re:Bangkok renamed (4, Informative)

Morth (322218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610618)

Interestingly, Bangkok is only the international name, in Thai it's called Krungthep.

Re:Bangkok renamed (2, Insightful)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610674)

Interestingly, Bangkok is only the international name, in Thai it's called Krungthep.

Does Krungthep say, in Thai, anything about banging cocks?

Yes, it's a serious question.

Stop smirking!

Re:Bangkok renamed (4, Informative)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611184)

Does Krungthep say, in Thai, anything about banging cocks?

No.

In Thai the correct connotation for that is "jack wow" or "chuck wow" depending on your accent. It means to "fly (your own) kite".

Re:Bangkok renamed (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610778)

Actually the real full name of bangkok is
Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit
it means
The city of angels, the great city, the eternal jewel city, the impregnable city of God Indra, the grand capital of the world endowed with nine precious gems, the happy city, abounding in an enormous Royal Palace that resembles the heavenly abode where reigns the reincarnated god, a city given by Indra and built by Vishnukarma

Re:Bangkok renamed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611048)

So, it's their Los Angeles?

Re:Bangkok renamed (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611290)

Actually the real full name of bangkok is
Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit
it means
The city of angels, the great city, the eternal jewel city, the impregnable city of God Indra, the grand capital of the world endowed with nine precious gems, the happy city, abounding in an enormous Royal Palace that resembles the heavenly abode where reigns the reincarnated god, a city given by Indra and built by Vishnukarma

Confucius say: Man who go through airport turnstile sideways going to Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit!

Re:Bangkok renamed (5, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611486)

Actually the real full name of bangkok is
Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit

...of Ulm

Re:Bangkok renamed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611658)

Yep. And I'm sitting in my local Italian restaurant on the outskirts of Bangkok, just finishing a rather nice meal before heading in for a night on the town. :)

Re:Bangkok renamed (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610702)

The entire Thai community is a hotbed of so-called alternative sexuality, which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? (4, Insightful)

mykos (1627575) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610594)

We'll freaking do it. Don't think we won't, Thailand!

Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610604)

We'll freaking do it. Don't think we won't, Thailand!

You mean Bhumibol Adulyadej, the pedophile?

Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610670)

You mean Bhumibol Adulyadej, the pedophile?

No, Bhumibol Adulyadej the terrorist. When one commits various crimes, you have to use the strongest, otherwise we'd call him Bhumibol Adulyadej the rapist.

Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610736)

Apparently, Thailand has a collective repressed foot fetish, finding the juxtaposition of the Bummibol and the feet to be a disproportionately offensive insult.

For your consumption, your majesty, the dirty digits of Richard Matthew Stallman [youtube.com] .

And now an ASCII representation, because if drawn art depicting certain illegal acts is illegal in Britain, I'm guessing it must be in the more repressive Thailand:

ooooO O-:

43,001.

Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610952)

That's HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS KING Bhumibol Adulyadej, the pedophile terrorist if you don't mind!!

Show the kiddy diddler some respect please!!

Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611090)

The only paedophiles in Thailand are americans [pattayadailynews.com]

Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? (3, Insightful)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610910)

We'll freaking do it. Don't think we won't, Thailand!

Jees, you know almost every business will have a picture of the king up. Why don't you threaten to wear yellow as well.

Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611298)

True, that is, unless we draw him with a shoe as a hat:

  w
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note to Thai Censorship Service: This is an abstract picture of King Bhumibol wearing one shoe on each side of his head.

Is slashdot blocked yet? (3, Funny)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610996)

And if slashdot is not blocked, the Thai net censors have been a little negligent.

No, not yet. (2, Informative)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611186)

It's not blocked yet. I live in Bangkok.

Oddly, most of the sites I come across that are blocked are porn sites, and not many of them (i.e. it's not difficult to access porn as most sites are not blocked).

*ahem*

I mean sites that my friend comes across. Yeah, that's the ticket. Anyway, the blocks are easily avoided by proxy services, and they are really slow about blocking those. Although, anonymouse.org has recently (in the past few months) come under the block list.

Re:No, not yet. (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611386)

It's not blocked yet. I live in Bangkok.

Oddly, most of the sites I come across that are blocked are porn sites,

I'm assuming you're not Thai. If you really need pron, you can get it from a DVD vendor for less then US$2 (if you're a bad haggler). Also you can hire an actual lady* for less then US$40.

* save the transgender jokes /. if you cant tell beforehand you have bigger problems.

Re:No, not yet. (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611412)

I mean sites that my friend comes across.

Eww? I mean, a little graphic...

Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611648)

It's a completely different culture there. I was stationed there in the USAF in 1974, and going to Mars wouldn't have been any more wierd. Nothing whatever is the same as here (USA). If you drop Thai money you'd damn well better not step on it, because the King's picture is on it, and you'll get your ass kicked at the very least. OTOH I was once scolded for swatting a fly -- they're Bhuddists, and worship life. It's a bit paradoxical.

We're talking about a 5,000 year old culture that was barely into the 20th century in 1974 anywhere outside Bankok. The last 40 years have seen incredible change there. You can't change 5,000 years of law, culture, traditions, and norms overnight.

Thailand? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610598)

I thought you were all cool 'n' shit.

Are we supposed to be surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610606)

They couped two times a democratically elected government, and the king didn't seem to bother. I guess it's payback time.

The nuclear resistance myth (5, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610614)

Should have designed the internet to be more resistant to oppressive governments.
Since they are more dangerous than nuclear weapons anyway.

Re:The nuclear resistance myth (2, Interesting)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610626)

Should have designed the internet to be more resistant to oppressive governments.

It's a rather weird suggestion as the internet was designed by a government agency.

Re:The nuclear resistance myth (2, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610650)

Not really. I remember somewhere the CIA publish literature, on how to organise an effective resistance against ... oppressive governments.

Re:The nuclear resistance myth (3, Insightful)

the_womble (580291) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610994)

The CIA's definition of oppressive is "we do not like them", so Iran is oppressive, but Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are not.

Re:The nuclear resistance myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611314)

Re:The nuclear resistance myth (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610816)

It's a rather weird suggestion as the internet was designed by a government agency.

I understand what you're saying, of course.

But people often say things like this as if things don't change. It's really irrelevant TODAY how and why the Internet was developed because what it was developed for and by who is not what it is TODAY. Things change.

Re:The nuclear resistance myth (3, Interesting)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610902)

It's a rather weird suggestion as the internet was designed by a government agency.

Well then perhaps a re-design would be in order since role of the internet has changed dramatically since then.

Of course that would be impossible in practice - but some new protocols should be possible. Personally I'd wish to see something that integrates (anonymous) P2P-style file sharing with www-style browsing, secure connections between peers, strong authentication, and ease of use. Why? Because that would do away with a lot of ad-hoc solutions like BT, Tor, Freenet, anonymizing proxies, etc, etc, that we have today. None of which are 'perfect' or as easy to use as http protocol.

Imagine having some source named "XYZ" on the internet, nobody knowing where "XYZ" is located or who it is. You start your browser, and go to 'home page' of XYZ. Then that file is fetched, but not from server somewhere, but from nearest peer (=ordinary user) that also has copy of said file(s). There's some big download on that home page, and when you save it, it gets fetched in BT-style swarming download. All the while using strong authentication that assures you the files you're getting are really from "XYZ" (whomever that may be), and not modified in transit somewhere. With secure connections between peers so that 3rd parties can't see who's getting what, from where.

With http protocol, someone who produces popular contents is 'punished' for that deed when their hosting server gets pounded. Funding popular sites with advertising has kept the internet mostly free (as in beer). Web hosting companies & mirroring services distribute the load across many websites, P2P programs help with distribution of huge files. But each of those is centralised to some degree, vulnerable to attack, and the fundamental issues remain.

Sure there would be some problems with such a protocol like database-generated pages, how to determine what's latest version, or how to send data back to original source. But it would be nice to have an integrated fix for above problems that's as easy & transparent to users as ordinary web surfing. Sites like WikiLeaks wouldn't have to worry about funding, torrent sites wouldn't have to move countries to avoid legal attacks, and government blocking wouldn't work. Sure it would make some illegal activities easier, but I think it would still be a net (no pun intended) positive, in the greater scheme of things. And ordinary website owners wouldn't have to worry about costs / diskspace / bandwidth requirements anymore (apart from uploading 1st copy of files).

Re:The nuclear resistance myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611066)

Imagine being a peer in this system, weeping for his dead hard drive.

Re:The nuclear resistance myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611592)

The internet is like a pony. You have a pony. You don't want it though, you want a unicorn. Your parents never had a pony when they were a kid and neither do most kids have one now. You are one of the few who are lucky enough to have a pony, but you take it for granted. You take your pony for granted and you want me to give you a FUCKING UNICORN?!?!?

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND ENJOY YOUR PONY, YOU SPOILED CUNT!

All I can hope (5, Insightful)

Sparx139 (1460489) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610622)

is that the idiocy of one country will force people to care about what happens to their own - that Thailand will be a warning about where the UK et. al. are headed.

Re:All I can hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610764)

What point are you trying to make? We've been ridiculing our royals for quite some time now, and will continue as long as we don't make libellous comments.

