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Windows Phone 7 Lacks Copy-and-Paste

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the took-the-iphone-a-few-releases dept.

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theodp writes "In a behind-the-scenes look at Windows Phone 7 (photos), CNET's Ina Fried notes that Microsoft's new software has won early praise for breaking ground in some areas, but takes a step backward in others. In particular, it doesn't support features like copy and paste and multitasking that were already part of the old Windows Mobile. 'I think users use cut-copy-paste periodically,' said Microsoft exec Terry Myerson, '(but) there's other things they use more frequently.' Hey, tradeoffs had to be made — it was either copy-and-paste or Goo Splat."

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319 comments

Windows Phone 7 is great (5, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634376)

Rumor has it they're selling hundreds [slashdot.org] of the first Windows Phone 7 handsets, the Kin, each month. It's a runaway hit. With all these new choices they might launch that up into the thousands. Watch out Apple and Android, Microsoft is back in the mobile game and they're ready to rumble.

It is a very fine article - do read it. Apparently the compass doesn't work, but it's required on every device. That's going to make it hard to have a credible mapping application. It retains Windows CE at its core. The project leader's biggest hope is to "survive the launch," not amaze us with their brilliance.

This comment from the article was particularly insightful:

by peterpulmonary June 17, 2010 7:12 AM PDT the only reason to allow this type of exposure is to reduce expectations.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (-1, Offtopic)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634432)

they're selling hundreds ... It's a runaway hit.

Huh?

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (4, Funny)

adolf (21054) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634468)

Here's your woosh:

*woosh*

You're welcome.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (4, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634702)

Here's your woosh:

*woosh*

You're welcome.

It sucks you had to type that in all by yourself given that you could've copied and pasted it from numerous other missed jokes on Slashdot.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (4, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634732)

given that you could've copied and pasted it from numerous other missed jokes

Looks like he was using one of the Win Mobile 7 prototypes...

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634774)

Here's your woosh:

*woosh*

You're welcome.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (1, Troll)

moogied (1175879) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634470)

WHOOSH!

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (0)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634586)

Huh?

What?

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (0)

jaylene_slide (681668) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635148)

Eh?

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634694)

they're selling hundreds ... It's a runaway hit.

Huh?

My sarcasm, let me show you it.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (2, Funny)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634472)

Hey laughed at windows 2.0 too.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (1)

nwoolls (520606) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634494)

The Kin is not Windows Phone 7

What is it then? (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634594)

From the first link:

"Both KIN and Windows Phone 7 share common OS components, software and services. We will seek to align around a single platform for both products as well as consistent hardware specifications."

You can't have it both ways.

Re:What is it then? (5, Informative)

nwoolls (520606) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634710)

They are different platforms. Windows Phone 7 isn't done...the Kin phones are out. Yes, they plan to align the platforms in the future, and sure they use common components, but they are different platforms now, and the Kin phones are not Windows Phone 7.

Read up on it on Wikipedia, Google, or any number of sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Kin [wikipedia.org]

"The Kin is based on Windows CE and is distinct from Microsoft's Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7 platforms."

Re:What is it then? (5, Informative)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634794)

Very good - you found the source of the quote. Now read it. Follow the citation links. It doesn't say what you think it says. Here, I'll give you another snippet:

Microsoft said that the underlying fundamentals of Kin and Windows Phone 7 will be held together by similar core technologies. Both Kin and Windows Phone 7 run the same Silverlight platform. Microsoft has stated that over the long-term, Windows Phone 7 would be merged with Kin.

They are like enough for the similarities to be meaningful. Microsoft is going to be able to use the runaway success of the Kin as a springboard for their Windows Phone 7 launch. The result should be epic.

Re:What is it then? (0, Redundant)

nwoolls (520606) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634978)

The Kin is not Windows Phone 7.

Just because they use a similar core and have a plan to unite the platforms does NOT mean the Kin phones available today are Windows Phone 7.

My original statement was the Kin's are not Windows Phone 7. You are not going to find a quote that contradicts that. Sure that they are "based on the same core" or that they "have plans" to do X.

Again, Windows Phone 7 is still in development. To claim that the Kin phones, available today, are Windows Phone 7 is just silly...

It wasn't me (2, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635202)

It was Microsoft's marketing department that made this link, not me. If it doesn't leverage the comarketing efforts in the way they desired that's not my fault. It's theirs.

It's too late to undo it. They are linked.