Re:All I can hope (3, Insightful)

KarlIsNotMyName (1529477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610860)

He's probably hinting at the police state that the UK is turning in to, with the tons of surveillance etc.

Whether it's the royal family that's the excuse for it doesn't really change things.

Re:All I can hope (2, Interesting)

golden age villain (1607173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610932)

But I guess it will be long before the UK closes web sites on the ground that they are defamatory to the royal family.

Re:All I can hope (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611304)

But I guess it will be long before the UK closes web sites on the ground that they are defamatory to the royal family.

Well, there goes the UK dressage team's chances.

Re:All I can hope (3, Interesting)

jrumney (197329) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610914)

Do you really think this is about ridiculing royals? Its about ridiculing the current government, and supporting Thaksin, who, corrupt as he may be, is still Thailand's last democratically elected president by any meaningful interpretation of democratically [wikipedia.org] .

Re:All I can hope (1)

Meneth (872868) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611028)

Ridiculing governments is even more useful.

Re:All I can hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611038)

The current government was elected the same way the current UK government was, via a coalition. Your favourite party can keep repeating "they weren't democratically elected" as much as you want, but anyone with common sense is just going to ignore you.

The sad thing is... (1)

Qubit (100461) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610632)

from what I heard the King of Thailand was a decent guy. Apparently there were a number of PMs in the last few years who have been sacked for one reason or another, and the only one who wasn't tossed out was the one that the King put into power himself (and he only did it because the country was having problems trying to appoint a PM or something...).

Hopefully the Thai people can sort all this stuff out. Maybe after they get the government running smoothly, then they can talk to the King about the possibility of changing these laws.

Re:The sad thing is... (3, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610698)

Perhaps you have also heard of PR, public relations. Those purveyors of lies and false images in order to create a false impression of some of the biggest arse holes on the planet, of course rich arse holes.

All people are defined by the actions. Any arse hole that lets tens of thousands of web sites be shut down in their name in order to preserve the bull shit public relations image, well guess what, they are arse holes.

If the Thai people are having their ability to critique the political leadership than it behoves free thinkers from around the world to make those criticisms seem like nothing compared to the public derision piled upon the decietful and shameful Thai un-noble un-royal house. The sheer arrogance of people who believe they are special because of the particular hole they were squeezed out of, special enough to be honoured and obeyed by every citizen of their country and if that's not enough they also expect that specialness to be acknowledged by the rest of the world, more than 6 billion meant to be less than a bunch stupendously arrogant arse holes, they are special, a special kind of arse hole.

There is never an excuse for that kind of behaviour, for that arrogance of the minority over the free and democratic will of the majority. Monarchy a lie that has been based on centuries of torturing to death anyone who disagreed, well that time is over and, no way it is ever coming back.

Re:The sad thing is... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610790)

> they also expect that specialness to be acknowledged by the rest of the world

As opposed to expecting some other part of the world to sit up and listen when you lecture them on how they are doing it all wrong?

> that lets tens of thousands of web sites be shut down in their name
> for that arrogance of the minority over the free and democratic will of the majority

The government puts these laws in place. You're opposed to the King overriding government. You're also opposed to the King not overriding government. Make your mind up!

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611012)

"The government puts these laws in place. You're opposed to the King overriding government. You're also opposed to the King not overriding government. Make your mind up!"

However the king also should watch the constitutionality of laws.

Re:The sad thing is... (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610898)

Any arse hole that lets tens of thousands of web sites be shut down in their name in order to preserve the bull shit public relations image, well guess what, they are arse holes.

Last I heard, he was near death and in the hospital - been there for 9 months or so.

Re:The sad thing is... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610922)

using 'arse' instead of the word ASS does not make you politically correct. it just makes you a dumb ass.

Re:The sad thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611208)

using ass instead of arse is a half-arsed attempt at politeness from a nation that uses the word bathroom because toilet has somehow become a dirty word even though relates to washing and not defaction.

It's quite funny to have friends ask for the bathroom and you show them a room with a bath but no toilet.

It's even funnier to watch people try to use the word ass in an offensive way. They have to use ass a lot (and do) to make up for it being such a weak word.

Using the word arse is using an english word the english way.

Re:The sad thing is... (5, Interesting)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610958)

Wow, you must be sanuk at parties.

If the Thai people are having their ability to critique the political leadership

This is true, but it has little to do with the King and a lot to do with the wealthy Bangkok families who hold the real political power. The King of Thailand has as much political influence as the Queen of England and deliberately tries to keep the royal family out of politics (much like HRH Elizabeth II).