Re:What is it then? (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634712)

From the first link:

"Both KIN and Windows Phone 7 share common OS components, software and services. We will seek to align around a single platform for both products as well as consistent hardware specifications."

You can't have it both ways.

Why can't you? Is it a false dichotomy?

Re:What is it then? (1)

mmcxii (1707574) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634722)

So OSX and Linux are the same OS? After all, we can't have it both ways.

Re:What is it then? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635076)

Who the hell calls OS X and Linux the same OS?

Re:What is it then? (4, Insightful)

mmcxii (1707574) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635210)

The same kind of people who consider WinMo7 and the Kin as having the same OS. At least they should according to the logic of symbolset.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634496)

My favorite part is that they're desperately trying to recruit games developers, while not allowing those developers to use native code. No, instead they're forcing developers to rewrite their games from scratch with C# and XNA, a platform so successful, there have been literally hundreds of indie games released for the Xbox 360. I could either write my game with C/C++ and OpenGL ES and with minimal tweakage, release on the iPhone, iPad, and Android, the most popular and fastest growing mobile platforms capable of running real games. Or I can develop a game that will run only on a platform that has not yet been released and will almost certainly sell poorly. Hm. Tough choice.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (-1, Troll)

gig (78408) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635038)

How are you going to release a C/C++ app on Android? The native API is closed. You have to rewrite in Java, which is why Ansroid is missing so many categories of software and why the overwhelming majority of Apple developers are Apple-only.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (5, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635154)

The native API is closed. You have to rewrite in Java,

This is false. See here. [android.com]

which is why Ansroid is missing so many categories of software and why the overwhelming majority of Apple developers are Apple-only.

Also false. iPhone has more applications because it has been out longer and there are more people with iPhones who buy apps thus providing the incentive and momentum for more applications to get written. As Android continues to mature and grow, this may change.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (3, Insightful)

gig (78408) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635224)

You still have to write Java apps. You're still running in a virtual machine. On iOS, 3rd party developers are running a full desktop class C toolkit, the same one Apple uses to create their apps and iOS itself.

> iPhone has more applications because it has been out longer

That is total BS and it's time for Android users to stop playing the "we're too new to be successful" card. iPhone did not have native apps until version 2, which shipped at the same time as Android, in mid-2008. The 3rd party app platforms on iPhone and Android are almost exactly the same age. Android lacks apps because of inherent problems with Android, not because it's too new. It's not just the number of apps, but the whole categories of apps that Android lacks.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (2, Informative)

andymadigan (792996) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635292)

There are whole categories of apps that the iPhone lacks too, like locale or foxyring-types, plus Google Voice, which I use for SMS and Voicemail. Honestly, I had the G1 and now I have a Droid, I haven't seen any of my friends with iPhones that have apps that don't exist on Android, what am I missing?

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (2, Informative)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634554)

Retaining a WinCE core doesn't mean that much, considering how much they've upgraded that kernel for WinPhone7. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing particularly good to say about either WinCE (as seen in WinMo phones) or WinPhone7, but I'm not going to go hunting for extra reasons to bash it either. A lot of the old restrictions that made WinCE suck are gone now, like the incredibly low per-process memory space, and it seems to do fairly well running devices like the ZuneHD (I don't have one, but I've played with a few and they appear to be quite solid devices with no obvious OS flaws; pity about the rendering engine, though).

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634880)

Spoken like a true Microsoft apologist. Compare a slightly better version to the original fucked up and broken version (all by the same wonderful vendor) and call it progress as if nothing else existed.

Heaven forbid you compare it to the competition head on.

How Much Cocaine? (0, Offtopic)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634580)

I wonder how much cocaine is consumed on the Microsoft Campus everyday?

Re:How Much Cocaine? (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634762)

Not much.

The whole industry took a creative nosedive since it switched to Oxycontin in the mid '90's.

Of course it's missing copy and paste (2, Insightful)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634638)

They started copying iPhone OS before Apple added that feature.

This is overblown anyway. I've use C/P maybe 3 times since they added the feature. I suspect I'll use it a lot more on the iPad.

Re:Of course it's missing copy and paste (3, Informative)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635064)

I use copy and paste all the time on my Samsung Omnia running Windows Mobile 6.1

Re:Of course it's missing copy and paste (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635188)

As do I on my mogul, copy from browser window to notes, address from browser to google maps...

Why are they taking copy/paste OUT anyway? it's not like there is huge overhead involved, or a security risk either.
It's one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard from microsoft, and I go all the way back to dos 1.0

The phones are FINALLY getting more powerful and more capable of doing the job I want them for, a general purpose computer in my pocket that can make phone calls. WHY the hell are they now REMOVING features?
It's Idiocy tell you, just pure idiocy.

And doing it because the iphone does? If Steve Jobs jumped off the golden gate bridge would the windows 7 development team do the same thing? (Oooo, wait, that's a win win...)

Re:Of course it's missing copy and paste (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635270)

I use copy and paste all the time on my Samsung Omnia running Windows Mobile 6.1

I used it all the time on my Treo a couple of years ago. Then I couldn't when I got an iPhone. Then eventually the OS was upgraded and I could... but yeah I still don't use it much. I use the iPhone a lot more than I did the Treo so I'm not really sure why it doesn't matter so much anymore. I don't know if it's because I adapted to not needing it or if it's because the 'workflow' of it is just different and not all that necessary. I do distinctly remember spending half my time on the Treo getting around the fact that it had a terrible web browser and finding apps for it without the aid of a computer involved a lot of research and trickery. Both those problems are gone now so maybe I just used the C&P a lot in those scenarios. It's not something I've really measured, just a mild curiosity now. It never really occured to me before that a change in how a computing device works could mean lowered reliance on the clipboard. On my desktop/laptop computer usage, my use of the clipboard has gone UP in recent years!

Heh, on a side note, it is amusing when I accidently hit 'paste' and I see something on the clipboard from like 6 months ago. I'm starting to think we need a statute of limitations on the clipboard. IRC users already understand this. :D

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634776)

It retains Windows CE at its core. The project leader's biggest hope is to "survive the launch,"

Has anyone put out a contract on him yet?

Re:Windows Phone 7 is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635090)

So, they are coming out with a phone that has 2 main differentiating factors.

1, it uses an OS that is based on the same one as their failed mp3 player. A failure, I might add, that enjoyed immense "grass roots" hype for months on end preceding its launch and now languishes at number 14 [amazon.com] on the Amazon mp3 player bestseller list behind even the Sansa Clip. An OS that is also similar to the Kin phones that have not exactly lit the "feature phone without the features" category on fire and isn't looking likely to change soon.

2, The other differentiating characteristic of the Windows Phone 7 phones is that they lack even basic features that even the iPhone has had (cut and paste) or will have very shortly (multi-tasking). And they expect this thing to actually do anything in the marketplace?

Are there really that many XBox live afficionados out there that are dying to get the experience on their phones?

Oh, and before I forget, I remember having to scroll around on the display back in the eighties when the resolution was set at 1024x768 and the monitor only supported 800x600. It sucked then and it will suck now on this phone.

iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (4, Insightful)

d_jedi (773213) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634392)

Just sayin'..

Honestly, I don't understand why such a simple, useful feature could be missed by both companies..

True, and they caught shit for it (5, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634412)

However the real thing is that the old Windows mobile DID have these features. Apple I suppose has the excuse of "We couldn't figure it out because it was our first time making a mobile OS and all our smart people were too busy rolling around in piles of money," or something. However MS has a mobile OS out, right now, that can copy and paste and multitask.

So what the fuck? Do they think Apple succeeded because of those stupid restrictions? I'd guess they succeeded in spite of them, not because of them.

Doesn't matter, I'll happily stick with my Blackberry until my contract is up and then it is probably going to be another BB or an Android phone. I'll have to see, but if MS and Apple have the "You don't want to use your phone as a tool idea," well then my money will keep going to RIM, or maybe Google.

Re:True, and they caught shit for it (4, Interesting)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634488)

Windows Mobile and Windows Phone are completely different at the UI level. I mean, literally, as far as I can tell they may have thrown away everything above the WinCE kernel and core level. I'm not saying that excuses the lack of useful and important features, but it does explain why they might not have had time to implement them (because they were working on other stuff, and would have had to re-implement them from scratch) and makes the "But WinMo6 did it!" argument rather irrelevant.

I would say that somebody there seems a little too caught up in replicating even the mistakes of Apple's launch. As you point out, Apple did catch shit for those mistakes - it might not have cost the device its success, but it did cost them plenty of customers - and while they eventually added Copy/Paste, I'm still not buying any device which is effectively a handheld computer, but which lacks the ability to run more than one interactive application simultaneously.

I suppose that means I probably won't be buying a WinPhone7 device, either. In a way, this is disappointing - I was hoping to have more choice when the time came to upgrade my phone, choice is always good and I have no inherent objection to buying Microsoft products as long as they don't suck - but lacking such features pretty much means it sucks, regardless of what else it has, and that means I won't be buying one.