The current party in power who ousted the PPP (Peoples Power Party) are funded by the wealthy Thai's and backed by the army (the real political decider in Thailand, if the army supports your party you will get in). Meanwhile the "Red Shirts" are backed and funded by ousted PM Thaksin Shintarwa (who was, until recently one of Thailand's wealthiest).

Perhaps you should learn about a countries political situation before driveling on about it.

Not the real reason ... (1)

electricprof (1410233) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611060)

I seriously doubt that many these closings have must to do with the current king or even the royal family. Considering the recent large protests in Thailand, I'm reasonably confident that this is much more about the current power elites trying to keep the protests down.

mod parent up (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611174)

Hit the nail on the head.

This is also about trying to draw supporters to the government by saying, "look, we support the king" despite what HRH has to say about Thailand's leste majesty laws (HINT: He openly doesn't support them).

Re:The sad thing is... (5, Informative)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610924)

Apparently there were a number of PMs in the last few years who have been sacked for one reason or another, and the only one who wasn't tossed out was the one that the King put into power himself

This is inaccurate. Thailand is a nation that has had as many coups since 1932 as the US has had elections.

The King has not put a single PM into power in recent years. Most are removed via political jockeying from their opponents. The only Thai PM to complete his term was Thaksin Shintrawa (sp) and he was ousted for corruption in his second term by a military coup (Thailand is a third world nation, did you expect political stability). Most coups/oustings are simply attempts by one political party, not in power to gain power. Thaksin is far from innocent (who is), he is the main driving force as well as the bankroll of the recent political unrest in Bangkok.

Thailands biggest political forces are the rich families like the Nana family. Mostly ethnic Chinese, which is a major division between the rich and the poor, who are mostly ethnic Thai. Most of the unrest is caused by these power-brokers.

The King is about the only stable political force in Thailand, this is mainly because the King rarely speaks about politics. I'd hate to think how bad things will get when the King dies (and I doubt this will be too long). The last demonstration saw Silom burn and 50 people killed.

Thailand isn't not Third World (4, Informative)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610982)

They make between 900,000 and a million automobiles a year, have a diversified economy and are a net food exporter.

"Thailand has a GDP worth 8.5 trillion Baht (on a purchasing power parity (PPP) basis), or US$627 billion (PPP). This classifies Thailand as the 2nd largest economy in Southeast Asia after Indonesia. Despite this, Thailand ranks midway in the wealth spread in Southeast Asia as it is the 4th richest nation according to GDP per capita, after Singapore, Brunei and Malaysia."

They have a million person military with advanced fighters like the F-16 block 50 and Saab/BAE Gripen

The UN classifies them as Developing, where the classic "third world country" is an under developed country.

Really the only thing that links all the under developed countries to the classical Cold War "third world country" is that all third world country demand and receive Western aid.

Re:Thailand isn't not Third World (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611154)

Really the only thing that links all the under developed countries to the classical Cold War "third world country" is that all third world country demand and receive Western aid.

Fair enough, Thailand is one of SE Aisa's highest performing economies.

What I meant was they don't have a stable political system, Thailand still has the government of a third world nation (not the economy)

Thailand also has a few "white elephants" in their military including an aircraft carrier dubbed as the worlds most expensive royal yacht (active for all of 12 days a year). As far as richer nations like Malaysia and Singapore go the Thai military is not that good, they are only just buying 4th gen fighters like the Saab Gripen. But compare that to Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar (Burma).

Re:Thailand isn't not Third World (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611514)

Shall we just call it a banana republic instead of fixating on it not being third world? They shouldn't feel singled out, because the US is also rapidly turning into a banana republic.

Re:The sad thing is... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611252)

Thailand is a nation that has had as many coups since 1932 as the US has had elections.

Yes, always remember that one man's coup is another man's colour coded revolution.

Re:The sad thing is... (2)

am 2k (217885) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611594)

The only Thai PM to complete his term was Thaksin Shintrawa (sp) and he was ousted for corruption in his second term by a military coup

So their political system actually works better than the ones in the so-called first-world nations?

  • In the US, corruption is actually legal and ok ("donations", and see GWB and Halliburton).
  • In Italy, the whistleblower Gaspare Spatuzza who outed Berlusconi's connections to the Cosa Nostra is now a dead man due to the political powers.
  • ACTA is a treaty against the very people the politicians are supposed to represent.
  • The media industry is buying several laws in many countries (like the USA, Australia, GB) that could ultimately end the Internet as we know it.

This list could go on and on and on... Removing a politician by the military due to corruption is actually how it's supposed to work. Corrupt politicians aren't the problem, they're the symptom of a broken political system.