Re:True, and they caught shit for it (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635070)

I'm still not buying any device which is effectively a handheld computer, but which lacks the ability to run more than one interactive application simultaneously.

So you seem to have very specific implementation-level requirement for the tools you use to do your work. Do you also require the software to use specific sorting algorithms and screen pixel representations? Wouldn't it be more effective to measure tools by task effectiveness?

Re:True, and they caught shit for it (1)

NotBorg (829820) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635082)

I have no inherent objection to buying Microsoft products as long as they don't suck

Well... that really narrows it down. You're talking about the keyboard they sell right?

Re:True, and they caught shit for it (1)

JackAxe (689361) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634666)

Apple's Newton had copy and paste back in the nineties, so they have no excuse IMO.

Re:True, and they caught shit for it (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634680)

After using the new iPad, I know why the 1st gen iPhones lacked copy and paste. It's freaking annoying. I can't figure out how to scroll down a web page without accidentally selecting a bunch of text for copy and paste, and then once it is accidentally selected how the hell do I un-select it? It's horrendous, and unlike the rest of the iPhone OS, it is completely unintuitive. Is there a way to turn the feature off?

Re:True, and they caught shit for it (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634858)

Either this is a really pathetic attempt at a troll, or you should just turn in your geek card. In order to enter the copy/paste mode, you have to double click a piece of text, or hold your finger in a spot (without moving it) for about a second. I find it very hard to believe you would enter this mode while scrolling unless your epileptic or unless you are scrolling web pages with your elbow. Try gentle swipes when moving a web page. This isn't a Storm phone. You don't need to hold down waiting for some response from the touch interface.

As to how to exit the mode, did you try clicking once anywhere on the page except for the 'COPY' popup button? You can also click once within the selected text, and it will turn it off as well. Once you enter the copy/paste mode, the only UI handles that matter are the edge selectors and the COPY button. Clicking once anywhere on the page that is not on one of those handles exits the mode. Anyone without about 5 seconds of experimenting could have figured this out. Yes Einstein, it's just that easy. I can see why you posted AC.

Re:True, and they caught shit for it (4, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635298)

Either this is a really pathetic attempt at a troll, or you should just turn in your geek card.

What's weird about that is if he had replaced iPhone with "Palm Treo" he would have nicely described what using that phone was like.

Re:True, and they caught shit for it (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634854)

I'll happily stick with my Blackberry until my contract is up and then it is probably going to be another BB or an Android phone.

Exactly, MS is going to be competing for those customers who want an enterprise phone or a more open marketplace. That is blackberry and Android. If MS does not provide a superior smart phone experience, stating with the features already expected by users, they will not compete. Most people no longer buy something just because it has the MS logo on it. They will buy crap from Apple and Google instead.

MS seems to understand this when they made the Kin feature phone. Provide functionality to the end user, and have some success. Hell, if I was 20 and trying to get laid and party every night, I might by a Kin. The problem is, as mention, that Windows 7 is still trying to market to the corporate world, which uses blackberry, and there does not seem to be any reason to change.

Re:iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (1, Insightful)

awol (98751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634446)

My cynical side says that it's because neither want you to be able to "extract" content from the things you use your phone for and rather than design the feature thoroughly to encompass uncopyable elements they just went for the zero case.

To be fair, man problems in software come down to the zero, one or many case in terms of design and in the case of copy and paste, I can imagine that the full implementation of what they want copy to be is very complicated. Simpler just to make it always impossible to copy rather than to decide when it is right and wrong.

It's this kind of thing that just shits me about digital restricitons.

Re:iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635028)

They think they have envisaged all the possible cross-application sharings of information already. So you can just click on an address in a text message and the maps program will start automatically - things like that.

The problem is they have NOT envisaged everything. They cannot. Take an example: I want to copy and paste an entire text message converssation with a friend into an email to send to her for review. Trivial on Windows Mobile 6 devices.. I suspect impossible on any phone lacking copy & paste.

Re:iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (5, Insightful)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634450)

Yes, and Windows (and other non-Apple) fanbois eviscerated (verbally at least) Apple for not including it. Some of the same people (Paul Thurrott, I'm looking at you) are making all sorts of excuses for Microsoft not including it now.