Re:The sad thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610954)

The strings that are pulled in that country run to the very top. It is likely the King ordered the coup in '06 and much of the funding for their favored political party comes from the royalty. The non-democraticly elected government in place right now is the party that was intended to take over in '06 but failed at the election part, so another coup was required, and this time they just skipped the election part since that wasn't working out too well. Though he may seem like a good guy, his hands are looking pretty soiled.

It is law that if your going to talk about the king, you had best say good things about him or spend 18 years in a not-so-nice thai prison, so as a result you have not heard much negative press about him.

I have to post this anonymously as saying this anywhere could have serious repercussions for me and the people I work with.

how on earth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610640)

do they find these fb accounts, unless they were made public?

Fuck the king of thailand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610658)

Fuck the king of thailand - like he did with those goats. Dead, underaged goats.

What an opportunity (4, Interesting)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610688)

I really wish this would have happened here, in Sweden. Then there would be a public outrcy, the monarchy would have been abolished in 2 seconds, and we wouldn't have to suffer this stupid coverage of the crown princess and her upcoming boring wedding every XXXXXXX minute on every XXXXXXX channel. Our king might be harmless, but he's hardly more important than uncensored access to the internet.

Re:What an opportunity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610748)

no one fucking cares about Sweden. Go to hell.

Re:What an opportunity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610758)

As also a resident of Sweden, this is just not true.

Why would people blame the king for state-censoring?

While I agree that there would be a big outcry if this much was censored, we already have a small amount of censure and some is semi-political.
However; while the bloody wedding is bloody boring censoring would hardly remove the monarchy since it would not be the King that issued the censoring. He would most likely be against it (he is always "for" anything the general public is "for" it seems) so one could argue that the monarchy would strengthen by censoring. But that effect would most likely be very small.

Re:What an opportunity (3, Funny)

mangu (126918) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610802)

we already have a small amount of censure and some is semi-political

Yes, I've heard about it. Swedes are not allowed to publish torrent files.

Re:What an opportunity (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610850)

He would most likely be against it (he is always "for" anything the general public is "for" it seems) so one could argue that the monarchy would strengthen by censoring.

This always seems to surprise people who haven't gotten their heads wrapped around what role a modern day monarch plays in a democracy.

And it isn't just entertainment for the junk media to feed the easily distracted masses.

Re:What an opportunity (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610772)

...coverage of the crown princess and her upcoming boring wedding... on every XXXXXXX channel...

That doesn't sound like any kind of wedding I've ever been to, and not that boring at all. Unless she's a little... err... Homely.

Re:What an opportunity (1, Offtopic)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610808)

When I was young, I used to find the whole British Monarchy obsession ridiculous. Who would wait on the street in long lines for another human, no matter what she symbolises? On one typical day twenty five years later, I saw people winding long queues outside an Apple store for the latest ephemeral plastic toy, and walked home past three nationalised banks, a row of high street shops converted into charity outlets because no-one can afford the rent, and one bursting Jobcentre. My only comfort that evening was hearing that the House of Lords had sent another piece of New Labour orwellian legislation back to Parliament. That evening the papers vilified Prince Charles for an anti-egalitarian speech implying that lowering university standards so everyone gets a place helps neither the academically bright nor those with other talents.

Then I recalled what a system of Constitutional Monarchy (including the Lords system) excels at doing: cutting through bullshit without feeling threatened that they'd lose their position of power. "But why should they get privilege because of the hole they came out of?" I hear you cry. Well, yes, and why should you be better rewardeed because you were born more healthy, or with greater IQ, than your neighbour? Life's not fair, but when you get on your hobby horse just because one particular aspect of society gets your goat, you might just make it less fair.

Re:What an opportunity (1)

orzetto (545509) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611436)

I'll bite...

why should you be better rewardeed because you were born more healthy

Because my DNA is better and positively contributes to the gene pool. That is a major asset for any country or social group. Most royalty are known to have crappy DNA because of centuries of in-breeding.

or with greater IQ

You aren't born with IQ no more than you are born with muscles. You have to exercise the brain to develop it. Barring insanity or genetic problems, your IQ reflects your effort.

Re:What an opportunity (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611638)

Because my DNA is better and positively contributes to the gene pool.

(1) Define "positively" in the sentence fragment "positively contributes to the gene pool" without begging the question;

(2) You haven't explained why this means you should be rewarded. If breeding some genetically superior race is your aim, then the healthiest male specimens should probably be interned, fed and given a mandatory exercise regime to ensure their testicles remain in premium condition, then forced to produce sperm for shipping (no sex for you! that'd introduce extra risk) to the fittest females.

Most royalty are known to have crappy DNA because of centuries of in-breeding.