Personally, I didn't really care much about cut and paste when I got my ipod touch; now that I have it, I like it. So for me, this is a big "whatever". But if you lambasted Apple for not having it but you want to excuse MS for not having it, you have some introspection to do.

Of course, I'm using "you" in the general sense; I am not accusing you personally, parent poster, of having done so.

Re:iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (3, Funny)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634742)

FTA:

"We've got a good product," he said. " I actually do believe that. I think we are going to actually have a lot of happy customers."

It's doomed.

Re:iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (1)

arose (644256) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634878)

are making all sorts of excuses for Microsoft not including it now.

It was stupid then and it's stupid now. I haven't seen many excuses yet.

I'll say the same thing I said before... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634966)

> But if you lambasted Apple for not having it but you want to excuse MS for not having it, you have some introspection to do.

I'm one of the people who has been giving Apple a hard time (mostly for their lame excuses about why X is unnecessary/pointless ... until they finally add it, when it becomes the most wonderful innovation ever!). I'd just like to say that this new Windows phone SUCKS ASS. Copy/paste is really basic functionality for any computer-like device. Not having it sucks.

I expect this product to become the next Zune.

Re:iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (2, Funny)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634492)

I don't understand why such a simple, useful feature could be missed by both companies..

Microsoft didn't "miss" anything. Being unable to innovate in any respect on it's own, it is trying to copy the the iPhone model as closely as it can--including leaving out copy-and-paste on it's first generation OS.

Re:iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634994)

Ironic, given that cutting and pasting other companies innovative ideas is how both companies have done so well. Looks like Google is the company to give them both a bit of a kicking, though. (And I don't just mean that you can cut and paste using an Android phone).

Anyway, does anyone really care what Windows 7 mobile does? It's dead in the water, like the other non-iPhone/Android phones, surely? Who'd want to develop for that, especially since the bizarre decision to adopt Apple-like restrictions on development environments?

Re:iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635174)

and now they do... and those silly apple users can actually say they have a feature that winmo doesnt.

Re:iPhone didn't have cut-and-paste either.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635274)

I've had a smart phone for years, work in IT and have never ever needed to use copy and paste! I don't know why people worry about it so much???? It really is one of those, who gives a rats arse about it, features!!!!

Windows button (5, Funny)

Beardydog (716221) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634428)

I know the iPhone has an enormous Apple logo on the back, but:
1) It's not and enormous Apple logo on the front
2) Some people think Apple is cool

The Windows logo instantly makes me feel like I'm at work. Seeing it on the front of my phone everytime I pick it up would sap a tiny percentage of the joy from my day everytime I picked the thing up. And why? For branding? They can't just put a stylized picture of a house, or a rounded square ( I've never heard of anyone being confused by the non-specific design on the iPhone's ONLY BUTTON )... a circle... a triangle... Maybe no icon at all!
I want my technology to look like it was sent from an alient future, or dug up from an alien past... with mystic runes and shit.
After Mickey Mouse, the Windows logo is the least mystical goddamn rune on earth.

Re:Windows button (-1, Troll)

afabbro (33948) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634454)

The Windows logo instantly makes me feel like I'm at work. Seeing it on the front of my phone everytime I pick it up would sap a tiny percentage of the joy from my day everytime I picked the thing up. And why? For branding? They can't just put a stylized picture of a house, or a rounded square ( I've never heard of anyone being confused by the non-specific design on the iPhone's ONLY BUTTON )... a circle... a triangle... Maybe no icon at all! I want my technology to look like it was sent from an alient future, or dug up from an alien past... with mystic runes and shit. After Mickey Mouse, the Windows logo is the least mystical goddamn rune on earth.

Your inner monologue is so interesting to the rest of us.

Re:Windows button (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634562)

If I disagree with a post, I moderate it down.

You are in big trouble next time I have mod points.

Re:Windows button (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634566)

The Windows logo instantly makes me feel like I'm at work. Seeing it on the front of my phone everytime I pick it up would sap a tiny percentage of the joy from my day everytime I picked the thing up. And why? For branding? They can't just put a stylized picture of a house, or a rounded square ( I've never heard of anyone being confused by the non-specific design on the iPhone's ONLY BUTTON )... a circle... a triangle... Maybe no icon at all! I want my technology to look like it was sent from an alient future, or dug up from an alien past... with mystic runes and shit. After Mickey Mouse, the Windows logo is the least mystical goddamn rune on earth.

Your inner monologue is so interesting to the rest of us.

Thanks for quoting it!

Re:Windows button (-1, Offtopic)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634610)

Your inner monologue is so interesting to the rest of us.

Ooooooh, shen you'll like mine! I'm piiss drunk form the Fadder's day picnic!

I gotta pee! I feel wooogy. Cousin Sofia was look'in Reeeeaaaaaal goood! She's my first cousin so I can think that about her. Or is the second -ah fuck it -no! fuck her! Yeah! I'll just use a ruber!

Anywho, what was I just thinking...

Oh yeah, my ass! God it's ichty. I was having a farting contest with my borther and I think I squeezed out a little one adn it dried causing this itchingness.

Aunt Sofie's kind a hot like Harry Potter's aunt. Oh she's hot. If I were Harry I'd be nailing aunt....what the fuck was her name....great rack!

Nailing Ron's sister - hey fire bush! - let's make some magic.

Hey! Do they teach penis enlargement spells at Hogwarts?! Enlargamus biganus! No! Shit that enlarges the asshole! Dammit! Enlargamus peanutumus! Shit Got a large bag of peanuts!

Gotta sleep.....

Re:Windows button (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634550)

I know the iPhone has an enormous Apple logo on the back, but:
1) It's not and enormous Apple logo on the front
2) Some people think Apple is cool

The Windows logo instantly makes me feel like I'm at work. Seeing it on the front of my phone everytime I pick it up would sap a tiny percentage of the joy from my day everytime I picked the thing up. And why? For branding? [...]

How do you feel about that Apple logo (or two) on your keyboard? How about the upper left corner of your screen?

[...] I've never heard of anyone being confused by the non-specific design on the iPhone's ONLY BUTTON [...]

I've never heard of anyone complaining about a logo design on a button, either. Until now, at least.

Re:Windows button (1)

Svippy (876087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634614)

How do you feel about that Apple logo (or two) on your keyboard? How about the upper left corner of your screen?

There is no Apple logo on the keyboards any more. But since there is only one button on the iPhone or this Windows Phone thingie, he wonders why they made that decision. On a keyboard or in the upper left corner of your screen, it is supposed to make it out among many buttons. There it makes sense. Or are you just trolling?

Re:Windows button (2, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634684)

How do you feel about that Apple logo (or two) on your keyboard? How about the upper left corner of your screen?

Mac keyboards don't have Apple keys anymore. And the one on the screen is the icon you click on, just like the Windows button. The physical button on Windows phones doesn't benefit by having a Windows icon in the way the button on Windows 7 does. Think about how tacky it would be were the home button to have an Apple logo on it.

Re:Windows button (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635204)

I want my technology to look like it was sent from an alient future, or dug up from an alien past... with mystic runes and shit.

Awesome! you could put that in your sig. I don't care if it isn't even on /. It's just that insightful.

Brave but Pointless (3, Interesting)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634430)

I'm not sure where MS thinks they're heading with Windows Phone 7. Their only advantage with WM6 was that it was actually an open platform ... you could install applications from any source. From a usability point of view, it sucks, and I say that as a current user. It is not really intended to be used without a stylus, it's slow, and it's generally not very intuitive. It seems that they're dropping their only feature, adopting the early failures of Apple (cut & paste), and heading towards what most people dislike about the iPhone (single marketplace).

Maybe their doing what Linus Torvalds did with Git, in reversing every decision that CVS made, but I don't think it's going to end well for them. Between iPhone and Android, they're beat in almost every feature.

Re:Brave but Pointless (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634622)

I'm not sure where MS thinks they're heading with Windows Phone 7.

        Targeting the Zune market?

Re:Brave but Pointless (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635054)

What all 7 of them?

Re:Brave but Pointless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635144)

Zune what?

Re:Brave but Pointless (4, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634844)

and heading towards what most people dislike about the iPhone (single marketplace)

I don't think "most people dislike" this, Nerdfest. I realize it's a fairly common sentiment here on Slashdot, but most people have different priorities.

Maybe their doing what Linus Torvalds did with Git, in reversing every decision that CVS made

The thing is, Microsoft just isn't that talented. I don't mean they don't have talented employees, but that the way the company works, talent just doesn't enter into it. What they do, what they've always done, is copy what others have done, and unlike Apple who, when they copy they make things better (that's what "good artists copy, great artists steal" means), MS copies poorly. The first few iterations are atrocious. But eventually they copy things so thoroughly that, what the hell, it's good enough, right?

Technologically, MS has always been behind the curve. Macs, Amigas, OS/2. All made Windows (and DOS!) look pathetic. But price and hardware support, along with some horrible, but effective, business tactics won out.