Except for all the DNA which gives them the sense to know how to maintain their positions. Contrary to popular belief, while there are a few conditions which certainly will be brought out by interbreeding of extended family, you're mostly just going to emphasise existing phenotypes.

Barring insanity or genetic problems, your IQ reflects your effort.

It doesn't matter how often people say it, it doesn't make it true. Sorry!

There is no evidence that you can significantly improve your IQ with effort. There is a small amount of evidence that very early education can affect IQ, where the effort comes from the parents rather than the child (just like under monarchy!). There is substantial evidence that IQ has a genetic component, regardless of the mental effort made by the kid once he's born. IQ is a reflection of the ability of the brain when trained to develop in a particular way in order to facilitate later practice; it's not a measure of the amount of training performed.

Re:What an opportunity (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610826)

If you seriously think that housewife and tween crowd that follows that coverage resulting in media frenzy you're seeing will care for uncensored internet access in some far away country that's a quarter of planet away, you're in for a sore disappointment.

Humans are self centered, egoistic and generally unemphatic crowd when it's something that happens far away. But shove them a live webcam of a bird nest, and you'll have thousands upon thousands of angry housewives screaming up hell at politicians to "help that poor little bird that got pushed out of the nest by it's bigger siblings".
We had that here next door in Finland. It was the most disgusting and clear show just why Churchill was dead on with his famous "best argument against democracy" quote.

Kings and Queens (1, Interesting)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610872)

As a dutch resident, I can only say that I welcome the fact that we are a kingdom. Not because I particularly like our royal family, but because of the horror of the alternative. We have a few important political separations in our society:

  • Separation of church and state
  • Separation of law-making and law-enforcing powers
  • Separation of power and representation

You won't learn the last one at school, but it is very important. We have a queen to do official openings, shake hands, etc. but she cannot make political dicisions (though technically, she has a very tiny amount of political power left)

Now the alternative. A lot of polictical parties would like to do away with our monarchy and install a president with political powers. Like the situation in Germany, France, the USA, etc. The president of the USA can declare a war. Personally. Thank goodness our queen cannot.

I gladly admit that a democratic monarchy is old-fashioned, expensive and looks like a lot of theatre. But there is hardly anything better.

Re:Kings and Queens (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610950)

I gladly admit that a democratic monarchy is old-fashioned, expensive and looks like a lot of theatre. But there is hardly anything better.

In Hungary the President does have very little power, very similar to your king/queen.

So I guess it doesn't have to be expensive.

Re:Kings and Queens (1)

golden age villain (1607173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610966)

There is, direct democracy with no majority party so that they all have to be reasonable and come to a consensus. This being said I would tend to agree with you, the king/queen does provide some guarantees but it does not seem to work so well in all countries. You can just look over the border for an example of that.

Re:Kings and Queens (5, Informative)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611016)

The President of the United States can not declare war.

The United States Congress declares war.

So...George Bush didn't declare war on Iraq or Afghanistan, the United States Congress voted for the use of force (the new PC way to declare war here).

For Iraq the law is...

The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution (i.e., a law) passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.

For the Afghan War and the Global War on Terror the law is...

The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (Pub.L. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224, enacted September 18, 2001

Re:Kings and Queens (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611056)

The president of the USA can declare a war. Personally.

Untrue. Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution give Congress the power to declare war. Nowhere is the president given this power.

The problem is that Congress is more than happy to allow the president to walk all over them, as long as they're the same party. Congress is not actually allowed to delegate its powers to the president (generally speaking), but there's nothing stopping it from doing whatever the president wants, assuming his party is single-minded and acts as foot-soldiers in his army.

Historically, of course, the president has been able to do whatever the fuck he wants by not calling it "war". Witness the Korean War, for example, which was never declared by Congress. The War Powers Resolution is an attempt to rein the president in, but since Congres is generally a bunch of weak-willed jackasses, it hardly matters what they do. The president does what he wants and Congress falls all over itself to slob his knob.

The issue, really, is not with what the US Constitution says; it's with what happens in reality. The president cannot declare war. But he does, more or less, and who's going to stop him? The people are, by and large, idiots. They are too stupid to think things through. Remember September 11, 2001? The people got scared, cuddling up to Daddy Bush for comfort. When the people are scared, Congress gives them whatever they want, because if Congress shows backbone, they'll get voted out. Therefore the president gets what he wants. Hell, it doesn't even matter if you're not in the same party in some cases. Which Democrats in the Senate voted against the ridiculously stupid Iraq War (2002)? Not the majority, I'll tell you that.

I don't deny that the US has a rather fucked up political system. But the fault lies in democracy, not (I would argue) in the configuration of the country. There's only so much you can do when you have to rely on morons to choose who gets to try to muck things up next. You can try to minimize the damage, but then you risk people realizing that they're losing the ability to choose which idiot comes next.

Re:Kings and Queens (2, Interesting)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611064)

I don't mind fake monarchy as such, or the king himself (I've met him twice, seems like a decent guy who would be better off doing environmental work of some kind). But I really wish we could choose out king (or queen) in an election. Like it was done in the old days, before the 16th century kings decided that they and their children were chosen by god. (it would also be nice/fun if we could cut of their heads if we got bored with them, unfortunately that's not really an option in the 21st century.)

Re:Kings and Queens (2, Insightful)

SakuraDreams (1427009) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611218)

Monarchs help with continuity and political stability. No matter who gets elected there is always some form of continuity - national identity - some form of heritage to remind people who they are or what they stand for - even if many of those things are ascribed to modern non-absolute monarchs and may have previously been outlawed by their predecessors.

Re:What an opportunity (1)

muffen (321442) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610918)

Being Swedish myself I unfortunately do not think this is what would happen.
People may have voted for the pirate party in the EU elections due to "FRA Lagen" and "IPRED", but both those laws passed anyways and where are the pirate party votes now when the general elections are coming up?
In fact, I don't even see this being debated in media anymore.

It's easy to think that things would be different here but if Sweden had a government that didn't hesitate when it came to shooting protesters, I don't think too many people would protest.

... and when it comes to the likelyhood of an oppressive government being in power in Sweden, the 4%-ish votes going to "Sverige Demokraterna" right now clearly shows that there are quite a few people in the country who actually wants an oppressive government (look past their immigration agenda and look what they want to do in other areas, its scary to say the least).

It's easy to complain about others and say you would do a better job yourself but you can only know if this is true or not if you are put in the same situation. There are things worth fighting for, and freedom is the big one for me, but maybe the motivation is slightly less when people around you are being shot.

Re:What an opportunity (0)

golden age villain (1607173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610942)

There is a very simple solution to all these royal issues, it is called guillotine. It should be used once in a while to remind the powers in place to behave.

Re:What an opportunity (1)

EvilIdler (21087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611032)

Your king might be harmless, but I'm not so sure about ours. Keep him under observation while he's there :)

What passes for defamatory in Thailand, anyway? Telling the truth?

Sweden is lame (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611182)

I stole a nickname from there and they haven't bothered to try to get it back.

Re:Sweden is lame (1)

Liinux (1051016) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611548)

I stole a nickname from there and they haven't bothered to try to get it back.

It's biblical, you keep it!

Comic reference (3, Funny)

chill (34294) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610750)

The King is a fink!

Re:Comic reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610978)

best Wizard of Id comic ever!

slashdot is next to be banned (1)

clokwise (844691) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610798)

...thanks to this page. I live in Thailand, and it's not so bad as what you might think. But... I have to use one of those private VPN services in order to get halfway decent speed on my connection because all int'l data is throttled, and bittorrents are almost entirely blocked on some ISPs. My former ISP had a faulty censorship proxy and it would regularly serve up random "blocked" pages on legit sites for no reason. But even with a 8mps ADSL connection, I still find faster internet service when tethering my iphone to 3G (which still isn't officially allowed here), so Thailand still has a long way to go.

Re:slashdot is next to be banned (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611068)

I surf everyday and haven't run into a blocked web page since 2006 when youtube was banned. Also we're with ToT and bit torrent is fine here.

If slashdot gets banned because of this non-news you guys can all go suck a dick.

I can't do what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610866)

Does this mean I can't file my unemployment from Pattiya anymore?

Voluntarily hand over the cash, or I'll shoot you (2, Insightful)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32610908)

Sounds like a mugger walking up to you and asking you to voluntarily hand over your cash, or he'll be forced to shoot you. Just about any time someone is asking you to "voluntarily" do something, it's just a veiled threat.

Re:Voluntarily hand over the cash, or I'll shoot y (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611322)

Where is representative Joe L. Barton (R) when you need him to point out a classic isp "shakedown".

Army dictatorship coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610916)

They just bought Thaicom Plc, the Thai satellite operator. That's important because it was the Satellite channel that was beaming uncensored news into Thailand due to a Singapore ownership. It was the only Thai channel to show that the Army was shooting unarmed civilians. The other channels followed the government line that the army was targeting 'armed terrorist' in the crowd.

The army has also moved into the north. Carrying out manoeuvres and in Isaan and Chiang Mai is under army occupation.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/181378/reds-vs-military-in-mukdahan

The reds MPs are largely banned now, some are in prison. So there will be no free election possible. This is what the Army did in 2006, barred lots of red leaders, and when they still didn't get their choice as the winner of the election, they barred some more.