And it looks like MS is trying the same here, but without the ability to engage in the same old business tactics, and without the sort of market where price and hardware support is as important as it was during the PC era. So, like you said, I just don't see how this will work out well for them. They can't out-class iPhone, or out-geek Android, and they can't tie their monopoly to it.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. MS has a way of sticking around with technically inferior offerings. It's like a gambler with enough money to keep doubling down. You don't have to win right away, you just have to win somewhere along the line. MS doesn't have the burden of caring about whether their products are good, they just want them to sell, and they have the money and the will to stick around until they do. They'll keep "reinventing" their products (WinCE to Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7, with Zune and Kin thrown in for good measure) until something sticks.

Re:Brave but Pointless (1)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635096)

It seems that they're dropping their only feature, adopting the early failures of Apple (cut & paste), and heading towards what most people dislike about the iPhone (single marketplace).

Perhaps they are not making enough profit for their liking from following the open route, and would like to try nickel-and-dime a new revenue stream out of phone users and the developers.

Pirates! (5, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634434)

Copy & paste is a tool of pirates and plagiarists. There is no legitimate use for Copy & paste.

Re:Pirates! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634584)

Finally, freedom from a clipboard!

Re:Pirates! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634868)

And Clippy!!!

Re:Pirates! (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634892)

Finally, freedom from a clipboard!

Viva la raza!

Oh, wait ... is using a clipboard like yanking into a named buffer?

tortoise and the hare (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634442)

They lost the race

They need to get the DRM working (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634478)

...and provision the authentication servers before they can insure that only non-copyrighted phrases can be copied/pasted.

Swing and a miss (1, Insightful)

anarking (34854) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634500)

Just as windows mobile was catching up being coupled with Sense UI and the like, they go and join the worthless herd of App-based feature-less mobile OS'es. The thing is, as far as mobile OS'es go, windows mobile has been ahead, being an open platform and close to an actual OS. And there is a marketplace for apps on the phones anyways. 7 becomes worthless, and 6.5 will go on and on being used and modded by power users for years to come because it's the last of the useful mobile OS'es. Long live task manager. :P

Re:Swing and a miss (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634792)

I don't see what Windows Mobile can do that Android can't, and Android generally makes it a lot easier to do on the phone form factor.

I'd like to say the same for Apple, but they're so closed I can't, in good conscience.

Furthermore, I don't think you understand the purpose of an operating system, particularly given this comment:

...and close to an actual OS.

Re:Swing and a miss (4, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634946)

Just as windows mobile was catching up being coupled with Sense UI and the like, they go and join the worthless herd of App-based feature-less mobile OS'es.

"Worthless herd"? iPhone and, to a lesser extent, Android, are where it's at. The old-style Windows Mobile is about as appealing today as a tape-playing Walkman.

The thing is, as far as mobile OS'es go, windows mobile has been ahead, being an open platform and close to an actual OS.

"Ahead"? Ahead of Palm, technologically, and ahead of Apple and Google in terms of timeline where they entered the market. But that's pretty much it. As for being "close to an actual OS", iOS is OS X. Android is Linux with (essentially) a custom windowing system. Windows Mobile is much further from Windows than either iOS or Android are to their respective desktop counterparts.

7 becomes worthless

I agree. It can't outclass iPhone or out-geek Android. In a word, worthless.

and 6.5 will go on and on being used and modded by power users for years to come

I didn't realize "power users" meant "a dwindling niche of users stuck in the past". I'll remember that for the next Amiga or Newton story on Slashdot. They abound with "power users" extraordinaire!

because it's the last of the useful mobile OS'es. Long live task manager. :P

POWER USER!!!!

Re:Swing and a miss (4, Informative)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634948)

Your post makes no sense. Both Symbian and Android are as open (or more open) than WinMo =6.5 is. And they both also have bigger market share.

Not surprising (4, Insightful)

diegocg (1680514) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634510)

Phone 7 is in many ways a new mobile operative system, it doesn't even run software from old windows mobile versions (and you can't port your old C++ programs because native code programs are forbidden/restricted to big partners). So it's not surprising to find big differences with windows mobile. Wikipedia says it doesn't even support a socket API.

Old news (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634588)

I think I heard this a couple months ago. No Flash, either. [tgdaily.com]

I'm confused. (1)

Zencyde (850968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634604)

Wait, I'm confused. Is this an iPhone? Wait, is it really 2010? This thing isn't getting copy and paste? Man, what a STUPID decision.

Re:I'm confused. (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634668)

Wait, I'm confused. Is this an iPhone? Wait, is it really 2010? This thing isn't getting copy and paste? Man, what a STUPID decision.

This is the icing on the cake for you? How about that is is as closed as the iPhone, you can't even run native code on it (unless you are a "partner")?

Sorry, can't boot (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634630)

"We had to choose between booting the device, or shutting it down. We decided to implement the shutting down functionality; though we realize some users use the booting of their device periodically"

All in all; sometimes you can't choose between functionality and simply need to implement all essential features.

-- Fr

wait a minute (0)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634636)

I thought all Apple people decided that copy-paste was unnecessary.

Re:wait a minute (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634812)

Well they did, until Apple decided to put it in (from the complete lack of a user outcry since the iPhone's inception, I'm sure - this is another brilliant concept from the mind of the great Steve Jobs).

Now it's the greatest thing ever, and no "modern" phone lacks it.

Re:wait a minute (5, Interesting)

painandgreed (692585) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635208)

Well they did, until Apple decided to put it in (from the complete lack of a user outcry since the iPhone's inception, I'm sure - this is another brilliant concept from the mind of the great Steve Jobs).

If you are serious, I think you are failing to see Apple's sales strategy. They were always going to have cut-and-paste, just like they were always going to have MMS. Sure, the initial version didn't have them, but that is because Apple starts with a small core functionality and makes it work. They don't worry about bullet points as much as they do a working and easy to use end device. One they have it, then they will put out a new version (in the iPhone's case both for hardware and software). The new versions will have those bullet point features added once they have been made to work as well as the core functionality. Not only does this give a solid and useable device which appeals to the general consumer, but also give them feature creep and a reason for people with perfectly working earlier versions to want to buy new models. When the first iPhone came out I knew it would have cut-and-paste as well as MMS if I waited, and it did. Look at the iPod, they did the same thing there. Once the iPod got photos, games, and notes. I knew that it would eventually replace my PDA* in functionality if I waited long enough.

*As it happened, the cell phone replaced if first, but I was still lacking features will lately. The iPod touch would have done that perfectly however if I hadn't have gotten a cell first.

Can't copy and paste? (1)

gringofrijolero (1489395) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634656)

I wonder who filed the DMCA takedown on that..

Why is it called "7" again??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634704)

I understand this thing is new and that it will lack features, but then why the heck do they want to link it to their other operating systems...

I have a startling suggestion for Microsoft... Call it: Windows Phone 1

Well, how typical! (1)

epp_b (944299) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634778)

There goes Microsoft copying Apple again!

won't do adobe either (1)

RodRooter (1835462) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634834)

Bet it wont work with flash either. At least Microsoft is getting back to core values again.

Corporate mandate #1: Steal steal steal steal grab grab swipe swipey swipe swipe yoink yoinkity yoink yoink steal.

Copy Apple's product/business model, paste failure (1)

mattytee (1395955) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634934)

Copy "iPod", paste "Zune"
Copy "Apple Store", paste "Microsoft Store"
Copy "iPhone", paste "Windows Mobile 7"


I'm seeing a pattern here...

Windows Phone 7... (0, Troll)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634942)

...or Microsoft iPhone OS2.0 clone as I like to call it.

Honestly, are they following the same development roadmap as Apple did?

Give it two or three years and it might be useful.

Re:Windows Phone 7... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635168)

The difference being that Apple is forging ahead while MS is copying what they did years ago. Taking a look at the Zune, the 2nd generation Zune was a better player than the iPod Classic. The problem was that it wasn't better than the iPod Touch which was released 2 months before the 2nd gen Zune. By the time MS caught up with the Zune HD, Apple had a major head start with their App store. All things being equal, the App store has thousands of applications for potential iPod Touch buyers while the MS can only offer a handful of apps to a Zune HD owner.

patent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634956)

Is this a 'Method of Implementing Copy and Paste on a Mobile Cellphone' patent or something? What's going on?

The transistion is complete (1)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635102)

They lost their market share, their mobile customers, and now their developers. At least they have been thorough. BTW, did anyone mention that their new version of Windows Mobile runs the old version of Internet Explorer (IE7)? It will soon be the older version as IE9 will release at about the same time.

Dead by 2PM? (1)

Wingsy (761354) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635192)

Did you read the part where the current prototypes have a dead battery by 2PM?

Uh-oh
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