It's very close to a military dictatorship there.

Typical slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610926)

When military makes a coup, or shoots a general symphatizing with demonstrators, nobody cares. But they censor a few webpages and everyone goes over the top.

Yeah and So what..?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32610938)

Yeah... So what..??!! Please stop middling into the affairs of others..!!

Devil's advocate (0)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611006)

So, you have a country in turmoil. There is a government now. There are many people who strongly disagree, and who recently used violence to change the situation.

What would you do to restore order to be able to come to terms with the opposition? First you must have peace. So, you shut down all the websites and mute all the opposition's voices except for a small number of spokespersons.
Then, and only then, do you do communicate with the opposition. Thousands of websites which urge people to use violence are not helping.

Free internet is very important - but peace in the streets may just be a little more important than free internet. And in the case of Thailand, this was no scaremongering. There were actual riots and more than just 1 person died there.

Mod me -1 for playing the devil's advocate, and I will sue you :-)

Re:Devil's advocate (1)

FozE_Bear (1093167) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611118)

The only problem I have with this logic, (peace is better than freedom), is that once the government controls this access, and peace returns, they will not return these freedoms. It will be a long long time before these restrictions are lifted. I know that Abe Lincoln returned free press to the US after the Civil War was over, but I think that was not the norm. And btw, I am NOT a Red-Shirt sympathizer. even if their collectivist ideals are benevolent, I am VERY anti-communist, but their right to be heard is MY right to be heard, and I will defend it.

Electrical Network Frequency Analysis (ENF) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32611008)

Met lab claims 'biggest breakthrough since Watergate'

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/01/enf_met_police/ [theregister.co.uk]

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not sure most /.ers understand Thai culture (2, Interesting)

herojig (1625143) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611134)

Most Thais view the monarchy as a symbol of national pride, mutual respect, and is part of their overall spiritualism. For example, before any movie begins everyone stands to the national anthem and images of the current King doing good deeds and meeting with the public. It reminds me much of how we used to say the pledge of allegiance in grammar school. Many Asian cultures (past and present) have rules against defamatory content re: the monarchy, with Nepal being one of them up until the current decade. It's really not a big deal to anyone over here...it's more a form of public politeness then anything else. As far as this being some form of political censorship, think again, it's not. The Thais have much more freedom to express their political views then say Americans. Can anyone imagine a protest in America where LAX was shut down for a week and filled with protesters against the Bush regime? How about the takeover of Times Square by the Tea Party People for a few weeks, complete with cots, barbed wire, and slingshots? It would never happen; the protestors would be shot (perhaps) dead and then carted away within a few hours. Hell, try smoking a fag on the beach in LA and u get a ticket! .

It's not so bad... (4, Informative)

mathimus1863 (1120437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611250)

...and I should know since I've traveled there many times and I even speak .

Thailand gets a worse name than it deserves, based on stories like this. It's actually a relatively open society and just about every development index has them at the top of "developing country" (if they could clean up their tap water, they'd probably break the threshold). Speech is only limited when it comes to the King and Buddha, both of which are highly respected, but not really "in power" (influential, but not making and enforcing laws). Of course, that doesn't make their censorship ethical, but it shouldn't be considered to be an oppressive government.

There's an an ounce of justification to the recent violence, but most of it came from the rural poor with nothing to lose, fighting for the one PM who stood up for them. Unfortunately, that politician that tried to help out the poor (Thaksin Siniwatra), accumulated no less than $2.2 billion while in office, and accused of countless corruption charges (convicted on a couple of them in absentia while he living in exile). Many poor refuse to admit he's corrupt, or say "well sure he is, all the politicians are, but at least he helps out the poor that desperately need it." The situation really is a mess, with no clean way to bridge the gap between the poor and the middle+ class. While they have some political instabilities right now, I would still consider it to be the most awesome place on Earth (where else can you go that has virtually no violent crime, you can get 1 hour Thai massage for $4 and the best Pad Thai ever for $0.50?).

I think that the monarchy will be phased out soon anyway, as the King's health is waning and the crown prince is not very well liked, despite the lese mejeste laws. But make no mistake, despite such laws, the king was justifiably considered a "benevolent dictator." He is an engineer, and used his skills to plan and update infrastructure in the country to help out both the rich and the poor. There was actually reason to like him.

Seeya later Thailand (1)

sqldr (838964) | more than 4 years ago | (#32611396)

Hope you enjoyed reading slashdot.. Bhumibol Adulyadej is a cunt. byeee!
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